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How a non-technical founder built a $100K ARR meme company | Jason Levin (Memelord CEO)

Jason Levin is the CEO and founder of Memelord, an AI-powered meme creation platform that helps brands and individuals create contextual, trending memes. He started Memelord as a $6.90-per-month newsletter sending subscribers to a Google Slides deck, grew it to $100K ARR on Bubble without hiring engineers, then raised $3M to build it into an API-first product. *What you’ll learn:* 1. How Jason grew Memelord from a $6.90/month newsletter to $100K ARR without writing a single line of code 2. Why “no UX is the best UX” and how agents are becoming Memelord’s primary users 3. The mandatory vibe-coding rule for his marketing team and how it unlocks unprecedented creativity 4. Why free tools are the new PDF downloads and how they’ve generated hundreds of thousands of emails 5. Jason’s hardware hacking projects, including a bedside keyboard that creates Linear tickets without waking his wife 6. Why AI can be funny (but humans are still funnier) and which model is the funniest 7. The philosophy of building hyper-personalized software just for yourself *Brought to you by:* WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready today: https://workos.com?utm_source=lennys_howiai&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=q22025 Persona—Trusted identity verification for any use case: https://withpersona.com/lp/howiai *In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Jason Levin and Memelord (04:28) Demo: Agentic meme creation with OpenClaw (06:55) “No UX is the best UX”—building for an agent-first future (08:35) How Memelord started as a $6.90 newsletter with Google Slides (12:35) Building to $100K ARR on Bubble with 395 workflows (15:20) Demo: Free tools section that generates hundreds of thousands of emails (17:59) Why Cursor is perfect for non-technical founders (20:20) Let your marketers cook—or watch them leave (24:19) Commit graph that shows the vibe-coding inflection point (25:25) Tools: Claude, Gemini, Linear, PostHog (28:19) Build weird stuff in the real world (33:24) Creative AI use cases (39:56) Using OpenClaw for calendar analysis (43:37) Can AI be funny? Which model is funniest? (45:26) Memes are not slop (46:45) What Jason doesn’t use AI for (48:12) Final thoughts *Blog & detailed workflow walkthroughs from this episode:* How I AI: Jason Levin’s Workflows for Agentic Memes, Vibe Coding, and Hardware Hacking: https://www.chatprd.ai/how-i-ai/jason-levins-workflows-for-agentic-memes-vibe-coding-and-hardware-hacking ↳ Build a Custom Bedside Keyboard for Idea Capture with Raspberry Pi and ChatGPT: https://www.chatprd.ai/how-i-ai/workflows/build-a-custom-bedside-keyboard-for-idea-capture-with-raspberry-pi-and-chatgpt ↳ Build Free Marketing Tools as Lead Magnets Using AI Code Assistants: https://www.chatprd.ai/how-i-ai/workflows/build-free-marketing-tools-as-lead-magnets-using-ai-code-assistants ↳ Automate Meme Marketing with an AI Agent and OpenClaw: https://www.chatprd.ai/how-i-ai/workflows/automate-meme-marketing-with-an-ai-agent-and-openclaw *Tools referenced:* • Memelord API: https://memelord.com/api • Cursor: https://cursor.com/ • Bubble: https://bubble.io/ • OpenClaw: https://openclaw.ai • Claude: https://claude.ai/ • ChatGPT: https://chat.openai.com/ • Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/ • Grok: https://grok.x.ai/ • Linear: https://linear.app/ • PostHog: https://posthog.com/ • Zapier: https://zapier.com/ *Other references:* • Diego Zaks—“The best UX is no UX”: https://x.com/diegozaks/status/1966526522136649980 • Sam Lessin: https://wlessin.com/ • “Stop giving me advice”: https://stopgivingmeadvice.com • Memelord free tools: https://memelord.com/tools *Where to find Jason Levin:* Twitter: https://twitter.com/iamjasonlevin Instagram: https://instagram.com/iamjasonlevin LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamjasonlevin/ Memelord: https://memelord.com *Where to find Claire Vo:* ChatPRD: https://www.chatprd.ai/ Website: https://clairevo.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairevo/ X: https://x.com/clairevo _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/._ _For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email jordan@penname.co._

Jason LevinguestClaire Vohost
Apr 27, 202651mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 4:36

    Memelord’s thesis: entertainment, memes, and the rise of agentic users

    Jason and Claire frame Memelord around a core belief: the most entertaining brands win, and memes are the most information-dense unit of culture. They connect that thesis to a near-future where AI agents, not humans, become primary “users” of tools that generate and distribute content.

