Jay Shetty PodcastPARIS HILTON: “People thought I did it on purpose.” The LIE that ruined her life...
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Intro
- JSJay Shetty
[intro music] The last time you were on the show was around two and a half years ago.
- PHParis Hilton
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
What's different about the Paris Hilton sitting in front of me today versus the one that I met two and a half years ago?
- PHParis Hilton
Wow. It's... Like, I feel like I've just grown so much, and it feels like a lifetime ago even though it was only two and a half years. So much has happened. I'm now a mother of two. I just moved into my new home. I have just been on this whole discovery journey, and now with my new documentary, it's just, um... just had a lot of time to reflect on my life as well, and been through so much. And, um, yeah, I'm just really proud of the woman I am today.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- 1:12 – 4:14
Healing Through Music
- JSJay Shetty
Last time you came on, we were talking about your memoir. Today, we're talking about your documentary. I felt the memoir was such a cathartic, emotional experience writing it, sharing it. When I watched the documentary, it feels like this was the same. It felt like it was the music is therapy, the journey's healing. You really see your growth in it. What was different about writing a memoir and then making this documentary and capturing all of this build-up to the incredible performances and development of music?
- PHParis Hilton
Feel like this is, like, a trilogy, like, my healing experience. Like, first through my documentary, This Is Paris, then the second part through my memoir, and now with this third part with this music documentary. And really, um, just going into my journey through life, but seeing it through the lens of music and just how healing music has been to me and how I really believe that music is something that saved my life. Just going through so much in my life and through so much trauma and pain, and I always remember the one thing that would always make me so happy was music.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
So I really wanted, um, to just dive back into that more and, and also just revisiting a dream of mine. 'Cause since I was a little girl, I've always loved music, and, um, then releasing my first album in the 2000s. Um, and I just feel like I was just so underestimated back then, and now I really feel like I'm taking back my power and my voice and, um, showing people a side of me they'd never seen before.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Did you get your Spotify Wrapped age this morning? Did you see that? So Spotify Wrapped just launched-
- PHParis Hilton
Oh, the Spotify Wrapped
- JSJay Shetty
... yeah, so when you see-
- PHParis Hilton
All of my fans have been posting their... I haven't looked at mine yet, but-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah. So I looked at... So what it does is it has this algorithm that looks at all the songs you listen to, and then it gives you your age as to how old you are based on whether you listen to music in the '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, or whatever it was. I was, I was exactly my age, which, which says a lot, but then a lot of my team are, like, double their age. The music that you grew up to or the music that made you feel peaceful, at home, that saved your life, as you just said, what was that music when you first started listening and learning about music versus when you started creating? What was the music that gave you that sense of home?
- PHParis Hilton
Dance music. Like, just being at, like, raves and music festivals. And also artists like Madonna, she's always been such an inspiration to me. Like, Britney songs, to this day I'm, like, obsessed with all of her music. It just makes me so happy, and just anything that brings me, like, happiness and joy and that energy.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
And just listening to certain lyrics of songs and just really being touched by them 'cause I feel like music is something is- that's so powerful, like, where you can just hear a lyric, and it could change your mood in an instant or even change your life.
- 4:14 – 5:38
Lyrics That Could Change Your Mood
- JSJay Shetty
I could agree more. I was... I grew up on a lot of rap and hip-hop music, was what I primarily listened to, and I can still remember lyrics that feel like they transformed my life. And it sounds so crazy to say it, but when you felt it, you know how much that lyric motivated you or made you feel seen or... Was there a lyric that you've written or that you've heard that you feel does that for you, that makes you feel seen, heard, and makes other people feel that way? What would you, what would you pick? I'm intrigued.
- PHParis Hilton
From my new album, Infinite Icon, my song ADHD that I wrote with Sia because it's just a personal song, and when I was talking with her when we were writing, I was like, "I wanna write a song about ADHD." And she's like, "I've never heard a pop star do that before." I'm like, "Do you think that's, like, weird for the album?" She's like, "No, I love it. Like, I think that's incredible." And we started writing it together, and it's just been a song where when I released it, I've had so many parents come up to me talking about their children, just saying that, you know, having ADHD was something that they were ashamed of. But ever since they've been listening to my song, like, they- it's now their anthem, and they feel like it's their superpower too. So just to be able to help people and transform their lives through music is such a powerful thing, and I'm just very proud of that song and this album.
- 5:38 – 8:27
ADHD Awareness
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. I wanted to talk about ADHD. Of course, that's one of the big things that comes out in the documentary with you talking about your experience with it. When was it that you first discovered or started to experience it, and was it uncomfortable in the beginning before you understood what it was?
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah, because I was a teenager in school, and nobody was really talking about ADHD back then. It wasn't, you know, something that people would really discuss, and it just had such a negative connotation behind it where people were almost ashamed of it. So I was just, you know, always in school, and no matter how hard I would study or try, I would constantlyJust not be able to remember things in school, be losing my homework, failing tests, and I just was just always just getting in trouble in school, just I couldn't concentrate or focus. And it's just because the systems are not built for minds like ours, and I just didn't know what was wrong. I was like always like, "What's wrong with me? Why can't I get this right?" And it was just really hard on my mental health. And it wasn't till, you know, in the past years since my documentary, um, when I started talking to Dr. Hallowell, who's my ADHD doctor, and he just taught me so much about it, and then I just started researching and finding out even more. So now I completely understand just it's how my brain works. And now I see it as my superpower, like I don't... I know I would not be the woman I am today or the entrepreneur without it because it just gives me such drive and curiosity and creativity and having a million ideas all the time [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
... and just my brain just never stops. And, um, now I've learned to harness it, and I just wanna spread that message to others, especially, you know, young girls and boys who are going through it, um, to know that this is something that is actually a good thing, and you can be successful in life. And some of the most creative people I know and brilliant geniuses all have ADHD as well. So I like to be able to spread that message because I wish when I was growing up I had someone like that to look up to to tell me that, so I would've learned about it sooner [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- PHParis Hilton
... instead of... You know, 'cause it is difficult. Like, there's this thing called RSD, which is like rejection sensitivity dysphoria, where we're extremely sensitive, and anything that seems even slightly negative, like we will feel physical pain from it. And it's, it's, um, it's exhausting, and it's painful, and it's very difficult to go through. And I just wish back then I knew about this because I feel like I would've, you know, not suffered through so much pain because I would've known that it wasn't true. It was just, you know, just how our brains
- 8:27 – 10:35
How to Turn ADHD Into a Superpower
- PHParis Hilton
work.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. I, I, I don't have ADHD, but when I was young, I would have these heart palpitations. I'd feel tight-chested. My mom would take me to the doctor. They'd run some tests, and they'd just be like, "Oh, it's nothing." And like now you'd call it anxiety, or you'd call it a panic attack, or you'd call it, you know, high stress. And it's, it's so fascinating to me that when we were young, or I'm still young, but when, when we were younger-
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... there was no conversation about this at all, especially not in the mainstream.
