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How To Make Money..."Do Not Buy A House!" 10 Ways To Make REAL Money: Ramit Sethi

In this new episode Steven sits down with personal finance adviser and host of Netflix’s ‘How To Get Rich’. 0:00 Intro 03:05 Why should someone stay and listen to this episode? 04:53 The language of money 06:03 Numbers we should know 09:47 How many people are clear on their rich life 15:40 Why people should think twice about buying a houses 26:00 The S&P500 & investing 37:00 Compound interest calculator 44:20 What are the characteristics of someone that will end up little money 47:44 How do I increase my income? 51:47 Optimising your skill sets 59:11 Should I invest in cypto 01:04:13 Always have 1 year of emergency funds 01:04:52 How much to invest & what you shouldn't question spending money on 01:06:30 Business class flights 01:07:54 Always buy the best 01:08:38 Always spend on these 2 areas 01:11:16 Work only with people you like 01:12:59 don't get caught up in the numbers 01:14:02 Talking about money with a partner 01:29:09 Character traits of people that will never get rich 01:33:18 The last guest's question Follow Ramit: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3Om30Gw Twitter: https://bit.ly/3NXDNAH My new book! 'The 33 Laws Of Business & Life' pre order link: https://smarturl.it/DOACbook Join this channel to get access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Dpmgx5 Follow me:  Instagram: http://bit.ly/3nIkGAZ Twitter: http://bit.ly/3ztHuHm Linkedin: https://bit.ly/41Fl95Q Telegram: http://bit.ly/3nJYxST Sponsors:  Huel: https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb Whoop: http://bit.ly/3zNvvop

Ramit SethiguestSteven Bartletthost
Jul 20, 20231h 38mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 6:20

    Why Most People Stay Broke: Rich Life vs. Money Myths

    The episode opens by contrasting common fears about money advice with Sethi’s philosophy of spending extravagantly on what you love and cutting mercilessly elsewhere. He introduces the idea of a ‘rich life’ that goes far beyond a bank balance and explains why knowledge isn’t the main barrier—our psychology and vague goals are.

    • People expect money advice to be about deprivation; Sethi rejects that.
    • Core principle: spend lavishly on what you love, cut hard on what you don’t.
    • Rich life is about experiences and values, not just net worth.
    • Most people know basics like “save more” and “compound interest” but still don’t act.
    • Behavior, psychology, and clarity of goals are the real leverage points.
  2. 6:20 – 15:00

    Learning the Language of Money and the Four Key Numbers

    Sethi argues most adults lack even ‘driver’s-ed level’ understanding of money. He introduces four core spending buckets and percentage targets that he personally uses, showing how these few numbers can reveal priorities, misalignments, and whether someone’s money behavior matches their stated values.

    • Money literacy is like knowing the rules of the road; most people don't have it.
    • Four numbers: fixed costs (50–60%), savings (5–10%), investments (5–10%), guilt-free spending (20–35%).
    • A quick allocation exercise gives a powerful diagnostic of your financial life.
    • Common dissonance: people claim to want “freedom” while locking themselves into heavy mortgages and debt.
    • Less than 1% of people can describe their rich life in specific, vivid detail.
  3. 15:00 – 27:00

    Designing a Personal, ‘Weird’ Rich Life Instead of Chasing Status

    The discussion turns to what a truly personal rich life looks like and how it often appears irrational to outsiders. Sethi shares his own choices (splurging on travel, driving a 17‑year‑old car) and unpacks how status, childhood, and social pressure shape big purchases like cars and houses.

    • A well-crafted rich life looks idiosyncratic from the outside—like a handmade glove.
    • Example: Sethi spends heavily on hotels and travel but keeps a very old car.
    • Intentional extravagance in one area must be paired with ruthless cutting in others.
    • Many purchases (Lamborghinis, mansions) are driven by external validation, not intrinsic joy.
    • Large status-driven purchases can actively harm happiness (e.g., isolated country mansion).
  4. 27:00 – 40:00

    Debunking the ‘Always Buy a House’ Narrative

    Sethi deconstructs the cultural story that homeownership is the pinnacle of success and the best investment. He shows how most people miscalculate returns by ignoring maintenance, inflation, interest, and opportunity cost, and he explains when buying can make sense versus when renting plus investing is financially superior.

