E16: Reflecting on the riots at the US Capitol, plus: Georgia runoffs, vaccine distribution & more

1. 0:00 – 2:14

   New intro for the besties - listen here: https://rb.gy/aizgdm

   1. NANarrator0:00

      I'm going all in. Wet your beak. Wet your beak. Wet your beak.

   2. JCJason Calacanis0:07

      Besties are back.

   3. NANarrator0:08

      I'm going all in.

   4. DSDavid Sacks0:11

      Let your winners ride.

   5. JCJason Calacanis0:14

      Rain Man, David Sachs.

   6. NANarrator0:16

      I'm going all in.

   7. DSDavid Sacks0:18

      And I said we open sources to the fans, and they've just gone crazy with it.

   8. JCJason Calacanis0:22

      Love you, West. Nice queen of quinoa.

   9. NANarrator0:24

      I'm going all in. Let your winners ride. Let, let, let your winners ride. Let your winners ride.

   10. JCJason Calacanis0:31

       Besties are back. Oh. (laughs) That's funny. A dog taking a piss in your driveway, Sachs. (laughs)

   11. CPChamath Palihapitiya0:38

       Oh, man.

   12. DFDavid Friedberg0:39

       My ........................ will meet the influenza.

   13. We should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy 'cause they're all just useless. It's like this, like, sexual tension that they just need to release somehow.

   14. NANarrator0:49

       Wet your beak.

   15. JCJason Calacanis0:50

       Wet your beak.

   16. DSDavid Sacks0:51

       Wet your beak.

   17. JCJason Calacanis0:53

       Beak. (laughs) We need to get merch.

   18. NANarrator0:56

       I'm going all in. I'm going all in.

   19. JCJason Calacanis1:06

       All right, and we're back. And thank you to Young Spielberg with the All In 1.5 extended edition remix. We're going all in.

   20. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:17

       That was, uh-

   21. JCJason Calacanis1:17

       Thank you to the super fans.

   22. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:19

       ... that was really incredible actually.

   23. JCJason Calacanis1:20

       We're back.

   24. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:20

       I gotta say.

   25. JCJason Calacanis1:21

       We're back. Bestie-

   26. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:22

       Thanks, Young Spielberg.

   27. JCJason Calacanis1:23

       Yeah, shout out, Young Spielberg. With us, The Dictator, Chamath Palihapitiya. The Rain Man himself, David Sachs is definitely an excellent driver, and his dad lets him drive in the driveway. And the queen of quinoa, Spacktacular, David Freberg is with us. We did an emergency pod. We just had all agreed we're taking a nice break. Nothing's gonna happen over the new year. This is the down period.

   28. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:47

       (laughs)

   29. JCJason Calacanis1:47

       And 2021 is gonna be delightful and simple, and then all hell breaks loose. We could start with the vaccine. We could start with the Capitol. We could start with Georgia.

   30. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:59

       No, we have to start, we have to start, we have to start with the Capitol.
2. 2:14 – 6:01

   Sacks' trip to Miami

   1. JCJason Calacanis2:14

      And somewhere at 10:00 AM, Trump had a rally of thousands of, uh, supporters. You were not there, David, correct?

   2. CPChamath Palihapitiya2:22

      (laughs)

   3. JCJason Calacanis2:22

      You weren't at this rally.

   4. CPChamath Palihapitiya2:23

      He was in, he was in, quote unquote, "Miami." (laughs)

   5. JCJason Calacanis2:26

      Right. I think he's in the Miami Hilton on Pennsylvania Avenue right now. And he put up that fake Miami background. But the truth is, let's be honest here, um, Trump came out at 10:00 AM and had a rally.

   6. CPChamath Palihapitiya2:41

      Jason, can we just take a step back for a second?

   7. JCJason Calacanis2:43

      Okay.

   8. CPChamath Palihapitiya2:43

      Doesn't, doesn't David Sachs look like Elliott Gould in Ocean's Eleven right now?

   9. JCJason Calacanis2:48

      He kinda does.

   10. CPChamath Palihapitiya2:49

       He's so Elliott Gould.

   11. DSDavid Sacks2:51

       (laughs)

   12. JCJason Calacanis2:52

       He is a silver fox. And are you... I mean, you were very public about being in Miami over the new year. You took your talents to Miami. And, uh, we see this background, um, so we can assume The Dictator's in his, uh, pool house poker room. We know that Freberg's in a Ritz-Carlton somewhere based on the furniture. He's in his Ritz-Carlton, uh, office. And, Sachs, based on your background, are you in Miami right now?

   13. DSDavid Sacks3:17

       Yeah.

