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Tools for Setting & Achieving Goals | Dr. Emily Balcetis

My guest this episode is Dr. Emily Balcetis, PhD, Professor of Psychology at New York University (NYU). Dr. Balcetis’ research focuses on how our perception of the world, particularly our visual perceptions, influences our level and persistence of motivation, how we conceptualize goals, actual goal achievement and our emotional state as we pursue goals. Dr. Balcetis explains how to best visualize and overcome challenges in pursuit of larger, complex goals. We also discuss the science of how to define goals and intermediate milestones, overcome obstacles and effectively track progress. This episode highlights science-based, immediately actionable tools that anyone can use to set and achieve physical and/or cognitive goals more effectively. For an up-to-date list of our current sponsors, please visit our website: https://www.hubermanlab.com/sponsors. Previous sponsors mentioned in this podcast episode may no longer be affiliated with us. *Edit to 6:07: Levels enables members to see their continuous glucose data alongside their food and exercise logs — Levels itself is not a continuous glucose monitor. Social & Website Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter - https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab Website - https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter - https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Subscribe to the Huberman Lab Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3thCToZ Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PYzuFs Google Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3amI809 Other platforms: https://hubermanlab.com/follow Dr. Emily Balcetis NYU Profile: https://as.nyu.edu/faculty/emily-balcetis.html Clearer, Closer, Better: How Successful People See The World: https://amzn.to/3PQfhBk Why some people find exercise harder than others (TED Talk): https://bit.ly/3zHttqx Dustin Grue: https://bit.ly/3vNFSqD Writer’s bloc: An online, real-time communal writing platform for enhancing writing pedagogies: https://bit.ly/3SviY17 Twitter: https://twitter.com/EBalcetis Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emilybalcetis Other Resources: Anish Kapoor: https://anishkapoor.com Reporter App: http://reporter-app.com One Second Everyday App: https://1se.co Timestamps 00:00:00 Dr. Emily Balcetis, Visualization of Goals & Motivation 00:03:24 Momentous Supplements 00:04:38 Thesis, Levels, ROKA 00:08:08 Vision & Motivation 00:11:37 Tool: Narrowing Visual Focus & Improving Exercise 00:21:39 Adjusting Visual Attention & Perceived Fatigue 00:25:14 Tool: Visual Focus “Spotlight” 00:27:57 Tool: Goal Gradient Hypothesis, Visual Spotlight to Increase Effort 00:33:38 AG1 (Athletic Greens) 00:35:00 Defining Goals vs. Accomplishing Goals, Dream Boards & Goal Lists 00:41:28 Tool: How to Setting Better Goals & Identify Obstacles 00:46:38 Vision is Unique, Challenging the Visual System, Realistic Goals & Micro-Goals 00:57:12 Do Fit People View the World Differently?, States of Body & Visual Experiences 01:05:54 Caffeine, Stimulants, Visual Windows & Motivation 01:10:13 Tools: Goal Setting & Cognitive (Non-Physical) Goals, Data Collection 01:21:54 Year in Review & Memory 01:26:32 Visual Tools & Mental Health, Depression & Visual Priming 01:31:33 Focusing Attention & Increasing Visual Detail/Resolution 01:36:12 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Neural Network Newsletter, Instagram, Twitter, Momentous Supplements The Huberman Lab Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac - https://www.blabacphoto.com

Andrew HubermanhostEmily Balcetisguest
Aug 1, 20221h 38mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 7:10

    Intro: Vision, Motivation, and Clearer, Closer, Better

    Huberman introduces Dr. Emily Balcetis, a psychologist at NYU whose work sits at the intersection of vision science and motivation. He frames the central thesis: how we visually represent goals—steep vs. shallow hills, far vs. near—profoundly shapes our energy, persistence, and sense of overwhelm. He previews that the episode will cover peer-reviewed research and practical tools for all kinds of goals.

    • Balcetis studies motivation, goal setting, and successful goal completion with a focus on visual perception.
    • Mental images like a very steep versus gentle hill change how daunting a goal feels and how we allocate effort.
    • Perceiving goals as visually closer or broken into sub-goals supports more sustained, less exhausting pursuit.
    • The episode intends to translate lab findings into tools for education, career, health, and relationships.
  2. 7:10 – 16:20

    Why Classic Motivation Tactics Are So Exhausting

    Balcetis explains that common self-motivation strategies—pep talks, constant reminders, Post-its—are themselves goals to maintain and therefore highly effortful. People start strong but burnout before the halfway point. Her lab began looking for strategies that are more automatic and rooted in existing bodily processes, leading them to focus on vision as a low-friction lever.

