Skip to content
All-In PodcastAll-In Podcast

E163: Market rips, Media RIFs, Texas defies Biden, Fintech reckoning, ARkStorm 2.0 & more

(0:00) Bestie intros! (1:37) Markets rip on strong economic data (17:05) Media's broken business model, death spiral (35:47) Texas defies the Biden Admin on the Southern Border after SCOTUS votes in favor of the federal government (1:04:18) Ethics of publishing non-public financial data (1:13:07) Fintech's reckoning (1:26:27) ARkStorm 2.0 Follow the besties: https://twitter.com/chamath https://twitter.com/Jason https://twitter.com/DavidSacks https://twitter.com/friedberg Follow the pod: https://twitter.com/theallinpod https://linktr.ee/allinpodcast Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://twitter.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://twitter.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/25/gdp-q4-2023-the-us-economy-grew-at-a-3point3percent-pace-in-the-fourth-quarter.html https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-012524 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/dow-closes-above-38000-record-high/story?id=106576234 https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/11/cpi-inflation-report-december-2023-consumer-prices-rose-0point3percent-in-december-higher-than-expected-pushing-the-annual-rate-to-3point4percent.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/business/economy/jobs-report-december-2023.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gas-prices-national-average-hit-by-mid-winter-blahs-on-way-to-3gallon-165833984.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/24/tesla-tsla-earnings-q4-2023.html https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/monetary20240124a.htm https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-23/china-mulls-stock-market-rescue-package-backed-by-278-billion https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1750529905627128154 https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-debt https://twitter.com/RealEJAntoni/status/1750537238578930101 https://news.gallup.com/poll/266807/percentage-americans-owns-stock.aspx https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDFUNDS https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2023/12/19/media-companies-have-slashed-over-20000-jobs-in-2023 https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1750507633247678531 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/business/media/los-angeles-times-layoffs-newsroom.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/01/business/media/conde-nast-business.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/23/business/conde-nast-staffers-walkout-layoffs/index.html https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2024-01-18/la-times-guild-calls-for-one-day-walkout-to-protest-looming-staff-cuts https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/19/business/media/sports-illustrated-mass-layoffs.html https://www.npr.org/2024/01/18/1225446347/pitchfork-faces-layoffs-and-restructuring-under-conde-nast https://fortune.com/2023/11/30/yet-another-media-company-is-laying-off-workers-as-the-industrys-retrenchment-hits-vox-media-for-the-second-time-this-year https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/jezebel-shutting-down-go-media-layoffs-1235785877 https://www.npr.org/2023/05/15/1173260377/vice-media-bankruptcy https://twitter.com/BillAckman/status/1750537848447533207 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=wsj.com,Businessinsider.com,twitter.com,nyt.com&hl=en https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-20/recall-candidate-larry-elder-is-a-threat-to-black-californians https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters https://www.wsj.com/us-news/illegal-immigration-record-border-6db29cad https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-crossings-u-s-southern-border-record-monthly-high-december https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/court-allows-border-patrol-to-cut-texas-razor-wire-along-rio-grande https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/22/texas-border-supreme-court-immigration https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/Border_Statement_1.24.2024.pdf https://nypost.com/2023/08/19/biden-sells-border-wall-parts-to-thwart-gop-push-to-use-them https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/nyregion/adams-migrants-destroy-nyc.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-opinion-poll-americans-border-crisis https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/california-offer-illegal-immigrants-free-healthcare-deficit-soars-population-shrinks https://einvestingforbeginners.com/average-gross-profit-margin-by-industry https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/status/1750427983448256552 https://twitter.com/WhidbeyWXGuy/status/1750006365790282175 https://twitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1749669643634233384 https://twitter.com/Weather_West/status/1750619800840110131 #allin #tech #news

Jason CalacanishostChamath PalihapitiyahostDavid FriedberghostTucker Carlsonguest
Jan 25, 20241h 33mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Markets soar, media implodes, borders erupt, fintech cracks, storms loom