   14. JCJason Calacanis3:17

       Are you still there?

   15. DSDavid Sacks3:18

       Yeah. I, I, I still, I'm still, I'm still here.

   16. CPChamath Palihapitiya3:20

       Okay, but David, did you-

   17. DSDavid Sacks3:21

       I'm s-

   18. CPChamath Palihapitiya3:21

       ... meet with the mayor or not?

   19. DSDavid Sacks3:23

       I, I haven't... I, I actually met him. I did meet him. I went to, like, a tech, uh, event the other night, and he was there. So, um-

   20. JCJason Calacanis3:31

       Were you wearing masks at the tech event or not?

   21. CPChamath Palihapitiya3:32

       Were you wearing a mask? Mask or no mask?

   22. DSDavid Sacks3:34

       They... It was, th- there, there were, like, masks and-

   23. JCJason Calacanis3:37

       Oh, I said no. (laughs)

   24. DSDavid Sacks3:37

       No, no, no, I'll tell you. There were masks indoors, and then there was, like, COVID testing inside, and then you could graduate to the outdoor patio part where people generally weren't wearing masks.

   25. JCJason Calacanis3:48

       So, were you in conversations with people with no masks on? Is that what you're saying? At this event?

   26. DSDavid Sacks3:53

       Yeah, but, you know, everyone's been, like, COVID tested, like, a zillion times. And it was outdoors and, you know. I'm willing to meet with people outdoors. You know, I generally don't do it indoors, but I'm-

   27. JCJason Calacanis4:03

       Huh, yeah.

   28. DSDavid Sacks4:04

       ... I'm, I've, I've, I've said that's my policy starting several months ago.

   29. JCJason Calacanis4:08

       David, do you-

   30. CPChamath Palihapitiya4:09

       Can we, can we rewind to April with that photo of Sachs? Do we have it? Where he was in the ski mask and the goggles and the helmet? And, like, the biohazard suit. And, like, how things have changed, he's like, "I'll go to Miami and have a chat with someone."
3. 6:01 – 29:43

   Reflecting on the riot at the US Capitol: police response, double standard with BLM protest, big picture, prosecuting Trump & healing the nation post-Trump

   1. CPChamath Palihapitiya6:01

      we title, can we title yesterday's event National Lampoon Siege of the Capitol?

   2. JCJason Calacanis6:04

      (laughs)

   3. CPChamath Palihapitiya6:05

      I mean, it was like Animal House. Like, you know.

   4. DSDavid Sacks6:07

      Yeah, there was a great, there was a great tweet b- uh, by somebody saying this was...Uh, this was like the storming of the Bastille as perpetrated by the cast of Animal House. (laughs)

   5. JCJason Calacanis6:17

      Right? Totally. (laughs)

   6. DSDavid Sacks6:18

      Uh, and there, and there was another-

   7. JCJason Calacanis6:19

      Totally.

   8. DSDavid Sacks6:19

      There was another great tweet saying, uh, "The Capitol now appears to be under the control of a man in a Viking mask."

   9. JCJason Calacanis6:26

      (laughs)

   10. DSDavid Sacks6:27

       (laughs) Uh... (laughs)

   11. JCJason Calacanis6:28

       (laughs)

   12. DSDavid Sacks6:28

       (laughs)

   13. JCJason Calacanis6:28

       The best one-

   14. DSDavid Sacks6:29

       So- (laughs)

   15. JCJason Calacanis6:29

       The best one was, "I have lost all respect for Nicolas Cage's ability to steal the US Constitution."

   16. DSDavid Sacks6:35

       (laughs) Yeah, exactly.

   17. JCJason Calacanis6:36

       Apparently- (laughs)

   18. DSDavid Sacks6:37

       Yeah.

   19. JCJason Calacanis6:37

       ... whatever copy's left. All right, so let's just-

   20. DSDavid Sacks6:39

       (sighs)

