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50 min read · 9,824 words- 0:00 – 1:20
Intro
- WHWim Hof
What if we could control the deep autonomic nervous system, the immune system? Inflammation is the cause and effect of actually every disease. I'm into healing, into bringing down inflammation, and that is what I give to people within a hour. So better control over the immune system, better control over the central nervous system, and you learn to clean the biochemical residue, which is the result of our daily life, hectic modern life. The number one health and wellness podcast. Jay Shetty.
- SPSpeaker
Jay Shetty.
- WHWim Hof
The one, the only Jay Shetty. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
Why do you believe so deeply in the, in your work and the impact that it's making that's allowed you to dedicate your whole life to it?
- WHWim Hof
I think it was my mother at my birth who invocated, is a naive, God-fearing mother s- and yet in fear that this baby was going to die. It was the second baby. And, uh, nobody knew there was a second one. I was too deep in, so I was too long and, and almost suffocated. I came, uh, through her fear and pushing and invocating, "Oh, God, let this child live. I will make him a missionary." So
- 1:20 – 5:44
Dedicating a Life to Wellness
- WHWim Hof
I don't think it is my drive, but it is invocated by my mother. A naive mother, yet God-fearing, i- is a formula, is a powerful formula that is impregnated, it's tattooed on my soul while I was nothing more than a purple little nothing coming out, uh, uh, defenseless. And yet there, her invocation came right into me. And how that all works, it works. 'Cause I've been talking to her. And when I was 12, I told my friends, "If the world thinks..." That's the way it begins to reveal itself, eh? 12 years, you start thinking about what is life. If the world think that, uh, hunger, uh, abuse, pollution, disease, darkness, depression is normal, then I think it is sick, and I'm going to do something about it. And what, I do not know. I just do it. That is where it came from. And since then, it starts, and every moment is a drop. After 40, 50 years, the dr- all those drops have become a tsunami, a way through the thick wall of ignorance. 'Cause I think it is all b- all sickness, disease, darkness, depression, uh, wars, pollution, et cetera, is just based in ignorance. So I have come up with a way, looking in nature, not in, uh, books, uh, something that works, that makes, that overrides my mind of all, uh, that has been filled up with. And then, uh, the cold water came in. And from the cold water, you learn to breathe different. And with that deep breathing, you go past the conditioning, and then you see all what has been written for real, here, now. And then because it is so close, uh, it's so direct, I had no need for looking in esoteric, uh, books anymore, traditions, languages, religions, anything like that. No, God was so suddenly here and now. This is it, was the first time my feeling when I went into the cold water, and I've been doing it since ever. And you know what? It was my mother's invocation. She was God-fearing, Catholic and all. And right now, the priests of the Catholic Church itself, the doctors, the theologists, they are coming, and they are in- uh, integrating the Wim Hof Method in the deep religious esoteric disciplines of the church, which is e- equals mysticism of Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism. It's all the same layer, and that layer now is been hit and recognized by the best in the Catholic Church, the most learned of men. And if they are able to recognize that, then I say I am not into, uh, abstracting, uh, knowledge on philosophies and esoteric disciplines, making it all so difficult. Make God... Where is he? Where is he? If we go a- and it is recognized by the best of them to be a h- a highly esoteric discipline, then now the discipline is there for everybody, accessible in a half hour. That means God is back.
- JSJay Shetty
For someone who has no idea what the Wim Hof Method is, how would you break it down for them and introduce them to it?
- WHWim Hof
It is simple. It is scientifically endorsed, and I'm, uh, inviting all the time. I got big studies, uh, done recently. They are into publishing. And it, uh, all shows the effectivity to go past our normal, uh, control, willful control within our bodies. What if we could, uh, control emotion? What if we could control the deep autonomic nervous system, the immune system? Those, uh, matters are now present
- 5:44 – 12:12
The Benefits of the Wim Hof Method Explained
- WHWim Hof
and shown in science that we are able to control that. So, uh, that is based through very simple techniques.
- JSJay Shetty
And what would change if we could control those? Before we know the techniques, if we could control those systems, what does that mean for humans? What are the benefits?
- WHWim Hof
There are, uh, s- multiple benefits, from inflammation. Inflammation is the cause and effect of actually every disease. And we showed that people injected with a bacteria could, uh, withstand the influence of the bacteria on the immune system. Thus, the inflammation which normally happens, uh, within that controlled experiment, this time it doesn't happen.So people bring down the cause and effect of disease, which is inflammation, and we show that in science. Now we see where we are in the world with the COVID. Uh, uh, when, you know, there was COVID, we had to talks and, uh, medicines and pills. It's all money. Money, money, money, money. So I'm into healing, into bringing down inflammation. That, that is what I give to people within a hour. The, the techniques come within an hour. Before they thought, uh, uh, "Wim, how much time does it take for people to learn what you can do, bringing down the inflammation after an injection of a bacteria? Does it take a year? One and a half year?" I said, "10 days," and then it became four days, and now is a half, half-hour. So better control over the immune system. Better control over the central nervous system, which includes our emotions. So our emotions become much more pacified by, uh, doing this. And you learn to clean the biochemical residue which is the result of our daily life, hectic daily li- modern life. So, uh, we bring, uh, our emotion... uh, learn to regulate our emotions. We get a lot more energy because of the cardiovascular fitness, uh, workout, a cold shower. It's so easy also. It's remarkable. There was j- just last week I was in Poland with 500 people in the mountains, and there was one guy saying, "Oh, Wim, I'm doing the cold and I'm doing this, uh, but my, uh, results get lower." So I, I say, "Co- come forward. Come here on stage. So how ma- many pushups can you do?" And he said, uh, 15. Now, breathe this way for 30 times. Fully in, let it go. Fully in, and be with your mind in one thing. You give the best you got. That's, uh, that's all. Follow your breath. Fully in, fully and-
- JSJay Shetty
30 times?
- WHWim Hof
30 times. Last time, he fully in, let it go. On empty lungs, he did 40 pushups. You see, the breath is power if you know how to manipulate the nervous system. Then you are able to generate a much greater power.
