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“They Wanted A Bad Guy, So I Became One” - Ryan Garcia

Ryan Garcia is a professional boxer and a WBC interim lightweight champion. What’s it like being the bad boy of boxing? Most people know Ryan Garcia from the chaos of his social media — the outbursts, controversies, and viral moments. But behind the headlines is still an elite fighter operating at the very top of the sport. So who is Ryan Garcia away from the internet? What’s it like living under that level of pressure, fame, and scrutiny whilst trying to remain a world champion? Expect to learn how Ryan grew up and why he started boxing from a very young age, the most memorable moments of Ryan’s career, when Ryan figured out his life trajectory had gone too far the wrong way, if anger really helps you as a boxer, Ryan’s thoughts on Jake Paul, Conor Benn, McGregor and others, if Ryan has fears about future CTE issues and much more… - Get 160+ lab tests for just $365 and save an extra $25 at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get a free bottle of D3K2, an AG1 Welcome Kit, and more when you first subscribe at https://ag1.info/modernwisdom Get 15% off your first order of my favourite Non-Alcoholic Brew at https://athleticbrewing.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom - 0:00 Do Boxers Actually Think in the Ring? 0:48 Can Ryan Remember His Fights? 4:10 The Sacrifices You Have to Make to Be the Best 7:44 Why Ryan Started Boxing 10:47 The Biggest Lessons From Ryan’s Career 12:17 When Ryan Realised He Was Crashing Out 18:57 The Story Behind the Bohemian Grove Vision 21:53 What Really Happens at Bohemian Grove? 26:22 Does Anger Make You a Better Fighter? 30:23 Will Ryan Fight Conor Benn? 32:32 Is the Zuffa Deal Good For Boxing? 38:11 The Main Reason Fights Don’t Happen 40:24 How the Ali Act is Changing Boxing 41:20 Is Jake Paul a Legitimate Boxer? 47:39 Are Mayweather and Pacquiao Past It? 51:00 How Ryan Changed His Attitude Towards Money 55:34 Why It’s So Important to Have a Good Team Around You 01:00:41 Could Conor McGregor Make a Comeback? 01:05:37 Is Ryan Worried About the Long-Term Impacts of Boxing? 01:09:35 How Boxers Stay Ready for Anything - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Chris WilliamsonhostRyan Garciaguest
May 14, 20261h 18mWatch on YouTube ↗

EVERY SPOKEN WORD

  1. 0:00 – 0:48

    Do Boxers Actually Think in the Ring?

    1. CW

      I'm fascinated by you saying that you don't think when you're in the ring.

    2. RG

      Mm-mm.

    3. CW

      What's happening?

    4. RG

      I'm just picking up on cues, really. Um, and then kind of like there's these instincts and intuition that are g- just kinda there, you know? Like, oh, may- like, you kinda get a feeling where, okay, I need to start putting pressure on this man, or I need to, you know, uh, move a little bit. It's just, like, kinda momentum shifts that you're kinda noticing little by little.

    5. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    6. RG

      And then, um, there's obviously times where I'm thinking. Like, sometimes I'll just have, like, mantras in my head, like, that I've done in camp, you know, uh, stay focused. Like, our last fight, the whole time when I was fighting him, I would just say, like, "Stay focused, stay focused, stay focused."

    7. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    8. RG

      You know? So it was just, like, little things that I would say in my mind, but I'm not really necessarily thinking.

    9. CW

      Mm. Not thinking.

    10. RG

      But thinking. [chuckles]

    11. CW

      But, yeah, of course.

  2. 0:48 – 4:10

    Can Ryan Remember His Fights?

    1. RG

      Yeah.

    2. CW

      Does that mean when you look back on a fight, how much of it can you remember?

    3. RG

      Mm, the pivotable moments, like, um, like my last fight, uh, I remember I started getting comfortable in, like, the 11th round, just messing with the guy, smacking him, looking at the trainer, and then lowering my hand a little bit and then, you know, tasting a right hand. And I was like, "Don't do that." [chuckles] And then kinda like snapping myself back in. So I remember those moments. I remember, you know, when I dropped him. But I mean, for the most part, I, I have to, like, look back at the fight to really recall most of it.

    4. CW

      Isn't that strange?

    5. RG

      It is weird.

    6. CW

      It's so strange. So I'm friends with musicians, comedians, sportspeople, and I do live stuff too, these conversations. Once you get into a flow state and you're not thinking that much and things are just happening-

    7. RG

      Yeah

    8. CW

      ... that's what people want to get to. It's really enjoyable. It's where your performance is at its best. You're moving quickly. Your brain isn't getting in the way of what you're supposed to do.

    9. RG

      Yeah.

    10. CW

      But it's also the thing that kind of robs you of your memory because you're not thinking-

    11. RG

      'Cause you're in the flow

    12. CW

      ... and you're just doing. Yeah. You're n- you, you can't remember. It's so funny. I mean, obviously your job is not to have a good time.

    13. RG

      Yeah.

    14. CW

      Your job is to win.

    15. RG

      Yeah.

    16. CW

      And winning requires you to be in the best state possible.

    17. RG

      Yeah.

    18. CW

      But it is funny that the mental state that humans perform best in is also the one that they can remember the least. So I wonder how many people that are elite performers, comedians, artists, musicians, sports stars, look back on their career and they go, "I'm glad that it was videoed, dude, 'cause I'm, I kind of wasn't really there for it all that much."

    19. RG

      Yeah. I mean, uh, it is interesting. Uh, but then also you have, like, guys like, um, I guess, I don't know if it's, like, necessary a sport, but you know, chess guys like, uh, Magnus Carlsen and just, like, all those top chess players, they could memorize games from, you know, when they were, like, five. And you're like-

    20. CW

      Mm

    21. RG

      ... "Oh, shit." Like, you know, where does that come from? [chuckles]

    22. CW

      That's a different kind of sport maybe, I suppose.

    23. RG

      It is. It is.

    24. CW

      Yeah.

    25. RG

      I mean, you have to use your brain there.

    26. CW

      Yeah. Yeah, but I, I wonder even if in that you go, okay, you know what the movements were, but can you tell me what you were thinking, how you were feeling, what you were wearing? Can you tell me where people were sat? Can you tell me what, what emotions were coming up? Maybe not.

    27. RG

      Mm.

    28. CW

      They're just optimized for one very specific thing, which is what are the exact movements on the chessboard.

    29. RG

      Right. Right. That's funny too.

    30. CW

      It's funny.

  3. 4:10 – 7:44

    The Sacrifices You Have to Make to Be the Best

    1. CW

      I didn't know that you started at seven years old-

    2. RG

      Yeah

    3. CW

      ... and got homeschooled so that you could spend more time boxing.