   21. JCJason Calacanis6:39

       ... go through the chain of events here, and it was, it was absolutely surreal because Trump literally went out to a, a mob of people, um, and said, "I want you to march down Pennsylvania Avenue and show the GOP what it takes to have courage," et cetera. Mike Pence, uh, apparently told Trump that he was not gonna go to bat for him in this ceremonial, um, process of counting the votes. And lo and behold, you're watching this, you know, the objections going on to the electorial count, and you see the Secret Service come rushing in. And it becomes a, you know, very serious situation and when you watch some of the videos, it is truly terrorizing that thousands of people overwhelmed the police and... I guess I wanna start with people's opinion on Trump's culpability in inciting what was very dangerous behavior. Four people are dead. Um, so we, you know, while we're joking about the cosplay outfits, a woman who was a, an ardent Trump supporter, who is a vet, who did four tours, uh, from what I've read, and I shared the video with you before, literally, you know, as they broke into the building, was trying to breach another area of the building. And she's climbing through a window and gets shot, apparently by the Secret Service or the police, and dies. And so it's all fun and games until four people are dead, and now somebody's lost their wife, daughter, sister- No, but Jason, Jason, I mean, there could have been 400 dead. There could have been 4,000 dead. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean this could have become a shootout at the OK Corral. I can't understand why the police showed the restraint they did. I mean, when you see them getting surrounded, I don't know if you saw the one, uh- They didn't, they didn't show restraint, Jason. There was no police. When you look at the amount of, um, security that's typically there, and has been there for other situations, and then you compare it to the amount of security, knowing for a month and a half that this was coming, it's, um... it just doesn't make any sense to me. So I'm a little- Okay. I'm a little dumbfounded that, you know, you couldn't have seen this Facebook group called, you know, #StormtheCapitol, which had tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of members in there, plotting and scheming, selling merchandise called Storm the Capitol. You know, these guys were wearing, uh, printed sweatshirts that they had time to make. Um, and nobody knew about it and nobody thought to reinforce, um, the security and barricade it and make sure that you couldn't go from the protest site to the Cap- I mean, I- it just seems-

   22. DSDavid Sacks9:19

       I- I think there was a-

   23. JCJason Calacanis9:19

       ... like there's some level of complicity that needs to get found out here. But there was a, there was an interview I saw with, uh, an ex-DC police guy who said that, um, I think folks were told to tamper down. Uh, the police forces were told to tamper down on managing crowds and protests and riots following the controversy associated with BLM a few months ago. And spraying folks with pepper spray, and water, and all the, um, physical techniques that were used, were so, um, outraging that, uh, that there was just more of a systemic concern about being too aggressive with protesters, and as a result they went too far the other way. Uh, it's-

   24. DSDavid Sacks9:57

       Uh-

   25. JCJason Calacanis9:58

       ... it's, it's not an unreasonable-

   26. DSDavid Sacks9:58

       And so it just happens to be, Friedberg, that when Black people protested and Brown people, they got to tear gas and beaten with batons and then when the white people, uh, stormed the wa- the, the Capitol in the same area, they got, uh- I, I-

   27. JCJason Calacanis10:17

       ... walked down the steps and escorted out with a stern warning to not do it again. I mean, it, this is hypocritical and insane.

   28. DSDavid Sacks10:24

       I- I- I- I don't know why you have to go there particularly. Um, it- it- it looked to me like what happened is that the Capitol Hill Police simply got completely overwhelmed.

   29. JCJason Calacanis10:35

       Mm-hmm.

   30. DSDavid Sacks10:35

       Uh, you look at these, you know, giant... Th- this is a rally on the Mall that turned into a mob. Well, first it just kind of turned into a tailgater, then it turned into a mob, and then it turned into an insurrection. It kind of stumbled forward into progressive, uh, phases of, uh, of-
4. 29:43 – 44:19

   2016 Election interference, reasons for unrest & polarization, Trump's culpability

   1. CPChamath Palihapitiya29:43

      the best-

   2. DSDavid Sacks29:43

      ... to court.

   3. CPChamath Palihapitiya29:43

      ... tweet I saw on this was this woman tweeted out that, uh, the following. She said, "When the Democrats lost in 2016, they knitted pink hats and donated to Planned Parenthood."

   4. DSDavid Sacks29:56

      No, they didn't.

   5. CPChamath Palihapitiya29:57

      And-

   6. DSDavid Sacks29:57

      No, they didn't.

   7. CPChamath Palihapitiya29:58

      (laughs)

   8. DSDavid Sacks29:58

      They invented a ridiculous Russian conspiracy theory.

   9. CPChamath Palihapitiya30:01

      They, David, they, they-

   10. DSDavid Sacks30:02

       That, that, like, 10 people went to jail for.

   11. The Russia hoax.

   12. Yeah.

   13. The Russia hoax.

   14. Yeah.

   15. No one went to jail-

   16. It's not a hoax.

   17. ... for it. No one was-

   18. Come on.

   19. What?

   20. They, what? They were o- ... The Russians were obviously trying-

   21. You're-

   22. ... to interfere.

   23. ... like the last person... You're like the last person who still believes in this.

   24. Well, listen, like, look, look-

   25. I mean-

   26. ... I still believe that they tried and I still believe... I don't know that they succeeded, but I think they tried.

