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Why Margins Don't Matter for Early-Stage Startups | Gili Raanan

Gili Raanan is the Founder of Cyberstarts, one of the best performing venture funds of the last decade. He is famed for being the seed investor in Wiz, Islands and Cyera, leading to multiple 10x+ funds. He has the only remaining monopoly in venture; cyber security in Israel. If it is good, Gili sees it, it is that simple. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:27 Does the Venture Business Even Work Anymore? 08:27 Are We Just Being Boomers? The Counter-Argument on Outcome Sizes 10:38 Will Mega Funds Be Able to Return Venture Economics? 12:48 How to Tell If a Company's Growth Is Real or Engineered 16:11 Wiz vs Sierra: What Fast Growth Actually Looks Like 19:40 Does Market Size Determine Whether a Company Plateaus? 21:46 Island - Building a Market That Didn't Exist 21:36 Does Too Much Money Defocus Great Founders? 26:36 Do Gross Margins Still Matter in the AI Era? 32:05 Why Public Markets Are Crushing Software Multiples Right Now 34:11 Is the Extension of Private Markets Fundamentally Good? 35:34 Using Secondaries to Retain Talent & Return Capital to LPs 41:06 Did Gili Sell Wiz Too Early & What Did He Learn? 42:30 GP/LP Misalignment: The Hidden Problem Nobody Talks About 44:21 How Gili Has Changed as an Investor 51:09 How to Build a Great Venture Partnership 53:39 Quick-Fire Round ----------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Gili Raanan on X: https://twitter.com/giliraanan Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #giliraanan #cyberstarts #investing #venturecapital

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CHAPTERS

  1. Venture is supposed to be uneven: why most funds won’t “work”

    Gili argues that venture returns are inherently non-linear: most firms will underperform, and only a small set of consistently elite funds capture outsized outcomes. With too much capital chasing deals, he expects disappointment—and potential “catastrophe”—for many market participants.

  2. Cybersecurity math check: rising seed prices vs shrinking unicorn formation

    Using cybersecurity (especially Israel) as a lens, Gili highlights how many startups get funded each year versus how few become unicorns. He contends that higher entry valuations at seed amplify the mismatch between probability of success and expected returns.

  3. “Are we being boomers?” Bigger outcomes don’t fix early-stage uncertainty

    Harry pushes the counter-argument that AI and labor displacement could expand outcome sizes, justifying higher entry prices. Gili accepts the possibility of bigger winners but insists early-stage uncertainty remains fundamental—venture is still a probabilistic game with limited information.

  4. Mega-funds and venture economics: who can still win at scale?

    Gili believes established firms with disciplined “guardrails” can continue performing, and large checks are often necessary to build category leaders. His bigger worry is less fund size itself and more whether entry prices eventually reduce innovation due to market-wide disappointment.

  5. Pricing discipline and the “science of greed” in seed investing

    Gili describes early-stage investing as requiring selfishness and greed—traits he sees as positive for seed investors. Inflated seed pricing makes him more skeptical because the bet is mostly on the team, though he notes decisions still depend on multiple factors.

  6. Is growth real or engineered? Reading velocity as the best signal

    Gili frames growth rate and trajectory as the strongest indicators of business health, but stresses the need to separate organic pull from engineered momentum. He claims that when companies hit truly exceptional growth, it becomes cultural DNA and tends to persist absent major external shocks.

  7. Wiz and Cyera: two patterns of breakout growth (smooth vs jagged)

    He contrasts Wiz’s explosive quarter-by-quarter ramp with Cyera’s early stall followed by a sharp rebound after product adjustments. The takeaway: elite companies can show different growth shapes, but when the underlying drivers click, acceleration can be dramatic and durable.

  8. Do companies plateau because markets are small? Noname vs Island

    Gili discusses how some startups slow because the initial category is a niche (Noname in API security), requiring a hard pivot to a larger vision. He contrasts that with Island, which created demand for an “enterprise browser” category that barely existed—yet scaled quickly by defining the market.

  9. Does too much money ruin founders? Why Gili doesn’t fear “foie gras-ing”

    Harry raises concerns that heavy funding can defocus young founders through premature expansion and overhiring. Gili rejects the premise, arguing great companies need cash sooner or later, and that the real risk is inefficient growth where spend yields weak ARR.

  10. Why margins don’t matter early (but still matter eventually)—especially in AI

    On AI-era margin pressure from inference costs, Gili says the industry lacks enough mature, profitable AI examples to set firm benchmarks. For cybersecurity, he believes gross margins are structurally important—but he intentionally doesn’t focus founders on margins early, pushing that conversation to later years.

  11. What “great” growth looks like: setting the bar with new ARR velocity

    Gili outlines a “real greatness” bar in terms of new ARR expansion over five years (e.g., 4x, 4x, 3x, 3x). He argues exceptional companies have always grown extremely fast, and the ceiling keeps rising—future companies may make today’s breakout stories look slow.

  12. Why software multiples are compressed: markets pricing future growth fear

    Harry points to battered public software multiples; Gili suggests public markets mainly express expectations about future growth rates. He hypothesizes that fears of autonomous/AI displacement may be driving compression—and that sustained growth could restore multiples.

  13. Staying private longer: IPO as branding, not liquidity

    Gili argues that IPOs function primarily as a credibility and branding milestone signaling “we’re here to stay,” rather than a liquidity event. He believes extended private timelines are sustainable, even if going public still carries strategic value.

  14. Secondaries as a talent tool: building recurring employee liquidity

    Gili frames secondaries first as a retention mechanism: employees vest, become concentrated in one asset, and seek diversification—pushing them to leave. Cyberstarts’ Employee Liquidity Fund underwrites recurring tender offers to provide predictable liquidity and keep top talent engaged.

  15. Selling Wiz too early, GP/LP alignment, and how Gili has evolved as an investor

    Gili admits he regrets selling Wiz shares early, though he viewed it as responsible to prove liquidity and execution for a new firm. He discusses perceived GP/LP misalignment, notes many LPs supported the decision, and reflects on how repeated “0-to-1” journeys have reshaped his investing style and mindset.

  16. Building a strong venture partnership + rapid-fire lessons on founders

    Gili’s core management lesson: don’t force partners into one playbook—optimize for each person’s strengths rather than “fixing” weaknesses. In the quick-fire, he highlights founder chemistry as increasingly important, names Sequoia mentors, shares a memorable founder meeting, and emphasizes being motivated by winning.

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