Sadhguru PREDICTION: Why We Are Now On "The Brink Of Extinction!"

1. 0:00 – 3:02

   Intro

   1. SASadhguru0:00

      The World Health Organization made a prediction. There will be a mental health pandemic, but this is not something that has to happen. If you wanna fix this, you need to- Sadhguru.

   2. NANarrator0:10

      One of the most viewed gurus in the world. His mission is to raise every human being to the peak of their potential. He has built one of the largest nonprofit organizations in the world.

   3. SASadhguru0:20

      We have more than any other generation ever had in terms of comforts and technologies, yet we are miserable people. You want to be something more all the time, that's why you suffer. Just tell me, is there one thing that human beings are not suffering? Somebody's poor, they suffer their poverty. Somebody becomes rich, they suffer the taxes. If they're not married, they suffer getting married. I don't have to say anything more. (laughs) You're making up a purpose to bring some meaning to your life, but if you try to enhance your activity without enhancing yourself, you'll only die of stress.

   4. SBSteven Bartlett0:56

      What about trauma?

   5. SASadhguru0:57

      You're finding an excuse for the way you are, which you yourself don't like. If something unpleasant happened to you, you have two choices. Either you can become wise or you can become wounded. Your experience of life is determined by you. If your happiness depends on what happens on the outside, you being happy is a remote possibility. (laughs)

   6. SBSteven Bartlett1:19

      I want to be happy. What's step one?

   7. SASadhguru1:21

      There is a simple practice which will only take 21 minutes, and this is when human beings can do something absolutely fantastic. First thing is...

   8. SBSteven Bartlett1:32

      I just wanna start this episode with a message of thanks. A thank you to everybody that tunes in to listen to this podcast. By doing so, you've enabled me to live out my dream, but also for many members of our team to live out their dreams too. It's one of the greatest privileges I could never have dreamed of or imagined in my life to get to do this, to get to learn from these people, to get to have these conversations, to get to interrogate them from a very selfish perspective, trying to solve problems I have in my life. So, I feel like I owe you a huge thank you for being here and for listening to these episodes and for making this platform what it is. Can I ask you a favor? I can't tell you how much, um, you can change the course of this podcast, the, the, the course of the guests we're able to invite to the show, and to the course of everything that we do here just by doing one simple thing. And that simple thing is hitting that subscribe button. Helps this channel more than I could ever explain. The guests on this platform are incredible because so many of you have hit that button. And I know when we think about what we wanna do together over the next year on this show, a lot of it is gonna be fueled by the amount of you that are subscribed and that tune into this show every week. So, thank you. Let's keep doing this. And I can't wait to see what this year brings for this show, for us as a community, and for this platform. (instrumental music plays) What is the, the mission that you're on?

   9. SASadhguru2:52

      Well, today, you know a few months ago, the WHO or the World Health Organization made a prediction that there is going to

2. 3:02 – 5:42

   🌍 World Health Concerns: Addressing A Mental Health Pandemic Prediction

   1. SASadhguru3:02

      be a mental health pandemic. At least five years ago, none of us knew what is a pandemic. Today, we all know what is a pandemic. And they've gone further and they said the next stage is there will be a suicide pandemic, just to put it in perspective. In 2020, when the pandemic was in full swing all over the world, in Japan, more people died of suicide than of the pandemic. So, we don't really need the virus, that's all I'm saying. Because the virus has gotten into our head. Because once survival is taken care of, you, if you didn't, do not become conscious, the way you sit, stand, breathe, think, emote, and function within yourself, if it does not become conscious, you will naturally head downhill. This is, uh, just September 23rd, I completed 40 years of this work. So, 40 years ago, I was a young man. One afternoon, when I had nothing much to do, somehow an hour and a half gap was there for me in the work. I was working like morning, 5:30 in the morning to 11:00 in the night, building various kinds of businesses around me. So, when I got a break, there's a small hill. This hill is a place where we go and, um, for the youth, when I was a kid, I cycled up this hill, we camped on this hill, we partied on this hill. If we want to test our motorcycles, we went up the hill. Just about anything you want to do, the youth, go to Chamundi Hill. This is the thing. I just walked up and sat on a rock. My eyes were still open. I thought it's just 10, 15, or 20 minutes. Suddenly I started feeling every cell in my body literally dripping ecstasy. I thought this lasted 15, 20 minutes. But when I came back to my normal senses, four and a half hours had passed. For the first time in my adult life, tears, me and tears were simply impossible. Tears to a point my shirt is all wet. Then I shake my skeptical mind and ask, "What the hell is happening to me?" All I knew was I had hit a goldmine and there was no context. Nobody around me could tell me what was happening with me, nor did I know what was happening with me. This is something that most people will experience in their lives. On a certain day when they're very happy, 24 hours feels like 10 minutes. Another day when you're

3. 5:42 – 9:57

   🤯 Pursuit of Bliss: Exploring Human Longing for Limitless Expansion

   1. SASadhguru5:42

      depressed, 10 minutes will feel like 24 hours. (laughs)

   2. SBSteven Bartlett5:46

      (laughs)

   3. SASadhguru5:46

      Time is a very relative experience. When you're so blissed out, what is two minutes says eight hours, 10 hours, just gone like that. So, in about six to eight weeks, I came to some kind of stabilization within myself and started experimenting as to what is happening to me. Then I realized...... if I keep a little distance from my physiological and psychological activity that's going on, if I just remove myself a little bit, then within, within a few seconds or within a couple of minutes, every cell in my body is bursting with ecstasy. Now, this is not just my experience. Today, we have it measured out in Harvard (laughs) Medical School how there is a, endocannabinoids are bursting out in people simply because they do a simple practice. So, I made a plan, in two and a half years' time, I will make the whole world blissed out. I knew the methodology. If you just keep a distance, it'll happen. 40 years now. (laughs)

   4. SBSteven Bartlett6:56

      (laughs)

   5. SASadhguru6:56

      Today, people are saying we're touching over two billion people. Last year, our video views have been 3.51 billion. So, people think that's great, but no, that is less than half the population as far as I'm concerned, because I started thinking I'll make the whole world blissed out. But people are committed to their miseries, either because of their beliefs or their ideologies or their compulsive behavior within themselves. So, it needs to happen to the whole world. This is ... I don't see this as a mission. I just see this as an expression of my humanity. Suppose you hear a good joke. Will you tell somebody who's dear to you, or will you cover yourself with a blanket and tell yourself?