   27. Mueller, Mueller, Mueller spent two years investigating this, tens of millions of dollars, 25 FBI ag- uh, agents, uh-

   28. Yeah, those are all re- those are all GOP talking points. The fact is, Manafort-

   29. ye-

   30. ... went to jail and-
5. 44:19 – 49:51

   Should the 25th Amendment be invoked?

   1. DSDavid Sacks44:19

      with that.

   2. CPChamath Palihapitiya44:19

      So on the, o- on the heels of that, can I ask you guys what you think of this? Basically, Pelosi has told Pence, "You have to invoke the 25th Amendment or they're gonna take up impeachment." What do you guys think about that?

   3. JCJason Calacanis44:31

      I think it's the right thing to do.

   4. CPChamath Palihapitiya44:33

      How do you do that?

   5. JCJason Calacanis44:33

      I think they have to be... There has to be a backstop against this. What, I mean, is it possible Trump-

   6. CPChamath Palihapitiya44:37

      If he runs in his proceeding, he could run in his preceding seven days.

   7. JCJason Calacanis44:38

      ... could do something crazy? You could s- well, here's the thing. I, and I, I, I, I tweeted at Preet Bharara about this. Can you say? If you are impeached, uh, successfully, you can't run again. Um, so I think that this is a, um, a way to put the nail in the coffin of Trump even having the ability to run in 2024, which I think is why the Democrats are on the right side of history on this one. That's my personal belief line. Maybe they sign a non-prosecution agreement with him if he resigns, and that, that's kind of the final, you know-

   8. CPChamath Palihapitiya45:04

      That's what I would like to see.

   9. DSDavid Sacks45:06

      ... but, J- Jason, why can't you trust voters to make the right decision in 2024?

   10. JCJason Calacanis45:11

       I, um... Do I trust voters? I, it's not about trusting the voters. It's more about do I think there should be ramifications for somebody's behavior. That's, that's my fear, is that if he keeps getting away with stuff, he could do something even more violent or dangerous. As Chamath said earlier, it, it's a miracle that 100 people weren't shot dead and this wasn't a firefight. I mean, if somebody takes out a gun at any moment during that and people start shooting, we could have hundreds of people, Americans dead, not just the four who died.

   11. CPChamath Palihapitiya45:43

       Hundreds.

   12. JCJason Calacanis45:43

       And I think Trump is absolutely capable of doing something in the last 14 days. If he did this 15 days out, why wouldn't he do something else seven days out or three days out? He's a maniac.

   13. DSDavid Sacks45:56

       Right. Well-

   14. JCJason Calacanis45:56

       I mean, this is insane, deranged, criminal, lunatic behavior. It's completely possible that he could do something more dangerous in the last 14 days. I know that that sounds crazy, but look at what we saw yesterday.

   15. DSDavid Sacks46:09

       I think, I, I think there is like a white-knuckle element to the next two weeks. I think we're all kind of white-knuckling it to, you know, to see what's gonna happen. Uh, we have 300 hours to go til Biden is sworn in, and I've got to admit, like I, I'm, I'm counting down the hours, you know?

   16. JCJason Calacanis46:25

       It's too insane. Nobody wants to live like this.

   17. DSDavid Sacks46:27

       Uh, and every- everybody, everybody's feeling, everybody's feeling that. Um, that being said, I, I just think that... I'm more on, on Free- Freeberg's, um, point of view on this, that we have this insane level of partisan warfare in the US. It's gone to, like, a whole nother level, and I just... And, and, and Trump has definitely made it worse, and the storming of the Capitol is the, you know, is the zenith of it. It's the apex. But, look, the other side's been doing it too, and the question is just how we deescalate this insane partisan warfare.

   18. JCJason Calacanis46:57

       I think, I think right in the deescalation, Chamath, isn't Biden like being elected-

   19. CPChamath Palihapitiya47:01

       In part, aside-

   20. JCJason Calacanis47:02

       ... do you think it is?

   21. CPChamath Palihapitiya47:03

       I think it is. Yeah, I think it is.

   22. JCJason Calacanis47:04

       It's like we, we picked the most boring candidate who has the most milk toast, middle of the road approach, who, who, uh, Lindsey Graham likes and who traveled the world with. I mean, Lady G loves him.

