The Diary of a CEOUFO Roundtable: CIA Physicist Proves Aliens Exist!
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Intro
- DFDan Farah
There has been an eighty-year cover-up of the existence of non-human intelligent life, covered up by elements of the US government. But this past Friday, the first tranche of evidence was released to the public
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
And the evidence is absolutely clear that there is some form of life with advanced technology. They're all over the place
- DFDan Farah
But the people involved in gatekeeping this information don't think the public can handle the truth. People have had their lives threatened. A lot of them are afraid to come forward and tell the White House what they know. And this has been kept from even sitting presidents. And I've interviewed high-level intelligence officials and government officials, and there have been UAP crashes over the years, and in some cases, the crashed crafts had the bodies of non-humans in them
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
And now we have people on ships seeing these things enter the water. We've seen enough times under enough different conditions that we just have to accept it as real
- SBSteven Bartlett
So what exactly is inside this report?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
We have so many sightings, even access to materials
- DFDan Farah
And there's a number of files, reports, video, and still images that were declassified. And the most notable piece of evidence in there is this
- SBSteven Bartlett
So I have so many questions. You're probably familiar with this NASA report. They essentially say that they don't believe that these UAPs are aliens. Why would NASA be lying? Is there a reason why this stuff hasn't been captured on, like, an iPhone? Are they currently living amongst us? And then do you trust the Trump administration to release all of the available information?
- DFDan Farah
I think eventually we'll get to that moment that we've all only seen in movies, where a sitting president steps to a microphone and tells the world we're not alone in the universe
- SBSteven Bartlett
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- 2:31 – 6:08
Answering the Biggest UAP Questions
- SBSteven Bartlett
I wanted to have a conversation with both of you today because you are two of the most popular voices online on this subject of UAPs, which is unidentified anomalous phenomena.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Right.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Exactly.
- SBSteven Bartlett
It has been in all the news recently because Trump, a couple of days ago, released four hundred classified files containing videos and photos and different reports on this subject of UAPs. Now, I don't have an opinion. I, I honestly haven't gone that far down the rabbit hole on this subject, but I wanted to have the conversation with both of you because you do have opinions. So starting with you, Dan, what is your background? And as it relates to the subject of UAPs, what is it that you believe that most people don't know or understand?
- DFDan Farah
My interest in this topic comes from my childhood. And so over the years, I just, I read every book on the topic, watched every doc. I always wished someone had made a super serious, credible, sober documentary that only interviews people who have direct knowledge of this topic as a result of working for the US government. And so got into producing. As I was getting access to high-level intelligence officials and government officials, before I even filmed, I really quickly learned how serious and real the situation is and how, uh, serious it's treated behind the scenes. And, you know, I made this movie, The Age of Disclosure, in secrecy over three and a half years, and I would say the headlines that I learned that the average person doesn't know is that there has in fact been an eighty-year cover-up of the existence of non-human intelligent life. It has been covered up by elements of the US government since at least the late '40s. Other nations have also covered this up. And the other major headline is that the people within the US government that have been gatekeeping this, they've also been involved in a high-stakes secret Cold War race with adversarial nations like China and Russia to reverse-engineer this technology of non-human origin. And, and the stakes couldn't be higher. Those are the two massive headlines. Uh, and, and I'm proud to say when the film came out, it created a national conversation, uh, at a, at an unprecedented level, and it led to President Trump issuing this directive in the middle of February, super unprecedented historic directive instructing federal agencies to start declassifying evidence it has, they have, of non-human intelligent life and UAP. And then that process began this past Friday. The first tranche of evidence was released to the public
- SBSteven Bartlett
And during the process of producing this documentary, who did you speak to?
- DFDan Farah
I got access to the highest levels of government, military, intelligence community. My interview subjects range from Secretary Rubio, who's also our national security advisor now, White House National Security Council members, Navy fighter pilots, admirals, generals, a former secretary of defense, uh, the leadership of all the recent classified US government UAP investigations. Every single person is extremely credible. Hal, Hal was one of my interview subjects. Hal's, uh, one of the most senior scientists, uh, to work on this topic for the US government in classified projects. And him and all these other people I interviewed, they had a lot of information they could legally share over the years, but they were always discouraged from doing so, and they never really had the opportunity to comfortably do it. No one wanted to be the one guy out on a limb saying something extraordinary on CNN or Fox or 60 Minutes and then being subject to the, the pushback and the ridicule.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm.
- DFDan Farah
And so when I realized thatI, I started socializing a plan for how to step out of the shadows arm in arm with safety
- 6:08 – 10:21
Why A Former Insider Took UAP Claims Seriously
- DFDan Farah
in numbers
- SBSteven Bartlett
I'll pick up on that point now where you talked about safety in numbers. Hal, he, he mentioned you there. You're part of the documentary. I saw you as well in the trailer of the documentary. What is your background and why, what reference points are you drawing on to speak on the subject of UAPs and UFOs, et cetera?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
I'm a quantum physicist. I worked for the National Security Agency, for various, uh, organizations in the intelligence community like CIA and so on. And so as part of my technical work, uh, I was also a consultant, a chief science advisor to Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace. He's really quite, quite a titan. I mean, he has two space stations orbiting the Earth. So anyway, tho- those people who are in, in the space business and they're moving out into space, they just can't help but wondering, you know, "What are we gonna run into when, when we get out there?" As a science advisor to him, uh, it turned out that the Defense Intelligence Agency came forward and said, uh, you know, "We need to find out, uh, really what's, uh, going on in the so-called UAP area."
- DFDan Farah
So then they determined they were just gonna start a UAP program. That program they started was called AAWSAP. They hired all the team, for example, Hal, and that program started in 2008, um, and got a lot of pushback behind the scenes because it turned out when they looked all over the intelligence community to see if there was another UFO program and didn't think there was-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm
- DFDan Farah
... turns out there was one. And there was a deeply hidden program referred to as the Legacy Program, and it had been operating in the shadows since the '40s, uh, outside of Congressional oversight, outside of the oversight of the White House, um, completely, you know, off, off, off-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Completely hidden away. Yeah
- DFDan Farah
As hidden as a program could be. And so they started pushing back behind the scenes against everyone involved in AAWSAP because they didn't want anyone else looking into this, right? Started to cause a lot of bureaucratic issues for them, red tape issues, and ultimately AAWSAP lost its funding in 2010, despite the fact that it was looking into very real issues like UAP over our nuclear weapon sites. It shut down in 2010.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Why do you think it shut down?
- DFDan Farah
They were dealt, uh, these bureaucratic hurdles behind the scenes by people involved in the Legacy Program, people who just caused problems and prevented funding and-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Exactly. Right
- DFDan Farah
It's a lot of, you know, it's a b- big bureaucracy. People can, people can do things behind the scenes to prevent funding from coming through, uh, for programs. And so ultimately they lost their, their funding in 2010, and then Jay Stratton and other people involved-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm
- DFDan Farah
... they were continuing to look i- into this because they, they didn't want this serious national security concern to go, you know, un- un- investigated, right?
- SBSteven Bartlett
So for-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
So that's how somebody like me gets, uh, pulled in. They say, "Okay, these pilots are out there and they suddenly see craft coming out of the ocean and making right angle turns at six G or whatever." And they say, "Oh my God, this is way beyond our physics." So I and other physicists sort of dug into, you know, what could be responsible for this. And we actually found that just like we use so-called Maxwell's equations and electromagnetic stuff for everything we do in electromagnetics, we have Einstein's equations in general relativity for, you know, black holes and all that kind of stuff. It turns out if you could engineer those, you would actually get the same effects that people were observing with these UAP crafts. So we think we've come up with, you know, what it is about, uh, the science of it. It's just that we don't have the engineering to do it.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do you believe in UAPs?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Absolutely believe in UAPs because I've been exposed to data about them.
- SBSteven Bartlett
A, a more specific question would be, do you believe in aliens?