- PHParis Hilton
No.
- JSJay Shetty
And so I love that you're making a [laughs] song about it and giving people an anthem because all of a sudden it's not just people are talking about it. And the way you're talking about it, it's not just coping, and it's not just managing. You're actually saying, "It's my superpower." Talk to me about how ADHD is your superpower because you're not just saying, "I've figured out how to deal with it, and I've figured out how to manage it, and I've figured out how to cope with it." You're saying, "This is actually what makes me a great entrepreneur and a great creator." Talk to me about that connection.
- PHParis Hilton
I think it just really gives me that drive, and also taking risks, doing things first. Um, just constantly my brain is just always moving, thinking, creating, coming up with different ideas, and doing things first, and just, um, just thinking outside of the box. I feel like that's why I've always been such a multi-hyphenate because I have so many ideas. I have so many different interests, and I do what I want. And another one of my favorite parts of ADHD is hyperfocus, where, you know, people always think, oh, they can't focus. We can. We just don't focus on things that are boring.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
But if... when we're interested in something, we can laser focus like no other and go into this flow where it's, like, on another level, and, um, that's where the magic happens. So I really encourage people with ADHD to lean into the things that light them up because you never know what's possible, and, um, think that I'm proof of that.
- JSJay Shetty
That's such a great message. You're, you're
- 10:35 – 13:24
Doing Important Things First
- JSJay Shetty
like the original multi-hyphenate, I feel.
- PHParis Hilton
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
You know, like I love that you, you said twice there, you were, like, doing things first.
- PHParis Hilton
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
That's really important to you.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
How have you always had the courage to do things first? Because doing something first means no one's done it before. No one knows what it's gonna be like. Why is that? How have you always found a way to do that when most people would say that's the scariest thing to do?
- PHParis Hilton
Just feel like I never wanted to be in one lane. I wanted to create my own lane, and I just have always been someone who just loves to do things and take risks and do things before anyone else maybe even thinks about them, and that's why I feel like so much of my career I've been so ahead of my time because I've been doing so many things even before the world would even understand what they are. And now, like, some of the things that I did back then have turned into multi-billion dollar industries-
- JSJay Shetty
Industries. [laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
... [laughs] that, you know, millions of people are doing as well. So that also makes me proud to be able to do that, and then also, you know, open the lanes for other people to be able to do it for themselves as well 'cause maybe people are too scared to do something, but they're like, "Oh, she did it. Maybe I can do it, too." And I think that's pretty cool that you can inspire others to just go for it in life. You only live once, and I think you should just make the most out of it.
- JSJay Shetty
What was your favorite first thing you ever did?
- PHParis Hilton
Just everything I did growing up with, like, fashion, just, like, really taking risks with that, and now to see just so many of the things I was wearing back when I was, like, a teenager even today just are, like, all over mood boards, all over the runway. So it's really cool to be able to do that. And then with The Simple Life, you know, that was the first reality show, and-So many people told me, you know, my parents, my agents, everyone was like, "I don't know. This is not a good idea." Like, they didn't really, you know, understand what it was, but I knew there was something special about it, and I just went for it and did it. And now that's turned into a whole industry as well, so.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
It's, it was fun. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, it's pretty insane, it's pretty insane to think you living your dream and what excited you turned into industries.
- PHParis Hilton
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
Now, we're not talking about trends or fads or moments. We're talking about industries, which is, which is quite remarkable when you pause to think about that. D- how often, how often do you sit there and think about just the impact that that's had?
- PHParis Hilton
I think about it a lot, just 'cause so many people are always coming up to me, whether I'm, like, walking on the street or at an event, and just saying, like, "You're the OG."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
Like, "You're the reason I do what I do." Like, "You've inspired me my whole life." And just that means a lot to me, hearing that from people and, and, um, just getting the credit that I deserve.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. When do you find ADHD
- 13:24 – 16:58
The Challenges of Having ADHD
- JSJay Shetty
to be the most challenging? We've talked about it where it's the best and it's a superpower. Where is it difficult and actually something that debilitates people sometimes and acts as a moment of pushback?
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah, there's, there's so many difficult parts about it, um, from a lot of people just not understanding it, and in schools because schools were not, the systems were not built for brains like ours. So just constantly, you know, teachers and people just punishing you for something that you can't control. And like I said before with the RSD, that is just such a painful experience to go through, and we feel things so deeply and so big. Like, every single emotion is, like, times 10. Um, so, like, going through heartbreak or a breakup or anything like that is just so painful. Or even if someone's, you know, you think someone's being mean or talking about you, like, you just always in the back of your mind sometimes, like, have this voice that's, like, saying negative self-talk. And especially for me growing up, you know, in, in the 2000s, they were just... The media was so cruel to young women and, you know, it was, like, abuse. And, um, you know, that was, like, entertainment back in the day for people. So to go through all of that, um, with the ADHD was, um, even more difficult. So I think that, um, yeah, we're just very sensitive people and, um, I think that's also why I have so much empathy for others because I just know how it feels, um, to be hurt and misunderstood and underestimated.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, you see it in the documentary. You talk about how you said the media, you know, painted young women. You say, "Media was so cruel and vicious to girls."
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And you see it, right? You, in the documentary, we see the headlines. We see the kind of stories that they create, and you just said you're a very sensitive person. What was the story that you feel most hurt you at the time that now you see, oh, is, I had ADHD, and I would have focused, hyperfocused on that? But what was a story or a, a rumor that you felt most hurt you?