   23. DSDavid Sacks47:17

       Well, to, to the extent Biden has a mandate, this is it. I mean, and he talked about it at the, uh, the, in his victory speech that night, which was, which wa- was, was quite good. It's about bringing people together. Um, now look, I mean, the, the, the issue i- one of the issues is you can't ignore the fact that Democrats for the last four years aga- have waged this insane partisan war against Trump. I mean, let's not even go into the merits, but you had this two-year Mueller witch hunt. You then had this, uh, impeachment, uh, you know, crusade, which, look, if there was a lot of validity to the, uh, uh, impeachment, why wasn't it used as a campaign issue last year? I just think everybody knows that-

   24. JCJason Calacanis47:53

       Let me ask you a question-

   25. DSDavid Sacks47:54

       ... everybody knows that was hyper-partisan, and, and my point is that, yeah, look. I mean, I think it's a good thing if Biden can deescalate things. That, that is, that is I think why he won the election, is that he was seen as more of a sane alternative.

   26. JCJason Calacanis48:07

       Let me, let me ask you a question, Sacks. Do you think it would have been... Do you think if Trump had been impeached for the Ukraine, uh, interference and Pence had taken over, we would not have seen what we were seeing yesterday and the country would have been further along to healing?

   27. DSDavid Sacks48:23

       (laughs) Uh, so, you know, no. I mean, Pence would not have invited or asked all of his supporters to come to the Capitol to oppose-

   28. JCJason Calacanis48:31

       Okay.

   29. DSDavid Sacks48:32

       ... the counting, the, the, the, the counting of the electors. I, look, that was a unique Trump thing for s- you know, he could not accept the loss and had to keep pushing and pushing and pushing-

   30. JCJason Calacanis48:42

       Got it.
6. 49:51 – 56:23

   Democrats win Georgia runoff elections, did Trump's implosion lose Georgia for the GOP?

   1. CPChamath Palihapitiya49:51

      out there. Let's talk about Georgia. Let's let ... I think we've nailed the Trump... I mean, unless anybody really feels like continuing to talk about the social path.

   2. DSDavid Sacks49:57

      No, no.

   3. CPChamath Palihapitiya49:57

      Stacey Abrams.

   4. JCJason Calacanis49:58

      Stacey Abrams is a genius. I mean, my gosh, she should be in charge of everything.

   5. CPChamath Palihapitiya50:01

      Yeah, can we get her on the vaccine roll-out?

   6. DSDavid Sacks50:03

      (laughs)

   7. JCJason Calacanis50:04

      (laughs)

   8. DSDavid Sacks50:04

      Well, Trump-

   9. JCJason Calacanis50:05

      It's incred- it's incredible.

   10. DSDavid Sacks50:06

       S- Stacey Abrams is doing an incredible job on the Democrat side mobilizing turnout, um, but the reason why the Republicans lost Georgia is frankly Trump, I mean, Trump cost them Georgia. Two months ago, Perdue beat Ossoff in that election.

   11. CPChamath Palihapitiya50:22

       That's right. That's right.

   12. DSDavid Sacks50:22

       He won.

   13. CPChamath Palihapitiya50:23

       He won.

   14. JCJason Calacanis50:23

       He won.

   15. CPChamath Palihapitiya50:23

       That's right.

   16. DSDavid Sacks50:24

       And, and he's beaten him before. I think he is, uh, I mean, he's not the most wonderful candidate, but I think he is a better candidate, and he lost because of these antics over the last two months, culminating in that insane phone call that Trump had with the Georgia Secretary of State.

   17. CPChamath Palihapitiya50:39

       Oh my God, we haven't even talked about that.

   18. DSDavid Sacks50:40

       Roethlisberger. Right.

   19. CPChamath Palihapitiya50:42

       I mean, should he be prosecuted for that, Sax?

   20. DSDavid Sacks50:45

       Can't you just find me that? Can't you just find me 11,000 votes? Look, I- I just think, you know, I- I don't think it's-

   21. CPChamath Palihapitiya50:49

       Which one is more prosecutable, sending people to the Capitol or asking them and begging them to find him 11,000 votes? Which one is more prosecutable to you, Sax, since you're gonna be framing stuff?

   22. JCJason Calacanis50:58

       No, wait, let's, let's ... Wait, Jason, hold on. Let, let's move on, let's move away from the whole Trump goes to jail for a second. I just wanted to... I think it's important to talk about Georgia, 'cause I think David, you're gonna make a point.

   23. DSDavid Sacks51:09

       Yeah, exactly. I mean, look, I think we're getting hung up too much on the legalities, and let's just talk about what's right and wrong, you know, which we, is what we can agree on, and let, you know, lawyers and prosecutors figure out the legalities. Um, R- Ramesh Ponnuru from National Review had a great quote about Georgia. He said that Perdue and Loeffler could have survived any two of these three, being unimpressive candidates, Georgia shifting purple, and Trump being a maniac. And unfortunately, you had three out of three, and that's why they lost.