    • The ‘American Dream’ of a single-family home is a product of decades of messaging.
    • People misjudge their returns by subtracting purchase price from sale price and ignoring hidden costs.
    • Key missing factors: maintenance, repairs, property taxes, inflation, mortgage interest, and lost investment returns.
    • In New York, owning would have cost Sethi ~2.2x his rent; he chose to rent and invest the difference.
    • Owning for rental income can work if you properly include all ‘phantom costs’ and it truly cash flows.
    • Central rule: for your biggest purchase, you must run a detailed spreadsheet and never feel guilty for renting.
  5. 40:00 – 48:00

    Lifestyle, Flexibility, and the Hidden Cost of Being ‘Anchored’

    Beyond numbers, Sethi stresses the lifestyle implications of buying a house, especially for young people. He argues that buying too early can trap you geographically and professionally, and he advises graduates to ‘move where the action is’ before locking into a long-term property commitment.

    • Houses are extremely costly and slow to sell; they lock you into a geography.
    • A 10-year time horizon is a sensible minimum before buying, to amortize transaction costs.
    • Renting gives flexibility to move for better jobs, networks, and serendipitous opportunities.
    • Young people are often urged to buy without having ever modeled the financial trade-offs.
    • Over ~100 years, house price appreciation has only slightly exceeded inflation; broad stock markets have done significantly better after fees.
  6. 48:00 – 58:00

    How to Start Investing: Target-Date Funds and Boring Automation

    The conversation shifts into a step-by-step guide for beginners. Sethi explains what index and target-date funds are, where to open an account, why he dislikes gamified investing apps, and how to set up an automatic, ‘paint-drying’ investment system that operates with minimal attention.

    • Most people have never had a real conversation about investing; they assume it’s only for the rich.
    • Target-date funds: one diversified fund that automatically adjusts risk as you age.
    • Index or target-date funds own hundreds of stocks; you don’t pick individual companies.
    • Open accounts at low-cost brokers; avoid trading apps that encourage frequent moves.
    • Set up monthly automatic contributions (5–10%+ of take-home) from checking to investments.
    • Investing should be so boring you check accounts only every 3–6 months and rarely change anything.
  7. 58:00 – 1:04:00

    Automation, Account Setup, and Not Raiding Your Investments

    Sethi outlines how to structure bank and investment accounts so saving and investing happen without willpower, and so you don’t treat investments like a checking account. He describes separating checking, multiple savings sub-accounts, and investments, then automating transfers and bill payments.

    • Common mistake: pulling money out of investments to pay bills, treating them as cash.
    • Ideal flow: paycheck → checking → automatic transfers to savings sub-accounts → investments → guilt-free spending.
    • Credit cards are auto-paid in full monthly to avoid interest and mental load.
    • Initial setup takes a few weeks; after that, you can run your finances in under an hour a month.
    • Automation makes investing easier than brushing your teeth, because it removes daily decisions.
  8. 1:04:00 – 1:16:00

    Proof in the Numbers: Compounding, Market Returns, and Millionaire Math

    Using a live compound interest calculator exercise, Sethi demonstrates how modest, consistent contributions at 7% can grow into hundreds of thousands or even millions over a working lifetime. He connects this to research on long-term market returns and points out how extreme compounding powered Warren Buffett’s wealth.

    • Historically, U.S. stock markets returned ~10–11% nominal, ~7–8% after inflation.
    • Small, regular contributions (e.g., $5,000/year) can reach six figures within a couple of decades.
    • With higher later-life contributions, projections can exceed $10 million by age 65.
    • Warren Buffett amassed over 99% of his wealth after age 60 because of compounding over decades.
    • Key levers: start early, invest aggressively every month, and keep fees low.
    • You don’t need to chase exotic products; steady 7% realistic returns are enough if paired with time and discipline.
  9. 1:16:00 – 1:23:00

    Who Stays Poor and Who Gets Rich: Behaviors and Beliefs

    Sethi contrasts the habits of people who will likely struggle financially with those who build wealth. He emphasizes that high income alone isn’t enough—many six-figure earners live paycheck to paycheck—and that wealth usually comes from small, consistent wins, not lottery-style bets.

    • 25% of people earning $100k+ still live paycheck to paycheck.
    • Millionaires typically credit ‘small wins over time’ rather than big risks.
    • Likely-to-stay-poor traits: never investing, constant anxiety but no learning, belief that “only rich people invest.”
    • Wealthy behaviors: read at least one money book, automate investing, take a long-term view across multiple life domains.
    • Social environment matters: people around you either reinforce or undermine wealth-building habits.
  10. 1:23:00 – 1:36:00

    Doubling Income: Pricing, Packaging, and Moving Your Skills Upmarket

    Asked how to make an ordinary earner a millionaire in 20 years, Sethi insists that raising income is non-negotiable alongside investing. He uses a personal trainer as a case study to illustrate levers like upselling, retention, group acquisition, and later, moving to more lucrative markets or niches.