- PHParis Hilton
Ugh. I don't know. Just there were so many. I think it was just, like, constantly people just making up lies or, you know, if I would just be at a party or someone would come up to me and, like, one paparazzi would take a picture. Like, the next day they're like, "Oh, she's hooking up with this person," and it was like, I literally just met this person and, like, said hi. And just that would cause problems in my relationships and fights. So it was just like the media was constantly making up stories, trying to pit women against each other. They were always wanting, you know, all of the girls to, like, just be making up rumors to sell tabloids. So it was just every day just dealing with just, I don't know, just, like, annoying rumors that are going around, but on, you know, a global scale all around the world. And I've always been, like, sensitive with my family 'cause I just, I don't know, I care a lot what my parents think, so I would just... I don't know. It would just be hard how they would constantly make up stories just like, "Oh, she was here this night," or, "She did this." But, um, thank God my mom and dad know the real me, so they know the truth. But still, it's just, it's hard to go through that on just, like, such a huge scale when the whole world is watching you and talking about you. So that was, um, difficult to go through back then a lot.
- 16:58 – 19:31
The Importance of a Strong Support System for Children
- JSJay Shetty
I always like to put it in perspective when you're listening because, you know, I, I didn't come and grow up in this world, and I've got closer to this world as my career's moved forward. And when I was far away from it, I probably believed everything was published to be true, and now as I've got closer to it, I realize how 99% of what's published is not true. And so I've been able to see it from both sides, and I always try and say to people, I'm like, when you see that, it can sound very easy to be like, "Oh, but you're rich and famous and successful. Like, this shouldn't bother you." But the reality is that it does bother you because we are all bothered by what people think about us, and we know what it feels like when you walk into a party with 20 of your friends and 15 of them have a rumor. Now maximize that across the world and amplify that across media. It's extremely difficult to hear that everyone believes you're X, Y, or Z when, when you're something else. It's great to hear that your parents actually didn't fall for that. Like, they didn't, they didn't buy into it. They were there as your rock. Was that, how important was that? How meaningful was that?
- PHParis Hilton
So important. Having a family that loves and supports you is extremely important. And, um, growing up in this town my whole life, I've seen so much, and I've seen a lot of people who don't have, you know, that support from their families. And-
- JSJay Shetty
Did you see different pathways happen to them?
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
So you've been able to consistently reinvent, build, grow your career, achieve more and more stuff. What did you see to peers who didn't have that support at home or that mindset?
- PHParis Hilton
It was very difficult for them, very lonely, and not knowing who to trust, not even... Some people not even being able to trust their own family, and a lot of these, you know, kids growing up were the breadwinners for their family, so that dynamic in itself. And then, um, not having, I don't know, just like those family values instilled in them as well. So I saw it a lot... Uh, I've seen a lot of people come and go from this town. Like, let's put it that way. I think it's hard to, to go through this and, you know, experience this industry, this lifestyle, and, um, not have that support, and a lot of these people just spiral and, um, you know, some of them are not even here with us anymore because of that, so it's, um, it's very sad. Like, I feel very grateful to have such amazing parents who love me so much and who support me, and that we're so close. And, um, you know, not everybody
- 19:31 – 23:49
The Aftermath Of A Damaging Tape
- PHParis Hilton
has that.
- JSJay Shetty
It must be painful to look back because you now have the wisdom to be able to help, but obviously at that age you didn't.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And so you just had to take care of yourself, and I'm sure if you could go and reach out to those people at that time, at that age, it would have helped them, but-
- PHParis Hilton
I know
- JSJay Shetty
... they didn't really have that support. And, and it's, yeah, it's, it's painful to watch. I mean, you go on to say in the documentary that, you know, the release of the sex tape was the most painful and violating experience of your life.
- PHParis Hilton
Oh.
- JSJay Shetty
And I think what's really powerful, I said this to you offline as we were talking outside when we were taking pictures, that it's really amazing, when I was watching the documentary, to watch you reflect on a moment that we all remember, but seeing you reflect on it not emotionally in your healing because it, it feels like, at least to me, that you've done so much work on yourself that the healing is there, but now you're able to look at it at a moment in time as to how damaging it was for you as a young woman, for potentially taking away your music career, for the impact it had on your self-esteem. Talk to me about how you felt at that time and how your healing has looked to even recover from something like that.
- PHParis Hilton
Oh. That was, you know... I've been through a lot in my life, but that was, you know, one of the most painful experiences to go through. To trust someone so much and then to be violated like that and have the entire world watching, laughing, talking about it, like villainizing me. I was, you know, 19 when this was filmed. I was a child, and I was in love and trusted someone and, you know, did something I thought that no one would ever see and, um, then had the whole world, you know, judging me for something. And, um, it just, you know, watch- like, going back and doing this documentary and, and re- reliving that and thinking about it even, it's just like this young girl, and then there's all these adults like basically sexualizing and, and, you know, verbally, mentally like abusing me. Um, and is- that wouldn't happen today. Like, I look at, you know, thinking about it, like that today, like he would be like in jail. Like that would, it would not fly. And I don't know. I think, I also think about it too and like, you know, maybe I had to go through certain things in life so it wouldn't happen to others because today it would be a completely different story. Um, but yeah, it was just... I feel like that's something that people, if they don't know my story now, like that they would judge me for the rest of my life for it. And, you know, growing up, I always like looked up to people like Princess Diana and Grace Kelly, all these amazing, elegant women, and I feel like when he did that to me, it took that away from me. Like people would never look at me in that way because of it, and that is something that has, has, will probably haunt me for the rest of my life and it just makes me so sad for that girl who had to go through that and just feel so alone and just so sad. Like I just didn't even wanna ever see anyone again after that happened. I was like hiding in my house. I canceled the whole press tour for The Simple Life 'cause that was literally about to come out like a few days later. Um, and, uh, yeah. Something I don't know if I'll ever fully heal from that.
- JSJay Shetty
Really?
