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White House BTS, Google buys Wiz, Treasury vs Fed, Space Rescue

(0:00) Welcoming Cyan Banister and David Sacks! (3:23) Behind the scenes of the Besties in DC: White House, cabinet interviews, and more (33:00) How M&A will be unleashed, Google buys Wiz for $32B, Tim Walz on Tesla (49:09) Deep dive on Google/Wiz: breakup fee, impact on VC, ROIC, cloud advantage (1:00:28) Treasury vs Fed tension, Bond markets, consumers, deregulation (1:12:57) Space rescue, SpaceX vs China, lunar landing Thanks to our partners for making this happen: Hims: https://www.hims.com | https://www.forhers.com Gemini: https://www.gemini.com/allin iTrustCapital (use code allin): https://www.itrustcapital.com/allin Follow Cyan: https://x.com/cyantist Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Jason runs Founder.University, a pre-accelerator for year zero startups apply today: https://www.founder.university Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: Bessent interview: https://youtu.be/lSma9suyp24 Lutnick interview: https://youtu.be/182ckTL2KBA https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/18/google-to-acquire-cloud-security-startup-wiz-for-32-billion.html https://x.com/Tim_Walz/status/1902197581586833643 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-party-hits-new-polling-low-voters-want-fight-trump-harder-rcna196161 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144 https://www.ft.com/content/e6f516e8-2262-44d2-a030-7071b62b0be7 https://x.com/thesamparr/status/1902385138308104685 https://www.wsj.com/economy/central-banking/interest-rates-decision-federal-reserve-ed172223 https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/technology/eric-schmidt-relativity-space.html https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/11/chinas-long-term-lunar-plans-now-depend-on-developing-its-own-starship https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/steve-kornacki-white-men-white-women-gap-gender-gap-rcna196791 #allin #tech #news

Chamath PalihapitiyahostJason CalacanishostCyan BanisterguestDavid FriedberghostWhite House staffer (communications official)guestTim Walz (recorded clip)guest
Mar 22, 20251h 30mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 4:20

    Cold Open: White House Coke Machine and Class Jokes

    The show opens with banter about a Coca-Cola Freestyle machine at the White House Navy Mess, used to tease Chamath about being out of touch with everyday prices and lifestyle. It sets a light, comedic tone before shifting into the more serious Washington content.

  2. 4:20 – 22:10

    All-In Goes to Washington: Besties at the White House

    The hosts recount their trip to D.C., including hanging out in David Sacks’s West Wing office and touring iconic spaces like the Oval Office, press briefing room, and Navy Mess. They emphasize the small physical scale of the West Wing, the density of VIP encounters, and the emotional impact of immigrant founders ending up in America’s most powerful rooms.

  3. 22:10 – 36:40

    Inside the Oval: Meeting POTUS and Seeing Power Up Close

    Chamath narrates a detailed account of their meeting with President Trump in the Oval Office and private dining room, including watching a SpaceX Dragon landing live with him. The hallway outside becomes a parade of power as Marco Rubio, Sheikh Tahnoun, and the CIA director pass by, underscoring how compressed and intense decision-making is at the top of U.S. government.

  4. 36:40 – 49:10

    Life in the West Wing: Navy Mess, Situation Room, and Happy Staff

    The group describes daily life and infrastructure around the West Wing, from burgers stamped with the presidential seal at the Navy Mess to the unassuming door of the Situation Room. They highlight staff happiness, constant motion, and how high-caliber private-sector recruits are being given real autonomy by Trump.

  5. 49:10 – 58:40

    Money for Purpose: Elite Operators in Government

    Sacks and Chamath articulate a thesis: successful private-sector leaders in this administration are making a conscious trade—less money, more purpose. They argue this model, where proven operators rotate into government to drive a results-focused agenda (cutting deficits, deregulating where needed), could be a structural improvement in U.S. governance beyond partisan cycles.

  6. 58:40 – 1:11:40

    Behind the Bessent and Lutnick Interviews: Access, Character, and Deficits

    They share how, on short notice in D.C., they recorded long-form interviews with Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick in historic government rooms, with no press handlers. JCal critiques what he would have asked, then praises Bessent as a markets heavyweight whose presence reassures him about Trump’s economic team despite tariff chaos.

  7. 1:11:40 – 1:30:00

    Cyan Bannister’s New Fund and the Power of Non-Consensus Bets

    Cyan announces Long Journey Ventures’ new $181M early-stage fund and explains her philosophy of backing “magically weird” founders years before categories are named. She and Jason recount early Uber and Niantic stories as case studies in contrarian conviction, emphasizing that real venture alpha comes from getting in early, cheap, and before consensus forms.

  8. 1:30:00 – 1:42:30

    Google Buys Wiz: Strategic Rationale, Premium Price, and VC Implications

    The panel dissects Google’s $32B all-cash acquisition of Wiz, the largest in its history. They explore why Google would pay 30–60x ARR, the significance of a 10% breakup fee, Wiz’s design-led wedge into multi-cloud, and how this might mark a thaw in big-tech M&A and a validation of security as an underinvested venture category.

  9. 1:42:30 – 1:51:40

    Lutnick’s ‘Lighthouse’ Strategy: Big Tech Building Government Software for Free

    The hosts unpack Howard Lutnick’s proposal that the U.S. government should have top software firms build core systems (like customs/tariff software) for free, using America as a lighthouse reference customer. In return, those firms can sell the same product to every other country that must connect to U.S. systems.

  10. 1:51:40 – 2:04:40

    Tim Walz vs. Tesla: Cheering Against American Companies and Party Drift

    The panel reacts angrily to a clip of Democratic VP prospect Tim Walz mocking Tesla’s stock price at a rally and telling owners to peel off their badges. They argue politicians should never root for American firms to fail, and use this as a springboard to critique the Democratic Party’s lack of coherent moderate beliefs and its capture by far-left, quasi-Marxist factions.

  11. 2:04:40 – 2:40:00

    Fed vs. Treasury: Short-Term Funding Mistakes, Tariffs, and Uncharted Territory

    Using a Bessent clip about Janet Yellen’s issuance strategy, the hosts explain how funding deficits with short-term paper locked the U.S. into painful refinancing at higher rates. Friedberg stresses that simultaneous deficit cuts and sweeping tariffs are historically unprecedented, leaving the Fed flying blind and the bond market cautiously signaling future cuts.

  12. 2:40:00 – 2:54:10

    SpaceX vs. Boeing: Astronaut Rescue and the New Space Race

    Friedberg updates a story the show covered months earlier: Boeing’s Starliner stranded two astronauts, who were finally brought home by SpaceX’s Crew Dragon. The hosts condemn political hesitation to call SpaceX earlier, contrast Boeing’s failures with SpaceX’s 16 successful crewed missions, and then pivot to Firefly’s lunar lander and China’s Starship-like Long March 9 as signals of an intensifying space and industrial race.

  13. 2:54:10

    China’s Advanced Manufacturing vs. America’s Cultural and Educational Drift

    The episode closes by zooming out: Friedberg argues China’s manufacturing edge is driven more by automation and systems design than “slave labor,” and that the U.S. must build advanced manufacturing, not just bring back low-skill jobs. Cyan and Chamath warn that American education culture—DEI excess, anti-rigorous narratives like ‘math is racist’—is crippling the talent pipeline just as China surges ahead in AI and industrial capacity.

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