From journalist to app developer using Claude Code

So you have actually named your Claudes, and then you give them instructions to listen to each other.

Yes. They have to talk to each other. One is called, the builder app is called Bob, Bob the Builder, and he's got instructions to stop constantly, and you have to run everything by Ray, who's the review agent. Ray's job is senior software engineer who is obsessed with security. He reviews code at milestones, guards security architecture. And then the third agent is me. I am the person who breaks the tie that often happens between Bob wanting to do something and Ray saying you can't do it.

And you are doing all of this as someone who has not spent their career as a software engineer.

For a while, I thought I'm like a mediocre PM, and then I was like, no, maybe I'm more like an architect, and now I realize, like, an architect actually knows real details. A PM is, like, super rigid, and keeps the entire app in their head, and they're able to really prioritize well. I'm a bad prioritizer. All I am is a really picky customer. So I think that is, like, the role of the vibe coder is what do I care about deeply? I'm, like, walking through this house, and I'm telling the architect, "Nope, I want this room blue. I know you don't think it's a good idea. I'm telling you this is what I want."

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