  1. The episode opens with a discussion of strong U.S. macroeconomic data: surging GDP, record stock indices, moderating inflation, and robust jobs—raising the prospect of a 2024 ‘melt-up’ in markets driven by rate cuts and trillions sitting in cash.
  2. The Besties then examine the costs of massive U.S. debt and rising interest payments, and argue that we’re exiting the zero‑rate era into a long period of structurally higher rates that will reshape business models and valuations.
  3. They pivot to the collapse of legacy media—plunging ad revenue, layoffs, loss of trust, and the rise of experts and citizen journalists on platforms like X—criticizing sensationalism, bias, and ‘lying as a service’ while predicting a decentralized, subscription-driven future.
  4. Later segments cover the Texas–Biden showdown over border security and migration politics, a fintech reckoning as ‘tech’ turns out to be mostly ‘fin’ with weak margins and high CAC, and climate-driven megastorm risk in California (ARkStorm 2.0), which they deem not imminent but increasingly likely over coming decades.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Market strength masks structural debt and rate risks.

Despite strong GDP (3.3%), record equity indices, cooling inflation, and solid jobs, the U.S. is carrying ~$34–35T in federal debt and heading toward ~$1T/year in interest expense, leaving the economy vulnerable if rates don’t fall meaningfully.

Expect a long-term shift from zero rates to a 2–4% world.

The hosts argue we’re unlikely to return to 2020–21-style ZIRP and money-printing; instead, businesses and investors must relearn how to operate and price risk in an environment with structurally higher rates and tighter capital.

Legacy media is shrinking under broken economics and lost trust.

Ad dollars have migrated to Google, Meta, TikTok, Amazon, etc., while unionized newsrooms have rising costs; to survive, many outlets leaned into sensationalism and partisan narratives, eroding credibility and accelerating their own decline.

Audiences are shifting to experts, citizen journalism, and subscriptions.

Direct channels (X, YouTube, podcasts, newsletters) let domain experts bypass gatekeepers, enabling users to triangulate facts across multiple voices; lean, subscription-based micro-outlets and solo journalists can now be economically viable.

The border crisis is politically explosive and poorly aligned with public opinion.

Texas’ showdown with the Biden administration over razor wire symbolizes a wider clash: polls show large majorities want tougher border control, yet federal policy and legal moves appear to many as active under-enforcement or even sabotage.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

When we look back 18 to 24 months from now, the market will probably be materially higher because there's just so much money on the sidelines.

Chamath Palihapitiya

We filled that hole over the last couple of years. Now we've got the quandary of how do we get out of the hole that we're gonna have to pay back over time.

David Friedberg

I think Governor Abbott here is probably gonna lose in a court of law, but he's gonna win in the court of public opinion.

David Sacks

A lot of fintech businesses are just fin businesses. There are a few that are doing great, but many of them masqueraded as having some unique tech advantage until those numbers started to play out.

David Friedberg

Technology is no longer a definable sector… it’s much safer if you say this is a tech‑enabled version of X, and X is all of these other historical sectors of the economy that have existed.

Chamath Palihapitiya

U.S. macroeconomic outlook: GDP growth, inflation, jobs, and market ‘melt‑up’Federal debt, rising interest costs, and the end of the zero‑rate eraCollapse and restructuring of legacy media; rise of direct expert voicesU.S.–Mexico border crisis, Texas vs. Biden, and immigration politicsFintech business model reckoning: margins, CAC, and realistic valuationsGross margin normalization across sectors and the ‘tech-enabled everything’ thesisClimate risk and ARkStorm 2.0: California megaflood scenarios vs. current forecasts

High quality AI-generated summary created from speaker-labeled transcript.

Get more out of YouTube videos.

High quality summaries for YouTube videos. Accurate transcripts to search & find moments. Powered by ChatGPT & Claude AI.

Add to Chrome