   24. JCJason Calacanis51:36

       (laughs)

   25. DSDavid Sacks51:36

       If, uh, it was a great, it was a great quote. Uh, you know, eh, but you had the Roethlisberger call, you know, "Can't you just find me 11,000 votes" the day before the election, or two days before the election. I mean, that had to push swing voters and undecideds to the Democrats. And the other thing is that Perdue and Loeffler weren't able to make the best argument that they had, which is, "If you vote for us, you end up with split... You, you prevent the Democrats from having all the power in Washington. So unless you wanna give all the power in Washington to a single party, you need to vote for us." That was the best argument for voting for them, 'cause there's a lot of people in this country who believe in splitting their ticket, because they don't trust either party, which is kind of where I'm at. Um, but they were unable to make that argument effectively, because Trump was still hanging on to the idea that he was gonna be president.

   26. JCJason Calacanis52:25

       (laughs)

   27. CPChamath Palihapitiya52:25

       No, I think David, I honestly, I think this comes down to the intelligence of the candidates. Kelly Loeffler's a moron. She's an idiot. Uh, David Perdue's a good old boy. He's an idiot. They're just stupid. This actually speaks to a bigger problem, which is the Republicans could do so much better if they could actually find younger, more vibrant, intelligent people, and instead they find these fucking morons. I don't know where they find them, but you know, they pulled Kelly Loeffler out of some like backstage Dallas beauty pageant and just kind of like fluffed her up and tried to get her to run. She's a moron.

   28. DSDavid Sacks52:56

       Loeffler-

   29. CPChamath Palihapitiya52:57

       Complete idiot.

   30. DSDavid Sacks52:57

       Loeffler was a mistake. Loeffler was a mistake.
7. 56:23 – 1:07:45

   How Friedberg would handle vaccine distribution

   1. JCJason Calacanis56:24

      All right. Moving on from politics. I think we have to talk, Friedberg, about the deployment of the vaccine. Um, I- I did a quick poll on Twitter, and Twitter and the American people have asked that Friedberg, the Queen of Quinoa, (laughs) be responsible for the vaccine distribution going forward.

   2. DSDavid Sacks56:42

      Really?

   3. JCJason Calacanis56:42

      Da-

   4. DSDavid Sacks56:42

      I'm in. Let's do it.

   5. JCJason Calacanis56:43

      (laughs) Uh, what are you going to do? Are you-

   6. DSDavid Sacks56:45

      I would sure tag... I would, I would, I would get that vaccine into everyone's arms in 75 days. I mean, it would be-

   7. JCJason Calacanis56:51

      Yes, you would be blocked and loaded.

   8. DSDavid Sacks56:52

      It would be such a stone cold lock.

   9. JCJason Calacanis56:54

      Oh, my God. Yeah.

   10. DSDavid Sacks56:55

       That would be amazing.

   11. JCJason Calacanis56:56

       Yeah. I don't know how that happens though.

   12. DSDavid Sacks56:57

       So, Friedberg, what would you do differently? I would love to do that.

   13. JCJason Calacanis56:59

       And maybe you could describe... You know, we, we're supposed to be at a million a day. We're at 350,000, trending towards 400,000. We did 1.5 million in 72 hours, according to Fauci at one point, uh, right after the new year. So, we're, we're kind of like halfway where we need to be. What would you do differently? 'Cause the rollout seems... We- we have-

   14. DSDavid Sacks57:18

       Well, it's a, it's a, it's a-

   15. JCJason Calacanis57:19

       More than 50% are on the shelves still.

   16. DSDavid Sacks57:21

       It, it shouldn't be-

   17. JCJason Calacanis57:22

       Not in arms.