    4. RG

      Around, like, 15. That's when-

    5. CW

      Okay

    6. RG

      ... 16 I got homeschooled, yeah.

    7. CW

      Do you ever resent or regret missing out on a more normal childhood, your teenage years, teenage experience stuff?

    8. RG

      Mm. Do I regret it? Mm. No, but I, I do think it would've helped me if I went through that, you know, stuff earlier in life. I wouldn't have got into some stupid [chuckles] shit later on. You know what I mean? 'Cause I would've already had experience, a little bit of it, you know?

    9. CW

      Yeah.

    10. RG

      It's kind of like a... It helped me get to where I was at, but then I didn't have experience with, uh, with things that came with, you know, money, fame, all those other things.

    11. CW

      You wanna make teenage mistakes when you're a teenager, not when you're in your 20s.

    12. RG

      Exactly. Exactly. 100%.

    13. CW

      Mm.

    14. RG

      That's part of where I'm like, "Ah, maybe that could help me a little bit," but...

    15. CW

      Strange the sacrifices that you've gotta make in order to get to where you wanna be.

    16. RG

      Yeah.

    17. CW

      Like that.

    18. RG

      Yeah. I mean, everything in life, the greatest thing that came, uh, in this world came through a sacrifice, right? I mean, I believe in Jesus, so that to me shows that if you want anything in life, it has to require sacrifice in some way.

    19. CW

      Yeah.

    20. RG

      I don't know, you know, for other people obviously it's different. But for me, it was my childhood. It was, um, it was many hours of training as a little kid, running nonstop, you know, having to go to a bunch of tournaments and just, kind of just my whole life was just all boxing.

    21. CW

      Mm. What was a typical week like for you as a kid?

    22. RG

      Uh, just my dad would h- you know, have me train, uh, the whole week and then fight on the weekend. So that's-

    23. CW

      200 and something amateur fights.

    24. RG

      I had 225 amateur fights. Yeah, so it was a lot of, uh, road trips, a lot of, uh, a lot of gym sessions, and a lot of road work. [chuckles]

    25. CW

      Mm.

    26. RG

      Yeah, but to me it was fun. Like, I loved it. Going to the tournaments andHanging, excuse me, hanging out with all the kids, uh, you know, to me that was like the moment I had a little bit of childhood and [chuckles] you know, fun.

    27. CW

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    28. RG

      Was just those tournaments.

    29. CW

      Community.

    30. RG

      Yeah, exactly. The community of the sport. So that was fun. But yeah, everything requires sacrifice. Everything.

  4. 7:44 – 10:47

    Why Ryan Started Boxing

    1. RG

      not my thing."

    2. CW

      Your dad wanted to be a boxer, right?

    3. RG

      My dad was a, a boxer for a little bit, like an amateur fighter.

    4. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    5. RG

      It was my uncle that was kind of, uh, more, uh, I guess, uh, you know, I guess better.

    6. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    7. RG

      Um, he was, uh... He, he went to the nationals. He was the only one in my family that went to the nationals at that time. And, uh, he lost, but he said, you know, "Somebody in our family is gonna come back here." And, uh, you know, he always t- he always... Oh, I guess this is what he told me. He said that, you know, he would always look for when a kid was born, like, "All right, this is gonna be the one." And then he said, none of the, all the kids came and, you know, he was like, "Nope, nope, nope." And then he said when I was born, he was like, "All right, that's the one." That's insane. I know. I know. It doesn't fucking sound real.

    8. CW

      [laughs]

    9. RG

      But that's ex- that's what he said. Maybe he's just filling shit in my head so I could think.

    10. CW

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    11. RG

      You know, and it put-

    12. CW

      You were chosen

    13. RG

      ... and prepare, like, you know, propel me to be like, "Yeah, I'm the, I was always that guy."

    14. CW

      From birth.

    15. RG

      Yeah, exactly. But that's what he said.

    16. CW

      It's a good story.

    17. RG

      Yeah.

    18. CW

      So does it, does it ever feel like pressure to have, you know, the weight of a, a dad's maybe unfulfilled career and then an-

    19. RG

      And that's why, yeah

    20. CW

      ... uncle's partly fulfilled career?

    21. RG

      Yeah.

    22. CW

      All of this riding on your shoulders. Not only that, but all of the other kids that came and went, and it's like, "It's not you. It's not you."

    23. RG

      [laughs]

    24. CW

      "It's not you." It's like the Hunger Games inside of a single family.

    25. RG

      [laughs] Yeah. I mean, uh, I still feel pressure, you know, but I think that's why part, like, partly I dedicated this last fight to my dad for the, like, you know, my first world title. I really wanted just to win that for him. My whole reasoning for boxing just evolved over time. I always... You know, I was in love with the game, but then it kind of evolved to more, uh, spiritual journey of, you know, where I feel, uh, I'm being guided to. And however that is, you know, a lot of it is because of boxing. You know what I mean? Uh, and I don't know what the reasoning is, but I just like to follow that. So ever since I was little, I felt like, um, little nudges here or there. You know what I mean? I kinda trusted that and-

    26. CW

      Hmm

    27. RG

      ... always wanted to understand what that is and why every time I followed it, good things happen. You know what I mean? Even if I don't get it then. So that's kinda where I'm at of why I box. That's, like, actually the only reason why I box, is just 'cause it's always, that's what's in me right now. Maybe it'll take me somewhere else later, but right now it's like, this is where I'm at.

    28. CW

      There's something pulling you toward it.

    29. RG

      Yeah. Yeah. So, but, uh, you know, I'm happy I won the championship.

    30. CW

      Yeah.

  5. 10:47 – 12:17

    The Biggest Lessons From Ryan’s Career

    1. RG

      keep your-

    2. CW

      You seem very regulated today. You know, I've seen-

    3. RG

      Regulated? No.

    4. CW

      Regulated.

    5. RG

      Oh, yeah.

    6. CW

      Chill. You know, just in nice bit of peace.

    7. RG

      Yeah.

    8. CW

      I've seen you with varying levels of energy.

    9. RG

      Oh, I've had that many times.

    10. CW

      [laughs]

    11. RG

      Yeah, yeah. You don't wanna get me started. [laughs]

    12. CW

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still, like-

    13. RG

      No, but, but, you know, it's... Okay, man, I told you I had to learn a lot.

    14. CW

      Hmm. So what have you learned recently? Been a tumultuous few years for you.

    15. RG

      Right. I, I feel like what I've really learned is your body is, uh, literally a temple, and what you put in it is, uh, just as important as what you put out. [chuckles] You know what I mean? So, um, just that journey of understanding how my body works and what can, uh, propel it to be at its best. 'Cause usually, you know, when I was younger, man, I could put obviously anything in my body, and I would-

    16. CW

      You're made of rubber and magic.