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. So a number of the people I interviewed went on the record stating that they know from their own personal experiences that there have been UAP crashes over the years that have been recovered by elements of the US government, and in some cases, the, the crashed crafts had the bodies of non-humans in them. And numerous people I interviewed went on the record saying that. And keep in mind, everyone I interviewed only shared what they lawfully could. There was a line they couldn't cross. Everyone I interviewed is aware of classified information
- 10:21 – 14:04
The Real Reason Officials Couldn’t Speak Publicly
- DFDan Farah
they, they, they can't talk about, but they went right up to the line and, uh, made it clear that there had been recoveries of non-human bodies. A couple people actually testified under oath to Congress saying the same thing.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Why wouldn't they be able to talk about it publicly?
- DFDan Farah
Well, when you're involved in certain programs, uh, you sign certain agreements that prevent you from sharing-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Right
- DFDan Farah
... specific information
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Highly classified programs. And, and of course the big concern is, okay, whatever we might learn about these kind of craft and, and so on, our adversaries are out there and there probably been, there have been crashes in Russia, crashes in China, and so if we reveal what we're learning about the subject area and, you know, said it publicly, then it, it might help some potential adversary-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. A saying I-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
... get a step, get a step ahead, so-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
... that's why it's all just kept really close in.
- DFDan Farah
So a saying that I heard often from my interview subjects, "You can't tell your friends without telling your enemies." Meaning you can't tell the public what we know and don't know-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm
- DFDan Farah
... without also telling China and Russia what we know and don't know, and giving them that information might give them a competitive advantage. And the r- the obvious question anyone would ask when hearing that is then, "Well, okay, so what's shifted? Why is, why is that no longer the leading thought, secrecy is best?" And the answer is because the US is in a really high stakes race, a technology race against these adversaries to reverse-engineer technology of non-human origin. And the secrecy around it in the US since the '40s has created a scenario where the scientific community and academia don't even know it's real. They don't even know it's a valid area of inquiry.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Don't even believe it's real-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. I mean, the, the-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
... large
- DFDan Farah
... the smartest kids graduating at MIT this year, they are not thinking that this is something they can put their brainpower towards.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Coming back to the question, do you believe in aliens?
- DFDan Farah
I 100% believe that non-human intelligent life is here and has been here for a long time
- SBSteven Bartlett
When you say here-
- DFDan Farah
The Earth
- SBSteven Bartlett
... do you mean currently living amongst us?
- DFDan Farah
I don't know about the living amongst us part
- SBSteven Bartlett
Don't know, don't know about that.
- DFDan Farah
I don't know about that. But look-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Wouldn't rule it out, but don't know
- DFDan Farah
... there is, there is UAP activity being reported on a daily basis by commercial airlines pilot, commercial airline pilots to the FAA, by Navy fighter pilots off the East Coast being reported, you know, up the military chain of command, and on top of that, uh, regular activity over our nuclear weapon sites inside the United States. It's happening on a regular basis, uh, on the s- on, on the nuclear sites, and on a daily basis in commercial air travel space.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
UAP have come over nuclear, uh, missile sites and actually turned off the missiles. And so, you know, when something like that happens, you just gotta take it seriously.
- DFDan Farah
And they're, the technology that they're displaying is technology that no humans have. And again, there has been some crashes, and in those crashes there have been the bodies of non-humans.
- SBSteven Bartlett
How do we know that? How do we know that in those crashes they've recovered bodies of non-humans?
- 14:04 – 19:42
What Allegedly Happened After Non-Human Craft Crashes
- DFDan Farah
... who co-created, co-founded AAWSAP and then became the director of the UAP Task Force, the largest whole of government investigation of UAP ever.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What did he say?
- DFDan Farah
He went on the record in the film saying that he's seen non-human beings and non-human craft with his own eyes. That was the farthest he could go at that point.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Why did he say he couldn't go further?
- DFDan Farah
Uh, he, he, he, he had a situation that he was involved in that, um, for a few reasons he wasn't, he just wasn't comfortable talking about it yet, and some of it I think he just wanted to make sure he legally could. Now, going back to credibility, like take a guy like Jay saying that. When Jay retired a few years back, he was part of the senior executive services of the federal government. That's a level less than 1% of all federal employees ever reach. You know, it's the equivalent of a two-star admiral or general. Um, very, very senior, very trusted, you know, cleared at a very high level. Um, he had worked with Naval Intelligence in a senior capacity. Uh, he had worked with the CIA. He had worked with the Defense Intelligence Agency as the head of air and space warfare. He's a super serious, credible guy.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
And he's, he's, he's putting his reputation on the line to share this information, um, to the extent that he legally could and, and comfortably could.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And when you asked him why the world doesn't know this stuff, in his view, what did he, what would he say?
- DFDan Farah
There's a lot of reasons. I mean, certainly the, you know, the idea that we can't tell our friends without telling our enemies has been a driver. To just to recap the reasons for secrecy, I, I, I actually believe it, it's better to kind of start from the beginning. When this fir- when, when in 1947 there was a crash-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Right
- DFDan Farah
... at Roswell of non-human origin. And, uh, yeah, RA-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... uh, RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. Yeah.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
That's right.
- DFDan Farah
And then this is the image of their cover-up story-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... trying to show a weather balloon or... Yeah, so multiple people in my film go on the record saying the Roswell crash really happened. Uh, technology of non-human origin and non-human bodies were recovered. Um, if you put yourself in the shoes of the military and government at that point, like put yourself in Truman and, you know, Eisenhower's shoes, you're just coming out of World War II. The world was just chaos for a very long time. It's finally starting to settle down. You can't exactly step to the microphone and tell America that there's a new threat that we know nothing about and we can't protect you from. They're far advanced, you know? Uh, what, what's the advantage of that? So secrecy became the plan at that point. And they had more questions than answers, so everyone I've talked to gave me context, uh, explained that the, the, the, the plan for secrecy went in motion there. Uh, let's investigate. Let's find out more about what we don't know before we tell the American people. That was quickly followed by the Cold War era, and we learned that Russia also had retrieved technology of non-human origin, and so we knew we were in a, a technology race. So then the idea of can't tell your friend without telling your enemy ruled the day. So now the Cold War mentality, you know, led to more secrecy, and as a security wrapper for this, this program that it, that it started, uh, they created the stigma in the late '40s, early '50s, this cultural stigma, this idea that you're crazy if you look into this topic. You're wacky. You'll have your reputation ruined. You'll have your career ruined.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah. There was actually a CIA meeting where people got together and said, "Okay. In order to not have people be pursuing this area, let's go out of our way to spread what we would call now disinformation about something."
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. Very basically the most-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... effective disinformation campaign in the history of the US government because it got into our culture. Some movies were funded that made aliens seem silly and the idea of life from elsewhere seem ridiculous, and that got compounded over the years. And then we got to the point where, w- where we were like, you know, just, just like a few years ago, where the average person just thinks it's not real. You know, the average scientist, academia-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm
- DFDan Farah
... you know, they think it's conspiracy stuff. It's nonsense. It's silly. Um, there was no advantage for elected leaders to get in front of this or for military members to, you know, speak up about what they learned or saw. It would be a career ruiner. Um, and, uh, that started to shift, uh, several years back when Jay Stratton and Jim McCaskey, when they put together AAWSAP-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm. Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... in 2010 and they started to-Go out there and collect data, um, and get evidence, and they started to actually share it with the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee. And looking at classified data in a classified setting, people like Marco Rubio, who was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time, started to realize, you know-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
There's, there's something here
- DFDan Farah
... not only is there something here, but we've got a problem, right? [laughs] There's a lot of, lot of UAP activity over these highly classified sites like our nuclear weapon sites. There's a lot at stake. We are in this, you know, race with other nations, and the stigma has created a disadvantage for us. It's very hard to win a technology race when the majority of scientists don't know it's a valid area of inquiry, right?
- SBSteven Bartlett
And do people think that there's one type of non-human intelligence that's visiting the Earth, or is there many, many types?
- DFDan Farah
People who have been involved in recoveries have said-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
That there are at least four types, four separate types. Now, I have not had direct access to that, but I, I, I believe the people who I talked to said that
- 19:42 – 22:34
Are There Multiple Types Of Non-Human Beings?
- DFDan Farah
caused a crash and then recovered.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And have you spoken to people who ... You talked about Jay. Have you spoken to other people that have worked on these crashed crafts?
