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Digital Freedom, AI Regulation, and the Fight for the Western Internet | The a16z Show

Katherine Boyle speaks with Sarah Rogers, Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy, about the intersection of AI, free speech, and global information systems. They discuss how major technological shifts, from the printing press to the internet to AI, have reshaped communication and power, and why this moment may be even more consequential. Recorded at the a16z American Dynamism Summit, the conversation explores the role of public diplomacy in the digital age, the risks of censorship and overregulation, and how governments are approaching AI as both a national security priority and a platform for global influence. Rogers also highlights the importance of maintaining “AI with a Western soul,” and why preserving open systems and freedom of expression will shape the future of innovation. Timestamps: 00:00 - Trailer 00:43 - Introduction & What is Public Diplomacy? 03:23 - Internet Freedom: From the Arab Spring to the Censorship Era 05:28 - The Digital Freedom Office & Reversing Government Censorship 07:02 - EU's Attacks on Free Speech & the Thierry Breton Letter 11:35 - AI with a Western Soul & the Global Regulatory Landscape 16:42 - AI, National Security & the Rule of Law 19:00 - How Government Can Encourage Free Speech in Tech Resources: Follow Sarah B. Rogers on X: https://x.com/UnderSecPD Follow Katherine Boyle on X: https://x.com/KTmBoyle Stay Updated: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to like, subscribe, and share with your friends! Find a16z on X: https://twitter.com/a16z Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z Listen to the a16z Show on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5bC65RDvs3oxnLyqqvkUYX Listen to the a16z Show on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711 Follow our host: https://x.com/eriktorenberg Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details please see http://a16z.com/disclosures.

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:06

    Trailer: Why a Western AI stack matters for freedom

    A rapid-fire preview frames the episode’s thesis: digital space and AI will shape global freedom, so policymakers should prioritize a “Western AI stack.” Katherine Boyle signals the conversation will connect international regulation, censorship, and U.S. strategy.

    • AI will become more—not less—central to global power and freedom
    • Foreign digital-safety/misinformation regimes can become templates exported to the U.S.
    • Policy signals around AI and platforms should align with free-speech principles
    • “AI with a Western soul” is positioned as a major soft-power advantage
  2. 1:06 – 2:10

    Public diplomacy explained: State Department role in the information environment

    Sarah Rogers defines public diplomacy as engagement with foreign publics—not just foreign governments. She explains how the modern information environment has become a core operating system for diplomacy and international influence.

    • Public diplomacy manages relationships between the U.S. government and foreign publics
    • Tools include cultural/educational exchanges (e.g., Fulbright) and rapid media response
    • Today it necessarily includes engagement with the global information environment
    • Information systems increasingly affect diplomacy, commerce, and international relations
  3. 2:10 – 3:23

    From “counter-disinformation” to transparency: reckoning with prior censorship efforts

    Rogers describes how prior State Department-linked efforts included contacting platforms about allegedly harmful content, highlighted by the Murthy litigation. She says her office is reversing course—pursuing transparency and making freedom of expression central.

    • Past apparatus involved government outreach to platforms to remove “disinformation” content
    • Murthy Supreme Court litigation is referenced as a key flashpoint
    • Reorganization placed the Digital Freedom Office under Rogers’ portfolio
    • New posture emphasizes transparency, truth, reconciliation, and free expression
  4. 3:23 – 4:26

    Internet freedom’s arc: Arab Spring optimism to post-2016 censorship anxieties

    The conversation traces the shift from early enthusiasm for open networks (Arab Spring/Occupy) to elite fears after 2016 (Trump/Brexit). Rogers argues well-intentioned anti-propaganda efforts often overreached into suppression of contested narratives.

    • Early internet freedom enabled disintermediation and challenged entrenched institutions
    • Post-Arab Spring concerns emerged about an “American spring” and domestic instability
    • After 2016, initiatives shifted toward narrative control and “disinformation” curation
    • Foreign adversary information operations are real, but responses can go too far
  5. 4:26 – 5:46

    A communications revolution: why “putting innovation back in the bottle” backfires

    Rogers compares today’s information disruption to past revolutions like the printing press and telegraph. She argues legacy institutions naturally try to control new communication tools, but American values and interests are better served by expanding freedom.