    17. RG

      Weird.

    18. CW

      You could bounce back from-

    19. RG

      Exactly

    20. CW

      ... yeah, no matter what

    21. RG

      ... and I'm just, like, thinking I'm unstoppable. But God will humble you real quick. [chuckles] And, uh-

    22. CW

      God or your liver or your brain.

    23. RG

      Yeah. Oh, man, it comes in many ways. So, um, yeah, I just, just didn't like that certain things were taking me so much, like, you know, off course that much.

    24. CW

      Hmm.

    25. RG

      And, uh, it took a, uh, it took a while for me to re- be like, "All right, you're not Superman. You just gotta, you know..." You are Superman when you put the right things in you, right?

    26. CW

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    27. RG

      But you could go down just as quick, you know?

    28. CW

      Yeah. Well, everyone's got their kryptonite, right?

    29. RG

      Yeah.

    30. CW

      Even Superman.

  6. 12:17 – 18:57

    When Ryan Realised He Was Crashing Out

    1. RG

      go.

    2. CW

      Mm. You've said, uh, "I'm surprised I'm here right now."

    3. RG

      Yeah.

    4. CW

      In the past.

    5. RG

      Yeah.

    6. CW

      What-- Was there a specific moment when you realized that you'd gone too far, or did it just creep up over time?

    7. RG

      [inhales] Uh, I think that when, when, when you can no longer, you know, get a hold of yourself and, and see the decisions you're making that, that aren't good, and you can't see that anymore, I think that you've probably [chuckles] gone a little too far.

    8. CW

      Mm.

    9. RG

      You know, there was times where I was moving so fast that, you know, it just didn't seem like anything I was doing was wrong, but it was.

    10. CW

      What's that mean?

    11. RG

      I just felt like, I just felt like even though I'm not a prideful person, it was displaying as pride to myself. You know, now looking back, like, no, that, that means it was just being prideful. You know what I mean? Like, like it just didn't, it, it didn't hit me at the time, but, you know, I lost track of, of, of myself and who I really am.

    12. CW

      Mm.

    13. RG

      And then that's when I knew. I was like, "Oh, shit, this is not, this is not good." You know?

    14. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    15. RG

      And that's why I was surprised. Like, dang, I'm, I'm still here. You know what I mean? Like-

    16. CW

      And you had one of the roughest runs of form, like kid custody problem-

    17. RG

      Mm-hmm

    18. CW

      ... mum diagnosed with cancer, divorce, all basically at the exact same time.

    19. RG

      Yeah. [chuckles] Yeah.

    20. CW

      Like how does a person even process all that much at once?

    21. RG

      Uh, I didn't. [chuckles]

    22. CW

      Yeah.

    23. RG

      I just kinda shoved it down with, uh, alcohol and, uh, just acting out, trying to self-destruct anyway. So I'm like, "All right, everything's going bad. Let's, let's sink the whole ship."

    24. CW

      Just make it worse.

    25. RG

      Yeah. [chuckles] Let's just make it all worse, you know?

    26. CW

      Yeah.

    27. RG

      And, uh, I just... You know, I had just knocked out a man and beat him so bad while self-destructing that I was like-

    28. CW

      Mm

    29. RG

      ... "All right, I could do whatever."

    30. CW

      I can do this.

  7. 18:57 – 21:53

    The Story Behind the Bohemian Grove Vision

    1. CW

      When were you first exposed to that stuff?

    2. RG

      And, uh, I-- it's weird, man. So again, might not be believable, but I was like, in 2021 after I defeated Luke Campbell, I had a weird vision. Uh, I don't know how, but like I seen like... It was like some image playing in my mind, uh, and I just kinda followed it. I don't know why. But it was like a, a beast or some animal coming out of a sea, and then I seen like, uh, pretty much a bridge and I-- and in my mind I was like, "Okay, San Francisco." And then like it just showed like people in the woods, and then it showed people doing weird things and conjuring up weird things and doing weird things to like-

    3. CW

      Were you dreaming or were you awake?

    4. RG

      No, I was awake.

    5. CW

      Okay.

    6. RG

      Swear, it was so weird. Just the image playing in my brain.

    7. CW

      Hmm.

    8. RG

      And, uh, I looked into like, is there things in the woods in San Francisco? [chuckles] And it's like Bohemian Grove, and I was like, "Oh, shit." Like that's a weird thing to see. And then I look it up and there's actually people that come into the woods. That's like a strange coincidence. So I looked into it and, uh, yeah, then that's when you're seeing Alex Jones talking about it and, uh, all these conspiracy things. But then actually it was real. They do meet up in the woods and, uh, they sacrifice a... I mean, it's fake, right? It's effigies, but-

    9. CW

      Hmm

    10. RG

      ... sacrifice something to an owl-

    11. CW

      Hmm

    12. RG

      ... or whatever.

    13. CW

      Hmm. Hmm.

    14. RG

      So part of it is a little freaky that these politicians and people do meet in the woods, but-

    15. CW

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  8. 21:53 – 26:22

    What Really Happens at Bohemian Grove?

    1. CW

      at checkout. Some of the different stories I've heard, I don't know whether it was Alex Jones' retelling of it or maybe somebody else's that I've listened to. Sometimes I, I see stuff online and I hear stories, conspiracism or d- d- bad behavior, nasty behavior, immoral behavior. Uh, okay, that's, that's someone doing something wrong. And then there's other stories that I hear and it sounds f- I can't think of a better word, like cursed.

    2. RG

      Hmm.

    3. CW

      Like, like-

    4. RG

      Almost, uh, forbidden.

    5. CW

      Yes. Yes.

    6. RG

      Hmm.

    7. CW

      Yes. You go, "Okay, that's something else."

    8. RG

      Mm-hmm.

    9. CW

      And the Bohemian Grove story, whether how much of it's true or not, is one of those ones where I've just wanted to lean back a little bit further when I'm listening to it and I think-

    10. RG

      Yeah

    11. CW

      ... I really don't like this. I really, really, really don't like this.

    12. RG

      Yeah.

    13. CW

      I'm not too sure why.

    14. RG

      I feel that too [chuckles] at times. You're just like, "Oof."

    15. CW

      Yeah.

    16. RG

      And it's like, is it all just a distraction? Like do we even need to be paying attention to this? You know what I mean?

    17. CW

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    18. RG

      Like how much is it even relevant to, to... Like can we make a difference if even if they are doing something crazy wrong, you know?

    19. CW

      Well, uh-

    20. RG

      That's how I think of it sometimes.

    21. CW

      The d- certainly what seems to be happening at the moment, if you were to think about how little disclosure there was about this sort of stuff 15 to 20 years ago-

    22. RG

      Right

    23. CW

      ... compared with now, and let's say, let's say that there is some nasty stuff going on behind the scenes with people that are in power.