- DFDan Farah
I've ta- I've talked off the record with some people who are involved in recoveries.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
They would not go on camera to do interviews, Special Forces people that would not go on camera to do interviews. One I actually thought, I've, I've mentioned this in another interview, but, um, one I thought was gonna do an interview and then a couple days before sent me a message saying, "After further consideration and long talks with my wife, I decided I'd be forfeiting my life if I participated in your interview," and I thought that was, like, very un-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
That's a chilling email
- DFDan Farah
... very unsettling message to get obviously, but also very specific word choice, you know? Forfeiting my life.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What did he know?
- DFDan Farah
He was a special, very senior Special Forces guy who had told me he had been involved in multiple recoveries. That's what he told me.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Okay.
- DFDan Farah
And I met him through, uh, some high-level intelligence people. Early on in my process, I got connected with the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee, and they had on their own learned the reality of the situation through the work of AAWSAP and then AATIP and then the UAP Task Force and through their own, their own intelligence channels. Leaders on those committees wanted to educate the public about what they could lawfully about this, but they didn't really have a way to do it. It's such a complicated situation. It takes a while to explain it. You can't do it in, like, a six-minute news hit on Fox or CNN or even, like, a 15-minute, 60-minute segment. You just can't do it, and no one wanted to be the one guy trying to do it. So w- when I started putting together the film and socializing this safe way for people to step forward, uh, it also quickly became those people's plan for disclosure. That's why Secretary Rubio participated. That's why White House National Security Council members participated. It became, amongst the group of people who had learned the truth-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm
- DFDan Farah
... it became the plan for disclosure, the way to bring this information out in a thoughtful way.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do the presidents of the United States know about this stuff? Are they aware?
- DFDan Farah
Historically, no.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Historically, no.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and even Rubio says on camera that, you know, historically this has been kept from even sitting presidents.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Who would know then?
- DFDan Farah
So a number of the people in my film break down, um, who's involved in the Legacy Program. Now sim- to, to put it simply, it's elements of the CIA, elements of the Air Force, elements of the Department of Energy, and a few major defense contractors, and they have the ability to access information from a number of federal agencies and branches of the military. But the, the primary leaders of this program are the CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy, and major defense contractors. And Rubio breaks down in the film
- 22:34 – 24:17
What U.S. Presidents Are Actually Told About UAPs
- DFDan Farah
the way our bureaucracy works, um, you could have career bureaucrats in positions of power at those organizations for decades, and they can just wait out sitting presidents. They can wait out sitting senators.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
They can look on the sitting presidents as just temporary help that are gonna come and go.
- DFDan Farah
And that's what's been happening-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... up until this point now. So the fact that Rubio had learned so much about the reality of the situation and the extent of the cover-up and then ended up arguably the second-most powerful guy in the world as our secretary of state and our national security advisor at the same time, which has only happened once in US history-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... Henry Kissinger for two years.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
No one [laughs] else has ever had both those jobs at the same time. The fact that he ended up in that position of power and influence after learning the reality of the situation and right as The Age of Disclosure is coming out and driving this national conversation, it really led to the current President Trump being informed about this in a way that no president has in a very long time.
- SBSteven Bartlett
So are you saying that the United States don't think the public are ready to even know that this exists? Because, you know, they could tell us that they have recovered UAPs or aliens, whatever it might be, without telling us about the technology.
- DFDan Farah
They could, and I think we're gonna get to that point.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah, I think they, they were trapped in, in this system that had, that had grown up, and, uh, people behind the scenes working in the classified programs said, "Well, you know, we don't know how the public is gonna respond, so let's be safe and let's, let's just keep it in-house."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do you think Trump believes that there are aliens? 'Cause I, I was looking at some of his quotes, and he said, "Well, I don't know if they're real or not. I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. A lot of people do.
- 24:17 – 27:51
Is The Public “Not Ready” For The Truth?
- SBSteven Bartlett
A lot of people believe it."
- DFDan Farah
Barack Obama said
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
that aliens are real. Well, he gave classified information. He's not supposed to be doing that, you know? So aliens are real? No, I don't, I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it. Do you believe it, Peter? I, well, if the president can declassify anything that he wants to, so if you wanna make an announcement- Well, maybe I'll get him out of trouble. I may get him out of trouble by declassifying
- DFDan Farah
One of the things that came out in The Age of Disclosure is that during Trump's first administration, his cabinet was briefed by the UAP Task Force, by Jay Stratton. And when he briefed them, uh, he was told that they had asked for this briefing because they needed to be able to evaluate what the repercussions would be if Trump decided to step to the microphone and tell the world we're not alone in the universe. Obviously, he didn't end up deciding to do that then. However, in this new administration, he's got Rubio in a position of Secretary of State and National Security Advisor and fully aware of the situation, and that has given him the comfort to put this, this process in motion. There's certainly a disclosure process unfolding right now.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Obama said in an interview that he did with Brian Tyler Cohen, when asked about aliens, Obama said, "They're real, but I haven't seen them. They're not being kept at Area 51. There's no underground facility, unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they hid it from the President of the United States." Now, that sounded to me like kind of sarcasm when he said, "They're real, but," and then explained all, that they're not real.
- SBSteven Bartlett
They're real, but I haven't seen them and, and, and, uh, they're not being kept in, uh-
- DFDan Farah
Area 51
- SBSteven Bartlett
... Area 51. Uh, there, there's no underground, uh, facility, unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they, they hid it from the President of the United States.
- SBSteven Bartlett
So it would appear to me that Obama also doesn't know of any aliens.
- DFDan Farah
I think Obama was largely kept in the dark.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
I think he does know that, the base fact that we're not alone in the universe, and I actually think when he said, "They're real," I think he was being... That was just candid.
- SBSteven Bartlett
That was his honest-
- DFDan Farah
That was his honest, candid, genuine statement. I think when he then said, "They're not kept at Area 51," I think he's also being honest, 'cause none of my sources say that-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Say they're at Area 51, yeah
- DFDan Farah
... say that UAP and aliens are being kept at Area 51.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Exactly.
- DFDan Farah
They're being kept somewhere else. [laughs] Um, so I think he was being honest there, and I think when he made the comment of, uh, "Unless there's a giant conspiracy," if you watch the tape, he, like, sips his cup and raises his eyebrows as he said it. I think he's s- He knows there's a giant conspiracy. That's the truth. The following day, uh, Trump was asked about that on Air Force One, and he responded saying Obama revealed classified information and he shouldn't have said that, and, um, I think that's the truth.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah. So-
- DFDan Farah
I think presidents don't, don't know, and they're, and they're told not to talk about it.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Trump has started to release a lot of classified information around UAP and aliens. The first batch of that was released a couple of days ago.
- DFDan Farah
Right.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What exactly is inside this report?
- DFDan Farah
There was a number of files, reports, uh, video, and, uh, still images that were declassified. This is information that previously had been classified or just never really made public. Um, this was just the first tranche of, uh, what has been, what will be released. Uh, the most notable piece of evidence in there is an image, a still image, from the 1972 Apollo mission. It's an image of a triangle, uh, a seemingly triangle-shaped
- 27:51 – 29:20
What Was Really Inside Trump’s UAP Report?
- DFDan Farah
craft hovering above the moon and above the astronauts, and the image was taken from, uh, the, from the lunar module. And, um, you know, the UAP Task Force looked into this image years ago, uh, and determined it was real. That seems to be the most glaring piece of evidence in this, this tranche. But I will say this. Hal and I both have the same, a lot of the same sources of information, and everyone we've talked to at various federal agencies has told us that when the president gave this directive in middle of February for federal agencies to declassify evidence of non-human intelligent life and UAP, only a few engaged with it. They only gave a small percent of what they have.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And they, they only had a couple weeks to do it.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm. Right. One of the things I, I think I've always struggled with, with the idea of these kind of conspiracies, um, is that I don't know why that information would necessarily fall into the hands of, like, government officials. It, because, you know, alien life forms or UAPs would be visible and would land in anyone's back garden. So you would, you could imagine a world, especially in a world where we have, I don't know, like eight billion iPhones roaming around, could imagine a world where if there was some kind of UAP crash in my garden, it would be on TikTok within five minutes.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Or if there really was, you know-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
If someone got there with an iPhone, you're right.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You know, there was that incident earlier in the year with those... Were, were they drones in, in America flying-
- DFDan Farah
Jersey.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Jersey.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
In New Jersey.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Jersey.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
In New Jersey, yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And that was on social media within minutes, and everyone was talking about it and looking at what they
- 29:20 – 38:09
Why There Still Aren’t Clear iPhone Videos Of UAPs
- SBSteven Bartlett
were. I don't know. I think in the modern world, because we have so many ways to capture high-quality video, if there was something out there, we would've seen a very clear image of this thing by now.