- JSJay Shetty
And you're breathing in through your nose and out-
- WHWim Hof
Yeah, that does, does not so matter so much
- JSJay Shetty
It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter whether you breathe out through your mouth or out through your nose?
- WHWim Hof
Yeah, it matters a little.
- JSJay Shetty
Okay.
- WHWim Hof
They say the nitrogen and, uh, through the nose and, uh, but, uh, uh, if you do it such a, a short period of time, you go just into the depth of the whole body. You cleanse the body of its biochemical residue, which is caused by stress of daily life.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- WHWim Hof
And therefore, just breathe. Don't think about nasal breathing. You know, Surya Beda Tattva and, uh, uh, Chandra Beda Tattva and Qu- uh, Kumbhakas and, uh, all that. No, don't be te- no difficulties. If you, uh, if you, we go back to Patanjali, Patanjali says in the beginning, "Atha yoga anushasanam yoga chitta vritti nirodhaha tada drashtuh svarupe vasanam." Or, "The yoga is the silencing of the modifications of the thinking brain. Then the seer appears." That unconditional power, that is where I am aiming at. I just want to go through the conditioned mind and body, and we are doing the studies with the psychiatrists, neuroscientists, immunologists, and it shows that we go where in science was, uh, stated, "This is not possible for humans," et cetera. And now it is. And that's my aim. Within a half-hour, I want people to feel their real power.
- JSJay Shetty
So the first step is 30 breaths, full breaths in and out.
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
And do you recommend this, doing this first thing in the morning, or is there a certain-
- WHWim Hof
On empty stoma- uh, uh, empty stomach is, of course, the be- uh, the best. Where you take shower, take also a cold shower. And, and try it out once that, uh, your push... How many pushups can you do? If you, uh, look to this podcast and you do only this biohacking great trick 30 times, fully in, relax on a ch- a chair, or you sit on the ground, and, uh, you, you know how many pushups you can do. You wanna see how you can influence the neuromuscular, uh, mechanisms in the body, uh, for power? Well, just use your breath. It's so simple.
- JSJay Shetty
It's really interesting because if you look at boxers, they all know the value of breath.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
If you look at athletes, they all know the value of the breath. If you look at musicians who play wind instruments, they know the value of the breath. If you look at singers, they know the value of the breath. So this is something that we've known, but for some reason we haven't applied it to normal life. Because we all are athletes in our own way-
- WHWim Hof
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... in an everyday life, and I think we've lost connection with that. I remember when the first day I went to join the monastery in India, I saw a young monk teaching younger monks. And I went up to that young monk, he was like 10 or 11 years old, and
- 12:12 – 14:26
Unlocking the Untapped Power of Breath
- JSJay Shetty
I said, "What did you teach them?" And he said, "It's their first day of school." And I said, "Oh, well, what did you teach them?" And he said, "What did you learn on your first day of school?" And I said, "Maybe ABC, one, two, three. I can't remember."
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And he said, "Well, I just taught them how to breathe."
- WHWim Hof
Ah.
- JSJay Shetty
And I said, "What do you mean you taught them how to breathe?"
- WHWim Hof
Oh, but this is important, Jay. Here in America with the shootings in the school-To simplify, a monkey, uh, has difficulties learning how to swim, and a fish has difficulties learning how to climb. Our minds in every person is different. Some fit into the system, and some don't. They get a conflict with their identity. And so much, uh, when the stress comes in and they still have to perform and, uh, give results and, uh, cognitively get... keep on, and they feel, uh, not good c-compared to others and all, that, uh, m-might, uh, jeopardize the identity. And that goes, in many cases, uh, to, uh, where they lose it. Then they shoot their father, their mother, their siblings, and then the people, because they a-are completely lost. We should bring regulation of emotions done by breathing. As you say, he was f- uh, totally right, this man. That was probably the best lesson you got. The inquisitive nature always brings about-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- WHWim Hof
... answers.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, absolutely. And, and he was saying the same thing as you're saying. He said that your breath is the only thing that stays with you from the moment you're born to the moment you die. He said, "You'll change your country, you'll change your family, you'll change your friends. Like, things change, but your breath is always with you." And he said, "What changes when you're happy? Your breath. What changes when you're sad? Your breath. What changes when you're angry? Your breath." And so he said to me, "If you learn to manage your breath, you'll be able to manage any emotion in life," exactly like what you're saying.
- WHWim Hof
Yes. I'm here to show scientifically that autonomy is ours, that we have a control far deeper than in science
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Gaining Full Control Over Your Mind and Body
- WHWim Hof
was, uh, thought possible. But now it's here. We're not only here to drink a glass of water. We are here to drink the full cup of life. If you don't go to the cold, the cold will come to you, and then you don't like it. So too much disease, too much anxiety, too much depression, too much darkness all is happening. Too much stress, it's all happening. We know this, and we found a way to deal with it. We found the key.
- JSJay Shetty
So you have these three pillars, breathing exercises-
- WHWim Hof
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... commitment, and then you have the cold.
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
What is commitment? What do you mean by that?
- WHWim Hof
With commitment, uh, just do it. Do it.
- JSJay Shetty
Just do it regardless of-
- WHWim Hof
And, and stay in that discipline. Uh, in the end, uh, if you go into an ice bath, you learn to control your thoughts because you learn to shut up. I-if you want it, yes or no, you learn to surrender. Let the body do what the body is capable of. Once you get that, you get a control. Like in the beginning, you said intention. Intention is interoception, and now we found in Detroit top-down regulated interoception, which is interoceptive focus, and that is the will able to enter into the body and to readjust what needs to be, uh, what is out of balance, to reconnect with the body. That is what the cold learns, to shut up and to connect with the body. Let the body do what the body is capable. And then you become aware that you suddenly willfully are able to control, to make stronger your body without moving, and that is top yoga, like dharana, dhyana, samadhi. Those things are now here. And we have seen that it, uh, activates the corona radiata. And the corona radiata, the nerve endings, uh, in the human, uh, brain, which is the crown chakra. The crown, uh, endings, the corona radiata, the radiant crown, it now is, uh, able to be activated by us because we learn to surrender. That means we learn to let go. And then we are able to full bloom activate our brain, uh, capacity, like 100% willfully. That's where we are. In India, in, in Bangalore, I, um, I'm going to receive this prize, award for excellence in yoga. But what is excellence in yoga? Yoga means connecting. That's what I bring about, and make it simple. Breathing is so much more important than we can cover within this hour, yeah, within this podcast. Just try it out once. Embrace the full power, pass your conditioned mind and body through breathing. And we have simplified these techniques now and made it so accessible that the esoteric disciplines of all the religions, they come knocking at our door. They say, "This is highly esoteric. This is, uh, mystical." And this is here, uh, waiting for any person because God or what is mystical should be there for everybody-
- JSJay Shetty
Absolutely
- WHWim Hof
... every time-
- 17:58 – 22:23
Cleansing the Body Through Proper Breathing
- JSJay Shetty
Absolutely
- WHWim Hof
... all the time.