    24. RG

      Yeah.

    25. CW

      For the last 200 years, up until 20 years ago, you had a pretty clean run. Deny, control the media, uh, b- do it in different sorts of ways, have people killed off or, or pay people off or do whatever. That's not as easy to do because everyone's got democratized access to just, "Hey, I saw this thing and this is really fucking weird, and here's some evidence." And everybody else can go, "That is fucking weird."

    26. RG

      Yeah. [chuckles]

    27. CW

      "That is some evidence."

    28. RG

      Yeah.

    29. CW

      And it's... If I was a person in power that was doing loads of gnarly shit for the last 50 years, I'd be like, "Okay, we need to change our tactics."

    30. RG

      Mm-hmm.

  9. 26:22 – 30:23

    Does Anger Make You a Better Fighter?

    1. RG

      too.

    2. CW

      You said, um, you said for a good while that you were angry.

    3. RG

      Yeah.

    4. CW

      Does anger help you as a boxer?

    5. RG

      Not necessarily, but you do need an edge. You need some type of grit, and I don't know if that could come through anger or just motivation, but you need something that is, uh, fueling you. But, uh, I wouldn't say, like, [clears throat] rage is not good. Maybe a little anger can be good. But rage blinds you, and then you make mistakes and just, you know, are not focused. But you need some type of, like, "All right, motherfucker."

    6. CW

      Sharpness.

    7. RG

      Yeah. Yeah, a little, a little bit of, like, yeah, a tad bit anger, but more of a aggression.

    8. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    9. RG

      That's, that's the word I'm looking at. You need aggression a little bit.

    10. CW

      Mm.

    11. RG

      Yeah.

    12. CW

      What happens if you turn anger into aggression? Uh, sorry, if you turn aggression into anger and into rage, what do you lose? 'Cause for most people who don't fight-

    13. RG

      Yeah

    14. CW

      ... or fight at the level that you do, they might look from the outside and see two people that are trying to hurt each other and think, well, hurt is fueled by rage and anger and aggression.

    15. RG

      Yeah.

    16. CW

      But it seems like you must lose something as you move down that line toward sort of greater levels of extreme, extreme aggression.

    17. RG

      Yeah.

    18. CW

      So what do you lose?

    19. RG

      Well, what you lose is, um, that, that, uh, consciousness of a punch might come back. You know what I mean? Like, when you're focused and a little bit angry, you could still, you know, you could still read a punch. You could still, you know, counter-react. When you get angry and, like, that it's overtaking you, then you've lose sight of what could come back to you.

    20. CW

      Mm.

    21. RG

      It's like when you get too raged up and you wanna push somebody, you didn't see that, you know, there's a car about to pass by, you just pushed him into a car. You wouldn't necessarily wanted to kill him, but your anger, rage-

    22. CW

      Mm

    23. RG

      ... pushed you, and you didn't even see the car coming. So it's kind of like that.

    24. CW

      Narrows everything down.

    25. RG

      Yeah.

    26. CW

      Yeah.

    27. RG

      Yeah. Too much.

    28. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    29. RG

      You know? And then now you don't see what's coming at you on the other side, you know what I'm saying? Oh, man, boom, go crack. [chuckles]

    30. CW

      But it's interesting 'cause you see, I don't know, the-- Do you know Nicky Rod? Do you know who he is? Nicky Rodriguez. He's a Brazilian jujitsu guy. Um, I went to CGI, the Craig Jones Invitational, a year and a half ago. We sponsored it with Neutonic.

  10. 30:23 – 32:32

    Will Ryan Fight Conor Benn?

    1. RG

      Yeah.

    2. CW

      What's happening with Conor Benn? Talk to me.

    3. RG

      Oof. Yeah. That's, uh, that-That is being worked on. You know, me and my team, uh, we're, we're trying to, you know, finalize it and make it happen. It's a fight that I, I really want, but there's also other options, you know. So if it doesn't get done, you know, we're also looking at Rolly Romero and other, you know, opponents that, that we can fight. Um, but that fight I would love to make happen. I, I, I want that one bad. He's been a little too long. Uh, he actually came and confronted me at an event while I was with my wife, and it was just crazy.

    4. CW

      Recently?

    5. RG

      About a year and a half ago, and, uh, I still remember that. It's like, "Bro, we're all in suits. Calm down. Like, what are you doing? [laughs] Like, be professional, buddy. This is..." Like, it reminded me of the movie Southpaw, you know, when, uh, he gets confronted [laughs] and then she ends up getting shot. Like, bro, you need to chill. Um, but yeah, I, I, I would love to make that happen, but it's not done yet.

    6. CW

      What do you make of him as a fighter?

    7. RG

      I think he's a good fighter. Uh, he's too aggressive. [laughs] A little too aggressive.

    8. CW

      How so?

    9. RG

      Uh, he's a little reckless in the ring. Um, but I do think that he has a lot of tenacity, and he makes for a good fight and an entertaining fight every time-

    10. CW

      Mm

    11. RG

      ... he steps in the ring. But, uh, yeah, I will show him that, uh, there's definitely levels to this and, uh, yeah.

    12. CW

      Is, is he 135?

    13. RG

      I mean, he's number, he's number one. Uh, so he's my mandatory.

    14. CW

      Right.

    15. RG

      So, uh-

    16. CW

      But-

    17. RG

      Yep

    18. CW

      ... there's so many fucking politics and so much red tape in boxing that the number one-

    19. RG

      Yeah

    20. CW

      ... contender and the number one title holder-

    21. RG

      Yeah

    22. CW

      ... somehow can't make a fight work-

    23. RG

      You're right

    24. CW

      ... easily.

    25. RG

      Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's what, that's how it goes, man.

    26. CW

      Dude, boxing's so fucking complex.

    27. RG

      It's so complex, yeah. It is a little strange.

    28. CW

      Does the, do the politics get frustrating?

    29. RG

      It does.

    30. CW

      It gets frustrating for me as a fan.

  11. 32:32 – 38:11

    Is the Zuffa Deal Good For Boxing?

    1. CW

      What do you make of the Zuffa deal?

    2. RG

      Uh, that's, uh... It's a little weird.

    3. CW

      How so?

    4. RG

      I don't know. I don't kn- I don't know exactly what kind of changes they're trying to make to the Ali Act to benefit Zuffa or I don't know what they're trying to do, and I'm not saying I'm against Zu- Zuffa at all. I just wanna give it time before I even, like, wanna acknowledge it too much.

    5. CW

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    6. RG

      [laughs] 'Cause I don't know if it's gonna make us not get paid as much. I don't know if it's gonna make the sport better.

    7. CW

      Mm.