    • Memes as cultural transmission and “memetic warfare” as a marketing lever
    • Why attention and trend-speed matter more than polished campaigns
    • Agents reduce human hesitation and ‘cringe friction’ in marketing output
    • Memelord’s evolution from meme alerts into an API-first product direction
  2. 4:36 – 6:55

    Demo: OpenClaw + Memelord for agentic meme generation (trend-aware captions)

    Jason shows how Memelord’s API plugs into OpenClaw to generate memes based on current trends and relevant templates. The system pulls from a trending meme database, selects contextually appropriate imagery, and iterates quickly with caption variations.

    • Prompting an agent to ‘cook’ memes on a topic using Memelord’s database
    • Context matching (e.g., political meme templates for political prompts)
    • Rapid iteration via “switch the caption” to explore alternative jokes
    • Why narrow timing windows make automation especially valuable
  3. 6:55 – 8:27

    “No UX is the best UX”: designing for an agent-first future

    They discuss the tension between investing in beautiful onboarding/UX and the inevitability of users preferring API access and automation. Jason shares a candid investor anecdote illustrating the shift from button-clicking to agent workflows.

    • Ramp CTO quote: “No UX is the best UX” as a product north star
    • High-craft onboarding still matters for humans—until they grab the API key
    • Investor story: ‘I don’t want to use anybody’s software’ → ship an API
    • Balancing human brand experience with agent-first distribution
  4. 8:27 – 13:32

    From $6.90 meme newsletter to product: the scrappy origin story

    Jason explains Memelord’s earliest form: a paid newsletter delivering the newest memes and linking to Google Slides decks. The chapter highlights starting with obsession and distribution rather than waiting for perfect tools or engineering help.

    • MVP as a newsletter + Google Slides when you can’t code
    • Meme alerts/trend surfacing as the initial core value
    • Remixing trends for brands as the consistent through-line
    • Bias toward shipping before the tooling wave fully arrives
  5. 13:32 – 14:37

    Scaling to $100K ARR on Bubble: 395 workflows and a no-code grind

    Jason details building the business on Bubble before ‘vibe coding’ tools matured. He describes the operational reality of a complex no-code app, rate-limiting surprises, and why he eventually raised and hired engineers.

    • Building a real subscription business without engineers initially
    • The fragility/complexity of scaling: “395 workflows” in Bubble
    • Early growth pain: rate limits and learning infra concepts late
    • Raising capital and transitioning to an engineering team
  6. 14:37 – 15:07

    Cursor for non-technical founders—and the “every marketer vibe codes” rule

    Jason shares how Cursor became the default environment for both him and his marketing team, with engineers handling security-critical work. Claire emphasizes why Cursor’s visibility (reading code, guided modes) helps non-technical builders become effective and autonomous.

    • Cursor workflows: Ask/Agent modes for learning and shipping
    • Division of labor: engineers on security/auth; founders/marketing on experiments
    • Why seeing and editing code accelerates non-technical capability
    • Culture policy: every marketer must build, not just request
  7. 15:07 – 19:58

    Free tools as lead magnets: shipping weird mini-products for massive email capture

    Jason demos Memelord’s free tools page and explains how tiny meme utilities became major acquisition channels, generating hundreds of thousands of emails. They argue interactive tools increasingly outperform PDFs because they’re faster to build and more compelling to use.

    • Free tools (filters/generators) as modern replacements for downloadable PDFs
    • Examples: “bust down” filter, GigaChad maker, Steve Jobs portrait generator
    • Viral distribution loops (e.g., unexpected geographic virality)
    • Why marketer-built tools avoid handoff loss and drive subscriptions
  8. 19:58 – 24:40

    Let marketers cook: organizational leverage, token budgets, and “priority is yes”

    They make the case that talented marketers will leave if they can’t execute directly and experiment rapidly. AI shifts product velocity enough that traditional prioritization and heavy handoffs become liabilities rather than safeguards.