   6. SBSteven Bartlett7:41

      Of course. I'd tell everybody.

   7. SASadhguru7:42

      Yeah.

   8. SBSteven Bartlett7:42

      Pretend it was mine.

   9. SASadhguru7:43

      That's all I'm trying to do. No mission.

   10. SBSteven Bartlett7:46

       When you-

   11. SASadhguru7:47

       My experience, I'm trying to just rub it off on people.

   12. SBSteven Bartlett7:50

       Some stats for you that support what you said earlier. Someone dies by suicide in the UK every 90 minutes. 76% of them are male. The single biggest cause of death for men under the age of 45 here in the UK is by suicide. You said you've spent a lot, a lot of time around business people, and they appear to be the most unhappy and least blissful people.

   13. SASadhguru8:13

       No, I wouldn't say unhappy. Stressed out.

   14. SBSteven Bartlett8:15

       Stressed out. What is it that we're doing to them? 'Cause I, I see myself, I must be in that category to some regard, because I've focused most of my time on, you know, building businesses, and, you know, I guess m- to some extent, material things and success. So, I must be part of that cull.

   15. SASadhguru8:31

       See, that is a diversionary tactic, in the sense, so you can think that survival means two meals a day, or you can think survival means Bentley, so it'll keep you busy a little longer. Still survival process. As long as there's survival, there's an instinct of survival, and there is a longing to expand within the human being. So, for most human beings, these two things are mixed up. It is their instinct of survival which is finding expression as they're longing to expand. So, it doesn't matter who you are, where you are, anybody, you want to be something more. If that something more happens, you want to be something more. You can go on like this, how much more? Whatever you want, if I make it true for you right now, next moment, you'll be thinking, "What more?" Suppose I make you the king of, not England, the planet. Don't look at me hopefully.

   16. SBSteven Bartlett9:33

       (laughs)

   17. SASadhguru9:34

       I will not, I will not commit such a blunder. (laughs)

   18. SBSteven Bartlett9:37

       (laughs)

   19. SASadhguru9:38

       Suppose we make you the king of this planet. Will you be fulfilled? No, you will look at the moon, you will look at other planets, you will look at the other galaxies. If I give you one galaxy, you'll say, "What about the other galaxy?" Because there is something within a human being which wants to expand limitlessly.

4. 9:57 – 26:23

   🧠 Balancing Survival Instinct and Limitless Growth: Breaking Self-Imposed Boundaries

   1. SASadhguru9:57

   2. SBSteven Bartlett9:57

      Is that not a good thing? Is that not, not the reason why-

   3. SASadhguru10:00

      I didn't, I didn't say it's not good. I'm just saying, you have constipated that longing to expand. That's why you suffer. When I say constipated, right now, you want to expand limitlessly. Can you expand this body limitlessly?

   4. SBSteven Bartlett10:16

      No.

   5. SASadhguru10:17

      Please don't.

   6. SBSteven Bartlett10:17

      (laughs)

   7. SASadhguru10:18

      Don't try.

   8. SBSteven Bartlett10:19

      In the gym, I've tried, but ... (laughs)

   9. SASadhguru10:23

      (laughs) So, physical expansion is a limited expansion, and your longing is to expand limitlessly, because there is something within you which doesn't like boundaries. The moment ... See, if I imprison you in a five-by-five cubicle, you will feel terribly imprisoned. Then tomorrow, I will announce your liberation and release you into a 10-by-10 cubicle. You will feel wonderful for two days. Then you'll feel horribly imprisoned. Then we will release you into a 100-by-100 cubicle. You will be fine for a week. After that, you'll feel miserable. Doesn't matter where I set the boundary. Once you feel the boundary, you want to break it. So, there is something intrinsic within you which doesn't like boundaries. This is a consequence of the evolution that you've gone through. Once your cerebral cortex flowered, now you don't like boundaries. But you're trying to expand in an infinite way by counting, "One, two, three, four, five." Can you ever count, "One, two, three, four, five," and one day say, "Infinity"?

   10. SBSteven Bartlett11:31

       No.

   11. SASadhguru11:32

       You'll only get into endless counting. That's all that's happening. That's why I said your longing to expand is a limitless process. But right now, you're constipated. You're going one little step at a time. Constipation means just this. It happens little by little.

   12. SBSteven Bartlett11:47

       (laughs) So, so, is it a case of trying to find a balance between your ambition to expand and to go out and be-

   13. SASadhguru11:54

       No, no, no, no.

   14. SBSteven Bartlett11:56

       ... successful and peace?

   15. SASadhguru11:56

       Why should you find balance? You must expand.

   16. SBSteven Bartlett12:00

       Okay, so I ... That's what I'm doing.

   17. SASadhguru12:01

       Yes, no. What is the means to become a boundless expansion? If you look at that, then we say consciousness. This is what raising human consciousness means, because you realize...... physical expansion is not a realistic thing. We can make physical arrangements as we want, as we need, for our convenience and comfort, but that is not the way to expand. Expansion needs to happen in a way that it's not physical in nature. Then, you can also own the universe, I can although... also own the universe.