    • Income growth and investing are both required; you can’t ‘save your way’ alone.
    • For a trainer: raise lifetime value (add nutrition/meal planning), refer-based lead generation, group sessions, and longer-term contracts.
    • Later, scale through virtual training, online courses, or higher-end clientele.
    • Same skill can be worth multiples in different industries or geographies.
    • Example: a designer went from $50 nightclub flyers to $50,000 luxury brand projects by moving to Dubai.
    • Think in discontinuous jumps (5x, 10x) rather than only incremental raises (–20%).
  11. 1:36:00 – 1:48:00

    Risky Bets vs. Boring Wealth: Crypto, Diversification, and Storytelling

    Sethi addresses rampant interest in crypto and speculative assets, contrasting them with his conservative, diversified approach. He explains why get-rich-quick stories dominate social media, why losses are underreported, and how to safely ‘play’ with a tiny portion of your portfolio without jeopardizing your future.

    • Crypto enthusiasts often had 100% of their money in speculative coins and mocked diversification.
    • Most ignored historical context: normal stock returns ~7% vs. dreamed-of 4,000%+ gains.
    • Sethi’s stance: if you have a strong core portfolio, 1–5% in speculative assets is acceptable fun money.
    • Humans eagerly broadcast wins and hide losses, skewing our perception of risk and success.
    • He distinguishes between believing in blockchain tech vs. overexposing your net worth to volatile tokens.
    • The goal is a 60–70-year marathon of wealth, not a brief, flashy boom followed by collapse.
  12. 1:48:00 – 2:00:00

    Ramit’s 10 Money Rules: Personal Guidelines for a Rich Life

    Sethi lays out his 10 personal money rules, clarifying they’re not universal commandments but examples of how to encode values into automatic decisions. These rules range from emergency funds and aggressive investing to always spending on health and education, flying business class on long flights, and only working with people he respects.

    • Rule 1: One year of emergency funds in a savings account for sleep-at-night security.
    • Rule 2: Save 10% and invest 20% of gross income, more aggressive than his basic 5–10% guideline.
    • Rule 3: Pay cash for large lifestyle expenses (weddings, rings, big trips) so price isn’t the main constraint.
    • Rule 4: Never question spending on books, appetizers, health, or friends’ charity fundraisers.
    • Rule 5: Business class for flights over four hours; a pre-decided rule eliminates constant rethinking.
    • Rule 6: Buy the best you can and use it for a very long time (cars, clothes, etc.).
    • Rule 7: No limit on health or education spending; both underpin every other aspect of a rich life.
    • Rule 8: Earn enough to work only with people you like and respect.
    • Rule 9: Prioritize life outside spreadsheets; once your system works, don’t obsess over micro-optimization.
    • Rule 10: Marry the right person—your partner heavily shapes financial decisions, values, and lifestyle.
  13. 2:00:00 – 2:16:00

    Money, Marriage, and Childhood Scripts: Talking About Prenups and Security

    The conversation dives into money in relationships: timing and content of money talks, the role of prenups, and how childhood scripts like ‘we can’t afford it’ shape adult behavior. Sethi shares his own prenup story, including couples therapy, and how he and his wife discovered that ‘growth’ and ‘safety’ were their core money meanings.

    • Couples usually discuss money only when something goes wrong, not proactively.
    • Natural opportunities to talk: first trip together, moving in, engagement, marriage, kids.
    • Sethi’s wife felt unsafe that he knew her finances while she didn’t know his; they sought therapy.
    • Therapist’s key question: “What does money mean to you?”—he said growth; she said safety.
    • Understanding each other’s money meaning reframes conflicts over cash vs. investing.
    • Prenup 101: it mainly protects pre-existing assets (businesses, portfolios) while fairly dividing marital gains.
    • Refusal to even discuss a prenup can signal deeper value misalignment, not just distrust.
    • Childhood phrases like “we can’t afford it” or “money doesn’t grow on trees” echo into adult guilt and avoidance.
  14. 2:16:00

    Traits of the Rich vs. the Stuck, and Doing the Work of a Rich Life

    In closing, Sethi identifies patterns among people who reliably build rich lives versus those who don’t, emphasizing environment, long-term thinking, and vision. He clarifies that he doesn’t prescribe a single version of success; his job is to give people tools so they can design and live their own unique rich life with intention.

    • High achievers are often good in multiple domains (work, family, hobbies), not just one.
    • Red flags for never living a rich life: disempowering social circle, impulsive decision-making, and no personal vision.
    • He’s misunderstood as prescribing one right rich life; in fact he insists each person’s version should be unique—even ‘weird.’
    • Everyone needs to explicitly design their rich life: perfect day/week, what they never want to do, what they’ll happily outsource.
    • Money is a tool to solve specific frictions (laundry, luggage, flights), not an end in itself.
    • The ‘I Will Teach You To Be Rich’ journal and book are meant to replace guilt and confusion with clarity, systems, and self-awareness.

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