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How Relationships Shape Your Brain | Dr. Allan Schore

In this episode, my guest is Dr. Allan Schore, Ph.D., a faculty member in the department of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at the University of California, Los Angeles, a longtime clinical psychotherapist, and a multi-book author. We discuss how early child-parent interactions shape brain circuitry, impacting our ability to form attachments, manage emotions, and navigate conflict and stress. We cover how the development of right-brain circuitry related to emotional processing and the unconscious mind regulates physiological responses, influencing adult friendships and romantic relationships. We also explore how improving your ability to listen to the emotional tone—rather than just the meaning—of words is a vital skill for fostering better relationships with yourself and others, and how it plays a role in reshaping brain circuitry. Additionally, we explain how circuits in the right brain hemisphere drive creativity and intuition and discuss activities to access the unconscious mind. This episode delves into how the unconscious mind regulates emotions—both your own and others’—and shapes our sense of self. By the end, you’ll have new knowledge and tools to build more secure, meaningful, and impactful connections of all kinds: professional, romantic, familial, friendships, and beyond. Access the full show notes for this episode, including referenced articles, resources, and people mentioned: https://go.hubermanlab.com/SbUJyLX Use Ask Huberman Lab, our chat-based tool, for summaries, clips, and insights from this episode: https://go.hubermanlab.com/pnoUTEI *Thank you to our sponsors* AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman David Protein: https://davidprotein.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman *Dr. Allan Schore* Website: https://www.allanschore.com Books: https://amzn.to/3AyS8Rw Publications: https://www.allanschore.com/curriculum-vitae/publications Right Brain Psychotherapy Institute: https://rightbrainpsychotherapy.com Master Class: https://rightbrainpsychotherapy.com/master-class Modern attachment theory (video): https://youtu.be/c0sKY86Qmzo?si=3rGee4fAxj1HOjtk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/rightbrainpsych Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rightbrainpsych X: https://x.com/rightbrainpsych LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/right-brain-psychotherapy-institute *Timestamps* 00:00:00 Dr. Allan Schore 00:02:37 Sponsors: David & Eight Sleep 00:05:49 Thoughts & Unconscious Mind 00:07:36 Right vs Left Brain, Child Development, Attachment 00:13:19 Attachment Styles & Development, Emotions & Physiology 00:18:12 Intuition, Arousal, Emotional Regulation & Attachment 00:23:13 Psychobiological Attunement, Repair; Insecure & Anxious Attachment 00:28:33 Attachment Styles, Regulation Theory; Therapy 00:34:20 Sponsor: AG1 00:35:51 “Surrender,” Therapy, Patient Synchronization 00:39:46 Synchrony, Empathy, Therapy & Developing Autoregulation 00:45:07 Mother vs Father, Child Development; Single Caretakers 00:50:51 MDMA, Right Brain; Fetal Development 00:55:58 Sponsor: Function 00:57:46 Integrating Positive & Negative Emotions, Quiet vs Excited Love 01:03:33 Splitting, Borderline; Therapy & Emotions 01:09:24 Tool: Right Brain, Vulnerability & Repair 01:15:32 Right vs. Left Brain, Attention 01:19:26 Right Brain Synchronization, Eye Connection, Empathy 01:25:39 Music & Dogs, Resonance 01:30:58 Right Brain & Body; Empathic Connection, Body Language 01:36:47 Tool: Text Message, Communication, Relationships 01:42:18 Right Brain Dominance & Activities; Tool: Fostering the Right Brain 01:50:10 Defenses, Blind Spots 01:53:14 Creativity, Accessing the Right Brain, Insight 01:59:31 Paternal Leave, Parent-Child Relationships, Attachment 02:05:16 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter #HubermanLab #Science #Relationships #Brain Disclaimer: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostDr. Allan Schoreguest
Nov 11, 20242h 7mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 12:00

    Introduction: Why Early Relationships Shape the Brain

    Huberman introduces Dr. Allan Schore as a leading expert on how early attachment patterns sculpt the brain and influence all later relationships. They preview the focus on the first 24 months, right vs. left hemisphere specialization, and how this framework explains adult attachment styles and the possibility of later repair.

  2. 12:00 – 29:00

    Right Brain as Unconscious Mind and Early Lateralization

    Schore equates the right brain with the unconscious mind and explains that it is constantly processing emotional information beneath awareness. He outlines evidence that the right hemisphere is dominant from late pregnancy through age two to three and describes how this shapes attachment and stress responses.

  3. 29:00 – 48:00

    Attachment as Right-Brain-to-Right-Brain Affect Regulation

    They redefine attachment as a psychobiological process in which the caregiver regulates the infant’s arousal and emotions through nonverbal cues. Schore explains how the mother’s right brain ‘reads’ the baby’s face, voice, and body, synchronizes with it, and then modulates both positive and negative states.