   18. SBSteven Bartlett12:35

       When, when I, when I look at the way we're living our lives in the Western world, what... You talked about the WHO, they describe stress as an epidemic sometimes, and they say it's a major contributor to the diseases that we're undergoing. Um, where... I'm trying to figure out in my life where I'm going... if there's anywhere I'm going wrong. It... 'Cause I've... I'm building these businesses and I'm, you know... And I, I sometimes-

   19. SASadhguru12:58

       Please.

   20. SBSteven Bartlett12:58

       ... ask myself, "To what end?" You know?

   21. SASadhguru13:01

       When you say, "Where am I going wrong?", the wrong is this, the fundamental wrong is this, what is not you, if you think it's you, then you're trapped in that.

   22. SBSteven Bartlett13:14

       Yeah.

   23. SASadhguru13:14

       If you think that, "I am this chair," because we sat on this chair for a period of time, if you think you are this chair, now this chair will go with you, stuck to your backside wherever you go. That's a very ugly thing to do, isn't it? It's the same thing right now. Your thought, you think it's you, your emotion, you think it's you, your, your physiological stuff, you think it's you. It's pretty ugly. It's just because everybody's got this, uh, chair stuck to the backside, it looks like it's normal.

   24. SBSteven Bartlett13:44

       (laughs)

   25. SASadhguru13:44

       After all, it's convenient. Wherever you go, you don't have to look for a chair, you got a chair fixed.

   26. SBSteven Bartlett13:49

       If I identify with all these things, if I identify with this chair, you're saying that that becomes a way to-

   27. SASadhguru13:54

       That's all, the thing is. Your identity, whatever you're identified with, that becomes a part of you.

   28. SBSteven Bartlett14:01

       And is that what's causing us, a lot of our despair?

   29. SASadhguru14:03

       Yes. If you sit here just as life, what is your problem? (laughs)

   30. SBSteven Bartlett14:10

       I have no problems.
5. 26:23 – 27:58

   🧠 Discipline and Sanity: Coping with Fear and Making Rational Decisions

   1. SASadhguru26:24

      That's different. So let us say, such a terrible thing we had to face that we may lose our child.

   2. SBSteven Bartlett26:32

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SASadhguru26:34

      Tell me, can you do the best for the child if you are in your sanity or is it good to go into insanity?

   4. SBSteven Bartlett26:45

      I feel like it takes a tremendous discipline and-

   5. SASadhguru26:48

      Now, what it takes, we'll see later, but I'm just asking a fundamental question.

   6. SBSteven Bartlett26:51

      Okay. Well, it makes more sense not to go into insanity.

   7. SASadhguru26:54

      Yes. Sanity will make a difference. Maybe we can save the child, maybe we cannot. Because all aspects of life, we don't determine. Our experience, we can determine. See, what happens in the world around you, even if you're just two people in the family, never will it happen 100% your way. If you try, nobody will be around you. (laughs) It's as simple as that.

   8. SBSteven Bartlett27:24

      I've read your story, so I know that there's moments in your life where you've lost people that you loved.

   9. SASadhguru27:30

      A lot of people, not one or two. Because my family is so large, almost every other day I am burying somebody who's very dear to me.

   10. SBSteven Bartlett27:39

       Which one of those moments impacted you the most? And did any of them drive you into the insanity that we're talking about?

   11. SASadhguru27:46

       No. I don't let anything drive me into insanity. This is a brief amount of time that you have as life. Here, we create many things.

6. 27:58 – 31:47

   🌱 Embracing Life's Spectrum: Finding Meaning in Every Experience, Including Grief

   1. SASadhguru27:58

      You're creating businesses. I have large movements where millions of people are involved. There are relationships. You cannot take these things lightly because other lives are involved. But you cannot prevent anybody from dying. You can attend to them if, (laughs) if something is going to happen to them. You can make attempts to save them, but you cannot prevent anybody from absolutely dying, including yourself. This is a fact. So the only two things that we have is a certain amount of time and a certain amount of energy. This is all that you call as life. What do you want to make out of it? You want to make a mess out of it? See, the thing is, first of all, they're living an emotionally constipated life. They only loved their child. I saw everybody as mine. Everything that happen hurts, but that's part of it. If you walk in a forest, there are thorns in your feet, but this doesn't mean you en- don't enjoy the forest, all right?

   2. SBSteven Bartlett29:00

      You have moments of sadness?

   3. SASadhguru29:03

      See, you're asking a very... (laughs) question which is, uh, hard for me to say because I have done this to myself, that nothing happens within me the way I don't want it. If that was your situation, nothing happens within you unconsciously. Everything that happens, happens the way you want within yourself. What is the experience that you want to have right now is always determined by you. What would be your choice? Grief and misery, is it?

   4. SBSteven Bartlett29:38

      No.

   5. SASadhguru29:39

      See, you are the only creature who can decide your way of being, no matter what is the surrounding. Every other creature is an instinctive reaction to what's happening around them because they are only fired by their survival instinct. They don't have any other aspiration. Once their stomach is full, their life is settled. For a human being, stomach empty is only one problem. Stomach full, 100 problems. Because life doesn't settle with survival. You want to be something else all the time. The problem is you are a being. You're supposed to know how to be. How far away have human beings gone from that definition or that aspiration?

   6. SBSteven Bartlett30:27

      So is that an incorrect question to ask then? 'Cause, uh, 'cause I asked you if you, if you've, you experience sadness.

   7. SASadhguru30:33

      If I want to, I do.

   8. SBSteven Bartlett30:35

      If you want to, you do. Okay.