- JSJay Shetty
So you recommend that if ideally people do this on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, it's gonna allow them to have more clarity. It's gonna-
- WHWim Hof
Oh, yes
- JSJay Shetty
... allow them to have more energy. It's gonna allow them to focus better.
- WHWim Hof
Yes. It, it cleanses completely the lymphatic s- uh, system. Uh, all our daily habits, uh, activities result in stress, uh, biochemical residue. It accumulates in our bodies, and if we don't clean it, then it obstructs our quality of life.
- JSJay Shetty
How does breathing clean it?
- WHWim Hof
If we do these breathing sessions, uh, within four rounds, you will be able to get into the, the deepest of all systems, to the deepest, to the bone marrow.To the deepest of your brain and learn to connect, uh, willfully. How does it work? If we do this breathing, we blow off the carbon dioxide, and then the alkalinity in the blood goes way up. Uh, when it goes way up, you can exhale and be without the need to breathe because breathing is because you become acidic. Now, the acid is out of the body, and you are very alkaline, so you are, are able to stay one and a half minute, two minutes without breathing after exhalation. Now, what happens in the brainstem, the reptilian, the crocodile brain, it says, "You are not breathing. This is dangerous." It doesn't look to pH levels in the blood. Is it alkaline or no? It looks to oxygen, and oxygen is completely depleted, and when that happens, then the brainstem, which is connected to the adrenal axis, that is the third eye, pituitary gland, hypothalamus, and the adrenal glands. Then it activates the adrenal axis just to spike once in the body with twice as much adrenaline than a person who goes for the first time into a bungee jump in fear.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- WHWim Hof
They, they, they have measured the blood of the, uh, people going into a bungee jump with fear for vertigo. They took their blood, and, uh, they took the blood of the people doing this breathing technique. And then they saw twice as much adrenal spike in the blood, uh, for people doing this breathing technique. Now, what happens with that double dose of adrenaline, it goes, uh, like hormones into the spinal fluid, and this is where we manipulate. This is breathing te- techniques, uh, manipulation of the, the ki, the chi, the prana, the prana. There's 10 kinds, but, hey, prana. We call it prana. So, uh, we get it sublimed. But we, uh, we make it simple. We say fully in 30 times the breathing and then exhale and stop, and you don't feel the need to breathe. Now, after one and a half minute, uh, what happens if you don't breathe, five times more blood g- flows into the brain. Five times more blood flows into the heart. Nobody knew until they did, uh, cardio, uh, films, uh, on this, and they say this is the future, this diagnostic, uh, uh, cardiology. Uh, this is for the future, breathing techniques. Uh, because it flushes like a battery the heart if it functions to less, and that's terrible. If you've got a heart that is not strong enough, you can make it stronger just through doing this. And five times more fluid into the brain is flushing it. And now because there's twice as much adrenaline, uh, hormonally in it, it cleanses everything.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- WHWim Hof
Anything that should not be there, that is inflammatory markers, but also PFAS, also microplastics, also mRNA techniques, uh, uh, technology, uh, w- whatever the shit is, and radio waves, biochemical residue therefrom. All that has influence, and we don't know how to clean it. Through doing this,
- 22:23 – 24:10
The Science-Backed Truth About Anxiety
- WHWim Hof
you just clean it.
- JSJay Shetty
It's such an interesting prospect that we've been given the technology in how we've been created in order to cleanse, to survive, to live, to heal.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
But obviously, you know today so many people are struggling with anxiety.
- WHWim Hof
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
And a lot of people listening today, people may have anxiety about meeting new people. People have anxiety about their work. People have anxiety about relationships. There's so much anxiety in the world. How can this help someone who's struggling with anxiety?
- WHWim Hof
Oh.
- JSJay Shetty
Is there a different be- breathing practice, or is it the same one?
- WHWim Hof
Exactly the same one. That, uh, the simplicity is the power. So just try it out. You will c- be able to cleanse that what obstructs you, the quality of your life under performance. When you need to perform, it really could be a relationship, could be s- having a new job interview, could be a presentation on stage, uh, whatever is important to you, there you want to feel more than normal in a fu- functional power. That one needs cleaning, and this one does it. This takes it away 'cause your body knows exactly what you are up against. But it, it, it is saying, "Hey, you are anxious because you cannot, uh, function the way you actually want because you're, uh, there's shit inside, and we need to get it out." And, uh, that's what it is saying. So anxiety actually is a neural signal saying to me, "Hey, clean up before you go up." And, and you will see that these simple breathing techniques will lead to suddenly, oh, it's easy on stage. All these, uh, the aha alertness
- 24:10 – 25:53
Can Breathing Right Strengthen Immunity?
- WHWim Hof
comes by itself.
- JSJay Shetty
Is it true that this can also help us get less sick-
- WHWim Hof
Oh
- JSJay Shetty
... less often?