- PHParis Hilton
I don't know. I don't think I will, but I hope by telling my story that I can help others from not having that happen to them, and also having it be illegal. And now there's so many laws against it, and there was nothing to protect me back then for it. But today, women are more protected in that sense, but there's still more work to do, and that's something also that I wanna use my voice for and fight because it's not right for anyone to go through something like that.
- JSJay Shetty
Was that the
- 23:49 – 28:17
Revisiting A Terrible Experience
- JSJay Shetty
reason you revisited in the documentary? What was your reason for wanting to revisit such a horrific, terrible, tragic, and heartbreaking time? Like, why did, why did you do it?
- PHParis Hilton
Just to let others know they're not alone. I've seen it happen to so many other women. Had so many people, girls reach out to me on social media. Girls, boys, p- so many people go through that. You know, where an ex will go and, and do something like that to them and put it online, and then it's something that ruins their lives as well and the-So many people have been through it, so I want people to know that they're not alone, and that's not their shame. They shouldn't be ashamed for something that someone did to them. And, um, yeah, I think it's important for people to be able to think about it that way because I feel that that shouldn't define who you are because that's not who you are. That's what somebody did to you. And, um, that's been a really empowering thing for me to feel, to let go of that shame because it's something I should never have held onto.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. It's, it's so, it's so interesting, isn't it, where someone hurts you and takes advantage of you and exploits you, but then you're the one who's left with the shame and guilt, and then you carry that around, and now everyone you see, you're reflecting back-
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... that shame and guilt. And like you said, the media makes a storm out of it to get attention off of it and makes it worse. I, I can't imagine what you went through at that time. Like, I, I can't even begin to fathom, especially as a 19-year-old-
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... like, to, to go through that. And I'm glad that things are changing, but I still worry that the media finds a way to target women. Like you said, I'm sure you have famous women reach out to you all the time as to how they feel targeted in the media-
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... even today to talk. Do, do you get people reaching out and saying, "Paris, how do you deal with this?"
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah. A lot of people reach out to me and just like, "How did you survive, like, all this?" Like, "You're so strong. You've been through so much." And they'll be like, "I'm going through something similar right now, like, and I don't know what to do." And a lot of people even said, like, "I want, like, to take my own life, like, I don't wanna live anymore." And I, I just, you know, I just try to make people feel strong and know that they'll... this is something that will pass and they'll get over it, and just to take back their power in some way. But, um, yeah, I think just the shame is something that is just so hard to hold onto, so I think that's important for people tr- to try to heal from that and to let go from it. But, you know, it's something that still happens today, and it makes me so sad. And now, you know, with all these platforms and, you know, uh, the iPhones and all, it's just like the hidden camera. There's just so many things that are happening, and it just... People need to stop and be- people need to be held accountable for it so they don't think that they can just get away with it.
- JSJay Shetty
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- 28:17 – 29:39
Back In The Spotlight
- JSJay Shetty
What was that 12-month period after the tape release like for you? Like, what did life look like? You said you put off the press tour for a simple life.
- PHParis Hilton
I just for several months did not leave my house. I just didn't wanna see anyone. I didn't wanna talk to anyone. I canceled everything. I didn't wanna s- speak about it. I just wanted to, like, ignore it and just pretend like it never happened so I would just, like, not even have to think about it. People just kept saying, like, "Paris," like, "we need you here." Like, "Your show just came out." And then SNL called, and they asked me to come on, and Jimmy Fallon had this really funny script that they wanted me to do, and I was really nervous to do it. But I love Jimmy. He's always been so kind and so lovely and just a really amazing person. So I went and did it, and I feel like that made me feel a little bit better. Like I was almost taking my power back in a way and, and I don't know. It just, like, was, like, a turning point for me, where after that, then I felt more comfortable. And then, you know, it was always difficult and hard, but I knew that I needed to be strong, and I knew that I needed to just go on with my life. Um, but it's something that will always be in the back of
- 29:39 – 34:14
Healing And Reclaiming Your Narrative
- PHParis Hilton
my mind.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. That moment in the documentary which that, that clip of you on SNL, it feels like that was the moment where you leaned into the narrative, owning it, claiming it in your own way, redefining it, and that sounds like such a... That's so counterintuitive, but for you, it was marketing genius, but also healing. It's like, it's almost, it's so, it's such a hard moment because it's like there's so much pain internally, but then you have work and a life, and you're trying to get it back, and so you... Talk to me about what reclaiming your narrative meant to you in that moment and what you went on to do that felt empowering internally and externally because I think we see externally how it made sense as a brand, but you're a human. And, and as I'm sitting in front of you now and I'm hearing you speak, I'm likeOh, no, this is, this is not over for Paris. It, it never was, even though the ads and everything took off and everything changed. What was that internal journey after that that was happening while the external brand was being reclaimed?
- PHParis Hilton
I think in my mind, I just felt like, I don't know, the whole world had this kind of like f- what they thought of this, like, persona, and I was already creating a character in a way because of all the other trauma I'd been through as a teenager.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, which we discussed last time.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah. So that was, like, almost like my armor, like this caricature where I was like, "This will keep me strong," and, you know, they're not actually laughing at me. They're laughing at this character that I purposely am doing. So I don't know. It was kind of just, like, leaning into it, like, "Oh, you think this about me? All right. Well, I'm gonna take it to the next level, and I'm gonna build [laughs] this entire, like-
- JSJay Shetty
Empire
- PHParis Hilton
... brand around it, an empire. And I don't know. I just felt like always that character, you know, kind of like that dumb blonde persona just kind of just was, like, shielding me from everything else. And also, 'cause I had so much, you know, internalized pain and trauma I'd been through that I was not ready to discuss back then because I just didn't even have the time to reflect on it 'cause I was young.
- JSJay Shetty
It was-
- PHParis Hilton
I was... Like, a million things were happening, and, you know, people were not even talking about mental health or any of that, you know, I think up until, like, five years ago, it feels like.
- JSJay Shetty
Literally.
