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99% of Drone Companies Will Die & Why Anduril’s Products Aren’t an Ethics Debate | Matthew Steckman

Matthew Steckman is the President and Chief Business Officer of Anduril. Matt played a central role in securing the $20BN contract Anduril just won with the US military. Prior to Anduril, Matt served as Chief Revenue Officer for Zipline. Before Zipline, Matt held several leadership positions at Palantir. ---------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:21 What Do Most Defense Founders Get Completely Wrong? 08:42 Can You Build a Billion-Dollar Defense Company Without the US? 09:52 Anduril's $20BN Army Contract Broken Down 14:52 Why Government Contracts Are Brutal (And Why Most Fail) 15:56 How Does Anduril Predict Wars Before They Happen? 18:32 Why Cyber Warfare Is the Most Dangerous Battlefield No One Understands 21:51 Why Defense Startups Must Go Wide 26:13 How Anduril Decides Where to Deploy $100M+ Product Bets 35:28 Should Builders Control How Their Weapons Are Used? 39:36 What Would Anduril Buy If They Had an Unlimited Checkbook? 46:22 Why Anduril Must Go Public 51:55 Quick-Fire Round: The Future of War, VC Mistakes & Career Advice ----------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Anduril Industries on X: https://twitter.com/anduriltech Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #matthewsteckman #defensecompany #anduril #drones #cyberwarfare

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CHAPTERS

  1. Anduril’s leadership chemistry: friendship, continuity, and outside–inside perspective

    Steckman explains why Anduril’s founding/leadership team has stayed intact and how deep personal bonds help withstand the stress of defense contracting. He emphasizes the advantage of combining outsider tech thinking with insider knowledge of how defense customers actually buy and fight.

    • Same core leadership team since founding; trust and resilience come from real friendships
    • Defense requires both disruptive commercial perspective and deep customer/mission understanding
    • “Thinking around corners” matters because defense markets are full of headwinds and hidden constraints
    • A blended outside–inside approach reduces naive mistakes and accelerates credibility
  2. Why most defense startups fail: missing disciplines, reinventing old ideas, and tiny real markets

    The conversation turns to common red flags in new defense companies, especially drone startups. Steckman argues many founders underestimate how much already exists (often since the 1950s–60s) and overestimate addressable market—confusing a single contract with an enduring business.

    • Defense company success is multidisciplinary; missing any key function can sink a program capture
    • Founders often pitch “new” ideas that were invented decades ago; lack of inside knowledge creates blind spots
    • Biggest investor trap: overstated TAM and dependence on one contract/program
    • A single large win is not necessarily a durable company
  3. You can’t build a major defense company without the US (and why Europe fragments demand)

    Steckman is blunt that a large US business is essentially required to build a major defense prime, since the US represents roughly half of global defense spending. Europe is not a unified market in defense; each nation’s sovereignty and industrial policy narrow opportunities quickly.

    • ~50% of defense spend is US; excluding it cuts off scale from day one
    • Europe isn’t a single buyer—each country has distinct agendas and “sovereign” champions
    • A “European TAM” often collapses into a single-country TAM (e.g., France-only)
    • Customer reality should drive market sizing, not headline geopolitics
  4. Inside Anduril’s $20B contract: a contracting vehicle, not guaranteed revenue

    He breaks down the headline $20B award as a “credit card limit” style contracting vehicle with no obligated funds upfront. The point is to reduce procurement friction by doing repeated evaluation/contracting steps once, letting multiple government buyers access Anduril’s commercial tech faster.

    • Up-to-$20B ceiling; not obligated money—orders come as products are delivered
    • Acts like a contracting vehicle that removes repeated procurement steps across offices
    • “Delivery” ties to revenue recognition as hardware/software is produced and fielded
    • Signals the government believes Anduril can deliver major capability over time
  5. Selling to government is brutal: 600 contracts, ~20 that truly matter

    Steckman describes the operational reality of government GTM: many small contracts, few material ones, and constant uncertainty between big wins. The hardest part is predicting what the government will want 5–7 years out by blending budgets, rhetoric, warfighting theory, and tech trajectories.

    • Revenue concentration: many contracts, only a small number drive meaningful dollars
    • Between major wins: morale, positioning, and uncertainty are constant challenges
    • No one specifies needs 5–7 years ahead; companies must make educated bets
    • Winning requires interpreting signals across budgeting, doctrine, geopolitics, and technology
  6. Offensive cyber as the underestimated battlefield: asymmetric, non-kinetic, and escalation-prone

    Steckman argues offensive cyber is both highly asymmetric (low-cost, high-impact) and non-kinetic, making it harder to detect, attribute, and respond to without escalating. He outlines critical assets (infrastructure and military systems) and why public doctrine and debate lag the threat.

    • Asymmetric effects: cheap cyber actions can impose outsized strategic costs
    • Non-kinetic conflict blurs thresholds—harder to attribute and justify responses
    • Critical targets include power, energy, water, finance, healthcare, and military systems
    • The US needs credible “tit-for-tat” cyber capability and clearer public doctrine
  7. Anduril’s strategy to ‘go wide’: Lattice as a platform and many vertical P&Ls

    He explains why Anduril built a horizontal software platform (Lattice) to reuse core capabilities across many mission areas, enabling speed and cost advantages. This “go wide” approach counters the reality that most defense tech categories have only one or two truly business-making programs.