- WHWim Hof
Absolutely. It has been shown in a scientific comparative study. People i- injected with the bacteria causing inflammation. That means fever, uh, headaches, uh, vomiting, nausea, muscle aches, backaches, uh, but really three to six hours. This is a controlled experiment. 16,000 became very sick, and s- the 12 I trained, not sick. And we already showed this in 2014.Bacteria, E. coli, virus, it's all the same. We have, like you said, we got the mechanisms, but we don't make use of our inner nature anymore to take down what should not be in there, like sickness, like anxiety, depression, inflammation or, or of any kind. And it is preventative as well. The thing is, i- if you do this in the morning preemptively, then you, your day, you are able to accumulate a lot of stress without feeling that you are, cannot deal with it.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah.
- WHWim Hof
Because you're clean.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Right. It's almost like we could actually deal with more stress than we believe-
- WHWim Hof
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... if we were able to be in a state.
- WHWim Hof
And there you come into this emotional, spiritual state to take on challenges.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- WHWim Hof
Because you feel suddenly, ah, I can... You don't feel that awkward anxiety, fear. You don't feel it anymore, and that makes you able to go
- 25:53 – 28:21
How Discomfort Training Builds Stress Resilience
- WHWim Hof
into the challenges of life.
- JSJay Shetty
You're saying something really important here, but I think the challenge that people have is we've become seekers of an even more comfortable life. If you look at everything we're creating around us, it's so we can be more comfortable, be more safe, and I mean even physically comfortable, and we don't wanna do something too challenging. We don't wanna do something that's uncomfortable. We don't seek discomfort. So how do we encourage people to transform our mind to realize that discomfort is what creates goodness in life?
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And comfort is what creates more problems later down the line.
- WHWim Hof
Exactly that. So comfort is a false feeling. It is, uh, in the long term, it's really, uh, getting to you, and it will cause psychosomatic disturbances in the body. It will heap up, accumulate. Uh, the body needs cleaning, and for that we need to go into a certain kind of stress. Uh, if we stress our bodies up consciously, we learn to connect with the stress mechanisms in the, uh, brain and body. And with that, uh, the stress in daily life, because if you're, uh, escaping into comfort behavior will not make you strong for the, the shit that is going to happen anyway. So better be ready before it. And we provide with these simple techniques not only the, uh, the ability to tackle stress in life effectively, but also directly. When you did it, when you take a cold shower, you feel good.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, for sure.
- WHWim Hof
We- you give a little, you get so much more back.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
And for people who are not motivated to do this, don't wait until the shit comes to you. You go to the shit. I say always, "Uh, if you don't go to the cold, the cold will come to you," and then you don't like it. So too much disease, too much anxiety, too much depression, too much darkness all is happening. Too much stress, it's all happening. We know this, and we found a way to deal with it. We found a key, and we just want to hand over, out of love and respect to
- 28:21 – 31:36
Training the Body to Embrace Cold Plunges
- WHWim Hof
the person, this key.
- JSJay Shetty
When I first started, I think... I mean, I sta- I took cold showers when I was in the monastery. It was very normal, but the first time I did a cold plunge was probably around four, five years ago as well.
- WHWim Hof
Uh-huh.
- JSJay Shetty
And I can honestly say that as someone who has tried to get massages to, like, feel relaxed and de-stressed, and they probably get me to, like, a 70, 80%, but sitting in the cold and doing the contrast therapy of maybe 10 to 15 minutes in a sauna and maybe three to five minutes in the cold and then doing it three times over, I have never felt that level of relaxation or slept better-
- WHWim Hof
Mm
- JSJay Shetty
... than when I've done the cold, whether it's in the morning or the evening that day. The whole body just feels loose in a way that I've never felt. You'd assume it feels tight. Like, you think when you get in the cold that your body's just gonna, like, hold on, but it doesn't. It does the opposite.
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
And when you get out, you almost feel so much looser, calmer, less stressed, but that's not what the mind thinks. The mind thinks it's probably gonna be really ha- it is, it is challenging in the beginning, for sure. The first time I did it, I was in there for four minutes because I was doing it with a friend, and we were trying to encourage each other. But for someone who gets in there and just wants to get out in the first 10 seconds-
- WHWim Hof
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... how did they get more comfortable with that discomfort? What should they do if they're in there for 10 seconds, and they're like, "I need to get out"? Like, how do you get over that hunch?
- WHWim Hof
Just know that this really will bring about a much greater, uh, control over stress in your daily life. You only have to go through this, say, a minute. Once you are a minute in, and anybody can do it. Last weekend, I had people of 80 years who never had been in an ice bath. They went in for 10 minutes. 10 minutes, and they loved it. I mean, uh, young people should not be in the mind, uh, thinking. Learn to be in the body, and then know that you are able to enter into the body, into the depth, and that will be yours. For 10 seconds, yes, that is your reaction of a body that never has been in, uh, the cold, but you are very able. Let me be very clear about it. You, as a young person, uh, I'm talking to the, a person who's watching this, uh, you are very capable of staying, uh, one minute, and y- what happens then? Your body is adapted. What that means is that your inner power is on, and it's connecting to your will.And with that, you learn to take on stress of daily life, which you don't need to escape of anymore. You are able to confront yourself with difficult situations in all the other areas. So that little bit of, uh, cold you're gonna endure is gonna give you so much more back.
- JSJay Shetty
It's funny how the mind, when you're not... When you're in it and you finish it, you have a great experience, and then the mind's like, "Oh, I don't wanna do it again. It's really hard." Like, whatever,
- 31:36 – 33:42
The Origin Story of the Wim Hof Method
- JSJay Shetty
and then you have to keep reminding yourself. And I've, I've learned over time that things that are good for you feel good after, and things that are bad for you feel good before.
- WHWim Hof
Ah. Oh.
- JSJay Shetty
Right? Anything that's bad for you feels good before. You wanna eat badly, you wanna drink badly-
- WHWim Hof
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... you wanna do anything, it feels amazing before.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And then afterwards, it's like poison.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
It's like pain.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
But anything that's good for you, before you do it, you're stressed, you're nervous. But then after you do it, you feel the benefits, and you have to keep reminding yourself of that value because it's so easy to lose. Wim, how did you even discover the power of breathwork and the power of cold? How did you even come to this for yourself?
- WHWim Hof
Yes. I, I, I was a young kid and, uh, very much in the head.
