Joe Rogan Experience #1088 - Bryan Callen

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... thin nose. …

   1. BCBryan Callen0:00

      ... thin nose.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Not any more.

   3. BCBryan Callen0:02

      It behooved me.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Yeah, have you ever looked at, like, Abe Vigoda's ears?

   5. BCBryan Callen0:08

      Yeah, they were big.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      They-

   7. BCBryan Callen0:10

      The ears and the nose grow.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      They keep growing.

   9. BCBryan Callen0:12

      Yeah, age is a very annoying thing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:14

       Well, that's a weird one. It's almost like to let someone know, like, "Hey, look at this guy. His proportions are all fucked up. He's got bad juice."

   11. BCBryan Callen0:20

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       You know what I mean?

   13. BCBryan Callen0:21

       Yeah. So how do I reduce ... I wanted to get an ear reduction and a nose sharpening.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       And a nose reduction. I'm sure people have done that. I could only imagine. If girls are getting-

   15. BCBryan Callen0:29

       Well, Bruce Jenner.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       (laughs) Well, girl ... That's a different one.

   17. BCBryan Callen0:31

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       You know what I'm saying?

   19. BCBryan Callen0:33

       (imitates laughing)

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Uh, look at the big ass crazy ears.

   21. BCBryan Callen0:34

       Look at the, the hair on his ears. Abe.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Hey, he's not 12.

   23. BCBryan Callen0:38

       Shave those ears.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah, I've, I've got hair growing out of my ears. I have to, I have to put a trimmer, run a trimmer on it.

   25. BCBryan Callen0:44

       Well, that, I'm vain. I pluck my ... Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Hmm.

   27. BCBryan Callen0:47

       If I see hair that doesn't belong somewhere, I, I have ... I'll take it out.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Go wax it.

   29. BCBryan Callen0:52

       My father, like, lets his nose hair grow, his eyebrows.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Savage.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Because, because they- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      athletes? What does a ra-

   2. BCBryan Callen15:02

      Because, because they-

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      How does a racist look at it and fi- How do you see white superiority in that many elite Black athletes?

   4. BCBryan Callen15:08

      I know, I know how... I've heard, I've heard guys in New York, white guys would always say this about, about... I'd, I'd hear white dudes in New York talk about Black and white athletes like this. They'd be like, "Well, he's a brother, so obviously he's gonna be faster and stronger. But this kid over here has got heart and he's got smarts." And that, that's... (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      (laughs)

   6. BCBryan Callen15:25

      So the white guys apparently got heart and brain, whereas the Black guy only has muscle. It was a clear indication-

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:31

      Yeah.

   8. BCBryan Callen15:31

      ... that you're just... It was such a racist kinda way of delineating-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:35

      Right.

   10. BCBryan Callen15:35

       ... you know? He can't, you know-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       Well, it's also delusional, because people wanna assume that because someone has physical attributes, they don't have mental attributes.

   12. BCBryan Callen15:41

       Exactly.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       They always wanna say that. And sometimes it's true, because sometimes when you have physical attributes, life is easier for you.

   14. BCBryan Callen15:48

       You don't, you don't develop-

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       And you get soft.

   16. BCBryan Callen15:48

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       You don't have to work as hard.

   18. BCBryan Callen15:50

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Like one of the more impressive guys in the UFC for me has always been Frankie Edgar, because that guy's just a product of hard work. He's never been a knockout puncher. He's not the biggest guy. He's always in small for whatever division he's in, and he was small at 55 and he's pretty small at 45-

   20. BCBryan Callen16:06

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       ... in comparison to some guys like-

   22. BCBryan Callen16:08

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       You know, like Ortega we fought this weekend.

   24. BCBryan Callen16:10

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       You know, Brian's much bigger than him, taller, longer. He's just all heart and will and toughness and, and I love that. And I, I, and I think that's an admirable thing, and I think you can get a, a lot outta watching a guy like that. But it doesn't mean that a guy can't have that mindset and also have some fucking Ray Lewis body.

