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Trump: Send National Guard to SF, China Rare Earths Trade War, AI's PR Crisis

(0:00) Bestie intros! Dreamforce and another interesting conference take the Bay Area (3:35) State of crime in SF, do they need the National Guard? (20:48) US to impose price floors after China puts export controls on rare earths, can America on-shore a full-stack rare earth industry? (36:15) State of US-China ahead of the Trump-Xi meeting, how we got here, China's elite mercantilism and strong economic history (52:59) AI PR crisis: Recent datacenters get denied Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/10/us/marc-benioff-san-francisco-guard.html https://www.wsj.com/opinion/san-francisco-cleans-up-for-xi-why-not-for-thee-242c67e3 https://x.com/the_jefferymead/status/1978130345200427334 https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/nualabishari/article/san-francisco-harm-reduction-managed-alcohol-19489131.php https://www.kqed.org/news/11985941/sf-program-isnt-just-free-beer-for-unhoused-its-backed-up-by-research https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/jb-pritzker-won-14-million-vegas-playing-blackjack-rcna237961 https://www.ft.com/content/ca3b3254-e161-41d1-b459-bc3c83004e4e https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/12/business/china-rare-earth-export-controls.html https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115351840469973590 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115350455734003647 https://mpmaterials.com/mountain-pass https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trump-track-meet-xi-south-korea-bessent-says-2025-10-13/ https://chinapower.csis.org/tracker/china-gdp https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-communist-party-holds-plenum-its-next-five-year-plan-what-does-it-mean-2025-10-15 https://www.economist.com/china/2025/10/09/xi-jinping-is-personally-involved-in-chinas-new-five-year-plan https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Kuan-Yew-Insights-international/dp/0262019124 https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/The-Australian-November-18-2005.pdf https://nationalinterest.org/feature/can-china-rise-peacefully-10204 https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/china-imposes-extraterritorial-jurisdiction-and-50-rule-export-controls-rare-earth https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/commerce-department-issues-affiliates-5215830/ https://www.amazon.com/End-History-Last-Man/dp/0743284550 https://www.amazon.com/Clash-Civilizations-Remaking-World-Order/dp/1451628978 https://www.amazon.com/World-Flat-History-Twenty-first-Century/dp/0374292884 https://x.com/balajis/status/1937517664907460980 https://x.com/chamath/status/1978584886329082098 https://www.datacenterwatch.org/report https://x.com/chamath/status/1977794775148601541 #allin #tech #news

Jason CalacanishostChamath PalihapitiyahostDavid FriedberghostGuestguest
Oct 17, 20251h 16mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Trump, China, And AI: National Guard, Rare Earths, And Backlash

  1. The episode opens with banter from Dreamforce in San Francisco, then pivots into a serious debate about crime, homelessness, and whether Trump’s proposed National Guard deployment to San Francisco is warranted given recent improvements. The discussion then moves to China’s new export controls on rare earth minerals, U.S. dependence on Chinese supply chains, and how price floors, deregulation, and strategic reserves might rebuild domestic capability. The hosts zoom out to the larger U.S.–China rivalry, tracing how WTO policy and corporate incentives helped create today’s dependency and multipolar world. Finally, they examine AI’s emerging PR crisis: data-center backlash over power and water, fears of job loss, and how to communicate AI’s benefits while addressing real local and economic concerns.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

San Francisco is statistically improving, but a blighted downtown core fuels calls for federal intervention.

Friedberg cites city data showing crime down ~30% citywide and ~40% downtown, homicides at a 70-year low, tents largely removed, car break-ins at a 25-year low, and net police hiring for the first time in seven years. Yet Sacks argues Market Street still resembles an open-air drug market with a concentrated Honduran fentanyl network, suggesting a targeted National Guard or federal operation could rapidly clean up the area, as Newsom did before Xi’s visit.

Homelessness in San Francisco is heavily subsidized, creating perverse incentives and a regional magnet for addiction.

The hosts claim San Francisco spends roughly $700–800M annually on homelessness—around $52,000 per homeless person—largely via NGOs paid per “client,” which they argue incentivizes maintaining rather than solving addiction and homelessness. Programs like the $5M/year Managed Alcohol Program (free beer for alcoholics) are highlighted as emblematic of well‑intentioned but absurd policies. They call for cutting these funding flows and mandating treatment transitions instead.

China’s rare earth dominance is the product of decades of strategic mercantilism, not a free market outcome.

China identified rare earths, EVs, batteries, and pharma APIs as strategic sectors in the 1990s, then used subsidies, provincial balance sheets, and quasi‑state entities to undercut global prices, drive competitors like Molycorp out of business, and build a near‑monopoly in mining, processing, and magnet casting. WTO rules allowing “developing countries” to subsidize key industries, plus U.S. environmental and regulatory burdens, enabled this outcome and left the U.S. geopolitically vulnerable.

The hosts endorse a more activist U.S. industrial policy: strategic reserves and limited price guarantees in critical inputs.

While Friedberg is wary of permanent price floors and prefers deregulation and tax incentives, Sacks and Chamath argue that in strategic materials like rare earths, pure market logic can’t overcome China’s ability to dump supply and crash prices. They support public–private structures where the U.S. acts as buyer of last resort, builds strategic reserves (analogous to oil), and offers enough price certainty that investors can finance domestic mining, processing, and magnet production despite Chinese dumping risk.

U.S.–China relations are shifting from naive integration to managed rivalry between competing international orders.

Sacks argues that U.S. elites wrongly believed enriching China would liberalize its politics (Fukuyama’s ‘End of History’ logic), but instead created a powerful illiberal competitor, confirming warnings from Mearsheimer and Huntington. He notes China’s parallel institutions—BRICS, Belt and Road, Shanghai Cooperation Organization—and describes it as a “re‑ascending” power that historically held the world’s largest GDP ~70% of years since 1500. The solution now, he says, is a top‑level Trump–Xi ‘grand bargain’ to stabilize competition while both sides reduce strategic dependencies.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We don’t have to live in San Francisco with our main street, Market Street, basically being an open-air drug market.

David Sacks

You get as much homelessness as you’re willing to pay for.

David Sacks (quoting Thomas Sowell)

China is not a rising power; China is a re‑ascending power… from 1500 to now, China had the world’s largest GDP 70% of those years.

Chamath Palihapitiya

AI is the difference between having great GDP growth, say around 4%, and modest GDP growth around 2%.

David Sacks

Humans are end-to-end; AI is middle-to-middle.

David Sacks (attributing to Balaji Srinivasan)

San Francisco crime, homelessness, and Trump’s National Guard proposalHonduran fentanyl networks, deportations, and local vs federal enforcementChina’s rare earth export controls and U.S. supply chain vulnerabilityU.S. industrial policy: price floors, deregulation, and strategic reservesLong-term U.S.–China power competition and WTO-era policy mistakesAI data centers: local resistance over power, water, and noiseAI’s economic impact, job displacement fears, and public perception

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