   9. SASadhguru30:37

      I said it doesn't happen as ... It doesn't happen by itself. If I want, I can be loving. If I want, I can be joyful. I c- ... If I want, I can be sad. Yes, when somebody dear to you is no more, you allow yourself that. But do you stop doing anything? No.

   10. SBSteven Bartlett30:59

       That sense of purpose you have, the most popular question that young people ask me is, is about passion and purpose. They, they've been indoctrinated by society to think that they have this one purpose.

   11. SASadhguru31:09

       (laughs)

   12. SBSteven Bartlett31:09

       And their big issue is they can't seem to find it. So like an Easter egg, they, they're going and hunt of, "What's my purpose? How do I know once I've reached my purpose?"

   13. SASadhguru31:17

       Maybe, yeah.

   14. SBSteven Bartlett31:17

       The people that are working now in jobs, um, listening to this on their way, on the Tube to work, how, uh, what is this, this subject of purpose and passion? What do I commit my life to? How do we go about answering that?

   15. SASadhguru31:30

       See, if you get absolutely committed to your purpose, you will be called a fanatic. If you are willing to do whatever it takes to achieve that, you'll be called a terrorist. (laughs) So there is no purpose to life if

7. 31:47 – 35:50

   💡 Joyful Living: Prioritising Joy Over Fanatical Pursuits of Specific Purpose

   1. SASadhguru31:47

      you, if you are not a vested interest. And you can be not a vested interest only when you're joyful by your own nature. That how you are is determined by you. So this is the fundamental you have to set, that your experience of life is determined by you. When I say experience of life, people are always thinking experiences happen because of external stimuli. No. If you dream of a tiger, you can experience fear, isn't it? You can, you can dream of somebody beautiful and, uh, experience love. Yes or no? So I'm saying all experiences cause from within you. Human experience happens from within you, never from outside of you. There may be a stimuli. Now this stimuli means just like this. You know, uh, you're too young to know these things. There used to be Vauxhall cars in this country. They always used to park it in a slope like this, because morning, you need two people to push that car in the morning, in '50s and '60s, I'm saying. Later on, they had crank start. You need one person to do that, otherwise you can't get your car started. Today, all cars are self-start. I'm asking you, your peace, your joy, your love, your blissfulness, would you want to keep it on self-start or push start?

   2. SBSteven Bartlett33:15

      Self-start. I wouldn't want it to rely on anyone else.

   3. SASadhguru33:16

      This is the question you're asking repeatedly. You want push start. Don't be on push start. Inner experiences are always in self-start. Outside world will never happen 100% our way. Little bit your way, little bit my way, little bit somebody else's way, and that's how it should be, 'cause if every- everything happened your way, where the hell do I go? It doesn't happen your way or my way. It's fine. It is only fine if you're joyful by your own nature. But if your happiness de- depends on what happens on the outside, then you being happy is a remote possibility. (laughs)

   4. SBSteven Bartlett33:56

      I want to be happy on my own nature. I h- I hear what you said. However, I'm gonna walk out of this room, and, I don't know, something's gonna annoy me. Maybe my words are even wrong, but then I'll immediately snap back into the sort of unconscious, I don't know, dismay or despair. H- what, how does one go about, like the first step in becoming happy by our own nature?

   5. SASadhguru34:23

      Do you think your life is worthwhile, your life is worth investing about 32 hours of focused time upon it, your life?

   6. SBSteven Bartlett34:31

      Yes.

   7. SASadhguru34:33

      If you think so, you should do that. This is what the process that I've called it as Inner Engineering, 32 hours of focused time. Book is just a, a large brochure, you know? (laughs)

   8. SBSteven Bartlett34:47

      (laughs)

   9. SASadhguru34:47

      Because there is a practice involved. When I say a practice, a simple practice which ... only 21 minutes of practice. To teach this 21-minute pra- practice, we take 32 hours of orientation because without that, it won't happen. You need to understand how the mechanism of your own thoughts, why are they hit- ... See, if your hand is punching you in the face, why is it doing that? You need to understand. Otherwise, just holding it down is not the answer. This is the most sophisticated machine on the planet. Have you read the user's manual?

   10. SBSteven Bartlett35:20

       The user's manual for my body?

   11. SASadhguru35:22

       For yourself as a life.

   12. SBSteven Bartlett35:25

       No, I didn't know there was one.

   13. SASadhguru35:27

       No. So when do you want to do it? Towards the end of the life is when people think they should do it. It's like you got yourself your iPad. Should you read the user's manual in the first three days or after three years when you're getting rid of the machine?

   14. SBSteven Bartlett35:40

       When I first get it.

   15. SASadhguru35:41

       Yes.

   16. SBSteven Bartlett35:42

       But nobody gives me the user's manual for m- for myself.

   17. SASadhguru35:44

       No, no, the thing is it's inbuilt. You have to just pay attention.

   18. SBSteven Bartlett35:47

       How do I do that?

   19. SASadhguru35:48

       See, we'll do one thing right

8. 35:50 – 50:25

   🔄 Self-Awareness and Mastery: Inner Engineering for Understanding Emotions

   1. SASadhguru35:50

      now. Shall we do a simple experiment with this?

   2. SBSteven Bartlett35:51

      Yes.

   3. SASadhguru35:52

      You'll have to do this with your eyes closed.

   4. SBSteven Bartlett35:54

      Okay.

   5. SASadhguru35:55

      But right now, look at me.

   6. SBSteven Bartlett35:56

      Okay.

   7. SASadhguru35:56

      Uh, afterwards, you can do. You, you place your palms like this facing down upon your thigh, gently placed. So you will start breathing slightly deeper, 10, 15% deeper than normal. Don't do it yet. Hello.

   8. SBSteven Bartlett36:09

      Yeah.

