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Mission vs. Ego: The Dangers of Narcissistic Leadership

Show Notes Adam Grant, Why We Fall for Narcissistic Leaders, Starting in Grade School, NYT 2025. O'Reilly et al. 2001 When 'Me' Trumps 'We': Narcissistic Leaders and the Cultures They Create, 2021 Brené Brown, "Shame shields" in The Dare to Lead Glossary: Key Language skills, tools, and practices. (pg. 15-16) Bagozzi et al. 2003 (A study on cross-cultural differences in reaction to shame) Brené Brown, Dan Pink on The Power of Regret, Dare to Lead, 2022 We're The Millers (Trailer) 2013, Awkward Roadtrip Moments: No Ragrets George Saunders, "Failures of Kindness", Convocation Speech, 2013 Emily Grijalva et al. 2020 (A study of the impact of narcissim on NBA team performance) How Brené Brown and Lumen CEO Kate Johnson Sparked This Telecom Comeback, WSJ Leadership Institute, 2025 (11:25) Adam Grant, Unless You're Oprah, ‘Be Yourself’ Is Terrible Advice - Adam Grant 2016 NYT My response to Adam Grant’s New York Times Op/ED: Unless You're Oprah, ‘Be Yourself’ Is Terrible Advice - Brené Brown LinkedIn 2016 Watts et al, 2014 (A study of grandiose narcissism and vulnerable narcissism in U.S. Presidents)

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Apr 2, 20261h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. BB

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  5. BB

    Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Curiosity Shop. This episode was filmed live in Austin, Texas at South by Southwest on March 15th. Let's jump in. [upbeat music] [bell dings] [audience cheering] Hey. I already broke it, y'all.

  6. AG

    [laughs]

  7. BB

    Wait. Seriously, wait. I don't know. What, can y'all hear me okay?

  8. AG

    Yes.

  9. BB

    How's it going?

  10. AG

    Good. [cheering]

  11. BB

    Okay, y'all wanna hear something fun?

  12. AG

    Yes.

  13. BB

    This is not really a talk.

  14. AG

    [laughs] See, you all are gonna be really disappointed.

  15. BB

    Yeah. [laughs] This isn't really a talk. We're actually officially announcing a new podcast right now.

  16. AG

    [cheering]

  17. BB

    Yes.

  18. AG

    I can't believe we're doing a podcast together.

  19. BB

    I know. It's cra- [laughs]

  20. AG

    [laughs]

  21. BB

    #same.

  22. AG

    [laughs]

  23. BB

    Um, I'm excited.

  24. AG

    The excitement is mutual. But I feel like it's a little unfair, 'cause we're, we're on your home court here in Texas. [laughs]

  25. BB

    Let's go. Where are my Longhorns?

  26. AG

    Whoo.

  27. BB

    Let's go.

  28. AG

    Not to get competitive.

  29. BB

    No, just to win.

  30. AG

    [laughs]

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