- DFDan Farah
Well, there's a lot-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, that's why there, there's a lot that came out in these files because over the years, our sensor systems that the pilots have in their planes have gotten so much better. They've captured really astounding-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do, do, does this life want to be seen? Do these aliens want us to know they're there?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
I'd have to assume that given the, a level of quality of, of their technology, if they didn't wanna be seen, we, we wouldn't be seeing them. So it seems like, I would say there's evidence that for whatever reason, they're, they're, they're wanting to be seen.
- DFDan Farah
But also, like, I, my personal opinion is that if someone answers that question, they're answering it through the lens of, like, how humans think, right? For all we know, you know, we're, we're ants to them, you know? You don't hide from the ants. You walk around them.
- SBSteven Bartlett
[laughs]
- DFDan Farah
You don't even... But you also don't pay attention to them, you know?
- SBSteven Bartlett
Based on their behavior from the interviews you've doneHow do you think they view us?
- DFDan Farah
I, I honestly feel like the dynamic is, you know, we are very, very far below them on the food chain. You know, Hal makes an analogy in the film. He says, "The ants in your tree line in your backyard, they could be there for generations. You never think about them. You walk around them. You don't, you're not hiding from them, but, like, they're there and you don't really care, right? But what happens if they evolve one day and out of nowhere they've figured out how to get into your house, and they've beelined under your, under your door and they're in your living room, right?" We might have evolved technologically over the last 80 years since we cracked the atom so quickly that we're now, you know, the equivalent of the ants showing up in their living room. Like, all of a sudden-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Potential danger. Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... all of a sudden this warring species, this violent species, humans, you know-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm
- DFDan Farah
... um, we ha- we, we progressed so quickly. We went from no real technological progres- progress for a very long time to cracking the atom and then figuring out nuclear technology and then continuing to increase, you know, our, our nuclear technology development. And, you know, we have this program that has been retrieving their crashed craft and trying to reverse-engineer them. So we might be at that point where we're about to do what they do, and all of a sudden we are a problem. Um, that might be the explanation of why they pay so much attention to our nuclear process. You know, there's a lot of UAP activity not only at the nuclear weapon sites all over the world, but, um, uh, sites involved in the process, the nuclear process, like uranium mines or refineries.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Is it pl- you know, again-
- DFDan Farah
It might just be we've gotten to the point where all of a sudden they have, they have to
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
In, uh, in the Soviet Union, uh, the UAP came over and actually started a launch of the Russian missiles. I mean, they actually forced the system to start into a countdown process.
- SBSteven Bartlett
How do we know that?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
By the intelligence community's, uh, access to information about it.
- DFDan Farah
Every person we spoke to in Belokurikha said they saw a flying saucer on that day. For hours, it hovered over the nearby ballistic missile base. No one had touched any buttons. No one had entered any codes. And yet as the UFO hovered over the base, the control panel showed the missiles were preparing to launch. For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost control of its nuclear weapons.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Logically, I would think that unusual activity would happen around consequential sites.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yes.
- DFDan Farah
Yes.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You know, I'd be more surprised if there was really frequent unusual ac- activity happening in my back garden f- for example. But around highly consequential sites, one would ex- expect there to be people flying things around there, spying. You know what people are like with cameras these days. They wanna take photos of anything interesting. They ha- they hang around police stations and army barracks.
- DFDan Farah
Right, right.
- SBSteven Bartlett
So logically, I would assume that there would be a, an increased probability of strange activity in the sky above a nuclear site.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, in fact, there was a group of people in the intelligence community who, who recognized exactly what you're saying, and so they decided to, you know, make an attractive magnet by getting a whole lot of nuclear, uh, assets in, in one location to see if that would draw them in. And-
- DFDan Farah
It did
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
... my understanding, it, it was successful.
- DFDan Farah
So, you know, our nation and other nations have figured out circumstances that can, for lack of a better term, bait UAP.
- 38:09 – 40:12
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- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Hmm
- SBSteven Bartlett
... and their technology, if, if I should call it that. But at the same time, they seem to be crashing a lot, which is a bit of a paradox.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, uh, actually some of them have not crashed, but have been simply left in the desert, sort of like a gift or a donation.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I was gonna say
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
We're, we're still trying to figure that out, so. I mean, some of them do, do, do crash and, and, uh, it, it can have maybe some of our electromagnetic pulsing and laser pulsing can interfere with their technology and, and, and, and you might get a crash.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Well, why don't you th- why do you think another country hasn't come forward with similar disclosures and similar evidence?
- 40:12 – 41:25
If These Craft Are So Advanced, Why Do They Crash?
- DFDan Farah
I actually think there's a really simple answer for that. Um, I think our allies follow the US's lead.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And I think our adversaries, primarily China and Russia-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm
- DFDan Farah
... have no reason to go public. They don't have the same sort of societies and dynamics. Like Xi can do what he wants anyway. What's, what's the advantage to him? Same thing with Putin. You know, there is no advantage. And when you look at it that way, you really quickly get to the, you know, this is the way it is for that reason.
- SBSteven Bartlett
They did a study in 2026 and found that 45 planets are likely capable of supporting life, they call this the habitable zone, out of more than 6,000 planets discovered so far by NASA.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Mm-hmm.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Um, there are approximately a trillion galaxies in the universe, and within these galaxies, 100,000 planets could potentially host life according to Oxford University. Now, I believe that if you think about the entire universe, I believe that we're not the only life in the universe.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yes. Right.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I think that's, I mean-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
I think that's a very scientific conclusion
- SBSteven Bartlett
... probabilistically, it would be pretty incredible if we were. I mean, it'd be just, it's almost inconceivable that we are. The question of whether that life has been here is a question that for me is still a big
- 41:25 – 45:44
Does Elon Musk Know More Than He Admits?
- SBSteven Bartlett
question mark because I just... You know, I also, I think Elon, you know, whatever you think about Elon, he is someone that seems to just say what he thinks, and this is part of what's caused his companies a lot of problem is he d- seems to be pretty unfiltered. He has been asked multiple times as well if he believes that there are, there are aliens in the, in, in our galaxy, and he has said on multiple occasions that he doesn't believe that to be the case. And he, you know, he's launching rockets all the time. So he said, I heard him say, "If anyone should know, it should be me." Do you think he knows?
- DFDan Farah
I think that you can't operate in space at, at, at the level he does or operate as a contractor at the level he does, um, without having clearances that require secrecy. You know, there's, there's, there's all kinds of, uh, levels of secrecy. You know, there's, everyone knows the word classified, right? There's classified projects, but there's also black projects that are unacknowledged special access programs where you literally by law are requiredTo not acknowledge the existence of the program or anything it does. That's literally the, the-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Anything it knows even.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. That's literally the whole, they're literally referred to as unacknowledged special access programs.
- SBSteven Bartlett
That would include-
- DFDan Farah
So if you're involved-
- SBSteven Bartlett
... all of his team as well, wouldn't it?
- DFDan Farah
So if you're involved with an unacknowledged special access program and someone asks you about it, you, you have to say you have no idea what they're talking about.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And all of his team.
- DFDan Farah
If, if they are a part of the program, yeah. But just because someone's, um, rated on an unacknowledged special ac- access program doesn't mean all their employees are.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Elon said, um, that, "We have 9,000 satellites up there," he's referring to his company Starlink, "and not once have we had to maneuver around an alien spaceship." He argues that if aliens were constantly visiting Earth, the aerospace experts who watch the skies every day would be the first to know.