   18. DSDavid Sacks57:22

       It, it is a wartime scenario. When war is happening, you don't go home at 5:00 PM and wake up at 9:00 AM and clock out for an hour for lunch and, you know, you don't, uh, "Oh, well, don't run too fast, you know, you might trip." You don't do any of that. We've created incredible disincentives in the system, by i- in fact, Cuomo put out a million dollar fine if, uh, if you get your vaccine out of line. I mean, think about the disincentive that creates. Now, people are more scared about giving the vaccine to the wrong person than they are incentivized to give the vaccine to the right person. And the reality is, this is a group game. This isn't an individual game. It's not about who gets vaccinated first and you'll live and you'll die. We all need to get vaccinated as a group so that we all have immunity so that this virus stops spreading. It doesn't matter if you're individually vaccinated. It matters if we're all vaccinated 'cause that's the only way we're all going to get out of the economic slump that is truly damaging this country right now. And so, the first step is create a military style operation. Figure out how many feet on the ground, you know, it's, it's all a rate-based system, right? How many are you running per day? And then how do you achieve that objective? And over time, you have your target rate per day, you would scale it up over 75 days or whatever your, your rollout timeframe needs to be, and you would say, "This is how we're gonna get there. We need this number of people giving shots this many minutes apart." And then you go figure out where you're going to give the shots and who's going to give them. Get the vaccines to where they need to get to, take over all the gymnasiums and all the stadiums and all the open sports facilities around the country. People can drive up, stand in line, get a frigging shot. And 65-year-olds get priority for the first 30 days, and then after 30 days, your 65 and over crowd loses their priority and it's open season for who wants to get a shot. You stand in line, you get a shot. Walk in, you got 3.8 million nurses in the United States. You go contract 500,000 of them. You give them a huge frigging one-time bonus to come and run this program. You run 24-hour shifts in the gymnasiums around the country. People come in, they get shots, they get out, takes three minutes. If you're feeling weird, if you have risk of ill- allergies, you go sit in the other room, you wait for two hours, and there's a bunch of roaming nurses keep an eye on you. And you get this thing done. That's it. This is not that complicated. And we can leverage the National Guard to create the infrastructure to support these lines and get these things done. We can go recruit... There are plenty of nurses' associations you can go. People can work overnight shifts and get paid triple overtime, get extra bonuses for doing this. It's a great way to kind of create an economic stimulus around this.... we can get this e- entire country vaccinated in 90 days. And the way that, uh, Israel is doing it is a great model. You know, when they run out of those close-

   19. JCJason Calacanis59:57

       Describe that, yeah.

   20. DSDavid Sacks59:58

       So at the end of the day, if, uh, you know, they, when you open, when you take these things out of deep freeze, you're at risk of them spoiling at that point, 'cause the mRNA is very, um, you know, it can break. And so it needs to be really cold, and then you gotta give the vaccine very quickly. Otherwise, the mRNA can degrade and it's not effective. So they-

   21. JCJason Calacanis1:00:13

       And you have to defrost it in order to give it.

   22. DSDavid Sacks1:00:15

       Yes. You defrost it, then it's sitting there. Now you gotta give it within a couple of hours. And if you've got extra doses sitting at the end of the day-

   23. JCJason Calacanis1:00:20

       That's super complicated.

   24. DSDavid Sacks1:00:21

       What they're doing in Israel is they're looking outside. They grab the pizza guy that's on the bicycle tr- on the bicycle cruising by. They're like, "Do you want a shot?" Come on in." They give him a shot. They grab the next guy. You do not need to track everyone that gets a shot. You do not need everyone to show their ID to get a shot. You do not need to X, Y, and Z. All the disincentives that create friction in the system of rolling out the vaccine need to be completely eliminated. There's no qualifying s- uh, criteria except maybe being 65 and over for the first 30 days. And we prioritize politics, um, over health and safety. We have made it the case that the teachers should get the, the shot first because the teachers' unions created an uproar in California and said they're not gonna go to work unless they... So now, the teachers are gonna get it and the essential workers are gonna get it, which are people that are working in stores and warehouses and other stuff. And meanwhile, the people that can actually die from this, 15% likelihood of death if you're over 85, are not getting it, because they're not technically an essential worker. So the prioritization where we've tried to create these artificial-

   25. JCJason Calacanis1:01:13

       So dumb.

   26. DSDavid Sacks1:01:13

       ... politically motivated systems for defining who gets the vaccine and who doesn't, it's absolutely killing us, and literally killing us. 4,000 people died yesterday in the United States. And so-

   27. JCJason Calacanis1:01:23

       Bonkers.

   28. DSDavid Sacks1:01:23

       ... the system is fucked up. The incentives we've... And don't bleep that out, 'cause that's exactly what it is. The disin-

   29. JCJason Calacanis1:01:28

       No, leave it fucking in.

   30. DSDavid Sacks1:01:29

       The, the disincentives we've created are destroying, um, the rollout. Um, the, uh, the governors getting involved and creating models of prioritization that are politically motivated are killing us. And, and we should centrally plan this thing. War Production Act, make a shit ton of this stuff, grab it all, get 100 million doses distributed into gymnasiums around the country. Get the nurses in there, get the National Guard to organize a line-
8. 1:07:45 – 1:12:25

   San Francisco's Killer D.A., recalling Gavin Newsom, Kim Kardashian for Governor of CA

   1. DSDavid Sacks1:07:45

   2. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:07:45

      Can I, can I use this as a segue? Like, I mean, what we're seeing is sort of, we have a bunch of elected officials. We give them, you know, an enormous amount of responsibility. They also get this implied power. And then you just, you see sometimes in these acute moments, they're totally derelict. Then, I just wanna move off of s- vaccines for a second. Then you get an elected official who is not acutely incompetent, but it seems broadly, grossly, and consistently incompetent, and I wanna talk about Chesa Boudin. And I, I wanna use-

   3. DSDavid Sacks1:08:20

      Oof.

