Joe Rogan Experience #2244 - Ryan Graves

Graves spoke directly with U.S. WMD specialists who would be tasked with locating a loose nuke; they are not operating in crisis mode, and standard nuclear-search doctrine relies on ground teams, not hundreds of high-altitude drones looking for gamma radiation.

Incidents have recurred for at least three years around bases like Langley and now appear across multiple states, featuring hundreds of objects that fly in groups, stay aloft for many hours, make sharp maneuvers at low altitude, and often evade infrared and radar tracking.

Because operators may be U.S. persons, agencies often need warrant-level authority or lengthy approvals—up to the Deputy Attorney General or Secretary of Defense—to intercept signals or shoot drones, creating friction and paralysis despite clear security risks.

Upgraded radars began detecting stationary, subsonic, and supersonic objects invisible to the eye but visible on multiple sensors; pilots nearly collided with a “black cube in a clear sphere,” and later recorded the Gimbal and Go Fast videos of formations and maneuvering craft with anomalous signatures.

Graves argues that if China is freely investing in extended electrodynamics, cold fusion, and related exotic physics while the U.S. buries similar work in black programs, America’s self-imposed secrecy could let competitors leapfrog U.S. capabilities.

He proposes elevating UAP study to the White House science apparatus, using DOE compute power, national sensor data (radar, weather, satellites), and open scientific collaboration to create repeatable detections, rather than relying on a constrained Pentagon office.

Graves notes that commercial and military pilots across all major airlines are now quietly reporting incidents, organizations like his (Americans for Safe Aerospace) are growing rapidly, and the stigma is eroding—boosting the odds of eventual disclosure or decisive discovery.