- DFDan Farah
Well, look, NASA also has said for decades that they had no evidence of [laughs] extraterrestrial life-
- SBSteven Bartlett
[laughs]
- DFDan Farah
... or UAPs, and last Friday, the federal government released a photo of a triangle craft hovering over the 1972 Apollo space mission, so somebody's, somebody's not being honest. [laughs]
- SBSteven Bartlett
Right.
- DFDan Farah
You know? Which also implies a lot of other people know things that they haven't revealed.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I, I think I've heard you say before, Hal, that you think this intelligent life actually exists amongst us. Yeah, I, I, the quote was, "They are not oc- occasional visitors. They live secretly alongside humans but with advanced technology."
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
We have so many sightings and so many, uh, even access to materials and so on. I mean, they're all over the place.
- SBSteven Bartlett
65% of Americans believe intelligent life exists on other planets.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Uh, 40% of people say military-reported UFOs are probably evidence of extraterrestrial life-
- DFDan Farah
Mm-hmm
- SBSteven Bartlett
... according to Pew Research. And 30% of Americans believe UFOs or unidentified flying objects are probably alien ships of life form, and 47% of Americans believe aliens have definitely or probably visited Earth at some point, according to YouGov. Half of Americans believe that UFOs/aliens have definitely or probably visited life at some point.
- DFDan Farah
Hmm.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Quite a lot of people.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, you see, you, you see the, the, uh, Age of Disclosure film and the people that came forward. I mean, you had Clapper, ex, uh, head of the office of, uh, director of National Intelligence, and Senator Rubio at the time, now in his elevated position and so on. You now have people of real quality, and y- you know they're not lying, and they're coming forth and saying, "This is real, and we got to deal with it, and there's a lot we don't know about it."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Could you be wrong?
- DFDan Farah
Um, I don't think it's about whether I'm wrong or Hal's wrong. You would have to believe that senior leadership across the government, the military, the intelligence community that has access to classified information and is saying based on the classified information they have seen, this is a real situation. You'd have to believe all of those people are lying for some bizarre, unexplained reason, so I find that hard to believe.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Could it be the case that all of those people were misinterpreting what they were seeing? They, they saw something, you know, f- f- uh, fighter pilots saw something moving i- in their visors when they're up in s- their machines.
- DFDan Farah
Not really because, like in-
- 45:44 – 50:24
Could All Of This Be A Massive Misinterpretation?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
actual materials, crash craft, bodies that aren't human.
- DFDan Farah
Also, a lot of these sightings, um, they're now in the process of, the White House, uh, cabinet members are in the process of identifying where the evidence exists within federal agencies and the military so they can get access to it themselves, and then determine from there what can safely be shared with the public. I think once they get their hands on more evidence, then a plan will be put in place for telling the world this conclusion. I think we're, we're, it's like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
More close
- DFDan Farah
... fade to complete, basically. Like, it's gonna get to that point relatively soon.
- SBSteven Bartlett
If we get to that point and you get personally invited in to wherever they're keeping th- these materials, and you get to see every single file that exists, and as you go through those files, you realize that a lot of what you've been told is not true because there's other explanations, how would it, like, fundamentally change the way that you see the world?
- DFDan Farah
Some of, some of the UAP we've seen, like take the famous, everybody knows the Tic Tac UFO, right? Uh, that Commander Dave Fravor, the Navy fighter pilot, interacted with in 2004.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
Right?
- SBSteven Bartlett
I'll put that on the screen for anyone that hasn't seen it.
- DFDan Farah
Great. And so take that, take that UAP, for example. Multiple data collection systems and Commander Dave Fravor, a legend in the Na- in, in the Navy. Top Gun guy. Commander of an entire naval strike group, right? Like, total badass.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
Legend.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Absolutely.
- DFDan Farah
Legend of a guy. Uh, he sees this with his own eyes, and a bunch of data collection systems capture data confirming it's real. This UAP went from hovering above the ocean to instantly being at 80,000 feet, which is the entrance to space, right? And it did that maneuver all afternoon. The amount of energy required to do that is so bonkers, it's, we do not, humans do, no human beings have the ability to create that mus- that much energy, right? In a localized area for, for-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Right
- DFDan Farah
... an aircraft.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And, and so to answer your question, if we find out, you know, the unthinkable, that this is not non-human intelligent life, that some humans have figured out how to crack that technology and did it as recent as 2004 when the Tic Tac incident happened, that would be even more mind-blowing than accepting that life from elsewhere is here and has been here a long time because that would mean that some, some group of humans leapfrogged the rest of all of humanity technologically by thousands of years-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Hmm
- DFDan Farah
... and then seemingly did nothing with that. You know?
- SBSteven Bartlett
Or it could be something else. That's the nature of unusual things.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
That's true.
- SBSteven Bartlett
They become great stories. So I, I think in the case of the Tic Tac incident, again, I'm, what I'm trying to do is interrogate this pat- from all angles, is could it have been something else?
- DFDan Farah
Could it be the- any, any isolated event like that, you could do the whole could it be this, could it be that thing. But it's the c- it's the-- you gotta take a step back and look at the s- the collective. It's one report like that after another-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Mm
- DFDan Farah
... from credible people since World War II. You know, during World War II, pilots were seeing what they called foo fighters, like these orbs that would move alongside, uh, our f- our fighter jets, right? [laughs]
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
[laughs] Man, man.
- DFDan Farah
Like they would, like, they would move in, in line with them. Um-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
And now we have, we have people on ships seeing these things enter the water and then moving at, you know-
- DFDan Farah
Impossible speeds
- 50:24 – 56:42
Why NASA Says UAPs Aren’t Aliens
- DFDan Farah
see.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Um, you're probably familiar with this NASA report that they produced on UAPs, independent study team report.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Where they, they essentially say that they don't believe that this, these UAPs are, are aliens. Why would NASA be lying?
- DFDan Farah
Like all these big bureaucracies, there's people who are aware of the truth, and then there's people who have the truth kept from them. Or, you know, one of the people I interviewed was Michael, Mike Gold, who was on the UAP, uh, the NASA UAP task force, and he talked about, um, how that effort was w- was flawed from the start. They didn't want to have a result that said NASA has all this information that they've kept from the public. They wanted the result that, that they landed on, which is there's nothing to see here, and they were really discouraged from, um, for example, the, uh, that, that image of a triangle, w- clearly appears to be a triangle craft over the moon.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
Um, they were told not to, not to include that in their report. Like, they were, they, they, they were not set up to tell the world the truth.
- SBSteven Bartlett
There should be a button just down below here, and if it says Subscribe, you're already subscribed. If it says Subscriber, that means you're not yet. And if you're not subscribed, please could you do us a favor and hit that button? It helps the show more than you know, and according to the algorithm, you're someone that watches our show, but you haven't yet hit that button. Thank you so much. I- in your view, is it possible that aliens aren't, uh, aren't real? Is it possible? Possible?
- DFDan Farah
I think that I personally would-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, if, if it's using-
- DFDan Farah
... doubt that.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
So you think it's impossible?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah. Using the term alien, you know, has a certain connotation about it. So we can certainly say, I mean, the, the evidence is absolutely clear that there is some form of life with advanced technology. You know, if you wanna say, "Well, what can I prove about, about it?" well, that, that, those are still unknowns that we're trying to suss out.
- DFDan Farah
I got access at a very high, to a very high level of the government, the military intelligence community, and there were a lot of people who talked to me off the record that wouldn't go on camera. There were a lot of people who, uh, couldn't tell me about classified information. I didn't wanna know classified information. But they all made it very clear, um, not just on camera, but o- off the record, that there, that there is evidence at a classified level that is clear as day. Like, some video taken when, like, the bubble is turned off and you can see a cr- a, a, a craft of non-human origin clear as day. And there is evidence of the technology that's been recovered and of these bodies. And when you ha- when, if you put yourself in my shoes, when you have so many senior people across the military, government, intelligence community telling you this, it's, it's really just impossible to ignore it, especially when most of them aren't even friends. They're not, like, ideologically aligned or politically aligned. They're all just different groups of people.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I'm less compelled by eyewitnesses.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
This is the problem, 'cause, uh, you know, I'm such a big true crime fan.
- DFDan Farah
[laughs] Yeah.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
[laughs]
- SBSteven Bartlett
You hear about all the bloody cases where eyewitness said this, and then they find out the serial killer wasn't that person or that thing didn't happen, so... And I also just have my own experiences of, like, thinking I saw things when I was younger.