- PHParis Hilton
[laughs] Like, literally.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
So there was no room to even do that because nobody... If you even said the word mental health back then, people wouldn't even know what that would be. Like, "What? Like a mental hospital?" Like, they wouldn't even understand what that meant. Um, so it was just like a timing was not even right to be able to be serious or talk about it or reflect in that way, and I was so young, and I wouldn't even have known how to put anything into words. So I kind of just... I don't know. I think everything is... Also, my career's just always happened so authentically, which is like, I just kind of, like, lean into things and just have fun with it. And with the ADHD, I have, like, this kind of almost, like, silly fun side, and then with the Simple Life show as well, it just, like, kind of all turned into this thing. And then I just was like, "Okay," and started getting offered all these deals and my new perfume and just, you know, getting paid a million dollars to show up at a party. I was like, "Okay," like, "Let's do this." [laughs] So I kind of was just, like, going with the flow and with life, and also it was more, I think, easier for me just to, like, laugh through the pain than actually feel the pain-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- PHParis Hilton
... as well.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. It, it can't have been easy that people were saying you put the tape out on purpose either. I mean, that is just-
- PHParis Hilton
That was the thing that was the most painful for me as well, for people to believe that 'cause, you know, something that's the most personal thing that you would never want anyone to see, and then people thinking you did it on purpose, that was something that really upset me. And then seeing other people come out after and purposely do it, which then people are like, "Oh, well, everyone purposely does." And it's like, no. Like, that is not how I wanted the world to know me. Like, I'm... People don't know I'm actually, like, a very, like, extremely, like, painfully shy person, and I've always been very, like, shy. So, um, yeah, that was something that always upset me. Um, and then seeing other people do it purposely, that was another thing where I was like, "This is..." I don't know. I just think it's sad if people would purposely do something like that.
- 34:14 – 39:11
The Journey Of Healing
- JSJay Shetty
Thank you so much for being so open and vulnerable about it because, yeah, it's just, when, when you talk about it in the documentary too, and it's so interesting how your recovery from this moment is... It's brave, but what you just said now is actually it's me laughing through something that I wasn't ready to confront. And it's interesting because when you look at it, it's a brilliant case study in marketing from a business standpoint of someone leaning into a narrative, but then there's a human healing component that we just forget about wh- that we forget that someone's still having to go through this, someone's still having to heal through this. What was the most important part of your healing journey? Like, when did you confront it, and what helped? Like, what really worked to recover from something this traumatic? And I, I appreciate that you said you haven't fully... You're maybe never fully heal, which is completely fair, but what has helped you even be confident to sit here right now and speak about it with so much composure, which I can't believe is easy?
- PHParis Hilton
It's, it's de- definitely been a journey. Um, you know, the beginning I didn't wanna even speak about it at all because it was just too difficult to talk about and just hum- the most humiliating, you know, thing to go through. Um, but now seeing so many other people who've went through it as well, it, it gives me the strength to be able to talk about it for them as well. And now being a mother with a daughter, it makes me feel extremely protective of her and of other women and girls. Um, for I don't want anyone to ever feel that pain. Um, so I feel like by me talking about it, maybe it will help others-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- PHParis Hilton
... not make that same mistake, to not trust someone in that way. Because unfortunately, you know, it's not... It's very rare to find someone you can trust. Like, I've... I'm so lucky now that I have such an amazing husband who I trust with my life and who would never hurt me and loves me to the moon and back and is obsessed with me.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
Um, but, you know, I don't even think-I would've been, like, ready for this type of love at my point, at this point in my life if I had not healed the way I have.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah, I've been through a lot in my life, and-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- PHParis Hilton
... I'm proud of how strong I am and resilient, and, you know, no matter what happens to me in life, it just makes me stronger every single time, and it's, um... Yeah, I'm really, really proud of who I am today. It's been-
- JSJay Shetty
You should be
- PHParis Hilton
... it's been a lot. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
You definitely should be. I mean, after reading your memoir and speaking to you last time about everything that happened in your teenage years, and now talking about this, I'm like, you, you should definitely be so proud, and I'm, and I'm so happy as well that you've been able to find a partner that respects you and has an amaz- You know, as I said earlier, I love Carter.
- PHParis Hilton
Mm. Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
I think he's, he's awesome. He's just s- such great energy, and he definitely adores you in the most beautiful, special way, and for you both to have that now and to have a beautiful family together, I think it also is inspiring to other people to go, "Wow, you can go through that, and, and by the healing, still be with someone who does that." Do you feel Carter was the first person to truly see and understand you, like, to see you truly?
- PHParis Hilton
It was the first time that I've sh- shown myself truly.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- PHParis Hilton
Like, we started dating in 2019. That was right before the documentary came out, so I had just finished filming it, and, you know, I wasn't even looking for a relationship or anything. I was like, "You know, after what I've been in through in life, I'm just gonna be single forever. Like, I don't need anyone. Like, I can have children on my own. I can support myself." And, um, I just was, had s- I, I had such a wall around my heart that I didn't think I'd ever let anyone in, and, you know, when I met him that day on Thanksgiving in the Hamptons, um, I just, like, saw something, like, in his smile, like, just the way I could see in his eyes, like, he was a kind person, and I'm so happy that I gave him the chance and, like, you know, let down the walls a little bit for my heart, and, um, it's just been life-changing, and to have, like, such a amazing, close relationship with someone. And I think before, I just, I was not ready for that because of what I'd been through in my life, especially with men, that it made me not trust anyone. Um, but I feel like everything happens for a reason, and timing is everything, and I'm so grateful that I did the doc- documentary because it really made it possible for me to now have this amazing family and my beautiful babies and-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- PHParis Hilton
... just this incredible life that I just feel so grateful for every single day.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- 39:11 – 41:05
The Joys Of Motherhood
- JSJay Shetty
We see, we get to see the babies in the documentary-
- PHParis Hilton
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... and the, you know. It's, it's-
- PHParis Hilton
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
... so beautiful seeing you with them, and as a mother, what's been your favorite part about becoming a mother?