    • Self-talk and environmental reminders demand continuous effort and attention, which is hard to sustain.
    • Maintaining motivation strategies becomes a second-order goal that can overwhelm the original goal.
    • Visual processing is continuous and largely automatic for sighted people, making it a promising intervention channel.
    • Early work explored visual illusions to test whether people could be nudged to “see” opportunities differently.
  3. 16:20 – 27:40

    Elite Runners’ Secret: The Power of Narrowed Focus

    At a Brooklyn armory turned YMCA, Balcetis interviews Olympic and elite runners and discovers they do not scan the entire environment while racing. Instead, they describe using a tight visual ‘spotlight’ on the finish line or on a stable sub-goal (like someone’s shorts ahead). She then finds that competitive but non-elite runners also use this narrowed focus more when they perform better.

    • Initial intuition was that elite runners constantly monitor the whole field; interviews disproved this.
    • Sprinters and short-distance runners report hyper-focused attention on a specific visual target.
    • Longer-distance runners use narrow focus more strategically, increasingly in the latter half of races.
    • New York Road Runners data show a correlation: more consistent use of narrow focus associates with faster race times.
  4. 27:40 – 38:50

    Training Everyday People to ‘See Closer’ and Suffer Less

    Balcetis describes experiments where non-athletes are trained to use a narrowed visual focus: imagine a spotlight on a stop sign or finish line and ‘blinders’ on the sides. Compared to those instructed to look around naturally, the spotlight group moves faster and reports less pain in a controlled, moderately difficult exercise task. This shows the technique is teachable, fast, and effective.

    • Participants wore ankle weights (15% of body weight) and high-stepped to a fixed finish line.
    • Narrow-focus group was explicitly instructed to spotlight the finish line and ignore the periphery.
    • They completed the task 27% faster and rated the effort 17% less painful than controls.
    • Same environment and load, but different subjective experience, confirming the power of visual framing.
  5. 38:50 – 49:40

    Goal Gradient, Illusion of Proximity, and Effort

    Building on classic rat and mouse studies from the mid-20th century, Balcetis explains the goal gradient hypothesis: animals work harder as they get closer to a reward, even when depleted. Her team asked whether creating an illusion that a goal is closer—via narrowed attention—could trigger the same extra effort in humans. Their data confirm that spotlighting makes goals look visually closer, which then ramps up motivation.

    • Rats run faster and mice pull harder as they approach food or water; effort spikes near the goal.
    • Humans similarly increase investment as goals feel nearer, even when resources are low.
    • Narrowed attention experimentally produces a measurable illusion that the finish line is closer.
    • This visual compression of distance seems to be the mechanism driving improved performance and reduced perceived effort.
  6. 49:40 – 59:00

    Vision Boards, Positive Fantasies, and Why They Often Fail

    The conversation shifts to non-exercise goals and popular tools like vision boards and positive visualization. Drawing on Gabriele Oettingen’s work, Balcetis explains that vividly fantasizing about a great future lowers systolic blood pressure—a marker of readiness to act—because the brain partially treats the fantasy as attainment. This can leave people feeling good but physiologically less prepared to start.

    • Vision boards help some people clarify what they want, but they do not reliably promote execution.
    • Positive fantasizing reduces systolic blood pressure, indicating reduced action readiness.
    • The body ‘relaxes’ as if a goal was to some extent satisfied, diminishing urgency to do the work.
    • Huberman connects this to dopamine rewards from telling others about future plans, which can substitute for actual accomplishment.
  7. 59:00 – 1:11:10

    A Better Formula: Concrete Steps and Obstacle Planning

    Balcetis outlines a more effective goal-setting process: define the long-term vision, break it into concrete near-term actions, and crucially, plan for obstacles in advance. She uses the Michael Phelps goggle-failure story to illustrate implementation intentions: because he had rehearsed exactly what to do if his goggles filled with water, he could execute automatically under stress and still win gold.

    • Beyond defining a big-picture vision, people need specific short-term actions (e.g., 2-week chunks).
    • Oettingen’s research shows that mentally contrasting goals with obstacles and setting if–then plans improves follow-through.
    • Planning for obstacles pre-loads solutions for moments when time, resources, and cognition are constrained.
    • Michael Phelps practiced swimming blind and counting strokes, so goggle failure at the Beijing Olympics did not derail him.
  8. 1:11:10 – 1:22:50

    Is Vision Really Special Among the Senses?

    Huberman and Balcetis discuss whether vision has unique leverage compared to other modalities like counting steps or strokes. Balcetis highlights that more cortical real estate is devoted to vision than other senses, and that people rarely get corrected about what they saw, leading them to deeply trust visual input. Visual illusions and artists like Anish Kapoor reveal how much we normally take our visual world for granted.

    • Vision occupies more cortical space than taste, touch, smell, or hearing.
    • In noisy contexts we often doubt our hearing but rarely doubt what we saw, reinforcing visual dominance.
    • Viral illusions like “the dress” and Kapoor’s installations show how easily our visual system can be tricked.
    • Because vision is so trusted and omnipresent, small visual shifts can have outsized cognitive and motivational effects.
  9. 1:22:50 – 1:31:00

    Setting the Right-Sized Sub-Goals and Time Bins

    They explore how to choose the granularity of sub-goals—counting every step vs. every 10, listening to a whole playlist, etc. Balcetis emphasizes that goals must be challenging but not impossible; too easy gives no satisfaction, too hard feels unattainable. She recommends tailoring sub-goals to one’s current capacity and leveraging micro-milestones for repeated ‘hits’ of accomplishment that carry you through difficult stretches.