   9. SASadhguru36:09

      And as you're doing it, I will say, "Switch." Then you turn your hands around gently upon your thigh like this. And again, when I say, "Switch," get back this way.

   10. SBSteven Bartlett36:20

       Okay.

   11. SASadhguru36:20

       In these two conditions, something about your breath will change. I will also give you a clue what could be changing.... where the air is filling up in your lungs, how it fills up, something about it will change. Or let me put it this way, the maximum expansion and contraction, in which part of the chest is it happening? This way which way, this way which way? Just notice that. Just hold your palms facing down, close your eyes.

   12. SBSteven Bartlett36:45

       Okay. And when you say switch, turn my hands over, right?

   13. SASadhguru36:47

       Yes.

   14. SBSteven Bartlett36:47

       (inhales deeply)

   15. SASadhguru36:49

       Breathe slightly deeper, not very forcefully, just 10, 15% more. Notice where the maximum expansion and contraction is happening. (inhales deeply) Switch. (inhales deeply) Switch again. (inhales deeply) Please open your eyes. There's some difference?

   16. SBSteven Bartlett37:18

       Yeah.

   17. SASadhguru37:19

       What is it?

   18. SBSteven Bartlett37:21

       Uh, i- in what part? I feel... how I feel?

   19. SASadhguru37:24

       No.

   20. SBSteven Bartlett37:25

       Or my breathing.

   21. SASadhguru37:25

       Where is the maximum expansion and contraction when you're holding two different postures?

   22. SBSteven Bartlett37:29

       (clicks tongue) Um, I felt like my, m- my chest and my belly were expanding more when I switch- when I was switching. I felt like I was just getting more air into my body.

   23. SASadhguru37:41

       Let me tell you what's happening. You can experiment by yourself and see. When you have your hands facing together, uh, facing down with all fingers together, maximum expansion, contraction is happening in the lower lobe of the lung.

   24. SBSteven Bartlett37:53

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   25. SASadhguru37:54

       If you turn it around, it shift to the middle lobe of the lung. And middle lobe being much larger, you feel more, but actually it's the shift. So I'm saying, just by turning your hands around like this, the very way you breathe is altering itself. It's not just the breath. The very way your life energies function is altering itself. How many times in a day, unconsciously, are you... Now you're setting your energies into turmoil and hoping to be peaceful. It will not work, and I'm happy it doesn't work, because if it works for you, by doing wild things and still everything is peaceful and wonderful within you, then what is the use of my life? Spending a whole lifetime paying attention to every little thing that's happening here. I'm saying, if you can drive blind on the London streets and not hit anything, a good driver will feel insulted, isn't it?

   26. SBSteven Bartlett38:52

       (laughs) Yeah.

   27. SASadhguru38:54

       (laughs) That's all I'm saying.

   28. SBSteven Bartlett38:56

       But how do we l- learn the user manual for ourselves, though? So, you know, it's that... it's not something we go and read in a book. You said it's gonna-

   29. SASadhguru39:02

       The problem is this, all your sense organs are outward bound, because they are survival instruments. Your sense organs, your ability to see, hear, smell, taste, and touch are essentially your survival instruments. Life cannot be enhanced by them, you can only survive better. If you see better than me, you can survive better than me. If you hear better than me, you can survive better than me. But this life will not feel enhanced by perceiving more through the five sense organs. And they're all outward bound. You can see me. Can you roll your eyeballs inward and scan yourself? No. (snaps fingers) You can hear that, so much happening in the body, can you hear that? No. So all your sense organs are only to perceive what's happening around you, not to perceive what's within you. So to perceive within you, you need to turn inward. That needs a little... Because it's not survival. Something has to be done. You know how to write English language?

   30. SBSteven Bartlett40:10

       Yeah.
9. 50:25 – 53:13

   🧠 Multifaceted Human Intelligence: Beyond Intellect, Self-Awareness, and Existence

   1. SASadhguru50:25

      You're exited but still you're European, you know?

   2. SBSteven Bartlett50:28

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SASadhguru50:28

      In culture. (laughs) I know you've Brexited but... (laughs)

   4. SBSteven Bartlett50:33

      (laughs)

   5. SASadhguru50:33

      So (laughs) i- it's in Europe that suddenly human thought became very eulogized. Why it became like this is, the dogmatic religious beliefs which did not allow people to think for themselves. If you thought anything other than what's written in the book, you're dead. They made this for few centuries. So suddenly, when they broke away from that and started thinking for themselves, they suddenly thought this is liberation, and they eulogized human thought, and we crafted the whole education system on the planet based on that. Today, you're just using one dimension of your intelligence, which is intellect. Thought process is thought to be everything, where one of them went to the extent of saying, "I think so I exist."

   6. SBSteven Bartlett51:20

      What are the other dimensions of human intellect?

   7. SASadhguru51:21

      Will come, will come. I'm asking you, do you exist because you think, or because you exist you think?

   8. SBSteven Bartlett51:29

      Because I exist I think.

   9. SASadhguru51:30

      Yeah. You may think if you want or you may not think, it's up to you. So because you exist, your existence is important. Your existence, is it because you're seeing me that you exist? Even if you close your eyes, you still exist, isn't it?

   10. SBSteven Bartlett51:44

       Yeah.

   11. SASadhguru51:45

       If you don't hear anything, you still exist. So your existence is fundamental. These are all activities of seeing, hearing, smelling, thinking, emoting. These are all activities of your existence, the life that you are, but we got it all upside down, and how you- how do you expect it to work? Because another aspect is, if I ask you a simple question, would you want your intellect to be sharp or blunt? What's your answer?

   12. SBSteven Bartlett52:11

       Sharp.