   26. BCBryan Callen16:29

       Well, Mi- Mike Jordan-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       That's possible too.

   28. BCBryan Callen16:30

       Michael Jordan was the example of that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Yeah.

   30. BCBryan Callen16:32

       Nobody... And Kobe Bryant was the same way.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   But it is true…

   1. BCBryan Callen30:00

      of that person's culture, whether they're Inuit, whether they're Mexican, whether they're Black, or whether they're a hillbilly white guy. If you start talking about the fact that their culture and the way they ... Their beliefs, their, their, their, their practices could have something to do with why they're not getting ahead, you better be goddamn careful, 'cause now you're blaming the victim.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      But it is true that ... Well, you're not really necessarily blaming the victim, right? 'Cause a victim in this case is a person who's a part of a culture, and we're all influenced by our environment.

   3. BCBryan Callen30:32

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:33

      And if you're involved in a culture that has very specific ways of behaving and you're supposed to engage in these, and whether it's, uh, you know, female genital mutilation that they do to children on a, a r-... regular basis-

   5. BCBryan Callen30:44

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      ... in some parts of the world. Like, why do they do that? Well, they've just been doing that. That's what they've been doing, that's, they just keep doing that.

   7. BCBryan Callen30:49

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:49

      Like, there's a lot of w- weird things that people just get sucked into and then you, you don't even realize what you're doing.

   9. BCBryan Callen30:54

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       You're 18, you're living that life, then it becomes y- a part of your pattern of behavior.

   11. BCBryan Callen30:58

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       And then all, you're 35 and everyone around you is, is behaving the same way and the world's filled with violence and no one can st- hit the pause button and go, "Hey, why are we machete-ing each other, Hutus and the Tutsis?" Like, what are we doing?

   13. BCBryan Callen31:10

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Like, no one's like, "Stop. S- Settle the fuck down." It's like you get locked up in the momentum of your past, of the past of your family, your ancestors, your community, your environment. Very few people have complete autonomy, so the idea that we're supposed to ask somebody to just figure it out or get their shit together or pull themselves up by their bootstraps, it's pretty preposterous.

   15. BCBryan Callen31:31

       Fuck yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       And it's usually coming from people that got a nice juicy hand, like life gave you a couple of aces and you got a seven over there and a two and you try to figure out if you can get a flush.

   17. BCBryan Callen31:41

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       Like, you got a good hand. You got lucky. So if you say you made it with a good hand like, "Oh."

   19. BCBryan Callen31:47

       Th- Th- They've done-

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       "Congratulations, (claps) you won the pot. You, you got dealt three aces, you cunt."

   21. BCBryan Callen31:51

       Exactly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       "You got lucky."

   23. BCBryan Callen31:52

       Exactly. I'll be the first to admit that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:54

       Hmm. You should.

   25. BCBryan Callen31:55

       That, that, that-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       You should be the first.

   27. BCBryan Callen31:56

       ... uh, I, I mean that, you know, some people are born with more advantage than others. Just a better family.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       Well, just stop for a moment, and I don't wanna get too, this ar- I'm already too social justice warrior-y in this podcast, but that's one of the things that pisses me off is that I, I, um, agree with so many of those twats on so many important issues.

   29. BCBryan Callen32:13

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       And then they get so crazy that they want to interrupt people like Christina Hoff Sommers and yell that she's a fascist and... We just, we just, we- there's just too much conflict that doesn't make any sense today.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. BCBryan Callen45:00

      not saying we shouldn't have these resources.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Right.

   3. BCBryan Callen45:02

      I thought it was fascinating that a lot of the people that are really in the front lines and involved in this are saying that the, the ironic and frustrating thing sometimes can be that it does create, not complacency, but certainly, there are way more resources than you think. There are people that have worked very hard to address this problem and people do, when they know where to go, they do know where to get food, they do know where to get a shower, they do know where to do all these things.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      Right.