    • There is no universal optimal chunk size; it must be calibrated to the individual and the task.
    • Micro-goals (e.g., sets of 10 jumping jacks) can provide frequent hedonic ‘wins’ that sustain effort.
    • Goals that are too trivial don’t create meaningful satisfaction, while overly ambitious goals can be demoralizing.
    • The brain’s reward system responds to repeated small completions, not just final outcomes.
  10. 1:31:00 – 1:57:10

    When Your Body Changes Your Map: Energy, Weight, and Distance Perception

    Balcetis details studies showing that bodily state alters visual perception of space. People who are overweight, older, fatigued, or artificially loaded with heavy backpacks see distances as farther and hills as steeper. Her own sugar vs. Splenda Kool-Aid study demonstrates experimentally that giving people real glucose compresses perceived distance to a finish line, showing that energy availability warps how hard the world looks.

    • Chronic fatigue, aging, excess weight, and added load all bias perception toward longer distances and steeper inclines.
    • In the Kool-Aid experiment, participants could not consciously tell whether they’d ingested sugar or Splenda (double-blind).
    • Those with metabolized sugar (higher circulating glucose) reported the same distance as visually closer.
    • This helps explain why ‘just go exercise’ is non-trivial for many—their visual system genuinely presents the task as harder.
  11. 1:57:10 – 2:07:00

    Can Visual Tools Help Depressive and Anxious Minds?

    Huberman raises the potential of these findings for depression and anxiety, where low energy and negative expectancy dominate. Balcetis notes that people with these conditions preferentially attend to negative or threatening stimuli, reinforcing their state. While her lab hasn’t yet tested narrow-focus interventions in clinical populations, she references work training patients to attend to smiling faces, which can transiently boost mood and perceived self-efficacy.

    • Anxious and depressed individuals exhibit ‘attentional bias’ toward negative or threatening cues in their environment.
    • This selective attention loop—thinking the world is dangerous or sad and then seeing confirmatory evidence—reinforces symptoms.
    • Training people to consciously seek out and attend to positive stimuli (e.g., smiling faces) can create short-term improvements.
    • There is substantial opportunity for future research integrating narrow-focus and visual-framing tools into mental health interventions.
  12. 2:07:00 – 2:23:40

    Beyond Exercise: Drumming, Data, and Remembering Progress Accurately

    Balcetis applies her own tools to a personal goal: learning to play a rock song on drums after having a baby and while writing her book. She felt she was failing and barely practicing, but used the Reporter app to randomly log whether she had practiced and how it felt. The data later revealed more frequent practice and an emotional trajectory from frustration to pride, correcting her biased memory and reinforcing that progress was real.

    • Life goals are varied; Balcetis chose learning drums as a personal challenge and identity project.
    • Subjectively she felt stuck and under-practiced, recalling mostly moments of crying and frustration.
    • The Reporter app pinged her randomly to record if she’d practiced and her emotional state after.
    • Data analysis showed she practiced more than she thought, and her emotional ratings clearly improved over time, bolstering motivation.
  13. 2:23:40 – 2:33:40

    1 Second Everyday: Visual Storytelling as Motivation

    They discuss the 1 Second Everyday app, which lets users record one second of video per day and compiles them into a time-lapse narrative. The app’s creator cites a one-second clip of a brick wall as particularly meaningful because it evokes the moment his family learned about a life-threatening condition affecting his sister-in-law. The story illustrates how simple visual symbols can accrue deep emotional significance and help people remember what truly matters over long timescales.

    • 1 Second Everyday creates dense, visual narratives of months or years of life from tiny daily clips.
    • Even mundane images can become powerful cues tied to major emotional or existential moments.
    • Visual self-documentation supports reflection, gratitude, and a more accurate sense of one’s journey than memory alone.
    • Huberman notes this could be used to document consistent behaviors like morning sunlight exposure or pet growth over time.
  14. 2:33:40

    How Attention Changes the Brain and Final Reflections

    In closing, Balcetis references neuroscience showing that attention choices alter brain activation: when people are shown overlapping images of faces and houses, the fusiform face area activates only when they choose to attend to faces. This underscores that our high-level decisions about what to look at reconfigure low-level neural processing. The episode ends with Huberman reiterating the value of these visual tools and standard podcast housekeeping.

    • Overlaid-image studies show that voluntarily attending to faces versus houses changes which cortical regions activate.
    • This indicates that top-down attention directs bottom-up sensory processing, not just interpretation after the fact.
    • Narrowing or redirecting visual attention is a concrete way to change internal brain states and subjective experience.
    • Huberman thanks Balcetis, plugs her book and tools, and reminds listeners about podcast resources and sponsors.

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