- PHParis Hilton
Just everything. Like, I did not know, like, a love like this could exist, and they just bring me so much happiness, and every morning, just seeing their big smiles and just how excited they are, and just seeing all these just, like, special moments and the holidays and the excitement and going to Disneyland, just it feels like being a kid again with them and just... I'm just, like, so obsessed, so in love. They're like my two best friends and-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
... we do everything together and travel the world together, and they're just so smart. They're so sweet, so kind, loving. They're so cute together. They're best friends, and just he's obsessed with her. She looks up to him so much, and it's just so cute just to see their relationship, and they look exactly like me as well.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
So I just, like, look at them, like I'm looking at myself almost, and I just wanna give them the m- most amazing, beautiful, fun life and make them incredible human beings, and just, I don't know, just, like, feel like all of my dreams have come true. Like, everything I thought about as a little girl has come true, and-
- JSJay Shetty
Wow
- PHParis Hilton
... I really believe, like, I, I manifested Carter, the babies, my home, my pets, my, all of my things.
- JSJay Shetty
So you'd say you're happy?
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah. I'm so happy. Like, I used to always make 11:11 wishes, and now every time it's 11:11, I, I look at Carter. I'm like, "I don't even know what to wish for anymore." Like, I've... Like, all my wishes have come true, and I just feel like the luckiest girl in the world.
- JSJay Shetty
I love that.
- 41:05 – 42:57
Lessons From The Paris Playbook
- JSJay Shetty
What's been, uh... With the kids, what's, what's one lesson from the Paris playbook that you want the kids to learn from you?
- PHParis Hilton
I want them to know that kindness is the most important thing. Like, that's something that is so important to me, and just to feel comfortable to be able to tell me anything and always feel safe, just to know that I'll always be there for them, and I'll always support them, and I'll always give them the best advice, and just, I just, I don't know. I want them to always just feel comfortable that they can tell me anything-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- PHParis Hilton
... 'cause I feel like if your kid is too scared to say something to you, then, I don't know, then bad things might happen because they don't feel comfortable to say something to you.
- JSJay Shetty
I totally agree with that. I think all the trouble I got into as a kid was because I didn't feel comfortable telling my parents stuff. Like, I would, I would've avoided so much trouble I got into as a kid. I was a, I was a troublesome kid, and, uh, I was a good person, but I was, I was always just getting involved in the wrong things, and it was all because I couldn't talk to them about anything, and if I tried, it would be shut down, or I'd be told not to do that, whatever it was, and there was just no openness and dialogue, and I love my parents. They're amazing. They, they felt... They were, they were doing it from a good place from what they knew. We have a great relationship, but at the time, now I look back, and I think, "I wish I could've just told my mom about that. I wish I could've told my dad about that, and maybe I wouldn't have..." Because I was scared, and I felt fearful, and that way you end upRelying on yourself, but then you end up making mistakes 'cause you're just a kid.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And so I really like that lesson because it, to me that, that, that's a really standout lesson of just how do you truly make them feel comfortable to tell you everything, and they don't feel judged, and they don't feel-
- PHParis Hilton
Exactly
- JSJay Shetty
... unloved. Um,
- 42:57 – 44:57
Being Misunderstood & Underestimated
- JSJay Shetty
you know, you've had, you've had the media treat you in so many different ways. I wanted to ask you, what was harder, being misunderstood or underestimated?
- PHParis Hilton
Hmm. [sighs] I feel like so much my f- life and career I've been underestimated, and something I love doing is proving people wrong. So I guess I don't mind that as much now because I've really proven them wrong. Um, but yeah, being misunderstood, think people just having, you know, a certain way they think about you, which there's always been so much more to me than what people ever thought, and I'm showing that side of me now, which has been so freeing, um, to be able to show that there's so much more than, you know, the girl that they thought they knew, and that there's so much heart and compassion, and just showing who I truly am and how strong I truly am. I think that's been, um, amazing to show people, like, what I've been through, and now to be able to turn that pain into such a huge purpose and make a difference in so many others' lives through that has been so empowering.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. There's, someone shared a quote with me the other day that said something like, "The person who can see beauty in everything is undefeated." And when I'm sitting with you, I think of you as that, someone who's been able to find a way of turning their pain into purpose in so many different areas of their life. Like, you can't beat someone who does that.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, that's the strongest person you'll ever meet is someone who just can find the meaning, the purpose, the, the beauty, the lesson in everything.
- PHParis Hilton
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
And then that person can rise from, you know, anything that they go through and everything that they go through. And
- 44:57 – 47:11
What Truly Matters Is You
- JSJay Shetty
for me, I wanted to ask you, what, what boundary have you put into your life that you think changed your life? Have you set boundaries that you think changed the trajectory of your life?
- PHParis Hilton
I think for a lot of my life I just cared so much about what other peoples thought of me, and I think an important message to other people as well is it, it doesn't matter what others think of you. What matters most is what you think of yourself, and that has been, like, a powerful message for me to remind myself of. And now I just feel like I'm more myself than ever, and I want others to be able to feel that they can do that, too.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
And the power of being vulnerable 'cause before, you know, I just always grew up thinking, like, oh, like, being strong and being perfect and, like, that is ... you know, it matters. But being real and being authentic and being vulnerable and talking about even the things that hurt or things that are scary to talk about, like, that really just opens the door for others to feel safe to do the same thing, and I think that's been an important thing, an important message of my life.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. As I'm, as I'm sitting here listening to you, I'm almost thinking that, you know, when we're young, you all feel you have to be one version of yourself because you wanna be the cool person or the person who fits in or the person who sets trends, and you almost become this persona of who you think people like. And then as we get older, it's almost like we give ourselves permission every decade to be more of ourselves. Like, I feel so much more of who I am 360 today than I ever did when I was 18 years old, and it would be ridiculous to expect your 18-year-old self to be your most complete self because you haven't even had all the experiences of life yet. And now I look back and I think, "Oh yeah, every decade is just about me becoming more of me-
- PHParis Hilton
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... and giving myself permission to even be the parts of myself that other people would've laughed at before or poked fun at or not been interested in." It's almost like, "No, I like this part of me and I'm, I'm happy to live with it because it's not going anywhere."
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, it's always gonna be here. What's the, uh...
- 47:11 – 49:57
Is It Love Or Just ADHD?
- JSJay Shetty
What's something you used to think was love but now you realize it wasn't?