    • Handoff loss: creativity degrades through layers of translation
    • Token spending as an enabler; reluctance becomes a competitive disadvantage
    • Cultural point: abundance mindset—ship more, faster, weirder
    • Retention: constrain builders and they’ll quit to build their own thing
  9. 24:40 – 28:21

    The vibe-coding inflection point: commit graph and the modern tool stack

    Jason highlights a GitHub commit graph that flips from sparse to “dark green,” reflecting his increased direct contribution through AI tooling. He also shares the broader stack—Claude/Gemini, Linear, and PostHog—and why agent-friendly tasking/analytics are becoming core infrastructure.

    • Commit graph as evidence of AI-assisted creator productivity shift
    • Tooling: Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini for ideation and execution support
    • Linear as an agent-native task substrate; minimal UI, strong APIs
    • PostHog AI for fast, natural-language analytics and dashboards
  10. 28:21 – 30:11

    Build weird stuff IRL too: barbell strategy of AI + physical-world stunts

    Jason argues that as AI accelerates digital execution, real-world creativity becomes an even stronger differentiator. He shares examples like physical merch, novelty artifacts, and experiential events as part of Memelord’s brand-building approach.

    • Barbell approach: ship AI experiments while doing tangible, real-world ideas
    • Examples: Memelord CDs as a playful API ‘distribution’ gimmick
    • IRL stunt: renting a theater to watch Instagram Reels
    • Old-school human tactics (coffee chats, events) regain leverage
  11. 30:11 – 33:57

    Hyper-personalized software and hardware hacking: the “keyboard with no screen”

    Jason walks through a DIY hardware project: a Raspberry Pi-backed keyboard that sends ideas to Zapier and routes them into email or Linear without waking his wife or using a phone in bed. The broader theme is building niche tools for yourself rather than forcing everything into a scalable product.

    • Problem framing: capture ideas at night without phone/light/voice assistants
    • Solution: Pi-powered keyboard triggers API calls on Enter
    • Routing logic via keywords (e.g., create Linear tickets vs email notes)
    • Personal-first building: useful even if it never becomes a business
  12. 33:57 – 39:57

    More personal automations: finding lost items, hardware takes, and optimistic execution

    They riff on future hacks like using in-home cameras + AI to locate misplaced items, and discuss why seemingly ‘dumb’ hardware ideas may just be early. The conversation shifts toward an execution-first optimism enabled by rapid prototyping with AI.

    • Idea: AI-assisted ‘where did I put my keys/phone’ using cameras
    • Rabbit/Worldcoin as examples of ideas that may be early vs wrong
    • Claire’s example: building internal tools (e.g., doxx-detection for podcasts)
    • A mindset shift: assume ideas can work if executed well
  13. 39:57 – 43:48

    OpenClaw calendar agent: weekly reviews, meeting hygiene, and content mining

    Jason shares a practical agent workflow that reviews his calendar weekly, flags time sinks, and suggests schedule changes. He extends it into a content system: turn meetings and interactions into draft posts, capturing high-signal insights that would otherwise disappear into DMs and calls.

    • Weekly ‘week in review’ and ‘week ahead’ summaries from calendar data
    • Agent recommendations: fewer standups, more deep work blocks
    • Automations: identify meetings that could be emails and propose cancellations
    • Content pipeline: generate posts from real-world meetings and conversations
  14. 43:48 – 48:18

    Can AI be funny? Funniest models, why memes aren’t slop, and what he won’t automate

    Jason answers whether AI can be funny, arguing it’s approaching human levels but still lacks lived context and taste at the top end. He shares Memelord’s model mix (favoring less ‘safe’ outputs), defends memes as hyper-contextual communication, and notes he avoids using AI for his own writing/joke craft.

    • AI humor is improving; humans still win at the extreme high end (for now)
    • Model take: Grok and Gemini outperform ‘safer’ models for humor
    • Memes as context-rich, information-dense—not generic ‘slop’
    • Personal boundary: Jason doesn’t use AI to write his own content/jokes
  15. 48:18 – 51:53

    Prompting for unhinged output + closing: ship, cook, and where to find Jason

    Jason describes how he prompts models when they’re not funny—pushing for edgier vernacular and less formality—while Claire lightly warns about being too mean to future robots. They wrap with the episode’s mantra (ship, abundance mindset, have fun) and Jason’s socials and Memelord onboarding.

    • Technique: push tone/vernacular; allow cursing; reduce ‘first-date’ stiffness
    • Memelord bakes ‘unhinged’ humor defaults into the product experience
    • Takeaways: abundance mindset, rapid shipping, empower builders
    • Where to find: memelord.com + @iamjasonlevin across platforms

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