    • Historical parallels: telegraph attention fears; printing press and heresy concerns
    • Technological shifts trigger impulses to harness and centralize control
    • Control-oriented governance can conflict with American values and innovation
    • Goal should be using technology to make people freer, not more constrained
  6. 5:46 – 8:15

    Rebuilding the Digital Freedom Office: user empowerment over opaque choke points

    Rogers details new authorities and priorities: keep cybersecurity work, but move away from NGO-driven content gatekeeping. She favors tools that help users evaluate provenance and truth transparently rather than upstream censorship systems.

    • Reorganization and NDAA authorities expand the office’s ability to promote internet freedom
    • Continued focus on malware/spyware and foreign cyber threats
    • Support content provenance and AI-labeling to empower users (not centralized suppression)
    • Reject opaque NGO censorship decisions; prefer circumvention tools (VPNs) and Community Notes
  7. 8:15 – 12:15

    EU regulation as a free-speech flashpoint: the Thierry Breton letter to X

    Rogers argues allied regulation can be more problematic than adversary firewalls because it targets U.S. companies with extraterritorial penalties. She cites the 2024 letter threatening liability if X hosted an interview with then-candidate Trump and warns about viewpoint-skewed enforcement of “neutral” rules.

    • Allies’ extraterritorial speech pressure can collide with U.S. First Amendment norms
    • Breton letter allegedly threatened penalties for merely hosting a political interview
    • Parallel investigations (blue checks/algorithm transparency) can become leverage points
    • Viewpoint-skewed enforcement of “content-neutral” laws is described as insidious and predictable
  8. 12:15 – 13:45

    Diplomacy with Europe: shared values, real tensions, and avoiding “censorship contagion”

    Rogers emphasizes the strategic importance of alliances while insisting free expression must remain a shared civilizational interest. She describes ongoing negotiations as an opportunity to prevent sweeping cross-border censorship dynamics from hardening into precedent.

    • U.S. values Europe as a key ally and part of a shared civilization
    • Europeans often affirm free expression in principle, even amid regulatory actions
    • Hope for pragmatic convergence without identical speech regimes
    • Concern over transnational spillover effects—“censorship contagion”—on U.S. companies
  9. 13:45 – 17:03

    AI regulation pressure points: copyright, transparency mandates, and strict liability risks

    Shifting to AI, Rogers identifies copyright and disclosure mandates as major battlegrounds. She warns that vague “risk assessment” regimes and strict liability for model outputs could undermine innovation and import non-U.S. speech constraints into AI systems.

    • U.S. legal scaffolding (CDA 230, fair use) helped shape today’s internet ecosystem
    • Courts trending toward AI training as fair use is described as beneficial for innovation
    • Forced transparency that enables adversaries to reverse engineer models is a security risk
    • Vague risk-assessment obligations and strict liability for generated content could chill AI development
  10. 17:03 – 19:30

    AI, defense contracting, and alignment: keeping decisions in democratic institutions

    Rogers argues that national security demands AI remain grounded in “Western” principles like consent and rule-based reasoning. She insists major alignment and surveillance questions should be resolved through courts and democratic deliberation—not by internal tech fiat.

    • National security requires AI aligned with constitutional processes and Western norms
    • Debates on autonomous weapons and data synthesis should occur via rule-of-law pathways
    • Skepticism of unilateral decisions by executives or employee factions about speech norms
    • Rule of law is positioned as the durable mechanism for resolving hard AI governance questions
  11. 19:30 – 21:30

    How government can encourage free speech in tech: predictable rules and viewpoint neutrality

    In closing, Rogers lays out a policy toolkit: avoid arbitrary regulatory “cudgels,” promote clear compliance standards, and favor viewpoint-neutral approaches where regulation is inevitable. She also distinguishes between viewpoint suppression and non-viewpoint feed controls (spam, porn, provenance).

    • Reduce capricious enforcement tools that become de facto speech leverage
    • Design “crisp and principled” regulations with predictable compliance requirements
    • Where regulation exists, favor viewpoint neutrality (a First Amendment concept)
    • Allow non-viewpoint moderation tools (spam, porn, provenance controls) without ideological skew
  12. 21:30 – 22:54

    Standing up for U.S. companies abroad: sanctions, signaling, and free-speech consistency

    Rogers argues the U.S. should defend American companies when allied regulators threaten core political speech—just as European states would defend their own outlets. She frames recent actions as signaling that U.S. diplomacy in this domain will be consistently pro-free speech.

    • U.S. should respond when allies threaten penalties tied to protected political speech
    • Analogy: France would not tolerate U.S. threats against French media hosting Macron
    • Sanctions are presented as a deterrent signal in the policy domain
    • Closing emphasis: international “rules of the road” should preserve liberty and creation

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