    8. RG

      So I kinda wanted to sit back and watch what kind of unfolds there.

    9. CW

      It is a funny sport from the outside to look at, at boxing, and I think what's particularly interesting is to see it when compared with, uh, other organizations, especially the UFC, but also stuff like ONE Championship, like even BKFC. W- there seems to be so much... I'll tell you a story. So I did a couple of degrees in the UK, and I went to what's called a, a Russell Group university, which is kind of like, um, Ivy League.

    10. RG

      Mm.

    11. CW

      Similar to the equivalent of an Ivy League in, in the US. So these are very long-established, old universities, and each time that I graduated, there was a graduation ceremony, and everyone's parents come, and you wear your silly robes and stuff, and you get your little certificate.

    12. RG

      Mm.

    13. CW

      I remember being there and watching this parade come in, and it was f- five, 10, 15 people who were all the different, the dean of the university and the vice chancellor, and one of them had a mace, like a medieval weapon.

    14. RG

      Mm.

    15. CW

      Uh, but like a symbolic version of a medieval-

    16. RG

      Yeah

    17. CW

      ... but an actual medieval weapon.

    18. RG

      Yeah.

    19. CW

      They all had to doff their caps to different people in different orders. I remember looking at it and going, "This is what happens when you have a country that's not been invaded for 1,000 years."

    20. RG

      [laughs]

    21. CW

      Right? Like when you have, uh, properly invaded.

    22. RG

      Yeah.

    23. CW

      Like it's just one culture that's been able to accumulate loads and loads of weird traditions.

    24. RG

      Yeah.

    25. CW

      And then the second time, which was a master's, was even more weird. There was more people, weirder outfits, more stuff going on.

    26. RG

      Mm.

    27. CW

      It, it was like a academic Bohemian Grove.

    28. RG

      Right, right, right.

    29. CW

      [laughs]

    30. RG

      Some type of rituals, yeah.

  12. 38:11 – 40:24

    The Main Reason Fights Don’t Happen

    1. CW

      What's the main reason that fights don't happen? Is it money disagreements?

    2. RG

      Uh, I would say splits, money, and some of these fighters overvalue themselves sometimes, or they act like they really wanna fight, but they really don't, so they hide behind the promoter and say, "Oh-

    3. CW

      "We couldn't make the deal work when secretly I just didn't wanna step in the ring."

    4. RG

      "... couldn't sing, I just didn't even wanna step in the ring." So a lot of it's that. I do think that boxing could become a little bit more, uh, slicker and sleek, like you said, with the, you know, UFC. Like, we could cut out a lot of the bullshit. [chuckles] You know, there's new ways to, to promote a fight than the standard bur, bur, bur, bur, bur, bur, bur.

    5. CW

      [laughs]

    6. RG

      Bur, bur. You know? I mean, but I feel like boxing, like a lot of people were trying to say it was dead and stuff, but I mean, we've been doing just fine. [chuckles] You know what I mean? Financially-wise, so I, I mean, it must be making some type of money 'cause a lot of these boxers are getting paid pretty well.

    7. CW

      Mm.

    8. RG

      But shoot, uh, I'm all up for change, but as long as it makes sense.

    9. CW

      Mm.

    10. RG

      As long as it's like, all right, we're evolving in the right direction and not like... I don't want it to become the UFC. That's what I'm saying. Like, Zuffa's cool, but, like, it looks too much like the UFC that I'm like, "Eh, not my vibe." And then you can't wear your own shorts. Like, bro, you're-- That's not-

    11. CW

      Sponsor money's gonna go away.

    12. RG

      Yeah. You, you won't get that out of me yet. You know, you're gonna have to... I don't know what you would have to pay me, but [chuckles] I just, I like the style of boxing. I like your own shorts. I like the walkouts. I like the, the grand entrances that you could do. You know, UFC is just the guy walking down like-

    13. CW

      That's right.

    14. RG

      I like the whole spectacle. I like the entertainment part of it.

    15. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    16. RG

      You know, it's fun, and if they take that away, I'm just gonna be like, "Ah, this isn't-"

    17. CW

      There's a difference between getting rid of the bullshit, but keeping the heritage-

    18. RG

      Yeah

    19. CW

      ... and respecting the tradition, right? You don't need to get rid of everything.

    20. RG

      No.

    21. CW

      But we can all say-

    22. RG

      There could be some fat cut off-

    23. CW

      Yeah

    24. RG

      ... for sure.

    25. CW

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    26. RG

      Yeah.

    27. CW

      Yeah, yeah.

    28. RG

      But don't, don't lose what makes

  13. 40:24 – 41:20

    How the Ali Act is Changing Boxing

    1. RG

      boxing boxing.

    2. CW

      What is the Ali Act? What are the changes? I haven't... I, I don't know this.

    3. RG

      [sighs] I, I don't know exactly what changes, but I know that... [sighs] I don't know if it's Dana White or... I know Nick Khan spoke at, uh, the Congress, and Oscar did f- Oscar on the side of not changing anything.

    4. CW

      Hmm.

    5. RG

      And then Nick was trying to change things. That's kind of what I got out of it. And then, um, something about how, um, it helps everything be transparent.

    6. CW

      Hmm.

    7. RG

      I know the Ali Act, like, they have to show the numbers and what-

    8. CW

      It's a financial decision.

    9. RG

      Exactly.

    10. CW

      Okay.

    11. RG

      And, and then I guess, I don't know if they're trying to change it where we don't get to be disclosed the numbers.

    12. CW

      Yeah.

    13. RG

      I can't... I don't wanna speak for it-

    14. CW

      Yeah

    15. RG

      ... 'cause I, I don't really necessarily know.

    16. CW

      Hmm. Interesting.

    17. RG

      But that was Oscar's point. Oscar's point was this was made to protect the fighters and make sure that everything's just transparent.

    18. CW

      Hmm.

    19. RG

      But

  14. 41:20 – 47:39

    Is Jake Paul a Legitimate Boxer?

    1. RG

      who knows?

    2. CW

      Talking of the money thing, a couple of years ago, you said that Jake Paul's not a real boxer.

    3. RG

      Yeah.

    4. CW

      Has that changed after his Joshua fight?

    5. RG

      No, he's definitely a real boxer, for sure. Um, he has balls, man. I mean, [chuckles] the fact that he fought Anthony Joshua is pretty fucking insane, uh, knowing that he's not even a heavyweight. So, nah, he's earned, he has definitely earned respect. Um, but I think, uh, it did humble him just a little bit, like-

    6. CW

      Getting your jaw shattered will typically humble somebody.

    7. RG

      Yeah. I mean, a broken jaw would probably be like, "All right, maybe I should shut my mouth 'cause I can't even move it." [both laughing] You know what I mean?