- JSJay Shetty
What were you worried about as a young kid? Because I feel like now we-
- WHWim Hof
About life.
- JSJay Shetty
What were you worried... I'm intrigued because I think-
- WHWim Hof
My career, my this, my that, what I'm gonna do.
- JSJay Shetty
Same stuff.
- WHWim Hof
Right, yeah. Yeah, the same stuff as anybody. So I, I read a b- uh, uh, a lot and I was, uh, philosophizing a lot, debate. I wa- running in my head. Crazy. And then, uh, one day, I found this irrational attraction intuitively to go into cold water, and, uh, when I did that, the, this circling, this roo-
- JSJay Shetty
It came from within
- WHWim Hof
... ruminating, yes, uh, uh, stopped right there. It's, uh, the, "This is it." I was looking i- in philosophies and, uh, religions that, uh, what is it? What is love? But, um, it's in you. It's there. It's alive. It's past thinking, and it's here now, and the cold has opened that up to me past my conditioning. Whatever I had learned, uh, uh, those are patterns. They keep you, uh, running in the same conditioning and can be very stubborn. But the cold was there, and it went just straight through, by which I started. I never stopped it. Yeah, uh,
- 33:42 – 40:00
Finding Mental Clarity Through Cold Exposure
- WHWim Hof
when I was 17.
- JSJay Shetty
So for you, it was almost the cold became the pathway to enlightenment to yourself.
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
That that was the pathway, because it just stopped the chatter. You can't hear the noise because the noise becomes... Well, initially the noise becomes, "Oh, God, it's so cold." Then what happens? Walk us through what that journey was.
- WHWim Hof
Uh, I think I was ready to take on that challenge within me to get rid of the chatter. What, what is that what br- makes me connect instead of chattering? I can say, uh, "Oh, I meditate, and I do this, and I do yogic, uh, postures, and I'm, uh, very good at it all and philosophy." That one I was looking for. I found it, and right now, right now, it shows in a big study we did. It's submitted at Nature. It's a big, uh, uh, uh, scientific paper with 500 people, and it says, uh, they compared it to meditation and mindfulness. So that the stress resi- uh, stress tools, mindfulness and, and meditation, stress tools in the corporate world. So we took people out of the corporate world, from the corporate world with a lot of stress, and we took them, and we went through and doing this cold practice and the breathing. And it shows that it is able to make this, uh, ruminating through the stress of daily life and having to perform and compete, uh, constantly very high up, uh, the, the PricewaterhouseCoopers people. They are not into yoga or into, uh, gala, what- what- whatever exercise. They, uh, they need to perform with numbers, accountancy, and, uh, it's very strenuous and arduous and, and all that. They did this, and they compared thus the meditation and the mindfulness with this, and it showed that this is generating much more stress resilience, much higher, uh, cognitive awareness, and less stress experience, and beyond all, much more trust in each other.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- WHWim Hof
Interoception. Interoceptive being. They just had these feelings, and they expressed it. 500 people. What I want to say with that, this running, uh, which I had, a lot of people have. And it is not just, uh, thinking. It is, uh, related to the in- uh, central nervous system, and the stress accumulates in biochemistry that is wrong, by which we have no control over it, and that is anxiety. And now we have the ability to make it go away. The cold did it for me. Then I started to do the breathing 'cause I found out in the cold, uh, if I do, uh, slower breathing deeply, I'm able to stay longer in icy water.
- JSJay Shetty
Yes. Yes.
- WHWim Hof
And, uh, the, those were the findings. This is, uh, uh, almost 50 years ago. And now, uh, and then I started to cultivate, hey, if that happens in the water, what the, uh, happens when I do it out of the water at home? And I did it, and then I saw, oh, the chakras, oh, all what I have been reading. For the first time, I saw it all. But that's not the goal.The goal is the soul. Goal is God's providence, uh, to be direct here past the chatterbox at how to surrender, how to let go, how to, uh, uh, not think but be. And there, there you, uh, uh, automatically, naturally from there, you come into your purpose.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
And, and this, this podcast is on purpose, the purpose of life itself. Everybody is different, but everybody has a purpose from the heart, not thinking. From the mi- the, uh, the, the heart is able to give confidence and trust a- a- and that power that goes and takes on the, the challenges of life because the soul is, uh, i- indestructible, and there is no fear, not even for death, because you are doing exactly why you are here for, and you feel it 'cause God is at your side, is here. And that made me, uh, first break through with the cold, then the breathing, and then I learned to control, which I sh- showed in Sydney lately in a brain scan. Nine and a half thousand brain scans showed more or less the bandwidth of what the brain activity is in humans. I did, uh, nothing in the brain scan, and I was within the, uh, bandwidth of the brain activity of these people. And then I, uh, did my, what you did in the beginning, intention. I went out for half hour, did some breathing exercises, but very strong intention, and let it be. Your body knows when you talk to it. That's a pure inter- interoception, and you know how to move it if you just have that faith, that power, that interoception. And that's what I did, and then I went back in to the same brain scan, and then the professor saw what he never had seen before, such a activity of the subcortical higher functioning of the brain. That is confidence, fantasy, creativity, uh, trust, uh, empathy, all those areas now willfully completely activated. He saw this, and this, uh, uh, people say, "Eh, but you are The Iceman. You can do th-" No, no, no, no, no. No excuse. I only show what we all can do. And, and then p- places like here, a podcast, a platform which you make, made available, which is great work, thank you-
- JSJay Shetty
Thank you
- WHWim Hof
... for the whole wide world. They say, uh, "Make America healthy." I say, "Let's make the whole wide world healthy," and it happens through these things.
- JSJay Shetty
Absolutely.
- 40:00 – 44:22
Simple Steps to Take Charge of Your Life
- WHWim Hof
Faith.
- JSJay Shetty
Something you said just really stood out to me in a way that it hasn't before, and you just said that when we talk to our body, it hears us.