- PHParis Hilton
I was just watching, uh, on TikTok the other day, there's, like, this girl who's, like, an ADHD kind of influencer, and she was just saying, like, how a lot of us, like, confuse love, but it's actually the ADHD with the hyperfocus. So I feel like so many times that I thought I was in love was just actually my ADHD, where it's like you want-
- JSJay Shetty
Because you want the focus on something.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah. You're just like, you want that, like, we love, like, dopamine, d- dopamine rush or something.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, dopamine rush. Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
So it's kind of just like you think it's love, but it's just actually your... I don't know. But then you get bored right after.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
So I think there was just so many times, like, I thought it was really love, but it was literally just because of the ADHD.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- PHParis Hilton
It, it was a really funny video. I'll send you it.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] Yeah, send it. Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
I'll-
- JSJay Shetty
We'll, we'll put it up right now for the, when people are watching.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
I was just like, "Oh my God. I love this." I sent it to so many of my friends who have ADHD. I was like, "This makes so much sense." Like, so many times I thought I was in love, and it was not at all. This was literally just the ADHD.
- JSJay Shetty
All those poor guys, Paris-
- PHParis Hilton
I know
- JSJay Shetty
... that thought you loved them.
- PHParis Hilton
Sorry, guys. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] That's so funny.
- PHParis Hilton
Um-
- JSJay Shetty
Wow. So y- so because you get hyperfocused, but then you get bored quickly.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah. You, like-
- JSJay Shetty
It's almost like you can get fixated on someone, you're totally head over heels for them, and then tomorrow it's like-
- PHParis Hilton
You could forget they exist.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow. Forget they exist. [laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
Well, yeah, 'cause a lot... Another thing with ADHD is, like, if it's out of sight, it's out of mind. Like, you'll just... People, even objects, anything, like, if it's not there, you just-It's called object permanence. Like, you just don't even realize they exist anymore.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
So sorry, guys.
- 49:57 – 51:54
Routines To Help People With ADHD
- JSJay Shetty
What are some of the rhythms and routines you've had to put into place that help you f- thrive with your ADHD? I mean, we see in the documentary, I mean, you're performing in front of thousands of people. You're rehearsing. You're writing. You're... You know, it's, it's stressful. We see moments of you breaking down as well. Like, what are the routines you've had to set up that have allowed you to thrive at this level for this long?
- PHParis Hilton
A lot of putting systems in place, a lot of, like, having to organize, explaining to people on my team, um-
- JSJay Shetty
What do you have to say to them? Like, what do you say to someone? Your team's wonderful, by the way. They-
- PHParis Hilton
Thank you
- JSJay Shetty
... they're amazing. Like, everyone's got such great energy.
- PHParis Hilton
Thank you so much.
- JSJay Shetty
But, like, what do you have to say to them to explain what, what they're gonna be in for? Because they may not have had that experience before.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah. Just how, uh, just how just, like, certain systems need to be. Like, I just need, like, things, like... It's hard to describe 'cause there's so many things that I do in different areas, like, from, like, the music, the business, all of it, the advocacy work. Um, but it's really just, like, I don't even know how to describe it right now.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
My brain is like going.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
But I'm also lucky that a lot of the people on my team have ADHD as well.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
So-
- JSJay Shetty
So they get it. Yeah
- PHParis Hilton
... they get it as well.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
And, um, you know, we're, we're very creative, but we do need, like, systems, and we need people to understand that. And, um, yeah, I don't even know why I can't describe it right now.
- JSJay Shetty
No, I get it. It's, it's, it-
- PHParis Hilton
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
No, it's, it's like... No, it's... I, I'm intrigued because I think, again, there'll be lots of listeners who might be helped by that. Because I think a lot of people are trying to figure it out and are trying to thrive with ADHD. We're seeing people being diagnosed, and I think as you said, you've become... You're successful. You're reinventing yourself. You do a lot of different things, and you, and you're doing that with ADHD. And so the, yeah, the, my reason for asking was more just so that people could learn some of those tips-
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... and tricks. But the documentary shows a lot of what you're working through, so people can definitely watch that-
- PHParis Hilton
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... figure it out there.
- 51:54 – 53:03
Perfectionism Is A Myth
- JSJay Shetty
Uh, all right. I've got a few last questions I wanna ask you. What did you used to apologize for that you no longer apologize for?
- PHParis Hilton
Mm. Trying to think-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- PHParis Hilton
... what I would apologize for. Mm. I feel like I've been unapologetic.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
Like, I feel like that's how I've-
- JSJay Shetty
Always
- PHParis Hilton
... I've lived my life. Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
That's a good answer.
- PHParis Hilton
But maybe apologizing, like, like, always having to, like, be perfect.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
And now I'm like, you don't always have to be perfect 'cause no one is perfect. And that's what life is about. And you can make a mistake, but you learn from it, and you grow from it.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
So I feel like everything in life happens for a reason. And even if you don't know the reason today, one day you'll find out. So you just have to, like, think about, like, in life that everything is a journey, and it's all just gonna bring you up to the next level of, like, who you are in life.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
So yeah. It can be hard sometimes, but it makes you stronger. I really believe that.
- JSJay Shetty
Paris, we were talking about this before,
- 53:03 – 59:34
The LA Wildfires
- JSJay Shetty
before we started recording. You posted a really, you know, heartbreaking video of losing your home earlier this year, and I had so many friends lose home. I'm sure you had so many friends lose home. It was, it was, you know, it was terrible. And LA's so large that when you're driving through it, you could even not see all of it, and I think a lot of people who are visiting LA would be like, "Where, where were the fires?" And it's like, LA's just huge. There's so many areas that are sadly completely, um, torn down and torn apart. Losing a home feels like one of the deepest grieving that you go through in life. Um, it's your memories, your everything else. Talk to me about what it felt like to even go through that this year, and of course it was such a shock for everyone.