   13. SASadhguru52:12

       Sharp. If I give you a sharp instrument, let's say we give you a very sharp knife. Now, you must be very conscious how you move your hand. If you're little la-la-la-la kind, la la la la la, if you do, intestines will come out.

   14. SBSteven Bartlett52:29

       (laughs)

   15. SASadhguru52:29

       Yes or no?

   16. SBSteven Bartlett52:29

       Yes.

   17. SASadhguru52:32

       We don't give a knife to a child's hand only because of this, because his hand is not steady, not because knife is dangerous. Never in the history has it ever happened, a knife jumped up and stabbed somebody. It never happened, believe me. I've been following the news. (laughs)

   18. SBSteven Bartlett52:50

       (laughs)

   19. SASadhguru52:50

       It is only the hand that wields it. It can cut a vegetable and make you a meal, or it can do surgery and save somebody's life, or stab somebody and take their life. All these things the hand can do, not the knife. So right now, your intellect is a sharp instrument. Once you have a sharp instrument, you must know how to hold it. This

10. 53:13 – 54:50

    🤖 Ethical AI Development: Sadhguru's Concerns and Emphasis on Human Decision-Making

    1. SASadhguru53:13

       is simply not there. Everybody's cutting themselves up, and they think something is wrong with life. You can call this stress, anxiety, misery, whatever you want. Essentially, you have a sharp instrument and you're unconscious, so you're cutting yourself up.

    2. SBSteven Bartlett53:28

       Well, that instrument, that sharp instrument, in a world where we're building machines that have the intelligence of a million people, and those machines can make decisions. So theoretically, the machine can now decide to send a missile at a country on its own because if-

    3. SASadhguru53:47

       But if we had the intelligence, we wouldn't make a missile.

    4. SBSteven Bartlett53:50

       Yeah, but we- we have. And this is what I'm concerned about, is I've sat here with all these AI experts and they're talking about the issue. They're telling me they're not gonna be able to contain this artificial intelligence.

    5. SASadhguru54:00

       Uh, see, let me tell you an example. I've spoken about this before. I don't know if I should repeat that, but let me say this to you. I remember this very clearly, it was 1972. You didn't exist. And for the first time, they installed a gantry in the port in Mumbai called the Mazagon Docks. In the docks, they put up a gantry. Till then, as it was done everywhere in the world, maybe a little further back, there were labor who were going up into the ships and getting the sacks out and unloading. Those days, the largest vessels were about 125- 125,000 to 150,000 tons.

11. 54:50 – 57:30

    🧠 Machines and Purpose: Addressing Fear of Identity Loss Amidst Automation

    1. SASadhguru54:50

       They would take 24 to 28 days to unload one vessel. So they installed a gantry. So all of them went on strike, a big strike which paralyzed Mumbai City. At that time, it was Bombay. It got completely paralyzed because all the labor went on strike. I'm sure many such labor strikes have happened here. Every time a new machine was installed, people went on strike.... because their argument was, "If you put this machine, this is going to unload a ship in one day. What are we supposed to do with our muscle? We got this muscle, now what are we supposed to do?" They went on strike. This is what now the professors, academics, all the intellectual people who only invested in their intellect are now saying, "What are we supposed to do? The machine will do everything." It's fantastic, isn't it? All the machines are doing all the hard work for you? (laughs)

    2. SBSteven Bartlett55:46

       But, but w- when the machines can think, the machines could make a decision that they wanna do things that aren't good.

    3. SASadhguru55:52

       Only machines think.

    4. SBSteven Bartlett55:57

       Do only machines think?

    5. SASadhguru55:58

       Only machines think. Only if you have reduced yourself to become a mechanical thing, you're only thinking about life. Otherwise, there's a way of opening yourself up to life and experience the magic of life. Right now, you're trapped in the logic of life.

    6. SBSteven Bartlett56:15

       (laughs)

    7. SASadhguru56:16

       When I say the logic of life, logic is the foundation. It's very, very important. But suppose in this building we make you live in the foundations. Today, it's called basement, but it's actually a dungeon. We used to lock up people there or animals or something. If you want somebody to have a horrible life, you put them in the foundations. That's all I'm saying. If you live with the foundations of your life, which is your logic-

    8. SBSteven Bartlett56:42

       Logic.

    9. SASadhguru56:43

       ... you will live a bad life no matter where you are.

    10. SBSteven Bartlett56:46

        Are y-

    11. SASadhguru56:46

        Even if I put you up in a palace, you'll still suffer.

    12. SBSteven Bartlett56:49

        Are you scared at all, uh, uh, or are you concerned at all... Humans have made nuclear bombs, now they've made this thing called artificial intelligence, which is accelerating. Are you concerned at all that it'll get into the wrong hands and people who are stressed-

    13. SASadhguru57:01

        No, artificial intelligence means at least the human error will be (laughs) taken out. I'm happy about that. (laughs)

    14. SBSteven Bartlett57:07

        The human error?

    15. SASadhguru57:08

        Yeah, there are so many idiots who can do anything. Half-brained people get to the top of the nation. They could do anything. At least artificial intelligence means there'll be a proper process-

    16. SBSteven Bartlett57:18

        (laughs)

    17. SASadhguru57:19

        ... before we launch anything. (laughs)

    18. SBSteven Bartlett57:20

        So you're happy about artificial intelligence?

    19. SASadhguru57:23

        I'm happy about any development because essentially how I see, l- let me tell you my experience, first

12. 57:30 – 1:01:10

    💡 Positive Tech Outlook: Embracing Intelligent Machines for Human Liberation

    1. SASadhguru57:30

       experience of an intelligent machine. I was probably 12, 13 years old. I was, uh, in my ninth standard and I went to school only when I had to. Most of the time, I got lost on the way. But when I went, I thought this was just an unnecessary nonsense in my life.