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
And I was just thinking in a really simple way, when I think to myself, "Oh, I'm gonna take a glass of water," that is my, me talking to my body-
- WHWim Hof
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... and my body just did that.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And then I'm like, "Oh yeah, I'm gonna drink some water," and then I drink. And it's like I am talking to my body even in the simplest of tasks that I do every day. Because when we hear, "Oh, you can talk to your body and it hears," you think it's some mystical thing.
- WHWim Hof
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
But the truth is we're all doing it right now. Like even me-
- WHWim Hof
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... lifting my hand, I'm first thinking it, and I'm talking to myself. Like, I'm about to lift my hand. I'm gonna shake Wim's hand. I'm gonna meet him. I'm gonna greet him. It's, I'm already doing that. But then we forget that we can also code our mind and our body with emotion, with intention, with feelings, with states.
- WHWim Hof
With a purpose of life.
- JSJay Shetty
With a purpose, yeah.
- WHWim Hof
And getting there and make the impossible happening past our conditioned mind and body. That now is on the threshold where, uh, I'm working with these universities and showing, for examples, 26 people, emotional distress. They cannot get out of it. Uh, they got PTSD, people, uh, dying within, uh, their family, divorces, and they are really victims in that. I mean, they cannot get out of these loops. It keeps a- anxiety, pure anxiety. It's very, uh, tiring. They are exhausted. They went into this study. It took only one afternoon to break those patterns.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- WHWim Hof
And that's the way... And you know what happens there? Uh, the next thing is that they got the feeling that they got the steering wheel. Their confidence suddenly is there, and suddenly they feel, uh, their, uh, purpose of life, that they can take on the challenges. 26 people. We just did the study scientifically and all. That shows that we're not only here to drink a glass of water. We are here to drink the full cup of life-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- WHWim Hof
... and to pass it on to our kids, fully, uh, uh, in confidence and trust and in love and beauty and power and energy and flow, make a paradise. Yeah, I- I'm here to show scientifically that autonomy is ours, that we have a control far deeper than in science was, uh, thought possible, but now it's here. And through the pharmaceutical industry and the whole industry and the governments, they are quite ignorant, let me tell you that. So we need to stand up like podcasts, uh, like this. We, we need to become autonomous, not believe in governments, but govern ourselves 'cause we are good people all. All the soil, uh, where we got, uh, our soil is goodness.Deriving from, and we should be able to have faith in the goodness of ourselves. And we bring through these tools autonomy to the people, so they feel confident that they have control over these subcortical areas of the brain c- called the subconscious and all. Th- they told us that is only 16% that we can control. It's 100. Sorry. It's 100, and I'm showing that in brain scans. And now we are shown with cannabinoid receptors how we are able to create flow in the body, which is a natural state of, uh, ours. We only got conditioned. And if we look at society, too many wars, too many depression, too many inflammation, too many anxiety, and all. We can shoot people to the moon. Let's become happy, strong, and healthy. I made a song on that, by the way. It's called Sat Chit Ananda.
- JSJay Shetty
Oh, wow.
- WHWim Hof
Sat Chit Ananda Vigraha Jai Radha Radha Om. The, my roots are,
- 44:22 – 45:21
Exploring the Practice of Mantra Meditation
- WHWim Hof
uh, in, in India.
- JSJay Shetty
Do you, do you practice mantra meditation as well? Like, as you were just singing and chanting right now.
- WHWim Hof
I did a lot of that.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Wow.
- WHWim Hof
But now, uh, uh, mantras, the con- uh, re- uh, repetitive citing words, uh, sounds, I'm singing.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
All day should be meditation.
- JSJay Shetty
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, it's the culture of India.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. It's not even just repetition of word. It's singing, it's dancing, it's chanting. It's, it's really beautiful.
- WHWim Hof
Meditation should be your natural state.
- JSJay Shetty
Joyful, yeah.
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
- WHWim Hof
Beautiful.
- JSJay Shetty
Absolutely. Yeah, it's almost like a, it's a soundtrack to your life. That's how I think about it when I think about mantra meditation. It's, it's almost like you're listening to a soundtrack, but the soundtrack's within your own heart and consciousness.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And that repeated is kind of creating the rhythm of your life.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah. If, if you, if you sing, you love it too.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
You can, uh, yell out at your, your heart. Uh, you, you let your heart breathe.
- 45:21 – 49:25
Defining and Strengthening Willpower
- WHWim Hof
It feels great.
- JSJay Shetty
I wanted to talk to you about willpower because you talk a lot about willpower, and you talk about how people with low willpower make poorer choices in life. Can you define for us what willpower is in your opinion?
- WHWim Hof
Willpower is the ability to have control within. It's the sixth sense, seventh sense, and eighth sense. Willpower. Dharana. Concentration. If I stay one hour in icy water, I need dharana. I need concentration. I need to control my core body temperature, to control the nervous system while I'm in, uh, this very stressful environment, and stay there. This is willfully, uh, connecting, and that makes my body strong. So anytime I need to concentrate using that connection with my central nervous system, which I exercised in c- cold water, uh, and it doesn't need an hour. It, it only needs you adapting. Adapting is two, three minutes. Then you are naturally connected with your central nervous system, which is the instrument of the willpower. You ne- You just need to learn to connect. Don't make it too complicated in yourself, 'cause it's, it hasn't got to do anything with, uh, your thinking. It's taking on the challenge, and your body adapts. Doesn't matter what it is. Heat, cold, stress on the, uh, stage. It doesn't matter. Uh, you learn to take on instead of ruminating about it. You, you, you go into it because you have control over the central nervous system, which is a connection of the, uh, prefrontal cortex. A- And the central nervous system is everywhere, and it adapts. How far do you wanna go? I tell people.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
If I get people motivated... Last time I went on the Kilimanjaro in shorts [laughs] , uh, was with a man, was 76 years old. 76. He had no experience in climbing. He was suffering from Lyme's disease. It's a debilitating condition. And, uh, he had to go in shorts, and he wanted to do this in record time, what young people cannot do. So, and I looked in his eyes and I saw connection. I saw motivation. Motivation is the right connection with your central nervous. You really want it because you really are there. And I went with him, and this is a mountain you can do between five and nine days, fully dressed, 'cause it's very cold up there and it's half the oxygen and less, and you need oxygen to combust for energy, and it, it's not there. So five to nine days, and then 40% only summit, fully dressed. This man did it in 31 hours in his shorts. What? You know what happened? His Lyme's disease was also gone at the same time. That, what, what is willpower? It's there. Do you got it? Do you really want it? It's there, and it's not complicated.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- WHWim Hof
And you can test it, that it is able to go way past what you think you can do, and it takes a half hour. Just try this out. We simplify these techniques, so to make it, uh, usable tools-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm
- WHWim Hof
... then it's only a matter of choice. What do you want with it?'Cause you will be able, as you shoot, owning your own mind and body in its full splendor.
