Skip to content
a16za16z

The Person Who Runs HR For 2 Million Federal Workers

It’s no secret that while Silicon Valley is flush with top talent, Washington struggles. Complex compliance regimes, low risk tolerance, poor performance evaluations, and a focus on process over outcomes hurt our government’s ability to get things done. a16z General Partner Katherine Boyle sat down with Scott Kupor, Director of the Office of Personnel Management, and Greg Barbaccia, the United States Chief Information Officer, to discuss what’s broken, how to fix it, how government really works on the inside, and making government cool again. Timecodes: 0:00 Introduction 0:43 Meet the Guests: Scott Kupor & Greg Barbaccia 1:12 Private Sector to Public Service: Motivations & Challenges 2:45 Understanding OPM and Federal Talent 5:43 Culture Shock: Risk, Compliance, and Regulation 12:14 Performance Management in Government 17:33 Attracting and Retaining Top Talent 22:54 Bridging the Public-Private Divide 24:04 Bringing Tech Talent into Government 28:50 AI, Technology, and Modernization in Government 36:29 Operational Efficiency and Future Goals 40:40 Lightning Round: Myths, Metrics, and Recommendations Resources: Find Scott on X: https://x.com/skupor Find Greg on X: https://x.com/GregBarbaccia Find Katherine on X: https://x.com/KTmBoyle Stay Updated: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to like, subscribe, and share with your friends! Find a16z on X: https://x.com/a16z Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z Listen to the a16z Podcast on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5bC65RDvs3oxnLyqqvkUYX Listen to the a16z Podcast on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711 Follow our host: https://x.com/eriktorenberg Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details, please see a16z.com/disclosures.

Katherine BoylehostGreg BarbacciaguestScott Kuporguest
Oct 1, 202542mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Rebuilding federal government talent, tech, and performance for AI-era readiness

  1. Kupor and Barbaccia argue the federal government is underprepared for rapid technology change—especially AI—primarily due to talent gaps, outdated processes, and procurement/contracting dynamics.
  2. They describe a pervasive culture of risk avoidance driven by political incentives, legal/oversight pressures, and compliance regimes, which suppress experimentation and slow modernization.
  3. Kupor highlights severe performance-rating inflation (99.7% rated “meets expectations” or higher) and outlines moves toward forced distributions and merit-based incentives to create a higher-performance culture.
  4. Both emphasize recruiting strategies that prioritize mission over compensation, target early-career technologists, and make public service a respected “tour of duty” that transfers back to the private sector.
  5. Barbaccia’s modernization goals focus on “one government” execution: breaking data silos, improving citizen experience across fragmented websites, and enabling consent-based, citizen-centric data sharing across agencies.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Federal tech modernization is constrained more by talent and incentives than by tools.

They contend the government’s inability to keep pace with AI stems from missing technical talent, non-technical management layers, and procurement/contracting patterns that substitute vendors for in-house capability.

Risk is treated as pass/fail, which blocks measured experimentation.

Kupor and Barbaccia describe a culture where fear of lawsuits, Hill scrutiny, GAO/OIG findings, and compliance box-checking discourages even low-stakes improvements; they advocate shifting to “measured risk” with explicit upside evaluation.

Performance systems are too inflated to reward excellence or address underperformance.

Kupor cites that 99.7% of employees receive a 3+ rating and 65–70% receive 4–5, leading to “peanut-buttered” bonuses/promotions and little accountability; OPM is starting with SES forced-distribution guidance (only 30% at 4–5).

Merit hiring requires real skills verification, not self-attestation.

They criticize resume screening by non-domain experts and reliance on candidate self-assessment; OPM guidance now pushes functional assessments (e.g., coding tests for engineers), enabled by exiting a decades-old consent decree tied to disparate impact concerns.

The contractor-heavy model is self-reinforcing and must be broken.

Because many government tech roles manage contractors instead of building, top engineers avoid applying, which further increases reliance on contractors; they argue adding technical middle management from industry can improve both hiring and contract adjudication.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Technology continues to advance rapidly, and, you know, just to be blunt, the government is nowhere near prepared for it. We just don't have the right talent here.

Scott Kupor

We've kind of just embedded in the culture this idea that risk is like this pass-fail thing. Like, you either have risk or you don't have risk, and if you have risk, God forbid, like, you should ever go there, basically.

Scott Kupor

I have more auditors auditing my team than I have team members. Uh, and that's, uh, not hyperbole.

Greg Barbaccia

While it's very hard for the government to compete with Silicon Valley on compensation and, uh, things like equity, and this is something Scott and I, uh, talk about at length, we do rule on mission. You get access to some of the world's hardest problems in the government. You get agency to affect potentially over 300 million people.

Greg Barbaccia

We have this acronym inside of OPM. We say OPM stands for other people's money.

Scott Kupor

What OPM does and the scale of federal civilian workforceDOGE-driven workforce reductions and voluntary exitsRisk aversion, audits, and oversight incentivesPerformance management and grade inflation in government reviewsMerit hiring and functional skills assessments (post-consent decree)Tech talent pipelines: early-career and private-sector secondmentsAI adoption: practical use cases vs. long-range white papersContractor sprawl and lack of technical contract oversightOne-government IT strategy, data sharing, and citizen portalsOperational efficiency as a core government metric

High quality AI-generated summary created from speaker-labeled transcript.

Get more out of YouTube videos.

High quality summaries for YouTube videos. Accurate transcripts to search & find moments. Powered by ChatGPT & Claude AI.

Add to Chrome