- DFDan Farah
Here's an interesting thing that you just made me think of. So in the film, uh, Rubio and General Jim Clapper-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yes
- DFDan Farah
... two people who are completely ideologically and politically opposed to each other, made the same really intelligent point, and they both have knowledge at a, a classified level of the situation. They both said a problem we as humans have is that there's something in the human psyche that says, "I cannot wrap my head around or prepare for things I haven't seen or experienced." Right? And time and time again throughout history, that has proven to be, like, a human flaw, right? Uh, Rubio goes on to say that the greatest intelligence failures in US history come from a lack of imagination, and he cites a few examples. He says, "We never would've imagined the Japanese could figure out how to get torpedoes through the straits and hit us at Pearl Harbor, until they did." Um, he says, "We never would've imagined terrorists would fly to the homeland, learn to fly commercial planes, and then use them in a terror attack, until they did."Right? Um, he says some other examples too, but time and time again, not wrapping our head around a set of circumstances that, in using our imagination to think about what might happen or what might be happening, has, it's bit us in the ass. And he, he ends his line of thought by saying, "Lack of imagination leads to strategic surprise, like Pearl Harbor, like 9/11, and sometimes strategic surprise changes the course of history."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
And so, you know, him and, and other people I interviewed think it's really important to get ahead of this, as opposed to waiting for something to happen, as opposed to waiting for, you know, to find out the hard way that China, you know, cracked this technology before us and used it a- as- in an act of war, or, uh, non-human intelligent life, uh, does something u- unpredictable, and then all of a sudden the US government's on its heels, and so are other governments on their heels explaining to the public what they've known for a long time.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I- I've often heard that the reason why they don't tell the general public that these things exist is because the general public aren't ready for this information. Is that an argument? I've not really heard you guys say that before.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, no, people, there are people involved in gatekeeping this information that don't think the public can handle the truth. Uh, you know, Hal recently told me that people in the Legacy Program are pointing to The Age of Disclosure and saying, "Look, this film reveals a lot, and people aren't losing their shit, you know? People aren't jumping out of windows. It's not causing chaos in society." Like, the public can handle the base facts. Like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Of all the things you've heard, Dan, what is the m- what was the most compelling story or anecdote that you heard that convinced you?
- DFDan Farah
It was really just the sheer number of very high level military government intelligence officials who were telling me in, in private settings to my face, you know, that at a classified level, they know with absolute certainty this is real.
- 56:42 – 1:01:46
The One Story That Convinced Him Something Real Exists
- DFDan Farah
out in a thoughtful way to the public and make them aware of what's happening. Y- you can't, like, un-hear stuff like that [laughs] , you know? Um, and it makes, it makes an impact on you.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What about you, Hal? What was the most persuasive thing that you, that tipped you over the edge from, uh, you know, maybe being agnostic to believing that there are non-human intelligent life amongst us?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, it's looking at the technology, which is so advanced, that I'm essentially certain that no, uh, us or our adversaries could have made it. So somebody actually made it, and it has to be somebody who knows a lot more about physics than we do. I mean, there's, there's, there's nowhere to go but to say, "Okay, there's somebody who is way beyond humans to develop that kind of technology and display it."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Of all the evidence that's been released, and all of the rumors and videos and, you know, going back to the crop fields that we used to hear about many years ago, sh- presumably there's lots of this stuff that you don't believe, that you think is nonsense.
- DFDan Farah
Oh, there's definitely, there's definitely-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Oh, yeah, tons of that. [laughs]
- DFDan Farah
There's tons of reports that are-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... that when you look into them seem like bullshit, for sure.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Because, you know, one of the things people often say is that alien encounter descriptions perfectly match the pop culture of that era. So people saw flying saucers in the fif- in the 1950s after sci-fi movies popularized them, and gray aliens in the 1980s after books, um, like Communion-
- DFDan Farah
Right
- SBSteven Bartlett
... popularized them, and this kind of suggests that sightings are born from human imagination versus
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, I, I think, I, and I think that's a reasonable, uh, place to come to. I think, I think a lot of the reports that we get, you know, we can generally set aside as being, you know, just manufactured by humans who get caught up in this sort of, uh, give and take on social media and so on. But nonetheless, when you really zero in on actual evidence of technologies and evidence of bodies, there you can't just say it's, uh, you know, it's just social contagion.
- SBSteven Bartlett
The, when I think about the technologies, when I watch, like, the Tic Tac video-
- DFDan Farah
Mm-hmm
- SBSteven Bartlett
... it's kind of blurry and I don't really know what I'm looking at. Like, there's this thing moving around on the screen that's, like, black and white, but I don't really know what I'm looking at. And I think this has always been the struggle with it, is we're so used to consuming content in high definition that we can clearly ... And it appears to be the case that so many of these UAP videos are, like, in the distance and kind of blurry and vague, so it makes them harder to believe, and it just, I think we're all longing for, like, a solid video. You talked about them going in and out of the water. How come someone's not got ... You got, if someone, like, falls over and we, we, we capture it all on camera these days, CCTV cameras on every high street, why is there not, like, a solid video of something going in the water and out the water?
- DFDan Farah
Look, mult- multiple people said on, o- on camera they have seen with their own eyes classified videos that are indisputable. Um, and some of them told me specifics, like that story I told you, the, the first video Jay Stratton was shown when he went down this rabbit hole was a triangle craft hovering over a nuclear weapons site. Uh, Air Force security guards had filmed it on a little VHS camera that they had. It was, it was hovering long enough for them to do that. You know, that kind of evidence exists, but it's just still classified.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Will it be coming out, do you think?
- DFDan Farah
I, I, I hope so. I, I, I know this process is playing out right now where people like, like Jay Stratton are helping the administration find where the evidence exists so they can get their hands on it and then determine whether it can safely be declassified. Like, that process is definitely playing out right now.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do you think, do you trust the Trump administration to release all of the available information?
- DFDan Farah
I, I don't think it's a question of do we trust the current administration will release it. It's do we think all these federal agencies and branches of military are gonna turn-Over the evidence they have to the administration. That's the question. And the jury's still out on that. They're, they're not right now. They're pushing back, and they're pushing back hard. And that's why the administration is working with people like Stratton, like Jay Stratton, who, who, who had ... who over 16 years has learned where a lot of this evidence is. Um, they're working with people like him to find out where the evidence sits, who, who's gatekeeping it at each of these different organizations, and how to get to it. Uh, so they're doing, they're doing a fact-finding mission right now.
- SBSteven Bartlett
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- DFDan Farah
Mm-hmm
- SBSteven Bartlett
... and they release alien bodies and all of these things, how do you imagine the world would be different?
- DFDan Farah
I think it will lead to a giant technology boom. I think once we're told, hey, there's this technology that exists that could revolutionize the way we live, you know, it could lead to anti-gravity technology. It could lead to sol-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
New energy sources
- DFDan Farah
... new energy sources.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Right.
- DFDan Farah
Solve the energy crisis overnight, right? Could lead to interstellar travel and going farther out, you know, into the unknown.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
And I think it would have a great psychological effect, uh, because, you know, you've suddenly, uh, you go from the point of saying, "Well, maybe we're the only intelligent species in the universe," and then you suddenly get the idea that, uh, this is a universe full of life.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What does that mean for religion?
- DFDan Farah
I think all dogmas will just apply to it, you know? And I think the, the Vatican's already gotten ahead of it and said, you know, they put out a message a couple of years ago that basically the, the, the gist of it was, you know, God's, God's universe and God's work is vast and, you know-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Is vast
- DFDan Farah
... like basically-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
And you couldn't, and you couldn't, uh, you know, say that He, He wouldn't have the ability to do that. I mean [laughs] ...
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. So I, I, I think-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
So in fact, from a religious standpoint, uh, and certainly in the ca- case of the Catholic Church, they've had, uh, very positive views about population being throughout the universe.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. And there's nothing really, at least from the Catholic Church's perspective, there's nothing that counters the, you know, th- that doesn't allow you to wrap
- 1:03:40 – 1:08:38
What Alien Life Would Mean For Religion And God
- DFDan Farah
your head around the fact that there's other life out there, you know?
