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The Claude Workflow Nobody at the VP Level Is Showing You

Matt Wensing is VP of Product and Design at Customer.io, a company that crossed $100M ARR. In this episode, he pulls back the curtain completely. Real documents, Slack threads and Claude sessions. He built a full company all hands presentation in one morning, runs metrics retrospectives with his peer C-suite using Claude as a thinking partner, and has built an always on AI layer inside Slack that keeps him close to the ground while he is deep in 200-iteration sessions. Full Writeup: https://www.news.aakashg.com/p/how-to-use-claude-vp-guide Transcript: https://www.aakashg.com/how-a-vp-of-product-uses-claude-without-producing-slop/ Customer.io: http://customer.io/productgrowth -- Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:57 - Why most AI content misses the leadership tier 03:15 - Matt introduces what viewers will learn today 04:06 - The all-hands presentation story begins 06:19 - Take inventory before you open Claude 07:27 - How to use Zoom transcripts as raw material 9:44 - Ads 12:14 - Matrix multiplication, pivoting content into strategic shape 13:50 - Build slides first, then talk track 15:08 - The eager junior problem and how Claude races ahead 19:02 - The biology metaphor session begins 23:21 - The game night rule for layering complexity 26:08 - Revealing the domain only when the model is clean 36:26 - How to decompose problems before building anything 38:17 - Why AI alignment decks backfire on executives 40:56 - Matt's full weekly AI stack 45:06 - Chiefys and how Customer.io audits strategy docs -- Thanks to our sponsors: LogRocket - Find the bugs killing your conversion before your users do - https://logrocket.com/ I ran a head-to-head eval to see if that's true, verify here - https://www.news.aakashg.com/p/logrocket-review Key Takeaways: 1. Take inventory before you open Claude - Before building anything, list every piece of raw material you already have. Zoom recordings, strategy docs, past presentations. The quality of what you feed Claude determines the quality of what comes out. 2. Pivot content, do not write from scratch - Claude's best use case is transformation, not creation. Give it two inputs and ask it to reorganize one into the shape of the other. Matt calls this matrix multiplication. 3. Build slides first - Build the visual story first. Screenshot the finished slides and feed them back into the same Claude session. Ask it to write a talk track that adds depth using all the context it already has, not one that just repeats the slide. 4. Kill eager suggestions immediately - The moment Claude asks if you want it to generate the next thing, say stop. You control the pace. A 200-iteration session with a great deliverable beats saying yes to the first draft every time. 5. Start sessions in the abstract - If you reveal the domain too early, Claude pattern matches to the nearest template. Keep it abstract. Build a clean mental model first. Reveal the domain only when the framework holds up on its own. 6. Layer complexity in slowly - Start with the simplest version of the framework. Let Claude stabilize on the basics before you add exceptions. Dumping everything in at once produces a lost in the woods experience for both of you. 7. AI alignment decks always backfire - When you one-shot an alignment deck, you flatten the problem. Senior executives have spent months living with the real complexity. They feel the thinness immediately, even when they cannot say why. 8. Decompose the problem before building anything - Challenge yourself to explode a nasty problem into all its pieces before you touch Claude. Put those observations into the context window first. Then assemble the solution. 9. The Slack scanner keeps leaders close to the ground - Customer.io built an AI scanner that monitors dozens of Slack channels and surfaces threads where a product person should be involved. It runs continuously without overwhelming. 10. Chiefys audits your strategy docs automatically - Chiefys is a Slack bot that holds Customer.io's ratified company documents and checks new work against all of them. It flags contradictions and stale documents so nothing goes invisible after you ship something new. -- Where to find Matt Wensing: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wensing/ X: https://x.com/mattwensing 1:1 Video Consultation: https://intro.co/MattWensing Where to find Aakash: X/Twitter: https://x.com/aakashgupta LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aagupta/ Newsletter: https://www.news.aakashg.com #productmanagement #claude #aitools -- About Product Growth: The world's largest podcast focused solely on product + growth, with over 200K+ listeners. Subscribe and turn on notifications.