   5. BCBryan Callen45:30

      So they can live on the street-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:31

      But there's, there's many levels to this, right?

   7. BCBryan Callen45:33

      Yeah, of course.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:33

      First of all, one of the big levels, the inescapable, is mental illness.

   9. BCBryan Callen45:37

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       Those people ... There's a lot of people that are wandering around the street that really should probably be in some sort of an institution-

   11. BCBryan Callen45:43

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       ... getting healthcare-

   13. BCBryan Callen45:44

       Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       ... and medicated.

   15. BCBryan Callen45:46

       Yes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       But how do you force someone to do that and is it that it ... Is that the issue or is it a funding issue? You know, that was an, an issue apparently when Reagan-

   17. BCBryan Callen45:54

       It was a Supreme Court decision, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       When Reagan was in office, they lowered the standard of what's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and they just let a bunch of dudes just wander through the streets.

   19. BCBryan Callen46:01

       That actually wasn't th- it was a little bit more complicated than that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       Sure, I'm sure it was.

   21. BCBryan Callen46:05

       It was, it was that the state, the state doesn't have a right to keep you against your will if you don't want to be, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Right.

   23. BCBryan Callen46:09

       So, so there had to be very specific criteria for that. So, you know, this whole thing with gun control, like, we need, it's a he- mental health issue. Well, there's, i- if you talk to the psychiatrists they'll be like, "Look, dude, the criteria for getting s- for cont- saying, saying and getting somebody essentially classified as a danger to society and, uh, like a real threat is very steep." It's hard to do.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       Yeah.

   25. BCBryan Callen46:35

       You, you, you can't do that because somebody talks to themselves. You can't do it because they're hearing voices. The other thing is al-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       Well, the FBI went to visit that kid-

   27. BCBryan Callen46:40

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:41

       ... uh, two years ago.

   29. BCBryan Callen46:42

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:43

       Um, the kid who shot up a school in Florida, and they decided he wasn't a threat, but he might not have been a threat two years ago.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:11

   It's like a, a…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      this ability to scream out.

   2. BCBryan Callen1:00:02

      It's like a, a tantrum.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      They're practicing. Yeah.

   4. BCBryan Callen1:00:04

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      They've got way too much power. They're children.

   6. BCBryan Callen1:00:06

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      They're essentially children.

   8. BCBryan Callen1:00:08

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      Yeah, they could go to war, some of them, and yeah, they can ... But that's not right anyway.

   10. BCBryan Callen1:00:12

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

       They, they probably shouldn't be able to.

   12. BCBryan Callen1:00:13

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

       Should probably be like 21 before you make that decision.

   14. BCBryan Callen1:00:16

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       The whole thing's fucking crazy. It's crazy that they don't have enough security to keep the fucking kids from banging on the windows.

   16. BCBryan Callen1:00:22

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       Like, what kind of nonsense facility do you run? You just didn't see that coming? Are you guys ... Do you have the internet? Do you guys have the internet?

   18. BCBryan Callen1:00:29

       It's kinda new though, Man.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       You see what's going on?

   20. BCBryan Callen1:00:30

       It's kinda new though. American culture has always-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       No, it's not.

   22. BCBryan Callen1:00:33

       Uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       It's been a few years.

   24. BCBryan Callen1:00:34

       No, what I'm saying-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       A few years they've been doing that though.

   26. BCBryan Callen1:00:35

       American, American culture has always given, like, you know, their kids, as l- recently too ... I mean, Joe and I talked about this. Like, he- helicopter parenting and sort of the idea-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Yeah.

   28. BCBryan Callen1:00:44

       ... that your kid has his own autonomy, and it's very important. I, I, I've, I've seen all the new science on this. I mean-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       For sure, yeah. There's definitely something there.

   30. BCBryan Callen1:00:50

       Your kid is, your kid has to ex- is allowed to ex- exercise their point of view and have a tantrum, and then you have to show them that that con- that, that there are consequences for that.

Episode duration: 3:08:29