- SBSteven Bartlett
Are you guys religious?
- DFDan Farah
Not like overly religious, but like, you know, I, my, my, my mom's Irish and, and grew up going to Catholic school.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
And I, you know, I went to CCD, um, you know, Sunday school. Was it, what?
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
It's called a C- CCD where I grew up. Um, but-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do you believe in God?
- DFDan Farah
I do. I do.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do you believe in God?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
I do too. Yeah. And I'm a practicing Catholic, so.
- SBSteven Bartlett
So would that mean that you believe God has made all of these aliens as well?
- DFDan Farah
That's my, that's what my worldview is, yeah.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah, I would think that I couldn't say that's not the case. But, you know, as a scientist, I can't prove that, that it is the case, but, you know, just, just on the statistics of it, it's pretty likely.
- DFDan Farah
You know, an interesting thing happening right now, Steven, too, is these people who have been gatekeeping the truth, um, a lot of them are afraid to come forward and tell the White House what they know because they, they think they're gonna be villainized. They, they think the optics around this are such that like if someone's been covering this up, they're, they're, they're, they're the villain of the story, right? And so, um, the White House and the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of War realize this, and so in the last couple weeks, they've been messaging out to the military and the intelligence community that this is not a witch hunt. It's not an endeavor to punish anyone. They want to encourage people to come forward, assure them there will be no, no punishment, uh, for being involved in gatekeeping this. They just wanna learn the truth and find out where the real evidence sits. So that's another thing that's playing out right now that I think if it gets out there enough, uh, it will lead to more people coming forward with that, that evidence we all wanna see.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Earlier on, we, you talked about how some people feel like their lives are at risk because of what they know. Has there been any instance of anyone being punished for saying anything in this regard?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, certainly having, having their clearances pulled or losing their op- opportunities for advancement. Uh, we, we've heard stories like that from, from several people in the intelligence community.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Is there, is there anyone you can name that has said that they were threatened or punished or in some form because of what they've said?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, certainly the, the number one whistleblower for, for many people has been David Grusch, and so he has, uh, outlined the various steps taken against him to basically ruin his career significantly enough that he went to the Inspector General of the intelligence community and said, "I'm being punished, shoved aside, losing clearances," and so on, "because I came out with this data." And they said, "Well, what you've provided us is, you know, serious, worthy of consideration." Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
And I think a lot of people have had their lives threatened.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
Um, I'm not certain if, if anyone has been killed, um, but I know people have had their lives threatened.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And who's threatening them?
- DFDan Farah
People that are involved, um, in this, this program referred to as the Legacy Program
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Who think that the evidence should not ever come out
- SBSteven Bartlett
This Legacy Program, so this is a program ran within the US government? To-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
US government-
- DFDan Farah
Elements of
- 1:08:38 – 1:14:26
The CIA’s Remote Viewing Experiments Explained
- SBSteven Bartlett
you to investigate Remote Viewing?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
That's right. And so they, uh, asked me to set up a small program and 50 or 60K or whatever, and they said, "You know, we hope you'll find this is all nonsense. We can forget about it. We don't have to worry about it." And it grew into, you know, more than a two-decade program-
- DFDan Farah
Called Stargate
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
... millions of dollars. Stargate is, uh, the label for it that most people know about because by now, most of the information in the program came out. And basically, it ... We just, we just found that, uh, people essentially, just like you have artistic ability or athletic ability or whatever, music ability, well, we found out that Remote Viewing, this ability to sit in a location and pick up information from someplace far away, uh, is a talent that, uh, many people could, uh, demonstrate. And so we ended up, uh, actually, uh, training, uh, Army intelligence officers at the Army Intelligence and Security Command at Fort Meade how to do this. And so-
- SBSteven Bartlett
So wait, let me just simplify this for the audience that might not fully understand what we're talking about. So Remote Viewing is the idea that I could sit here in London where we are now, and I could be trained to see what was going on in another part of the world
- DFDan Farah
To make your mind's eye-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Exactly
- DFDan Farah
... go to a remote location
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Exactly. I'll give you a specific example. A Soviet plane that CIA wanted to get ahold of went down somewhere in Africa. They didn't, they didn't know where because the pilot had bailed out, and it just went on till it ran out of gas. So we got two of our, quote, "best Remote Viewers," one that worked for the Air Force and one that worked for my organization, to say, "Okay, here's a map of Africa. Where's that damn plane? We gotta go in and get it." And they put an X on the map that was in three miles of where the plane went down out of the hundreds of thousands of square miles. And so the CIA went in and got the plane. So, I mean, it was ... You know, how do they do that? Well-
- DFDan Farah
By the way, there's an audio recording of President Jimmy Carter telling that story
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah
- SBSteven Bartlett
Hmm
- DFDan Farah
Post, post-presidency
- SBSteven Bartlett
Maybe we should play that
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
One time we had a, a small plane go down somewhere in Africa. We were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites. So the director of the CIA, he was also director of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a, a, a woman in California that, uh, was a medium, and he, uh, contacted her. And she gave him the latitude and longitude of the plane's whereabouts, and the next time one of our space satellites went over that area, we located the plane where she said it was
- SBSteven Bartlett
Again, this sounds like it's impossible
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Sounds like it, uh, yeah
- SBSteven Bartlett
It sounds-
- DFDan Farah
It sounds completely bananas. It sounds like something out of an X-Men comic book. [laughs]
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah
- DFDan Farah
It sounds crazy, but-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, I was ... Okay, it is-
- DFDan Farah
There's so much data
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
... if you wanna be really practical about it, uh, you know, they, they ... Often our skeptics would say, "Well, if they're so psychic, why aren't they rich? Why aren't they in the stock market or whatever?" So we set up a little program on, on a challenge to predict silver futures
- SBSteven Bartlett
To b- to predict what?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Silver futures
- DFDan Farah
Just the value of silver
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah, the value of silver-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Oh, silver
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
... silver on a daily basis. Was it gonna go up or go down? So we had somebody said, "Okay, I, I will ... If, if you'll set up a little program like that for 30 days, I'll bet on what your, quote, 'Remote Viewers' say, and I'll put the money in, and I'll give you 10% of what I make." Said, "Okay, fine." Now, long story short, uh, made, um, $260,000 in the 30 days. We got our 10%, which is $26,000. So people could actually, in this case, even look into the future a day and generate a description of what they were gonna see and handle the following day
- 1:14:26 – 1:18:20
Does The Stargate Program Still Exist Today?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
was originally, uh, top secret, uh, special access program. Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Uh, there's a part of me that goes, "Les, if people could do remote viewing and see, you know, into other parts of the world or predict the things that you're saying," I mean, if, if, if it was trainable, s- everything ... So the, like life as we know it would be completely flipped on its head.
- DFDan Farah
I think it's unreasonable to think that when Stargate became public the US government stopped remote viewing.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I mean, I wouldn't stop if I was the US government.
- DFDan Farah
No.
- SBSteven Bartlett
If, if it worked, I wouldn't stop.
- DFDan Farah
I think it just went underground, moved to a different agency and-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah. Went underground.
- SBSteven Bartlett
So you were training people to do it, though.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah. We-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Is that what you're saying?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, we had ... Yeah. We had, we had people that we trained.
- SBSteven Bartlett
So ch- train me.
- DFDan Farah
[laughs]
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
We ... Well, yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
How, how do you train someone?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
There are courses. Now a, a number of the, uh, military intelligence officers that we trained have now, uh, left the military, and they do have training courses.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do you, do you believe it?
- DFDan Farah
Per- y- I do. At first, I thought it just sounded too much like something in a comic book, right?
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
But the more I first read about Stargate in the declassified documents, started to realize how serious the government took it, and the more I learned about it through Hal, and then eventually, um ... I really don't wanna get into the details of this, but eventually, um, I got connected with someone who has done remote viewing for the government, and they did a demonstration for me that blew my mind.