    8. CW

      But dude, I mean, I... The people who saw that happen and also saw his response, like, say what you want, dude, that was a fucking elite response to having your jaw cracked by a guy who's-

    9. RG

      What did he say?

    10. CW

      When he was on the ground.

    11. RG

      Oh, he's like-

    12. CW

      He was like, "Whoa, that was hard."

    13. RG

      Yeah. [laughs] Yeah.

    14. CW

      I fucking bet it was, dude.

    15. RG

      That is fucking funny. Nah, Jake's always been that type of dude, man. He, he doesn't miss a moment, that's for sure.

    16. CW

      Yeah. You remember when, uh-

    17. RG

      He's hyper-aware of that, that too. [chuckles]

    18. CW

      Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like the first assassination attempt for Trump-

    19. RG

      Hmm

    20. CW

      ... where immediately he's like, "I mean, I, I have just been shot a little bit, but this is a great opportunity." The same as Jake. It's like, "I think I might have broken my jaw, and I'm definitely knocked down, but this is a great opportunity [chuckles] for a fucking quote."

    21. RG

      Right. Right. This is probably a, you know, a clip farm moment. [chuckles]

    22. CW

      Yep. Yeah, yeah. That, that awareness is-

    23. RG

      Yeah.

    24. CW

      But I, uh-I mean, he's got that deal now with Netflix. Uh, so money-

    25. RG

      With his own promotion.

    26. CW

      Yes.

    27. RG

      That's pretty sick, man.

    28. CW

      As somebody who's not a boxer-

    29. RG

      Yeah

    30. CW

      ... right, to come in and do it, that's-

  15. 47:39 – 51:00

    Are Mayweather and Pacquiao Past It?

    1. RG

      I'm all for it.

    2. CW

      What do you make of the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight?

    3. RG

      Oh, it's ridiculous. It's truly ridiculous. [laughs] Like, I, I, I mean, I don't really wanna see that. You know, their... The first fight was kinda boring. The second fight should be even more boring. You know, they're not even close to their prime. Um, it's kind of sad. Like, why do they feel like they need to do that? Like, are they broke? You know, there would only be a, like, a couple reasons why they would wanna do that.

    4. CW

      Didn't Pacquiao just buy Mayweather's gym and take a photo outside of the-

    5. RG

      Yeah

    6. CW

      ... the sign?

    7. RG

      I don't know if that was... I think he bought his franchise.

    8. CW

      Right.

    9. RG

      You know. But-

    10. CW

      And Pacquiao's essentially royalty-

    11. RG

      Yeah. Oh, Pacquiao-

    12. CW

      ... to his people.

    13. RG

      I mean-

    14. CW

      So I j- I just don't get the sense that he's broke, but-

    15. RG

      I don't think Pacquiao's broke. I don't think he can go broke 'cause people love him in the Philippines. Like, they'll always take care of him.

    16. CW

      Correct.

    17. RG

      You know what I mean?

    18. CW

      He's essentially the king.

    19. RG

      Yeah, exactly. Uh-

    20. CW

      Exactly.

    21. RG

      Mayweather, I've heard things.

    22. CW

      I've watched-

    23. RG

      But I don't know if he's broke

    24. CW

      ... dude, I've watched a couple of YouTube videos that break down the burn rate that Mayweather's got, and, uh-

    25. RG

      I just... I mean, it's really probably his security. I mean, to have tw- 'cause I had, I used to have 24 security for, like, three months, and I seen the check. I'm like, "Okay, no."Absolutely not

    26. CW

      How much is three months of 24/7 security for somebody like you?

    27. RG

      I, I mean, in the six figures, 'cause it's 24/7. And I was like, "Bro, this is ridiculous." And I... 'Cause I, I, I needed security. I forgot why. Some shit was just going down, and I was like, "All right, I'll pay for it." But then I'm like, I look after the three months, I'm like, "No."

    28. CW

      I look after myself, dude.

    29. RG

      And I'm like, "Yeah, I'll just never use security." [laughs] Like, I'm cool.

    30. CW

      I'll be okay.

  16. 51:00 – 55:34

    How Ryan Changed His Attitude Towards Money

    1. CW

      how do you think about that? How do you think about avoiding getting the, the financial thing too messy, the team growing too much, people who don't have your best interests at heart, this aided by the fact it's a family matter?

    2. RG

      Mm. I got lucky because I had to learn that lesson early. You know what I mean? I got paid a lot of money when I was, like, 20. I started getting paid, like, I, I already made, like, my first million at, like, 19 and 20.

    3. CW

      Yeah.

    4. RG

      So I learned quick how fast money can go, and you're just like, "Wow, I had a mil... No, I don't." [both laughing] I was like-

    5. CW

      I swear I had a million

    6. RG

      ... they definitely said that in my account, but now it's gone. Um, yeah, you just realize taxes is a real thing, and you're like, "Ah, God, like, I can't really be buying all that." You know what I mean? I, I was like, I bought every car I wanted, and then I realized this is stupid, and then, then I went through a little gambling type of thing I like to do, and then I was like, "This is even more stupid-

    7. CW

      Yep. Yep

    8. RG

      ... than the car thing."

    9. CW

      Yeah. That whole thing was stupid because you did it.

    10. RG

      Yeah.

    11. CW

      Yeah.

    12. RG

      And then you kinda just realize, like, all of it's pretty dumb. Yeah.

    13. CW

      Yeah.

    14. RG

      That this is a, a waste of money and nobody really even cares and, and it's just like, it's just like all just, like, stupid at the end of the day. It's like all material- materialistic things that you don't really get anything out of it. I mean, unless you're trying to impress a girl or whatever. [laughs]

    15. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    16. RG

      That's maybe it, and most girls, like-

    17. CW

      The ones that are impressed by that stuff are probably not the ones that-

    18. RG

      Are probably not the ones that you wanna be, be around. But yeah, I kinda learned all that quick, and then, uh, and then I just have a good, good, good squad, good, good team around me that cares, and they don't want me to go broke, and I don't wanna go broke one day.

    19. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    20. RG

      It's too many stories like that. Mike Tyson ran through 100 mil and, and he ran it back in the '90s, so fuck.

    21. CW

      Yeah. What's that worth today?

    22. RG

      [laughs] It's probably-

    23. CW

      200, 250, something like that.

    24. RG

      Yeah. So-

    25. CW

      Yeah, that's serious money.

    26. RG

      Yeah. Yeah, I, I don't wanna end up like that, so I just kind of... I, I, I just know that I have to be focused and keep my head straight and, uh, and just try my best to, to not make any big financial mistakes anymore.

    27. CW

      Don't make any mistakes.

    28. RG

      You know?

