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E10: Twitter & Facebook botch censorship (again), the publisher vs. distributor debate & more

NY Post Hunter Biden Story Twitter's explanation for censoring it Facebook's explanation for censoring it

Jason CalacanishostChamath PalihapitiyahostDavid SackshostDavid Friedberghost
Oct 15, 20201h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Tech giants, Section 230, and censorship collide before 2020 election

  1. The hosts dissect Twitter and Facebook’s handling of the New York Post’s Hunter Biden story, arguing the platforms badly overreached and fueled accusations of political bias. They use this incident to explore the legal distinction between publishers and distributors, how algorithms blur that line, and why Section 230 is now under bipartisan attack. The conversation expands into platform incentives, polarization, COVID risk perception, California tax and union politics, and the Amy Coney Barrett hearings. They close by handicapping the 2020 election, predicting a likely Biden win while debating whether Americans are ready to end the “Trump reality show.”

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Platforms’ attempt to suppress the Hunter Biden story backfired and amplified it.

The hosts argue that Twitter’s outright URL block and Facebook’s distribution throttling turned a weak, easily debunkable story into a cause célèbre, feeding right-wing claims of Big Tech election interference.

Algorithms may turn platforms into de facto publishers under current legal thinking.

Because Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube actively choose, rank, and amplify content to maximize engagement and revenue, the hosts contend courts may increasingly view them as exercising editorial control, undermining their Section 230 shield.

A possible policy line: reverse-chronological feeds as ‘platform,’ algorithmic feeds as ‘publisher.’

One proposed compromise is to treat services using opaque, curated algorithms as publishers subject to liability, while services that deliver content in neutral, reverse-chronological order retain distributor-style protections.

Repealing or gutting Section 230 could worsen censorship via corporate risk aversion.

Sacks warns that without 230, platforms will over-remove anything even remotely risky, hire large moderation bureaucracies, and shrink the space for open expression rather than expand it.

Engagement-optimized feeds structurally fuel polarization and outrage.

Friedberg and Chamath explain that algorithms tuned to maximize clicks and watch-time tend to surface content that triggers strong emotions, reinforcing ideological bubbles and making social platforms more addictive but less healthy.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

There’s been a cascade of disasters that have led to this dumpster fire.

— David Sacks

If you explicitly write code that fundamentally makes it murky whether you are the publisher or the distributor, I think you have to basically take the approach that you are both.

— Chamath Palihapitiya

I don’t want these people in charge of any of this stuff. And to the extent that they are, I want them to be liable and culpable to defend their decisions.

— Chamath Palihapitiya

What Twitter and Facebook have done is basically said they’re going to sit in judgment of the media industry.

— David Sacks

It took me five or six clicks and hunting and pecking to find out what the hell is actually going on here. That bothered me.

— Chamath Palihapitiya

Read the available transcript
Twitter and Facebook’s censorship of the New York Post Hunter Biden storyPublisher vs. distributor distinction and the future of Section 230Role of algorithms, engagement, and monetization in shaping online speechInformation bubbles, media bias, and public trust in platforms and news outletsCOVID-19 treatment advances and updated views on infection fatality riskCalifornia’s Prop 13/15, public-sector unions, and structural tax issuesAmy Coney Barrett confirmation hearings and Supreme Court reform ideas2020 U.S. election dynamics, polling, and Trump vs. Biden narratives

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