    2. SBSteven Bartlett57:47

       (laughs)

    3. SASadhguru57:47

       So I spent most of the time in the library and barely went to the classroom.

    4. SBSteven Bartlett57:51

       Like me. (laughs)

    5. SASadhguru57:53

       (laughs) So one day somebody brought a flat bed calculator. Maybe you've not even seen one like that, you're all doing on the phone and iPad. Flat bed calculator is most of it is flat, one little screen like this. We've never seen anything like this. So you say, you know, 185 into 365, took, answer is right there. I looked at it and I felt really insulted. Why the hell are they tormenting me in a mathematics class when this machine is there? Why can't they make one machine for chemistry, one machine for physics, one machine for every damn thing? I enjoyed swimming in the lakes, I've enjoyed sitting on the trees, I enjoyed loitering around all over the countryside. I learned my life like that. But this nonsense, why am I going through this when this silly machine can do this? At last, my dream is coming true. I'm very happy. (laughs)

    6. SBSteven Bartlett58:49

       (laughs)

    7. SASadhguru58:50

       Everything that human beings can do, see, this silly mentality, "What'll happen to our jobs?" Why do you need a job? All you need is food to survive. Suppose everybody on the planet is fed. I know those guys, idiots will become drunkards and drug addicts, that's a different matter. But if everybody's fed and you don't have to worry about your living, this is when human beings can do something absolutely fantastic. Right now, they're spending their life just to earn a living. When will they make a life out of themselves?

    8. SBSteven Bartlett59:27

       What you said sounds almost identical to what the founder and the CEO of OpenAI who made ChatGPT, which is leading the, leading the way at the moment, said literally yesterday, uh, in an interview he did. He said, "If we can get people to a point where they don't have to worry about tedious jobs, then they can live these blissful lives."

    9. SASadhguru59:49

       We'll do one thing. We'll remove all the earth moving machines and everything, give everybody a pickax and a crowbar and a spade. Let them all go back to the mines and construction everywhere, let them start doing physically. Will they protest or no?

    10. SBSteven Bartlett1:00:02

        They will protest.

    11. SASadhguru1:00:02

        Ah. That's what will happen in 50 years time. If you ask them to multiply, they'll protest. That's what I said the fir- moment, first moment I saw the calculator.

    12. SBSteven Bartlett1:00:13

        (laughs)

    13. SASadhguru1:00:13

        I said, "What is this nonsense? Why am I doing all this when I can do tuk, tuk, tuk here?"

    14. SBSteven Bartlett1:00:18

        The, uh, the counterargument to that is that people need a sense of, like, purpose-

    15. SASadhguru1:00:23

        Ah, ah, that is what-

    16. SBSteven Bartlett1:00:24

        ... something to strive for.

    17. SASadhguru1:00:25

        You need a false purpose to live, because you have not even made an attempt to understand what this life is about, what its potential is about. You need a false purpose. You go and dig in the mine, and it's your purpose. And then you produce chil- two children. Putting bread on the table is a big purpose to your life. Silliest way to live for a human being.

    18. SBSteven Bartlett1:00:45

        That's how most people live.

    19. SASadhguru1:00:47

        Unfortunately, that's the kind of world we have created.

    20. SBSteven Bartlett1:00:51

        And the world that y- if you could wave a wand now and create a different world, which I know you're trying to do... In fact, you're built-

    21. SASadhguru1:00:57

        (laughs)

    22. SBSteven Bartlett1:00:58

        ... you're building a, uh, a city in America, right? You're part of a project.

    23. SASadhguru1:01:02

        Mm-hmm.

    24. SBSteven Bartlett1:01:04

        This is why I find it so fascinating, because I look at the way we've designed society, and we're so...

13. 1:01:10 – 1:13:13

    🌍 Societal Transformation: Redesigning Society While Embracing Life's Profoundness

    1. SBSteven Bartlett1:01:10

       it's so stubborn in the way we've designed it. I often wonder if we're gonna have to go back to a blank canvas and redesign it again.... from the ground up.

    2. SASadhguru1:01:18

       That's never going to happen. Where is a blank canvas? How do you create a blank canvas?

    3. SBSteven Bartlett1:01:22

       Go to the-

    4. SASadhguru1:01:22

       That's never gonna happen.

    5. SBSteven Bartlett1:01:22

       ... the desert somewhere? (laughs)

    6. SASadhguru1:01:24

       You, you have to slowly see, the thing is... This happened. Can I tell you a joke?

    7. SBSteven Bartlett1:01:29

       Please.

    8. SASadhguru1:01:32

       One day, a cardiologist, a famous cardiologist, a doctor, went, because he was driving an Aston Martin, and it gives trouble, you know? (laughs) He went to the garage and, uh, the mechanic said, uh, "Yes, doctor, leave the car here, evening I'll have it ready." The doctor took the taxi and went to the hospital and came back in the evening. The mechanic had not even touched it. Then he said, "Hey, why is it not ready?" "Oh no, Doc, this is," this, that. "Tomorrow morning, I'll have it ready for you." Tomorrow morning he came, car was not ready. He said, "Hey, what are you trying to do? Why is it that you're not ready?" Then mechanic said, "Huh. See, I fix your engine, you pay me 500 pounds. But you fix somebody's heart and they pay you 50,000 pounds. Why is that? You fixing an engine, I'm fixing an engine." Doctor said, "Try to fix it when it's running."

    9. SBSteven Bartlett1:02:38

       (laughs)

    10. SASadhguru1:02:40

        If you could demolish everything and rebuild, it's very easy. The thing is, you have to rebuild it when it's on. That is the whole challenge, isn't it? That goes for individual human being, that goes for the society, that goes for the world. We have to rebuild it when it's still functioning. After you demolish means are you inviting a nuclear holocaust so that later on we can rebuild it?