    • Defense categories often have 1–2 programs that create a real business; everything else is marginal
    • Anduril built foundational tech (Lattice) to ingest data, make sense of it, and control autonomous systems
    • 20+ product lines/P&Ls reuse shared “code blocks,” speeding time-to-field
    • Early products (e.g., sensing towers) provided building blocks for later advanced systems (e.g., autonomous aircraft)
  8. How Anduril places $100M+ bets: tiger teams, market ‘whispers,’ and internal investment committee

    Steckman details Anduril’s method for scaling new initiatives: start with small tiger teams funded by internal R&D, build demonstrators, and iterate based on customer pull. Conviction is built through formal and informal signals—operators, champions, contracting pathways, and even congressional dynamics—before major capital is unleashed.

    • Start small: cross-functional tiger teams build quick demos to test hypotheses
    • Follow “market whispers” until customer excitement matches internal excitement
    • Success often hinges on a single government champion who shepherds adoption
    • Internal investment committee uses gates, cost, and proof points to decide when to scale spend
  9. Missiles as the surprising upside: Barracuda, scalable manufacturing, and elasticity of demand

    A major upside area has been Anduril’s missile portfolio, especially Barracuda, driven by a thesis around low-cost mass and supply-chain pragmatism. Steckman argues geopolitical shifts have validated the need for systems that can scale production quickly, unlike exquisite weapons that are slow and costly to replenish.

    • Entered missiles based on capability gaps and a thesis around mass + affordability
    • Designed for commercial manufacturing (e.g., airframe built like a bathtub) to tap broad US contractors
    • Goal: elasticity—ability to scale lines up/down with demand, rare in missiles industry
    • Current conflicts highlight replenishment challenges for exquisite, slow-to-build inventories
  10. Business realities: margins, government pricing expectations, and product portfolio economics

    Steckman shares that Anduril targets strong gross margins for defense hardware/software, but margins vary by product type and scale. He notes a counterintuitive dynamic: high-volume items can face lower margins due to customer expectations and long-term pricing pressure despite manufacturing efficiencies.

    • Company-level gross margin target is ~40%+ (strong for hardware/defense)
    • High-volume products (e.g., thousands of missiles) can have lower margins
    • Customer cost expectations and renegotiation dynamics can compress margins over time
    • Portfolio balance matters: some products are “mass,” others are “exquisite” with different economics
  11. Weapons and ethics: democratic legitimacy, long timelines, and why ‘builder control’ is a slippery slope

    On ethical debates, Steckman frames Anduril’s stance around democratic governance: elected governments set the rules and defense companies operate within that framework. He argues that if you don’t trust democratic institutions—especially given long development cycles—defense is the wrong industry to be in.

    • Ethical framework: democratically elected governments decide; companies comply with rules
    • Trying to override that framework creates slippery slopes and operational chaos
    • Defense planning spans decades (e.g., systems fielding in 2035), requiring institutional trust
    • Cautions against myopic “war is good for business” thinking—conflicts spike, but strategy must endure
  12. If Anduril had an unlimited checkbook: M&A constraints and the space-domain gap

    Steckman says Anduril would buy more VC-backed defense tech companies, but many are priced beyond rational acquisition due to high multiples. He highlights particular interest in space (ground segment and on-orbit), where there’s a capability gap between legacy primes (slow, exquisite) and SpaceX (commercial-adjacent dominance).

    • Would acquire more venture-backed defense tech, but valuations/multiples are often too high
    • Anduril’s own multiple is described as lower than many VC-funded peers
    • Space domain is especially attractive—few fast providers between primes and SpaceX
    • Current approach includes partnerships, integration, and selective in-house development
  13. Why Anduril wants to go public: trust, readiness, and the product J-curve

    Steckman argues public-company status carries extra trust in the national security ecosystem. He explains Anduril’s readiness criteria: more products must reach rate production and profitability, since many are still in development and losing money along a typical defense product J-curve (which Anduril aims to compress).

    • Public markets confer an added layer of trust for national-security-adjacent companies
    • Anduril is investing heavily in internal systems to be public-company-ready
    • Only a fraction of ~20 products are in rate production; others are still on the J-curve
    • Defense cycles are usually 8–10 years; Anduril targets ~3–5 years (e.g., Roadrunner in ~24 months)
  14. Lessons from mistakes and quick-fire views: autonomy’s future, VC traps, and career advice

    He reflects on earlier missteps—entering sophisticated aerial markets too early—and how failures can become prerequisites for later success. In rapid-fire, Steckman predicts autonomy will eventually replace most missions (but slower than people think), warns against single-program companies, and stresses community-driven careers and adaptability.

    • Early overreach in aviation cost $20–40M but seeded later success in advanced autonomy
    • Belief: autonomous systems can replace essentially all missions over time—just not as fast as hype suggests
    • VC risk: companies dependent on winning one big program are fragile
    • Career advice: prioritize the community around you, start learning fast, and change your mind when needed

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