- SBSteven Bartlett
'Cause you would think if anyone was capable of doing remote viewing, they could go on the internet and make one prediction or do one video that would be, you know, proven to be true, and they would literally be considered to be a superhuman. Like, they would literally be ... I mean, people would probably think they were a deity or a, or a spiritual leader or something.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well, what-
- SBSteven Bartlett
If one person could do what you just said
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
... well, yeah. What we found was that it seems to be an act- action that is just part of the human makeup. And so it isn't like they're a super deity or a god-like or really off the charts. It's something that people can learn to do, like they can learn to play the piano or whatever is, for whatever reason.
- DFDan Farah
Maybe it was a skill set we all had long ago.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Now, now, now we have new, new, uh, you know, psychiatrists and neurophysiologists beginning to study, you know, how does consciousness, uh, do its thing in the brain and so on, and are there elements of it, uh, once you get into quantum theory and quantum entanglement, that would say you could have, uh, evidence, uh, you know, beyond just our physical structure.
- DFDan Farah
Like, it could be rationalized with, like, a quantum connection-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah
- DFDan Farah
... basically, the, the, the moving your mind's eye to another location, which also goes to, like [laughs] you know, Hal's life very interestingly, you know, first was the Stargate stuff, and then he got into UAP. And the overlap that I find fascinating is some of these craft that have been found or crashes that have happened, um, the reports from people involved say that a lot of them don't have any control panels in them.
- 1:18:20 – 1:22:03
Why Advanced Civilizations Might Still Use Pilots
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
And I, I was skeptical at the time, and, uh, I said, "Okay, well, we've got this super experiment where there's tiny quantum chip down inside of this electrical shielding, magnetic shielding, superconducting shielding. We wanna see if you can affect it." And he did. I mean, this is supposed to be-Totally non-affectable from, by anything on the outside. In fact, it was developed by the Navy to just look for corks and stuff like that. And so it was supposed to not be influenced from the outside by anything, and he influenced it. And when I say he influenced it, I'm not just saying there's a, a little blip that, you know, you can kinda read into it. No, it, it was a system where it ordinarily just had an oscillating signal like that, and then when he affect it, it just stopped the oscillation. And then he could also make the oscillation go twice as fast. And of course, poor graduate student whose life depended on this not being [laughs] affected from the outside, you know, really. But then they, uh, the, the, that, that, that raised a big issue for them that means, uh, "Gee, does that mean if we put, if we hide our documents inside of superconducting safes, uh, the Russians might be able to..." So actually, when we had d- detente, the American remote viewers got together with the Soviet remote viewers and traded war stories.
- DFDan Farah
[laughs]
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Did experiments together for a short period.
- DFDan Farah
You know, I, I'm, I think I'm naturally skeptical 'cause I'm skeptical with all things, but I'm often proven wrong. So, you know, my fiancée, she, um, she believed lots of things I don't believe, and so, so frequently she's been proven right in those things that I remain open-minded to things in life, 'cause I've learnt to. So I think that's where I remain. I remain open-minded. And I think on the balance of probability, if you ask me, do I think there's other life in the universe, I think it would be crazy to say there wasn't.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Right. Right.
- DFDan Farah
But, but has there been life that has arrived here that we've recovered? I just, I would need more evidence. Is there any-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
I, I thi- I think that's the right attitude, and we're hoping that, uh, with the release of documents that's starting to happen now, that you'll get that evidence. But in the absence of actually getting access to the evidence, it's very reasonable to, to be skeptical.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Absolutely.
- DFDan Farah
I do think, though, the, the current administration in the US is s- so focused on following through with this directive the president gave to, to get all the evidence within the possession of the federal government, all the different agencies, the military branches, and then figure out what can be declassified. I think they're taking it so serious that we're gonna, we're gonna get to more tranches of more meaningful evidence, and I think eventually we'll get to that thing that we've, that, that moment that we've all only seen in movies where a sitting president steps to a microphone and tells the world we're not alone in the universe. I think, I think we're gonna get there.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
I think so, too.
- DFDan Farah
Just a matter of time. Does it change the meaning of life if that becomes the case? Does it, does it mean anything for us as humans? What do you think the meaning of life is, Hal?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Well-
- DFDan Farah
And do you think that we should change our behavior in any way, even if this moment does occur?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
I think if we found out that there were life, uh, throughout the universe, that it's, uh, it, it can be developed in all kinds of forms, then, then that makes us, uh, take a new look at, well, what does it mean to be human? You know, we ought to think about, if we can, interacting with these other, uh, species and seeing what we can learn from them and what might they learn from us. And so it just opens up a whole new sort of view of what the universe i- is like. I mean, I've got, I've got 15 grandkids. [laughs] They should grow up in a
- 1:22:03 – 1:27:06
Would Discovering Alien Life Change The Meaning Of Life?
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
universe where it's teeming with life, and they know that, and that's a very, uh, kind of an exciting kind of thing.
- DFDan Farah
I think it also could be the one thing that could unify all of humanity.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yes.
- DFDan Farah
You know, Reagan gave a great speech during his presidency at the United Nations where he said he often thinks that it might be a threat from outside this universe that makes all of humanity come together and think more about what it has in common than, than its differences, um, and, you know, moves them past the, the, the, the conflicts of the moment. And that might be, you know, wishful thinking and might be naive, but it also might actually be [laughs] the one thing that could, that could line people up. How has it changed how you think about the, the meaning of life? Between what I've learned about the, the reality of the UAP situation and the existence of non-human intelligent life and what I've learned about, for example, remote viewing, it's made me realize that our sort of Western, present day view of reality is not complete, you know? We think we know everything there is, you know, to life and, and how things work, and we just don't. And when you're honest with yourself and you look back at history, all the times people thought that, they were, they were proven wrong pretty quickly.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And so it's made me open to a lot more possibilities, um, than, than I would have been just, just 10 years ago.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
I think it'd be a, a renaissance in, in our attitudes toward life and, and everything. Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
Are you both open to being wrong? Yeah. Look-
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Oh, sure
- DFDan Farah
... I should have said this early on. When I first started making my documentary, I was totally prepared to have people tell me, "Look, this is all bullshit. It was all a cover for our classified projects." Did they? No. No one did. That was the crazy thing. Not, not a single person did. I would, I was trying to pull it out of people. I'd be like, "You know, come on. This is really, this is, like, a black project, an unack- unacknowledged special access program, right? Like, just, just say nothing if that's the case." And they're like, "No, dude. Not, not even close." Like, it was o- over and over, and, and these weren't random people. These were, like, senior people on the Senate Intelligence Committee, on the Senate Armed Services Committee, um, leaders in, in the intelligence community, leaders in, in, in the military. And so, yeah, it's hard to ignore.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
Well, Trump has released the first round of the UAP reports, um, so I guess in many respects, this conversation is to be continued.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
Yes.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, yeah.
- HPDr. Hal Puthoff
It is.
- DFDan Farah
And we, we, we have been told by our friends in government that the next tranche of evidence is likely to come out in the next 30 days or so, and it's gonna be a rolling declassification process. So there'll be a lot more to talk about in the near future
- SBSteven Bartlett
Thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. I feel very-
- DFDan Farah
Thank you for your interest
- SBSteven Bartlett
... curious.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Very, very curious. And I, I highly recommend people go check out your documentary. I'm gonna link it below. Um, and w- I think one of the great things about the documentary is the diversity of people you've spoken to, including Marco Rubio, who is wor- now working alongside President Trump, and many others, including yourself, Hal. Um, and other guests that I've, people like Jay, who, um, I hope to speak to sometime soon.
- DFDan Farah
Cool. Okay. Thank you for having us. Thank you. And thank you for bringing attention to interesting topics like this. I really do think-
- SBSteven Bartlett
I'm just so curious. Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
Yes ... you know, you know, people like you are, are helping open people's minds. You know, in the past you only had, you know, it wasn't that long ago there was only four TV networks, right?
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
And a small group of legacy media people controlled what people thought about really.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
So people here are opening up everyone's minds to other possibilities and other information, and so thank you.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah. It's, it's, it's interesting, 'cause it [laughs] again, so- sometimes I ha- think I have to remind the audience of, like, why I do what I do and why I pick the subjects that I pick. But it's honestly just what I'm curious about. And if, if something rises in public curiosity and it's in my pu- my curiosity-
- DFDan Farah
Mm. Mm-hmm
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