- JSJay Shetty
Wim, you've done so many
- 49:25 – 51:19
Overcoming Life’s Most Difficult Challenges
- JSJay Shetty
difficult, challenging things. You encourage people to do them with you as well. What's the hardest thing you believe you've ever overcome?
- WHWim Hof
Whoa. At a, a, at a certain moment, I could do a world record every day. You know, you get your body ready, huh? And the connection is so, you're, is, i- in the flow. You, you, e- every day you can, uh, run a marathon, uh, barefoot outside in the snow or stay two hours in, uh, icy water. Uh, uh, do crazy stuff. And at a certain moment, I, I was thinking to myself, uh, actually, I don't want some ridiculous new challenge doing, showing. Uh, I showed enough. And, uh, what I want right now, and that is might be the most difficult, is to settle down, uh, and to let hundreds of millions of people are doing what I'm doing now, huh? The, this is real. With or without my name, doesn't matter. I started this. This is my mission. My mother told me to do this and to be the missionary. I did it. I, I got to the Catholic Church itself, to the esoteric departments of the Catholic Church. The best of them. They came to me. The, my mother is in peace.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- WHWim Hof
So right now, I'm, uh, I, I want to go on. I want to go on on my own, and the challenge is I want to reach billions of people, which is happening. That is the power of faith that keeps on going when actually I thought I did my mission. I will be keeping on going 'cause I... Actually, it's, a normal life is a bit boring.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- WHWim Hof
[laughs] I wanna change the world, and that, it can be difficult, huh. I don't care. I love.
- JSJay Shetty
Well, Wim, I think it's very clear that you have no
- 51:19 – 52:34
How to Self Soothe on Emotionally Tough Days
- JSJay Shetty
doubt been the modern greatest proponent of breathwork, of spending time in the cold and cold exposure. I, I don't think there's anyone else who has not only popularized, but taught those principles and made them as big and as famous and popular as they are now. And honestly, all that credit goes to you for sure. I don't think those conversations were being had in the modern world, and so I, I thank you for doing that because it's such a, it's such a great unlock for the world to recognize the power that can be there for free, right?
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
It's like, [laughs] you don't have to pay for breathwork. You don't have to pay to have a cold shower every day.
- WHWim Hof
Freedom is for free.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. [laughs] Exactly.
- WHWim Hof
Autonomy is there.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
And we wanna, uh, bring. That is love.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
We want to bring love to the people. We want them to be able to feel good, uh, whenever they feel bad.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
You do that. I do that. That's why we are here talking to each other. Five years ago we talked, and it's the same right there. That's the war we're gonna win.
- JSJay Shetty
Absolutely.
- WHWim Hof
General.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Your energy is infectious. I love it. It's such a like... And my team was telling me, just, just to let everyone know,
- 52:34 – 54:20
Revealing the Hidden Strength of the Body
- JSJay Shetty
my team was telling me you walked here today to my house. How long was that journey?
- WHWim Hof
An hour and a quarter.
- JSJay Shetty
Oh, is that all it wa-
- WHWim Hof
So-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
It's pretty impressive. I think it might have taken people a bit longer than that.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
It was a nice walk.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- WHWim Hof
It was a ni- I, I was way too early here.
- JSJay Shetty
No, but it's-
- WHWim Hof
But I enjoyed, uh, your cool-
- JSJay Shetty
But my point is, you live, you live, you live everything. Like, it was hot today. It was a hotter day in LA. You walked here from your hotel or wherever you're staying.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah, yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, it's, it's amazing because you live and breathe this. Like, this is who you are. And some of my friends, Lewis Howes is a good friend of mine, and he brought-
- WHWim Hof
Ah
- JSJay Shetty
... a lot of friends to you-
- WHWim Hof
Ah
- JSJay Shetty
... a few years ago in Poland.
- WHWim Hof
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
They had the best time.
- WHWim Hof
Oh, yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And, and everyone came out of that just saying they couldn't believe how much time they spent in the cold. And I think that's my favorite thing about what you unlock for people, beyond the breath, beyond the cold, is we don't know what we're capable of.
- WHWim Hof
Exactly.
- JSJay Shetty
We have no idea what this body and this mind is capable of doing. And if everyone listening and watching can remember that you are so much more capable than you believe you are, you're able to do so much more than you think you can, your mind and body are so much stronger than you believe they are. If you walk away with that message from today, that will change your life. Because in your head, you think you're a lot more limited than you actually are.
- WHWim Hof
If people, uh, take one message, uh, y- love is where you are able to make that what is going bad within, good.
- 54:20 – 55:48
How Ice Baths Can Benefit Society
- JSJay Shetty
We've talked about the, like, mental and physical health benefits. What benefits do you see for society at large if they practice your method?
- WHWim Hof
I think it is the soul itself. Uh, we are now being approached, I was in the Middle East, uh, uh, with the Catholic Church, uh, with the highest, uh, esoteric departments about providence, uh, God's providence, and the mortification about, uh, deep religious practices. They are taking this all on, and see that the, God's presence itself comes much better toward the moment again. And that is unconditional love to me, and that is now accessible also for anybody else. So we made God accessible, the unconditional love accessible, just, uh, by learning how to surrender.And to show scientifically that we are capable of controlling this deep autonomic nervous system, central nervous system much better than we have learned in our schools to battle inflammation, depression, and, uh, energy itself. It's all there, and it's not complicated. If, if you take something away, just do it once.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. How can people understand that breathing
- 55:48 – 58:21
The Role of Surrender in Facing Fear
- JSJay Shetty
and being in the cold and surrendering ultimately leads you to God? Because I think a lot of people who are doing it, they do it for the health benefits, they do it for the physical benefits. They may not even understand the concept of surrender, which is what's hap- actually happening when you're in the water, you have to. How do, how do you connect that dot for people or is it just something people have to do, and they'll get there?
