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Trump verdict, COVID Cover-up, Crypto Corner, Salesforce drops 20%, AI correction?

(0:00) Bestie Intros: Jason's first show for his new production company (2:15) Why Sacks and Chamath are hosting a Trump fundraiser (18:40) House COVID investigation: findings, cover-up, what's next? (41:36) The Deep State Problem: unelected bureaucrats running three letter agencies for decades (53:04) Crypto Corner with Chamath (1:04:15) State of SaaS: Salesforce drops 20%, market teetering (1:20:10) Trump verdict: guilty on 34 counts of falsifying business records (1:37:36) Are we seeing an AI correction? Follow the besties: https://twitter.com/chamath https://twitter.com/Jason https://twitter.com/DavidSacks https://twitter.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://twitter.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@all_in_tok Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://twitter.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://twitter.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://oversight.house.gov/release/new-select-subcommittee-report-recommends-ecohealth-alliance-president-debarred-and-criminally-investigated-exposes-failures-in-nih-grant-procedures https://oversight.house.gov/release/hearing-wrap-up-nih-repeatedly-refutes-ecohealth-alliance-president-dr-peter-daszaks-testimony-tabak-testimony-reveals-federal-grant-procedures-in-need-of-serious-reform https://www.axios.com/2021/07/20/fauci-rand-paul-wuhan-institute https://oversight.house.gov/release/breaking-hhs-suspends-funding-and-proposes-formal-debarment-of-ecohealth-alliance-cites-evidence-from-covid-select-report https://oversight.house.gov/release/breaking-hhs-to-debar-dr-peter-daszak-president-of-ecohealth-alliance https://x.com/emilyakopp/status/1795482121739354552 https://x.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1795454118594568312 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGxSlW0NrB4 https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/dual-use-research/feds-lift-gain-function-research-pause-offer-guidance https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-flu-virus-risk-worth-taking/2011/12/30/gIQAM9sNRP_story.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484390 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext https://oversight.house.gov/release/new-covid-select-memo-details-allegations-of-wrongdoing-and-illegal-activity-by-dr-faucis-senior-scientific-advisor https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit https://x.com/KatherineEban https://x.com/emilyakopp https://www.semafor.com/article/05/28/2024/a-dying-empire-led-by-bad-people-poll-finds-young-voters-despairing-over-us-politics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvQTXAgtA6s https://s23.q4cdn.com/574569502/files/doc_financials/2025/q1/CRM-Q1-FY25-Earnings-Press-Release-w-financials.pdf https://www.investors.com/news/economy/federal-reserve-core-pce-inflation-gdp-q1-jobless-claims-sp-500 https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/30/nyregion/trump-trial-verdict https://www.google.com/finance/quote/DELL:NYSE https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-30/us-gdp-grew-at-softer-pace-as-spending-inflation-marked-down #allin #tech #news

Jason CalacanishostChamath PalihapitiyahostDavid FriedberghostNarratorhost
May 30, 20241h 47mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Trump Verdict, COVID Cover-up, Crypto, AI Bubble: All-In Explodes

  1. This All-In Podcast episode weaves together reaction to Trump’s New York conviction, emerging evidence of a COVID lab-leak cover-up, the politicization of crypto, and early signs of an AI-fueled tech correction.
  2. The besties debate hosting a Trump fundraiser while insisting on political pluralism and media skepticism, arguing that the ‘deep state’ and mainstream press have lost public trust.
  3. They dive deep into new congressional revelations about NIH, EcoHealth, and Fauci-era gain-of-function research, calling it a systemic failure with massive economic and societal fallout.
  4. On markets, they frame Bitcoin’s post‑halving cycles, Salesforce and Dell’s selloffs, and huge AI capex as signs of a looming tech and macro reckoning, not yet matched by real productivity gains.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Hosting Trump while insisting on pluralism is a deliberate brand choice

Chamath and Sacks are hosting a Trump fundraiser and expect Trump on the pod, positioning All-In as a venue for all serious presidential candidates regardless of party. They stress that they’ve hosted and raised for RFK Jr., Vivek Ramaswamy, Dean Phillips, and would do the same for Biden. Their stated goal is to make All-In a first-stop platform for major candidates, modeling that close friends can disagree sharply on politics without ‘de‑friending’ each other.

Evidence of a COVID lab-leak cover-up is mounting and bipartisan

The House subcommittee on the origins of COVID has uncovered NIH-funded gain-of-function work in Wuhan via EcoHealth despite Fauci’s prior denials. Emails show NIH official David Morens explicitly describing how to evade FOIA (misspelling names, using private email, deleting records) and crediting the NIH ‘FOIA lady’ for teaching him “tricks.” The besties argue this points to a coordinated attempt to hide NIH’s role in risky research that may have led to the pandemic.

COVID response created enormous, long-lived economic and social damage

Chamath frames the post‑COVID world as suffering less from the virus than from the policy reaction: trillions in new permanent spending, a blown “seal” on fiscal discipline, and a debt overhang that will burden future generations. They highlight rushed mass vaccination with incomplete data, lost school years for children, mental health fallout, and a normalization of emergency powers, all of which they say demand accountability—not just for the lab work but for the cover-up.

The ‘deep state’ and expert class are seen as unaccountable and politicized

Drawing parallels between Fauci, Victoria Nuland, and long‑tenured bureaucrats at CIA/State, the hosts argue the permanent administrative class often outlives elected leadership and steers policy according to its own ideology. They suggest term limits for senior bureaucrats and even shuttering some three-letter agencies. The perceived complicity of legacy media in defending Fauci and smearing lab‑leak proponents is framed as proof that access journalism has replaced real oversight.

Crypto has become a real political bloc, potentially decisive in 2024

Chamath and Sacks note Trump’s new pro‑crypto stance and the backlash to years of Elizabeth Warren/Gensler hostility. With ~50 million Americans owning crypto, they argue even a fraction becoming single‑issue voters could swing a close election. Young people, already disillusioned with U.S. institutions, see crypto as an opt‑out from a system they don’t trust. That’s pushing the industry to organize as a formidable lobby rather than relying on regulatory capture schemes like FTX/SBF.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If we can earn that trust and have the integrity to allow all sides to tell a fair story, that is going to be a really powerful thing and an artifact to leave behind for people.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Fauci, from the get-go, was lying about the origins of COVID in order to cover up his role in funding this type of research.

David Sacks

We broke the seal of having absolutely no accountability on massive spending… that is a direct consequence of our reaction to COVID, not COVID itself.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Most people are sort of in the middle, and most people in any given election can be persuaded one way or the other. The most important thing that we could do is get all of them, give all of them an opportunity to really tell an unfiltered version of their truth and then let the chips fall where they may.

Chamath Palihapitiya

You cannot spend this kind of money and show no incremental revenue potential… we’re now spending $750 billion. This is on the order of a national transfer payment, and we’ve seen nothing to show for it.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Trump fundraiser, political pluralism, and the reaction to his New York convictionCOVID-19 origins, NIH/EcoHealth gain-of-function research, and alleged Fauci-led cover-upDeep state, bureaucratic power, and collapse of trust in mainstream media and institutionsCrypto politics, Bitcoin halving analysis, and generational distrust of government moneyAI spending boom versus weak enterprise results and early signs of an AI correctionSalesforce and Dell earnings as indicators of SaaS saturation and macro slowdownFuture of software pricing, productivity, and the impact of AI on enterprise behavior

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