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My Conversation With Patrick O'Shaughnessy, Founder of Colossus & Positive Sum | David Senra

Patrick O'Shaughnessy is the Chairman Emeritus of O'Shaughnessy Asset Management, the founder of Colossus, and the founder and CEO of Positive Sum.

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Dec 21, 20252h 5mWatch on YouTube ↗

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Championing undiscovered talent as a life design choice
Patrick explains why he’s drawn to relatively unknown but high-potential people—and why backing them is the most gratifying thing he can do. David frames this as “positive sum” behavior and probes the underlying motivation and pattern.
- •Learning at the “frontier” by meeting people before they’re widely known
- •Championing others is more emotionally rewarding than personal accolades
- •“Picking sides” and committing resources behind a person you believe in
- •Designing a life/career that maximizes opportunities to support others
How one tweet created an inflection point for Founders
David recounts the day Patrick tweeted support for Founders, triggering a sudden surge of subscribers and validating years of work. They unpack why Patrick saw it as opportunity and service rather than competition.
- •Patrick’s tweet recommending the Estée Lauder episode and why it mattered
- •The paywall era: tiny audience → sudden subscriber flood
- •Why high-quality niche audiences (investors/founders) compound impact fast
- •Non-competitive mindset: promoting great work as a default behavior
The Upanishads passage that cemented a service worldview
Patrick traces a foundational belief back to a passage in the Upanishads that reframed life as fundamentally about helping others. He connects this to the recurring theme of “someone bet on me before I deserved it.”
- •The “kindest thing” question and the pattern of early belief/bets
- •Patrick’s search through philosophy and religious texts in his mid-20s
- •Upanishads passage: helping others as the point of existence
- •Obligation to foster potential once you see it
Growth without goals: principles over plans
Patrick describes why he rejects traditional goal-setting and instead follows an “inventing on principle” approach. He argues goals create blinders, while principles keep you open to the periphery where the best opportunities appear.
- •“Growth Without Goals” and why goals feel constraining to him
- •Bret Victor’s “Inventing on Principle” and collapsing feedback loops
- •A principle as a universal filter for time, decisions, and relationships
- •Opportunity from the periphery (e.g., discovering David via Hinkie)
Parenting, examples, and the long road to articulating your principle
Patrick explains how becoming a father sharpened his thinking about what to model rather than what to preach. He also shares how long it took to clearly name his principle—and how borrowing others’ principles can still work.
- •Writing letters to his son as a forcing function for values clarity
- •“Show, not tell” as a core parenting and leadership belief
- •It can take a decade to articulate your true organizing principle
- •Stealing a great principle (instant feedback) to build better software
Fear, introspection, and chasing the feeling of being alive
They explore why people avoid the paths that make them feel most alive, landing on fear and the discomfort of originality. Patrick describes his earlier “masochism for introspection,” rooted partly in a lifelong fear of death, and why it faded once direction clarified.
- •“Feeling alive” as a better compass than “meaning” or external markers
- •Best story wins: originality, hardship, transformation
- •Why people avoid originality: fear, comfort, and uncertainty
- •Patrick’s deep early introspection and how it lessened over time
Biography as true understanding—and the Daniel Ek dinner that launched a new show
David explains his obsession with deep understanding through biographies and long conversations, contrasting surface narratives with lived reality. He credits Patrick’s urging and a pivotal dinner with Daniel Ek as catalysts for recording more conversations publicly.
- •Biographies/autobiographies as a shortcut to human nature and pattern recognition
- •Long conversations as the path to trust and non-superficial truth
- •The Invest Like the Best “Passion and Pain” episode as an inflection point
- •Daniel Ek dinner as the spark for David’s on-camera conversation format
Springsteen, depression, and the danger of “dirty fuel” ambition
David uses Bruce Springsteen’s autobiography to examine how achievement can mask deeper needs and trigger collapse. Together they contrast “clean fuel” (generative, service-oriented) with “dirty fuel” (wounding, ego, scarcity) and why the latter often consumes the person.
- •Springsteen’s arc: obsessive work → fame → mid-life depression and therapy
- •The “lie you’re telling yourself” and misidentifying what you truly want
- •Clean fuel vs dirty fuel: effectiveness vs long-term cost
- •Learning from contrasting examples (Springsteen vs LBJ)
Professional learners: podcasting’s unfair advantage and relationship compounding
They describe the compounding benefits of sustained curiosity—studying people, capturing ideas, and building trust over time. David emphasizes how relationships unlock opportunities that are otherwise inaccessible and why “relationships run the world.”
- •Podcasting as structured learning: study, multi-hour conversations, synthesis
- •Stealing ideas ethically: learn from the best, apply fast
- •Access and logistics often follow relationships (e.g., filming location)
- •Founders as “church for entrepreneurs”: reminders as much as new knowledge
Why build Colossus: scarce attention units and the return of deep profiles
Patrick explains the strategic and artistic rationale for building Colossus around long-form profiles and high-quality storytelling. He argues profiles are hard, expensive, and rare—precisely why they stand out in an era optimized for cheap content.
- •Creating scarce, valuable attention to “shine the light” on great people
- •New Yorker-style obsession: writer obsessed with subject, subject obsessed with craft
- •Hard-to-make content as defensible and deeply resonant amid “junk food” media
- •Colossus as a platform to champion both subjects and the writers themselves
Hiring through output: finding Jeremy Stern and proving ‘there’s always room for great’
They discuss how Patrick found Jeremy Stern by consuming the best existing work and recruiting the standout creator. The conversation expands into volume, taste-building through high reps, and the “learn, build, share, repeat” daisy chain that shaped Patrick’s entire career.
- •Recruiting by consuming: find the best example → hire the creator
- •Profiles as an “ultimate spotlight” (the power of the cover)
- •High rep-count passions as clues to compounding careers
- •Daisy chain origin story: reading → newsletter → podcast → investing → Colossus
Red on the color wheel: intensity, whiplash, and leadership through communication
Patrick tells the Sam Hinkie story behind being “red on the color wheel”—high intensity and fast movement that can whiplash collaborators. They connect this to leadership fundamentals: over-communication, consistency, teaching, repetition, and ultimately defining “life’s work.”
- •“Red on the color wheel” and the ‘Eye of Sauron’ attention pattern
- •The fund story: rapid opportunity → sudden shift → jarring for others
- •Great leadership: people want to follow; communication and consistency matter
- •Life’s work definition: “a lifelong quest to build something for others that expresses who you are”
Roles that endure and the kindest thing: Tim O’Shaughnessy and meeting Lauren
They close by exploring enduring roles (husband, father, grandfather) and how service scales through small circles. Patrick answers the signature question with two connected kindnesses: a cousin’s deliberate inclusion that changed his trajectory and the life built with his wife, Lauren.
- •The ‘roles’ exercise: jettison identities to discover what matters most
- •Success reframed as devotion to a few people (coach/grandfather archetype)
- •Tim O’Shaughnessy’s act: social “transplant” into community at Notre Dame
- •Meeting Lauren on night one; kindness as the foundation of an entire life

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