- WHWim Hof
Uh, uh, during this conversation, we already actually talked about it.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- WHWim Hof
It's your purpose.
- JSJay Shetty
Yes. Yes. Yeah.
- WHWim Hof
Your, uh, once you, uh, are driven by your purpose, it's like if you love somebody, you just... There, there's nothing that can stop you.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- WHWim Hof
If you get your purpose by learning to control fear, to have a deeper control over the central nervous system inside, which we showed within a half hour, then suddenly fear doesn't block you anymore.
- JSJay Shetty
Yes. Yes. Yes.
- WHWim Hof
The quality of life doesn't... You take on the challenges. Suddenly our nature is to take on challenges, to take away blockages, to, uh, live up to our purpose, and our purpose is rooted in goodness. And that, uh, once we are in that power, we are stronger than what we think.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- WHWim Hof
'Cause love is stronger than what you think.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- WHWim Hof
That is happening. Uh, I'm not gonna go into philosophies because this is not about philosophies, but the best philosophers, they come now saying they are recognizing that the real core principle of, uh, the, uh, the best of philosophy is being done by do- doing this. So I take that, but this is not my starting point, yet I, I take it as, hey, these people, they are experts in those fields of what is God, how to behave there, how to do, uh, how to practice and all. They are coming, and they say, uh, uh, that this, and it makes sense to me. But I say feeling is understanding. If you do this, then God will be there.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- WHWim Hof
Have no doubt God's presence is a goodness that is rooted within every person in the world, and this makes all the blockages go away. You connect, and your purpose is like a flower. It's like a strong power. It, uh, goes past your thinking.
- JSJay Shetty
Wim, last question. You've
- 58:21 – 1:03:59
Healing Grief Through Cold Plunge Practices
- JSJay Shetty
talked before about this, but you talked about losing your wife and how that was such a transformative moment in your life even though it was tragic. And you've talked today about the definition of love is being able to transform something that felt like pain into something good or purposeful. What helped you grieve, and what helped you walk through that grief?
- WHWim Hof
Yeah, grief, and we did a la- uh, lately a grief study, yeah, and that shows in, within one afternoon people are able to get out of these patterns 'cause-
- JSJay Shetty
Through breathwork and-
- WHWim Hof
Yes. 'Cause you, neurologically you are connected with the love of your life. She was the mother of my four children, and she still is, and we got a completely honored. She lo- she is here, the afterlife. But that is another discussion. Uh, she is here. She's with us, and I'm, uh, with her children, and we have a very successful, uh, enterprise in, uh, the whole world on breathing, uh, uh, a mission to bring love and how to de-block. So when I went grieving about her, uh, losing her in a suicide, the mother of my children, the love of my life, the, nothing could help me except for going into cold water. Cold water s- makes your mind shut up. Different areas of the brain suddenly start, uh, to be activated. The sense of life, the, the brainstem i- is about survival, just to live. What is the purpose of life? To be alive, fully. So it started over there. It, it opened a little bit my grief. It stopped my grief in those moments by which I opened up to myself, and there the healing started. I became a person missing my wife, missing the mother. But I, uh, made my, uh, family, uh, for my family, uh, my kids, with very little money, a warm nest, and a lot of energy, and that's because I, uh, could heal within. And we still have her in our, all our honor, and we can still, uh, think a- about all the emotions, but here we are. Uh, from there, from that negative story, this movement now, uh, is evolving. So I've learned of the grief. I've learned of my negativity inside, my darkness inside and come out, and so can anybody else. This is what we are showing now in scientific studies. People who also have loss of family, uh, uh, members or, uh, divorces can be very strong inside or PTSD, the, the gruelsome situations of war in inside, and, uh, you can't, uh, change your, uh, your behavior anymore. You're in despair.This breaks it. So it broke me back then, and I had to find it It signs, and it works for millions of people
- JSJay Shetty
Wim, I thank you for your work. I'm grateful to have spoken to you twice. I'm, uh, hoping that everyone who's listening and watching downloads the Wim Hof Method to actually practice it, to breathe every morning. What I really wish for you is that for the next seven days, just seven days, if you can start your day with the Wim Hof Method on an empty stomach, just watch how your life changes. Just seven days-
- WHWim Hof
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... of either the breathwork or the cold shower, whichever one you can. If you can do both, amazing, but just either one of them, and just watch how your life changes because this is all about testing. It's all about practicing. It's all about building it, and I don't want you to think that you've gotta learn a new technique or whatever it may be. This is really, really simple. Wim's made it absolutely accessible for each and every one of us. And I think one of the things that I'm gonna do based off of this is just constantly remind myself that whenever you think you've reached a limit, to realize that that's actually not the limit.
- WHWim Hof
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
Your mind and body can do so much more.
- WHWim Hof
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
So thank you so much, Wim. Please read the Wim Hof Method. Download the Wim Hof Method. Follow Wim on social media across platforms. And Wim, I'm sure we're gonna meet again and continue this, uh, mission together.
- WHWim Hof
I love your work.
- JSJay Shetty
I love yours.
- WHWim Hof
And I respect it, and thank you so much. I came yesterday all the way out of Europe, and tonight I fly on. May- maybe not so good for the ecological footprint.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- WHWim Hof
But I had to see you. I had to be with you, and it's worthwhile all.
- JSJay Shetty
Thank you.
- WHWim Hof
Thank you very much.
- JSJay Shetty
Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to this conversation. If you enjoyed it, you'll love my chat with Adam Grant on why discomfort is the key to growth and the strategies for unlocking your hidden potential. If you know you wanna be more and achieve more this year, go check it out right now.
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