    29. CW

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, again, you know, in some ways, I suppose learning that lesson, go- going from lots to not so much-

    30. RG

      Yeah

  17. 55:34 – 1:00:41

    Why It’s So Important to Have a Good Team Around You

    1. CW

      I'm friends with a couple of guys at the moment who are, um, really trying to get their lives together but have a, a, like, very high level of exposure.

    2. RG

      Mm-hmm.

    3. CW

      And a couple of them are, in the same way that you had your 24/7 security, they basically have 24/7 lifestyle watches-

    4. RG

      [chuckles]

    5. CW

      ... to ensure that they don't go off the rails.

    6. RG

      Oh, that's wild.

    7. CW

      Imagine like a s- a sponsor.

    8. RG

      Yeah.

    9. CW

      To kind of, but they're also a coach, assistant, driver. Like just, "Hey, we need to make sure that you don't fuck up." Like, that's how tight the set of r- uh, train tracks are that they're on.

    10. RG

      I kind of like that.

    11. CW

      It's a-- I mean, it's not bad. You guys do it for a training camp, right?

    12. RG

      Yeah, yeah.

    13. CW

      We're gonna bring everybody in.

    14. RG

      The whole team there, yeah.

    15. CW

      It's an intense thing. There's no moment, unless you wanna be alone, that you are alone. There's always someone to-

    16. RG

      It's very true, yeah

    17. CW

      ... keep... Uh, you know, I did a, a tour around Australia, New Zealand, and Bali doing a live show.

    18. RG

      Mm-hmm.

    19. CW

      And I realized that I was trying to think about, um, people that spend time on the road, the ones that are the happiest and have the best mental health, and the ones that are the unhappiest. And I think that you have bands who have objectively a pretty shitty lifestyle: tour bus, sleeping in a tiny bunk. Even a really, really good band, if you're on a proper tour, you're going from Dallas to San Antonio to Houston back to back to back with shows, you're in a bus, dude. And there's only so nice that a bus can be, and if it's a big band, you're in a bus sleeping on top of each other.

    20. RG

      Right.

    21. CW

      Like even good big bands.

    22. RG

      [chuckles]

    23. CW

      So, and I-- but they seem to be pretty happy.

    24. RG

      Mm.

    25. CW

      And then you think next step down might be comedians, and I think that comedians have a little bit more room. They don't need as much crew with them. But the problem is, because you don't have as many crew people with you, you're on your own more.

    26. RG

      Yeah.

    27. CW

      Maybe you got a warm-up, maybe you got a tour manager.

    28. RG

      Yeah.

    29. CW

      But, you know, the mid-level, good quality comedians, most of the ones that I know that are doing gigs around the US, they're like, "I get on a flight on my own, and, uh, you know, maybe I'll fly in business, maybe not. I get probably in business or whatever, but-

    30. RG

      Yeah

  18. 1:00:41 – 1:05:37

    Could Conor McGregor Make a Comeback?

    1. CW

      I'm interested in what you think about Conor McGregor's trajectory, 'cause you're both guys who fight. You're both guys that have partied-

    2. RG

      Mm

    3. CW

      ... and that like to party.

    4. RG

      Mm-hmm.

    5. CW

      What's your perspective on his journey?

    6. RG

      Uh, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's one of those ones that, you know, see, did he learn too late, you know? You know, obviously we were talking about how, like, I'm happy that I learned, you know, as, you know, younger person. It seems that, you know... I want him to be back though. I want him to be back, but I also know that, like, how old is he?

    7. CW

      30, probably five now, something like that.

    8. RG

      Yeah, that it's a little tougher to rebound.

    9. CW

      Yeah.

    10. RG

      You know? Um, but he's one of those people that, you know, he, he's a icon to his sport. He's j-

    11. CW

      He's a fucking man, dude

    12. RG

      ... he's just a fucking G, you know what I mean? And I want him to really be-- Like I, I want what path he's on to be s- Like I want that to be real. Like if it's, uh, if it's his path with God and if he's found faith and, uh, and that's where, you know, he feel like his, his motivation is driving, hopefully it's real. You know, I want it, I want whatever he's gonna do, I want it just to be real.

    13. CW

      Hmm.

    14. RG

      I want him to fight. Keeps on talking about a comeback, doesn't happen.

    15. CW

      How long has that been going on for now?

    16. RG

      Three years, four years, right? Or I don't know.

    17. CW

      Longer. It might, it might be-- You could tell me it's been five years since he fought and I'd go, "Oh, yeah."

    18. RG

      Yeah. I wouldn't know. Yeah.

    19. CW

      Yeah. I can't remember.

    20. RG

      Me neither.

    21. CW

      And it's not as if the last few fights have been exactly drenched in glory-

    22. RG

      Mm-mm

    23. CW

      ... either. One stoppage, like injury stoppage or whatever it was, and then Khabib, and then, I don't know, it's just-

    24. RG

      I think Dustin.

    25. CW

      Yeah, just, ah.

    26. RG

      I don't know. It's just so-

    27. CW

      It's such a shame, dude.

    28. RG

      Yeah.

    29. CW

      It's such a fucking shame. And the more that I think about it, the more... It's just-- Sometimes I think about different versions of the universe-

    30. RG

      Yeah

  19. 1:05:37 – 1:09:35

    Is Ryan Worried About the Long-Term Impacts of Boxing?

    1. RG

      Yeah.

    2. CW

      Are you worried? Are you conscious around long-term health stuff? We talk a l- we hear a lot about CTE-

    3. RG

      Yeah

    4. CW

      ... about TBI, about brain health.

    5. RG

      Yeah.

    6. CW

      How much does that factor in as a, somebody that's been doing this since seven years old? This talk, I imagine when you were-- The CTE talk would've only come in in your teens.

    7. RG

      Yeah.

    8. CW

      Like to have been really, uh-

    9. RG

      Yeah, I mean-

    10. CW

      ... high levels of awareness

    11. RG

      ... honestly, once, uh, it kinda got big with, uh, football, I forgot what year that was. That was kind of the year that everybody started questioning, like, "Oh, shit," like, "We should probably all start thinking about our health." [chuckles] But it's, uh, it's also like, "Look, man, uh, I've already accepted whatever happens to me."

    12. CW

      Hmm.

    13. RG

      "It's okay." I just try my best to not look into to that type of future, but if it happens, I hope that the people that love me take care of me. That's it. [chuckles]

    14. CW

      That's-- You're just happy for that to be a side effect of your chosen career?

    15. RG

      Yeah, because I, I try to put all my decisions, uh, and let it be guided by God. So if that's just, uh, the nature of what I've chosen to do and what I felt like was the right thing to do-

    16. CW

      Hmm

    17. RG

      ... that's just what it is. And there's really nothing I could do about it. I mean, if I had boxing since I was seven.

    18. CW

      Avoid getting hit would be a good start.

