All-In Podcast

E141: State of Series A's, VC dry powder, IPO window opens + more with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner

David Friedberg and Bill Gurley on venture Reset: Series A Reality, Dry Powder Myths, IPO Reckoning Arrives.

David FriedberghostChamath PalihapitiyahostJason CalacanishostDavid SackshostBill GurleyguestBrad GerstnerguestDavid FriedberghostBrad Gerstnerguest
Aug 11, 20231h 35m
Current state of Series A and seed/early-stage venture fundingLate-stage unicorn distress, complex cap tables, and recap/IPO mechanicsThe reality of VC ‘dry powder’ and LP–GP incentives and constraintsReopening of the IPO window and the coming wave of ‘down-round IPOs’Public vs. private returns, venture overfunding, and benchmark comparisons (QQQ, NASDAQ)Macroeconomic backdrop: disinflation, effective interest rates, and record debt levelsBiographies, career advice, and how great operators and investors hone their craft

In this episode of All-In Podcast, featuring David Friedberg and Chamath Palihapitiya, E141: State of Series A's, VC dry powder, IPO window opens + more with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner explores venture Reset: Series A Reality, Dry Powder Myths, IPO Reckoning Arrives The episode brings Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner together with the All-In crew to dissect today’s venture landscape, from Series A dynamics to late-stage distress and the reopening IPO window. They argue that while new early-stage deals have stabilized near pre-pandemic norms, hundreds of overvalued 2020–2021 ‘unicorns’ now face painful down rounds, structural cap-table problems, or forced IPOs. The group unpacks the misconception of VC “dry powder,” explaining LP constraints, distorted marks, and why many funds are deliberately deploying slowly. They also touch on the macro backdrop—disinflation, rising effective rates, record debt—and sprinkle in discussions on biographies, craft, and career advice as context for how great investors and operators think.

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Venture Reset: Series A Reality, Dry Powder Myths, IPO Reckoning Arrives

  1. The episode brings Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner together with the All-In crew to dissect today’s venture landscape, from Series A dynamics to late-stage distress and the reopening IPO window. They argue that while new early-stage deals have stabilized near pre-pandemic norms, hundreds of overvalued 2020–2021 ‘unicorns’ now face painful down rounds, structural cap-table problems, or forced IPOs. The group unpacks the misconception of VC “dry powder,” explaining LP constraints, distorted marks, and why many funds are deliberately deploying slowly. They also touch on the macro backdrop—disinflation, rising effective rates, record debt—and sprinkle in discussions on biographies, craft, and career advice as context for how great investors and operators think.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

7 ideas

Series A has cooled but remains competitive, especially outside AI.

Median Series A rounds and valuations are down versus 2022, yet Bill Gurley notes the market has not reverted to 2010-era austerity—top-tier A rounds, particularly in AI and infrastructure, still see strong competition and elevated pricing.

Many ‘unicorns’ are structurally trapped and will need painful resets.

Companies that raised huge late-stage rounds at extreme valuations now have complex cap tables and large liquidation preference stacks; new private money often avoids these situations, pushing them toward recaps or down-round IPOs to ‘clean up’ and reset reality.

VC ‘dry powder’ is committed, not sitting in GP bank accounts.

Capital is called from LPs over years, not front-loaded, and LPs face their own liquidity, denominator, and bonus-linked marking incentives—so the idea of a guaranteed wall of money rushing back into startups is overstated.

Fund deployment pace is slowing as GPs protect franchise survival.

Younger funds and expanded platforms are stretching out deployment (e.g., 3–4 years) because running out of capital without realizations could jeopardize their ability to raise the next fund; “going slow” is a rational survival move.

The IPO window is cracking open—expect both premium and down-round IPOs.

With software multiples normalized and M&A constrained by regulators, high-quality names like ARM and Instacart are preparing to go public, often at major discounts to their last private valuations, which will reset cap tables and reprice late-stage paper.

For LPs, venture must beat liquid tech indices, not just the S&P.

The group highlights data showing that simply owning and rebalancing into top tech names or QQQ produced massive multi-decade returns; illiquid VC needs to clear a high bar (e.g., ~7x over 10 years) to justify its risk and illiquidity.

Macro signals show disinflation alongside very tight financial conditions.

Core CPI is rolling over, yet the San Francisco Fed’s ‘effective funds proxy rate’ suggests the true tightness (rates plus QT) is at its highest since 2000, while household, government, and revolving debt are at records—raising recession and consumer stress risks.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The number of private unicorns briefly exceeded the number of public tech companies over a billion dollars.

Bill Gurley

Underperforming companies that were valued over a billion dollars are dead on arrival until you get to a market-clearing price.

Brad Gerstner

Any tech venture investor who compares their fund’s return to the S&P is being naive or disingenuous. The correct index to compare to is the QQQ.

Brad Gerstner (quoting and discussing Gokul Rajaram’s tweet)

The venture capital markets have stabilized for funding new companies, but we’re going to have a one- to two-year period of distress for all those bubble companies.

David Sacks

If you strip the peak years out of a 40-year assessment, venture is actually not that interesting an asset class.

Bill Gurley

QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN THIS EPISODE

5 questions

How should founders of 2020–2021 ‘unicorns’ think strategically about choosing between a recap, a down-round IPO, or a sale in this environment?

The episode brings Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner together with the All-In crew to dissect today’s venture landscape, from Series A dynamics to late-stage distress and the reopening IPO window. They argue that while new early-stage deals have stabilized near pre-pandemic norms, hundreds of overvalued 2020–2021 ‘unicorns’ now face painful down rounds, structural cap-table problems, or forced IPOs. The group unpacks the misconception of VC “dry powder,” explaining LP constraints, distorted marks, and why many funds are deliberately deploying slowly. They also touch on the macro backdrop—disinflation, rising effective rates, record debt—and sprinkle in discussions on biographies, craft, and career advice as context for how great investors and operators think.

Given LP denominator problems and over-allocation to illiquid assets, how will the LP mix (endowments vs. pensions vs. sovereign wealth funds) reshape which VC firms survive and thrive?

For a new fund manager today, what is the optimal deployment pace and fund size to balance performance potential against franchise risk?

How can startup CEOs practically transition from ‘growth at all costs’ cultures to disciplined, efficient execution without losing ambition or morale?

If liquid tech indices like QQQ keep outperforming, what structural changes—if any—should be made to the venture model to remain a justified asset class?

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