    11. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:04

        It's not a good idea.

    12. SASadhguru1:03:04

        (laughs) No, that's not what we want.

    13. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:08

        And that's why the practice that you described-

    14. SASadhguru1:03:11

        Yes.

    15. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:11

        ... matters, because we c-

    16. SASadhguru1:03:12

        It doesn't matter, even if you're manning a nuclear bomb. Let's say it's your job to press the button, you are waiting there. If you are miserable, frustrated, depressed, even without a command, you may press if it was in your hand, sometimes it may happen. But if you're joyful, blissful, naturally you look... See, this is something people don't understand. People think love brings them happiness. It's not true. If you're very joyful, you will look at, upon, look upon everything in a loving manner. Because what you call as joy, love... Let me put it this way. If your body becomes pleasant, we call this health. You want it?

    17. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:52

        Yes.

    18. SASadhguru1:03:54

        If it becomes very pleasant, we call it pleasure. You want it?

    19. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:58

        Yes.

    20. SASadhguru1:03:59

        If your mind becomes pleasant, we call this peace. You want this?

    21. SBSteven Bartlett1:04:05

        Yes.

    22. SASadhguru1:04:05

        Only to create pleasantness in your surroundings do you need the cooperation of various people and many forces around you. But to create pleasantness in your body, mind, emotion, and energy is 100% your business. If you were the only person on this planet, would you know whether you're good or bad?

    23. SBSteven Bartlett1:04:27

        I wouldn't know.

    24. SASadhguru1:04:28

        So it is only by comparison that you know that you're good. But if you were the only person on this planet, if you were joyful, would you know you're joyful?

    25. SBSteven Bartlett1:04:36

        Yes.

    26. SASadhguru1:04:37

        That's important.

    27. SBSteven Bartlett1:04:39

        So you're saying focus on joy and how we feel versus good or bad?

    28. SASadhguru1:04:42

        No, I don't... Ma- I'm not saying focus on joy. I'm just saying, you understand this, your interiority can happen 100% your way, if you are willing. External things will not happen 100% our way. We have to strive. Some things happen our way, many things don't happen our way. But internally, if you're happening your way, you will keep yourself very pleasant. When you're pleasant, we can expect pleasant things from you. When you're unpleasant, "I expect pleasant things from you," where is it going to happen? People, in the name of religion, in the name of love, in the name of caring, they've done terrible things, isn't it? Most horrendous things have been done.

    29. SBSteven Bartlett1:05:32

        A question I've often asked myself is, am I... You talked about, like, fake purpose a second ago. How do, how do I know if the... 'Cause when you interview people and you say, like, "What's your purpose?" or "What's your mission?" they'll sit here and they'll give me lots of things.

    30. SASadhguru1:05:47

        (laughs)
14. 1:13:13 – 1:17:21

    🌱 Save Soil Campaign: Sadhguru's Urgent Call to Preserve Soil for Health and Well-Being

    1. SASadhguru1:13:13

       lot of people are estimating there may not be a single family left without one mentally ill person at least. That's what they're saying. So this mental illness, why?See, one thing is, in the last hundred years of industrial level of agriculture, one thing that's happened is we are only seeing soil as a resource. Soil is not a resource, it's your source. It is the source of your life. It is the largest living substance or system on the planet. If you take a handful of soil, it has 8 to 10 billion organisms in it. It is the most intense life and the largest living system, not just on the planet, in the known universe, it is the largest living system. But still, over 80% of the nations are treating soil as a resource, which they think they can fix it by adding a chemical or take away chemical. Let me come to this very quickly. What is the problem? See, if today all the insects disappear from this planet, in another two and a half to four years, all life on this planet, including you and me and plant life, everything will be gone. Insects go away. If all the worms go away today, in the next one and a half to two years or two and a half years, all life on this planet will be extinct. If all the microbes go away, we... both of us disappear within the next few seconds. This is the reality. They are the foundational life. We are the cherry on the cake. Right now, average loss of microbial life is like this, 27,000 species of organisms are going extinct per year. 27,000 species are going extinct per year. At this rate, it's estimated in the next 25 to 40 years, we will come to a place where it'll be very difficult for human beings to find basic nourishment on the planet. First thing that will collapse is your software. That's what you're seeing in terms of psychological ailments. That's not the only reason. All those things are there, but the most important thing is lack of nourishment. Just to give you a perspective, some studies have been done in California, what they are saying is, in 1920, if you ate one orange, what nutrients you got from that? If you want that today, you need to eat eight oranges. Has there been a day when you ate eight oranges in a day? No. This goes for everything else. You are eating empty food which doesn't have richness. Just look at the Google map. Don't, don't go by what I say. Just look at the Google map of the world. How many green patches? How many brown patches? It is terrifying.

    2. SBSteven Bartlett1:16:07

       We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're gonna leave the question for.

    3. SASadhguru1:16:13

       Who was that guy?

    4. SBSteven Bartlett1:16:14

       I can't tell you. (laughs)

    5. SASadhguru1:16:17

       (laughs)

    6. SBSteven Bartlett1:16:17

       Their question to, to you, not knowing who it was for, they didn't know it was for you, is, what in your heart of hearts matters to you?

    7. SASadhguru1:16:29

       I have only one heart, that also I gave away a long time ago. Heart of hearts, I don't have all those things. I broke my heart into a million pieces and threw it away in the world. I live not because of my values. I live not because of my morality. I live not because of some commandments from somewhere. I live out of my humanity.

    8. SBSteven Bartlett1:16:56

       Thank you. (instrumental music)

Episode duration: 1:17:21