    19. RG

      Oh, yeah, for sure. Um, and I try my best to, you know what I mean? Obviously, I'm stillFeeling clean. Never broke my nose, thank God. You know what I mean? So I'm doing pretty good in that, in that aspect. But like I said, i- if it happens, it happens, but I hope not.

    20. CW

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    21. RG

      I don't know if-

    22. CW

      ... memory loss stuff?

    23. RG

      I don't know if... No. Uh, I just feel like I've always had mental health problems. I don't know if it comes from boxing, but-

    24. CW

      Mm

    25. RG

      ... you know, a little, you know, anxiety sometimes, um, a little bit of, like, bipolar-ness, but I've always kinda been that way. [chuckles] Like, I don't know. I don't-

    26. CW

      I don't think you get to-

    27. RG

      Yeah

    28. CW

      ... the level of obsession and focus-

    29. RG

      Without having a little bit

    30. CW

      ... that you need without having something in there. You mentioned edge.

  20. 1:09:35 – 1:18:40

    How Boxers Stay Ready for Anything

    1. RG

      study that aspect.

    2. CW

      Can you remember a position, is there one that comes to mind that you spent a long time thinking about that then ended up being an unlock? Is there a particular sequence that you th- that you spent a good bit of time on?

    3. RG

      Yeah, I re- I, even when I was, like, young, I remember this, I was sparring this kid, and he kept catching me, kept catching me. And I was like, I remember going back home and just thinking about it for, like, two hours, three hours. Like, "Why is he catching me with that?" And then I, I, I, I had remembered, I overthought about it so much that I was like, "All right, Dad." Like, I called my dad to the room. I said, "Call him back." Like, "I have something for him." Like, "Let's go." And he goes, "Are you sure?" Like, "He was pretty much whooping your ass." [chuckles] Like, "Uh, let's just wait a little bit." I was like, "No, call him the next day. I figured something out." And it was a, when he would step forward, he would show his jab. So, like, uh, he would step and then show the jab. So I had caught onto it in my brain when I was replaying it. So I told my dad, "Every time he makes that move, I'm gonna cut to the, to the right and hit him with a right hand, and I guarantee you he won't stop that 'cause he can't stop doing this." So every time he came in, a huh, and I would catch him. And my dad was like, "How did you figure that in a day?"

    4. CW

      Mm.

    5. RG

      I was like, "I don't know. I just kept thinking about it." Like, he kept on catching me with that shot, but there has to be something that, like, I'm doing wrong or I'm not reading or something. And my dad's al- he always thinks about that story. He's like, "That's how I knew, like, you're different." [chuckles] 'Cause I w- I could come back the next day and it'll, I'll be a whole different fight. Like, I don't know how, but I just like, the next day, like, the guy, if he thinks he got an edge, like, bro, I've been thinking about this all day.

    6. CW

      Hmm.

    7. RG

      That's why I try to tell my little brother, like, after sparring, you need to just think. Like, go in your room and just think, think, think. Like, "Why did this happen? Why did that happen?" Like, like, "What, what was he doing that was throwing me off?" There was a couple instances like that in the ring. It's like, "Hmm, there has to be something here." You know what I mean? So yeah, I've, I've learned so much things in boxing. Like, just the whole aspect of it. It's like, it's almost like music notes. I started learning that, like, like when you're in the ring, it's like boom, boom, boom, boom. And then when something feels off, that means 'cause some note was off. You know what I mean? Like some movement. Okay. Oh, I read that wrong. Mm, that's where it was. Okay, boom. So it's like, it really is like a whole level of just, like, beautifulness. Like I, that's why I said I really love boxing. There's so much little things in it that, like, get me excited.

    8. CW

      It's so fun. Have you been able to do that during any of your fights as a professional, or have there been... How often are you surprised by that? You say most of the time, presumably, you're studying tape, you're thinking, you're bringing fighters into the, the gym and the camp that replicate the style that you're probably going to face. The whole game is to not be surprised-

    9. RG

      Yeah

    10. CW

      ... when you get in there. But presumably, that's what the other guy's doing too.

    11. RG

      Yeah.

    12. CW

      Which means that they're trying to come up with something that you don't yet know, which might surprise you.

    13. RG

      Yeah.

    14. CW

      Which means that you need to go back and you've got, forget two hours in a day.

    15. RG

      Yeah.

    16. CW

      You've got a minute in the corner to be like-

    17. RG

      Yeah, how about-

    18. CW

      ... why is that thing happening? Is there, have you ever had that happen as a pro?

    19. RG

      No, honestly, I haven't. I, it's been more of, so, like, when I'm on point and, like, when, you know, I'm in a good mental space, nothing will surprise me because it's like I've already been thinking about s- like, I've been looking at every scenario. Like, the times I've lost, um-I literally, I, it comes from a place of, like, self-sabotage and, like, I wasn't even in the camp. I was just kinda letting the day go by and just kind of, like, not being there. And I know it probably sounds like an excuse, but that's just what it was. Um, were they the better fighters that night? For sure, and I always give them credit on that. But, you know, me at my best is, uh, when I'm thinking like this, when I'm paying attention to every day, when I'm-- everything is, uh, s- like, intentional. Like, when I wake up, how I woke up was intentional.

    20. CW

      Not on the phone.

    21. RG

      Not on the phone. I, I'm reading things. I'm letting, you know, that inner wisdom just kind of flow me through the day.

    22. CW

      Mm.

    23. RG

      You know what I mean? I'm, I'm on track. Uh, when it's like that, it's hard to surprise me 'cause, uh, I've been paying attention to everything, so... But now when I fight somebody, it's like, what surprises me is like, "Oh, wow, they're really talented." Like, [chuckles] they're fast. That's cool. You know what I mean? Like-

    24. CW

      Yeah

    25. RG

      ... it won't be, like, a move or, like, a, a shot that will surprise me. It'd just be like, "Oh, this guy, he's on top of his game. That's cool." You know what I mean? But as far as, like, a technique or anything, it's kinda-- it'd be hard to surprise me.

    26. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    27. RG

      But, uh, I feel like I've surprised people 'cause [chuckles] a lot of people, they'd be seeing that move, they're like, "Where, where do you even come up with that stupid move?" I, it looks stupid, but am I getting hit? [chuckles] 'Cause I've been thinking about this. I've been-- Like Mayweather, he does a shoulder roll, but he hides behind it a lot, and people think I-- like, they, they call me out for turning my back, but I'm just giving them the side, and then you can't really hit me on it. But everybody makes fun of me on it. But I have not got hit once doing it. So guys, come on. You called, you called the silly show. They called it the silly show.

    28. CW

      Right.

    29. RG

      It's all good. [chuckles]

    30. CW

      You're there to do a job, dude.

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