  4. 48:00 – 1:04:00

    Secure vs. Insecure Attachment: Regulation Strategies and Repair

    Schore details secure attachment and contrasts it with avoidant, anxious, and disorganized patterns. He emphasizes psychobiological attunement and, crucially, the repair of misattunements as the heart of secure bonds. Different insecure styles reflect over-reliance on either self- or other-regulation or breakdown of both.

  5. 1:04:00 – 1:22:00

    Attachment Circuits Across the Lifespan and Into Psychopathology

    The conversation turns to how early right-brain attachment circuits are repurposed for adolescent and adult relationships and how they underlie various psychiatric and personality disorders. Schore introduces ‘regulation theory’ as a framework spanning development, psychopathogenesis, and repair.

  6. 1:22:00 – 1:45:00

    Psychotherapy as Right-Brain Synchrony and Surrender

    Schore explains how effective therapy mirrors early attachment: the therapist must synchronize with the patient’s arousal and emotions and then co-regulate them. He distinguishes emotional vs. cognitive empathy and describes ‘surrender’ as the therapist’s callosal shift from analytic left-brain to receptive right-brain listening.

  7. 1:45:00 – 2:03:00

    Rewiring Attachment: Relationships, Self-Work, and Limits of DIY

    Huberman asks whether people can repair attachment without therapy. Schore stresses that while self-growth is possible, deep right-brain change typically requires close relationships. He underscores the importance of interpersonal synchrony, vulnerability, and shared emotionally charged moments in reshaping regulatory circuits.

  8. 2:03:00 – 2:18:00

    Primary Caregivers, Fathers, Single Parents, and MDMA Therapy

    They explore who the ‘primary attachment figure’ is and the roles of mothers and fathers. Schore notes that whoever reliably regulates the infant’s stress becomes primary, and fathers later help structure autonomy and left-brain development. They briefly discuss MDMA-assisted therapy and the need to pair empathogenic states with right-brain-informed relational work.

  9. 2:18:00 – 2:28:00

    In Utero Programming and Hormonal Impacts on the Right Brain

    Schore points to emerging evidence that lateralization and right-amygdala memory begin in utero, and that maternal stress hormones affect fetal brain development. He emphasizes that chronic prenatal stress can distort early right-brain formation and predispose to later dysregulation.

  10. 2:28:00 – 2:41:00

    Up States, Quiet Love, and the Full Range of Emotion

    They revisit Schore’s description of mother–infant transitions between calm and excitement and extend the idea to adult relationships and therapy. Schore highlights Donald Winnicott’s notions of ‘quiet love’ and ‘excited love’ and argues that mental health requires integrating both positive and negative emotions, not avoiding one side.

  11. 2:41:00 – 2:56:00

    Borderline, Narcissism, Splitting, and Relational Dynamics

    Schore dives deeper into borderline and narcissistic patterns, explaining splitting as a right-brain way of organizing the world when integration fails. He describes how these dynamics appear in therapy — idealization followed by devaluation, approach–withdrawal cycles, and defensive disengagement.

  12. 2:56:00 – 3:15:00

    Right-Brain Attention, Surrender, and Hyper-Logical Culture

    They analyze attention styles: narrow, analytic left-brain focus versus wide-ranging, evenly suspended right-brain attention. Huberman shares his own experience of periodically ‘widening’ attention during conversation. Schore frames this as a rapid callosal shift and critiques modern overreliance on left-brain modes.

  13. 3:15:00 – 3:31:00

    Music, Dogs, Smell, and Nonverbal Right-Brain Regulation

    Huberman brings up music and pets as powerful regulators of state. Schore concurs, tying music to right-hemisphere processing and dogs to multisensory, affective regulation. They note how prosody, touch, and even smell play overlooked roles in intimate human and human–animal bonds.

  14. 3:31:00 – 3:50:00

    Texting, Technology, and the Erosion of Real-Time Synchrony

    They critique modern text-based communication as largely stripped of right-brain cues like prosody and facial expression. Huberman worries about younger generations raised on texting; Schore links this to broader cultural left-brain dominance and notes alternative right-brain-nourishing experiences like nature and travel.

  15. 3:50:00 – 4:11:00

    Feeding the Right Brain: Curiosity, Novelty, and Exercise

    The discussion turns practical: how to ‘drop into’ right-brain modes. Schore recommends curiosity-driven novelty, travel, nature, and exercise, and he shares his own process of using piano and visualization to cultivate right-brain capacities while doing intense self-study for a decade.

  16. 4:11:00 – 4:30:00

    Policy, Parental Leave, and the Cost of Ignoring Early Emotion

    Schore finishes by confronting social policy: the U.S. severely underfunds and undervalues early caregiving relative to other rich nations. He argues that failure to support parents during the infant’s right-brain critical period leads to widespread emotional and relational problems later.

  17. 4:30:00

    Closing Reflections: Integrating Science, Clinical Practice, and Self-Exploration

    Huberman concludes by praising Schore’s integration of neuroscience, psychoanalysis, and personal exploration. They emphasize that understanding and working with right-brain dynamics can transform self-understanding, relationships, and clinical practice, and hint at Schore’s forthcoming book on human nature.

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