- PHParis Hilton
It was terrifying, you know, just to see just so much devastation. I've grown up in LA my whole life, and just to see so many people lose everything was heartbreaking. And, um, the night after the, the first night of, you know, the wildfires here, my husband and I were with our kids, and we were all just eating breakfast, watching the news.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- PHParis Hilton
And all of a sudden, you know, we see this woman standing in front of this house, and Carter looks, and he's like, "That is our house, the blue door in Malibu." And I looked. I was like, "No, it's not." And then I saw the address, and it was just, like, in the background, just, like, our house just in flames, burnt down to the ground, completely gone, and that's how we found out about it. Um, and just, you know, right away I was just thinking of all of, you know, the memories that I had with my babies there, all of the art that we made together, family heirlooms, just so many, you know-Things that were irreplaceable and just so many memories, you know, all gone. And, um, but then I just started thinking about all of the other, you know, families and mothers and children who had lost everything and that had nowhere to go that night. And I was just completely heartbroken, and I reached out to my team, Rebecca, who's the head of my impact. It's called Eleven Eleven Impact, which is my impact arm of my company. And, um, so like what can I do to help? And immediately went over to Baby to Baby and started helping them with just packing up supplies for families and then went down to Pasadena Humane Society and fostered a dog and started filming all the pets there that had been, you know, lost in the fires, and they didn't have collars. So just reuniting them with their families and posting them up so that people would know about them and making donations to them as well, and then called up Hilton. I'm like, "What else can we do?" Like, we need rooms for these people. They have nowhere to, you know, nowhere to live now. So put a bunch of families up in homes and then started, um, a whole, um, thing online. We raised like one and a half million dollars within two days, and then partnered with GoFundMe and then raised even more money and then gave fifty small owned, um, businesses, women businesses that lost their businesses in the fire all, uh, big grants and to rebuild. And then went out and been visiting in Altadena and just helped, um, with the Altadena Gi- Girls and built, like, this living lounge where it's, like, this whole place where all these girls can go and hang out, and it's, like, really pink and beautiful-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
... and so fun. And they-- we just, um, they just had an opening of with, like, two weeks ago, and the girls were all there. So it's just so amazing just to see how much happiness it brought them. So even though, you know, losing our home, I immediately just started thinking about everyone else who'd been affected by it and seeing what I could do to make a difference. And, um, you know, s- it's-- people are still rebuilding, you know, even though the media is not talking about it anymore because the news cycles move so fast. Um, people are still, you know, trying to rebuild their lives, and we are still actively working with them to help that happen. Um, so it's been traumatizing, but also just seeing all the communities come together and so many people supporting each other I thought was such a beautiful thing to see.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, I, I thought it was incredible to see the resilience of LA. I think LA gets such a bad rap sometimes for being weak or soft or being, you know, too whatever and-
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... everyone was out on the streets helping each other. There was just so much community, and there was so much camaraderie, and everyone showed up, and it was all the examples that you were beautifully involved in and just so mu- just I, I really felt alive here. Like, it, it felt that everyone was trying so hard to help each other.
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And it was so beautiful to see the city come together, even though it was, you know, extremely tragic and traumatic for everyone who went through it. The fact that people showed up and served in everyone else's time of need, uh, it was so needed, and, and I couldn't, couldn't agree with you more. The work continues. It's not solved, and it's not over and, and it keeps going. Paris, you've been amazing today as always. Uh, I love talking to you. I learn so much from you. I was getting to know you at the time, and when I read your memoir, it transformed everything I understood about you. And when I saw this documentary, and even today after talking to you about it, I feel the same way, that I don't know how you did it, and I don't know how it felt, but I do know that it's extremely inspiring and is gonna give a lot of courage to a lot of people, and I really hope that it saves a lot of people from some pain. And I'm grateful that someone like you is able to put their story out there in a way to uplift and empower others and own their narrative and reclaim it. It's, it's, uh, beyond needed, and I hope so many young men and women, uh, watch the documentary, read your memoir, and recognize that their lowest point doesn't have to be a continuation of their life, and that they can transform it and turn it into something beautiful. And I wanna end with asking you, we had to redo this because it's your second time. We're doing a
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Paris Hilton on Final Five
- JSJay Shetty
quick-fire round with you of some fun and some profound questions. Uh, so these are your fun questions, uh, Paris Hilton. So what trend from the early 2000s do you wish the world would bring back?
- PHParis Hilton
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
And what trend should stay buried forever?
- PHParis Hilton
I love seeing just so many people inspired by all of the trends that I created back in the 2000s, just seeing just, like, all of the, you know, things that are blinged out, all the slogan tees, just the, the Motorola Razr-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
... flip phones, um, just all of the different styles of outfits. Like, the fashion was just so much fun back then.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
The one thing I don't like is Ed Hardy, which I've noticed some people are wearing again.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- PHParis Hilton
I can't with it. [laughs] I'm just not into it.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] I love that. Great answer. W- we all wore Ed Hardy because of you, so-
- PHParis Hilton
Yeah, I know. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
... I'm just gonna put that out there. I'm glad, I'm glad we didn't have that many pictures taken of us back then, but yeah.
- PHParis Hilton
I did. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Yeah, I know you did, but that's why we all did it. So I'm glad there's no pictures of me in Ed Hardy.
- PHParis Hilton
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
That's what I'm saying. What's one headline from that decade that shocks you because it was so far from the truth?
- PHParis Hilton
There was a story that said I was dating Michael Jackson, which I was-- I've grown up with him my whole life. My mom and him were best friends since they were thirteen.So he was like family to me. So when I heard that rumor, I was like, "You guys will literally make up anything."
- JSJay Shetty
That is bizarre.
- PHParis Hilton
It's just ridiculous. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
That is bizarre.
- PHParis Hilton
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
Okay. All right. Uh, when you said, "That's hot," for the first time, did you realize what you'd created?
- PHParis Hilton
I was, like, seven years old.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] Really?
- PHParis Hilton
My si- my sister would always say it with me. Like, it was something... She actually said it first, and then I was like, "I love that." So I started saying it a lot. And then, um, when I got The Simple Life, then I had it trademarked, so I actually own "That's hot." But back then, I would have never have known it would turn into such a pop culture thing. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
Absolutely. Infinitely iconic.
- PHParis Hilton
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Absolutely. Infinite Icon. Uh, okay. If you and Nicole did The Simple Life today, what job would you wanna try first?
- PHParis Hilton
Mm. Well, we did, for Peacock, the anniversary special, which was so much fun, and we went back to Arkansas and went and visited the family we stayed with and all the people we worked for. It was so much fun. Um, but if we had to do something again, I think it would be fun to be, like, nursery school teachers.
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