   4. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:08:21

      ... Sax's article which, to be very honest, David, was probably one of the most incredibly well-written things-

   5. JCJason Calacanis1:08:28

      Well done.

   6. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:08:29

      ... you have ever created. I don't know, Jason, do we have show notes? Can we put it in-

   7. JCJason Calacanis1:08:34

      We'll put it in the show notes, yeah. We'll put a link in the show notes.

   8. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:08:36

      Okay.

   9. JCJason Calacanis1:08:36

      Um, yeah.

   10. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:08:37

       It is so fucking good what you wrote. If everybody, folks who are listening have a chance to read David's...

   11. JCJason Calacanis1:08:44

       Killer DA.

   12. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:08:45

       The Killer DA. Um, but it basically, you know, starts with the profile of this young woman, seemed like an incredible woman that was killed by this, uh, drunk driver. Uh, but anyways, David, do you wanna talk about it and just-

   13. DSDavid Sacks1:08:55

       Yeah, I mean, so for, uh, the last... With- I'd say for the last couple of months, I've been following the San Francisco, uh, l- a couple of San Francisco Police Department accounts on Twitter. And I was noticing these extraordinary tweets, which were getting retweeted a lot, about how they ca- kept, uh, r- arresting and then having to let go of all- all these criminals who were committing burglaries and other crimes. And you could see the frustration of the police department boiling off these tweets. And, you know, b- basically they were subtweeting this new district attorney that we've had, Chesa Boudin, who was elected, uh, is- he's been in office about a year. He was elected at the end of 2019. And so I started doing a little bit of research and then we had this horrible New Year's Eve killing of this, you know, uh, wonderful young woman, uh, Ha- Hannah Abe, who came to America from Japan for college and stayed here for work. She was just 27 years old. She gets killed by, uh, by, by a- a- a criminal, someone who was released, who was paroled by Chesa Boudin, uh, back in April. He had been in jail for armed robbery. Uh, Chesa, uh, released him as part of a plea bargain, and then he was arrested five more times for stealing cars and other crimes, most recently two weeks ago. And the DA refused to press charges and that, that's the reason he was out on New Year's Eve. He stole a car and then there was this hit-and-run where he killed Hannah and another woman. And so, you know, I had already been noticing this issue, and so I started doing some, some research. And I, I have a research assistant helping me with this. It's the only way I could put something like this together. And we went pretty deep and we realized that the death of, of Hannah wasn't just an accident or an act of negligence by this DA. It was part of an overall philosophy of decarceration that he has. Bef- he, his- i- his background is very interesting. He was the child of parents who were in the Weather Underground, who, when he was just a baby, committed armed robbery and were part of the murder, which was-

   14. JCJason Calacanis1:10:59

       Uh, David.

   15. DSDavid Sacks1:11:00

       Yeah.

   16. JCJason Calacanis1:11:00

       David, say the words. They were domestic terrorists.

   17. DSDavid Sacks1:11:02

       Yeah, they were, they were, that's right. They were domestic terrorists. Uh, they participated in an armed robbery against a Brink's truck which resulted in the-

   18. JCJason Calacanis1:11:08

       And these weren't domestic terrorists that were competent when compared to what we saw yesterday in the Capitol. Like, these are highly capable domestic terrorists, to be clear, and I don't know-

   19. DSDavid Sacks1:11:18

       I, I don't know, I don't know how capable they were. Their, their robbery resulted in the death of two police officers and a Brink's guard, and they were put in prison. His mother spent 20 years in prison. She's now released. Her f- his father is still in prison, uh, for almost 40, 40 years. Um, and i- i- he's described in interviews how his earliest memories are visiting his parents in prison and how this shaped his entire political outlook. And he became a public defender, which I think was a pretty good place for him. I think if I were an indigent, you know, criminal defendant, I would want someone like Chesa Boudin on my side. And, but the problem is he ran for district attorney, and he simply doesn't believe in prosecuting huge numbers of crimes...Uh, you know, certainly property crimes, burglary, shoplifting, vandalism. And those crimes have absolutely spiked in the city. You know, a f- a 45% increase in, uh, burglaries in one year, a 35% increase in stolen cars, 30% increase in homicides. Crimes are through the roof because he simply doesn't believe in putting people in jail.

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