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The Stablecoin Future, Milei's Memecoin, DOGE for the DoD, Grok 3, Why Stripe Stays Private

(0:00) The Besties welcome John and Patrick Collison! (4:28) Stripe's business evolution: $1T in volume/year, stablecoins, challenging the Visa/Mastercard duopoly, publishing economic indicators (20:31) Jamie Dimon's leaked rant on remote work and bureaucracy (34:22) DOGE for Defense: Trump ordered the Pentagon to look at cutting the defense budget by 8%/year over the next five years (43:51) Crypto Corner: Milei's Memecoin embarrassment (1:00:18) John and Patrick break down the Arc Institute and its new Evo 2 AI model (1:18:04) Grok 3 takes the LLM lead, lessons learned from Elon's Colossus scale up (1:30:22) Science Corner: Asteroid update (1:35:42) Why Stripe hasn't gone public yet, despite great metrics Register for All-In at SXSW: https://allin.com/events Follow John: https://x.com/collision Follow Patrick: https://x.com/patrickc Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/23/stripes-1point1-billion-deal-for-bridge-marks-much-needed-win-for-vc.html https://x.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1890202488596492620 https://www.coworker.org/petitions/professional-dignity https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-03/shopify-ceo-tobi-lutke-tells-employees-to-just-say-no-to-meetings https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/02/19/trump-pentagon-budget-cuts https://x.com/chamath/status/1887721593784443071 https://www.amazon.com/Boyd-Fighter-Pilot-Who-Changed/dp/0316796883 https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/16/americas/argentina-milei-libra-cryptocurrency-impeachment-calls-intl-latam/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/18/americas/argentina-milei-defends-libra-crypto-tweet-intl-latam/index.html https://arcinstitute.org https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/evo-2-biomolecular-ai https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/grok-3 https://x.com/GavinSBaker/status/1891721991444447343 https://www.amazon.com/Henry-J-Kaiser-Builder-American/dp/0292742266 https://x.com/AsteroidWatch/status/1892338055354159256 https://x.com/AsteroidWatch/status/1892631907646447746 #allin #tech #news

Jason CalacanishostChamath PalihapitiyahostJohn CollisonguestPatrick CollisonguestDavid FriedberghostJamie Dimonguest
Feb 21, 20251h 45mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Stripe Founders Reveal Stablecoin Strategy, Remote Work Data, IPO Plans

  1. Stripe cofounders Patrick and John Collison join the All-In crew to discuss Stripe’s evolution from startup payment processor to global financial infrastructure handling over $1T annually, and its expanding bet on stablecoins and B2B finance automation.
  2. They explain why stablecoins’ real value is in cross-border money movement and dollar access abroad, how Stripe is integrating USDC via its Bridge acquisition, and why Visa/Mastercard economics are more nuanced than simple “rent extraction.”
  3. The group digs into fraud as a larger problem than payment fees, Stripe’s internal data on remote work productivity—especially for early-career employees—and why the company has chosen to remain private and profitable rather than rush an IPO.
  4. Later segments range from defense spending and defense-tech startups, to the hazards of meme coins exemplified by Argentina’s Milei, to the Arc Institute’s open-source EVO2 biology model and the broader impact of AI and constraints on large-scale innovation.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Stablecoins’ First Real Product-Market Fit Is Cross-Border and Dollar Access

Patrick and John emphasize that stablecoins are finally “really useful,” not as a domestic card-replacement, but for cross-border uses: treasury management at companies like SpaceX and Scale AI, remittances, and consumers in high-inflation countries holding dollar balances (e.g., Nigerians fleeing the naira’s devaluation). Stripe’s acquisition of Bridge positions it as infrastructure for this use case, initially routing All-In–style merchants to USDC acceptance with a toggle in Stripe. Action: If you serve international users or pay global contractors, evaluate stablecoins for treasury and payouts where local currency is weak or rails are expensive.

Visa/Mastercard Fees Mostly Fund Rewards and Credit, Not Pure Rent

Patrick pushes back on the simplistic idea that card networks are just “rent extractors.” Most interchange flows back to issuing banks, which then fund consumer credit and rewards programs; card portfolios are often not massive profit pools. Any system that displaces Visa/Mastercard must answer: what happens to consumer rewards, credit access, and protections? Action: When modeling alternative rails (ACH, stablecoins, real-time payments), include the second-order impacts on customer incentives and credit, not just merchant fees.

Fraud Costs Often Exceed Payment Fees—and Network Reputation Is a Key Moat

Stripe sees that many businesses lose more to fraud and broken A/R–A/P than to bare transaction costs. Stripe’s network sees the same card 93% of the time, allowing it to act as a reputation layer: unknown cards/emails are instant risk signals. For many companies (e.g., payroll firms), a single fraud incident can cost millions. Stripe expects growing on-network counterparty transactions and lower fraud to be the main drivers of future fee reductions, more than raw rail cost changes. Action: Treat fraud prevention, identity, and invoice automation (e.g., Stripe Billing) as core levers in your margin stack, not back-office afterthoughts.

Remote Work Works for Seniors, Fails Early-Career Talent Without Structure

Stripe measured productivity pre-COVID and found a clear pattern: experienced “cabin in Idaho” types can be extraordinarily productive remotely, but early-career employees underperform and suffer personally when isolated. John calls full-remote for 23-year-olds “literally solitary confinement.” Stripe now runs a hybrid model with strong offices plus a remote subset, and is data-driven rather than doctrinaire. Action: Design remote policies by segment—optimize for your top 10% performers, but ensure junior staff get in-person mentorship and socialization, or expect a weaker talent pipeline.

Meetings and Org Bloat Are Often Software-Driven, Not Software-Solved

Chamath argues that off-the-shelf enterprise software—CRMs, marketing stacks, etc.—has hardened role boundaries and created bureaucracy rather than deep efficiency, leading to “organizational bloat.” The panel cites Shopify’s Tobi Lütke mass-deleting recurring meetings via script and seeing many never come back. Patrick warns CEOs not to design policies around the worst 5% (quiet quitters, anti-work anecdotes), but around the top 10% performers. Action: Periodically zero-base your meetings and tools; treat SaaS as a symptom-optimizer, not a root-cause cure, and redesign roles and workflows rather than layering tools on top of broken processes.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Stablecoins are finally happening and they’re really useful.

John Collison

The big use case that’s taking off right now is consumers in other countries seeking to hold dollars.

Patrick Collison

Most businesses lose more money to fraud than they do to the pure transaction costs themselves.

Patrick Collison

If you need a 25-year-old Fidelity analyst asking you to double-click on your CapEx to run the company with discipline, something is horribly wrong.

John Collison

This is our life’s work… we’ll be very happily running Stripe in 10 years’ time, in 20 years’ time.

John Collison

Stripe’s scale, business model, and expansion beyond paymentsStablecoins, dollar dominance, and cross-border financeFraud, B2B payments, and Stripe’s network/reputation effectsRemote work, meetings, and organizational bloatDefense spending, defense-tech, and technology-led procurement reformMeme coins, Milei’s Libra scandal, and gambling-like financial productsArc Institute, EVO2 biology foundation model, and AI-driven scienceAI infrastructure (Grok-3/Colossus), constraints, and innovationStripe’s philosophy on staying private and IPO timing

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