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CHAPTERS

  1. AI for VP-level work: problem decomposition beats prompt craft

    Matt frames leadership-level AI as a test of how well you decompose messy problems before asking a model to solve them. If you don’t break the space into parts, the model will flatten nuance and produce confident but low-signal output.

  2. Why most AI content fails executives: it targets IC tasks, not leadership deliverables

    Aakash explains the gap between common AI-for-PMs advice (PRDs, feature analysis) and the artifacts leaders actually need (all-hands roadmaps, metrics retros, strategy narratives). The episode promises real examples from a VP using Claude for company- and board-facing work.

  3. Case study setup: building a Q2 roadmap all-hands segment in two hours

    Matt recounts waking up early to build his portion of an all-hands presentation under time pressure. The goal: communicate the roadmap to a mixed audience (GTM, marketing, sales, engineering) who weren’t in the weeds.

  4. Start with an inventory of raw materials (before opening Claude)

    Instead of immediately drafting slides, Matt first catalogs what inputs exist and which are trustworthy. He treats Claude as a transformer of materials, not a source of strategy or narrative truth.

  5. Using Zoom transcripts to source screenshots and concrete evidence fast

    Matt pulls a Zoom demo-day recording and transcript as the core raw asset, then uses Claude to extract timestamps so he can grab the right screenshots without rewatching long videos. This turns internal engineering updates into reusable evidence for broader company storytelling.

  6. Pivoting engineering updates into strategy themes (“matrix multiplication”)

    Matt combines two sources—a strategy doc with annual themes and the demo-day transcript—and asks Claude to reorganize the transcript content into the strategic categories. He describes this as a pivot/transform operation that makes the material usable for exec communication.

  7. Slides first, talk track last: the order that improves executive storytelling

    Matt builds the visual narrative first, then feeds screenshots of finished slides back into the same Claude session to generate a talk track that adds context rather than repeating the slide text. The sequencing helps maintain clarity and avoids generic narration.

  8. Managing the ‘eager junior’ model: stop it from racing to deliverables

    Matt explains a recurring failure mode: Claude behaves like an eager junior—jumping ahead to produce a full document (often in the wrong format) without asking clarifying questions. His fix is strict pacing, incremental context, and explicit commands to stop recommending next steps.

  9. Slow-cooking clarity with abstraction: the biology metaphor method

    To prevent premature solutioning, Matt starts with an abstract analogy (ecosystem/lifecycle) and withholds the business domain. This keeps the model ‘clean,’ triggers clarifying questions, and helps build a reusable mental model before mapping it onto Customer.io realities.

  10. Layering complexity like game-night rules: foundations first, exceptions later

    Matt compares good prompting to teaching a board game: explain basic rules and winning conditions first, then add exceptions gradually. Dumping nuance too early creates “indigestion” in both the model and the leader’s own thinking.

  11. Social IQ gaps: why executive-ready writing needs political calibration and voice

    Matt shows how AI can mishandle tone and “room-reading,” such as importing cute internal animal labels into executive docs. He argues leaders must own persuasion, audience empathy, and terminology choices because models lack context about baggage, timing, and credibility cues.

  12. Decompose before you align: why AI-generated exec alignment backfires

    Matt warns that using AI to “generate alignment” usually fails because executives detect slop and flattening. The outcome varies by hierarchy: seniors may get polite nods; others get ignored—either way, real alignment doesn’t happen without deep decomposition and intent.

  13. Matt’s weekly AI stack: Claude + Slack agents for analysis, sensing, and doc audits

    Matt outlines how AI shows up across his week: Claude for deep thinking and transformations, plus internal Slack agents for data analysis, conversation scanning, and strategy-document auditing. The theme is practical enablement—keeping leaders close to reality while reducing manual toil.

  14. How to enable AI internally: controlled experimentation, secure hosting, lead-by-example

    Matt explains Customer.io’s approach to tools like OpenClaw: allow experimentation in a controlled, secure way; support technical builders; and provide budget and infrastructure. Leadership adoption and feedback loops are positioned as essential for sustainable rollout.

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