Joe Rogan Experience #1088 - Bryan Callen

1. 0:00 – 1:56

   Aging vanity: ears, noses, and grooming battles with dad

   1. BCBryan Callen0:00

      ... thin nose.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Not any more.

   3. BCBryan Callen0:02

      It behooved me.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Yeah, have you ever looked at, like, Abe Vigoda's ears?

   5. BCBryan Callen0:08

      Yeah, they were big.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      They-

   7. BCBryan Callen0:10

      The ears and the nose grow.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      They keep growing.

   9. BCBryan Callen0:12

      Yeah, age is a very annoying thing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:14

       Well, that's a weird one. It's almost like to let someone know, like, "Hey, look at this guy. His proportions are all fucked up. He's got bad juice."

   11. BCBryan Callen0:20

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       You know what I mean?

   13. BCBryan Callen0:21

       Yeah. So how do I reduce ... I wanted to get an ear reduction and a nose sharpening.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       And a nose reduction. I'm sure people have done that. I could only imagine. If girls are getting-

   15. BCBryan Callen0:29

       Well, Bruce Jenner.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       (laughs) Well, girl ... That's a different one.

   17. BCBryan Callen0:31

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       You know what I'm saying?

   19. BCBryan Callen0:33

       (imitates laughing)

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Uh, look at the big ass crazy ears.

   21. BCBryan Callen0:34

       Look at the, the hair on his ears. Abe.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Hey, he's not 12.

   23. BCBryan Callen0:38

       Shave those ears.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah, I've, I've got hair growing out of my ears. I have to, I have to put a trimmer, run a trimmer on it.

   25. BCBryan Callen0:44

       Well, that, I'm vain. I pluck my ... Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Hmm.

   27. BCBryan Callen0:47

       If I see hair that doesn't belong somewhere, I, I have ... I'll take it out.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Go wax it.

   29. BCBryan Callen0:52

       My father, like, lets his nose hair grow, his eyebrows.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Savage.
2. 1:56 – 4:32

   Manual labor as strength training and the “mason strong” phenomenon

   1. BCBryan Callen1:56

      When he was young, he was poor and he had to do manual labor.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:59

      Mm.

   3. BCBryan Callen2:00

      He had to work construction. He had to do everything with his hands. So now that he has money, it reminds him of when if he ... You ask him to do shit, if you ask him to help you with a table, it reminds him of when he was poor and how p- how awful it was.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:15

      I was reading a book once on powerlifting, and one of the things that they suggested is getting a manual labor job.

   5. BCBryan Callen2:21

      That's a b- ... When you have to move furniture-

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:24

      Yeah.

   7. BCBryan Callen2:25

      ... okay, when you gotta carry couches upstairs, yeah, yeah. That'll, that'll get to you.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      But I never saw that. I never saw anybody actually recommend that someone do that in order to get stronger.

   9. BCBryan Callen2:36

      Well, when you, um ... My friend who y- we- wrestled and played football on a high level, they, they used to work the farm. And they would ch- th- there was a thing where you would take hay and you would ... You'd run after the truck. The truck stopped, you'd take the hay and you'd throw it off-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       Mm-hmm.

   11. BCBryan Callen2:50

       ... and I guess you'd-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       Right.

   13. BCBryan Callen2:51

       Just doing that-

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       Oh, yeah.

   15. BCBryan Callen2:53

       I mean, you know, you can-

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       You'd get crazy strong.

   17. BCBryan Callen2:54

       I worked construction one summer in, uh, in Washington DC, in the 95-degree heat. And I had to dig a foundation for a building, for a house. Just dig into the ground all day.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       Oh.

   19. BCBryan Callen3:07

       And then we had to, we had to d- demolish a house and take that debris, put it into a truck, and then drive it to a landfill called Lawton, I think. And then we would un- we'd take it off the truck. So that movement of digging and then, like, de- demolition and digging, and piling it in a truck and then piling it off a truck, you're too exhausted do a- to do a goddamn thing. You're not working out after that. You know, your body is done.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       Yeah, if you do work out and you get used to it, though, I think that's the idea, is that your body becomes way more resilient.

   21. BCBryan Callen3:39

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       That's what he was saying. If you could get a job, like, as a mason or some sort of manual labor on a construction site where you're carrying lumber-

   23. BCBryan Callen3:46

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:46

       ... and you'd just be lifting things up, carrying around all the time-

   25. BCBryan Callen3:48

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       ... your body would just naturally get stronger.

   27. BCBryan Callen3:50

       The strongest guy I've ever felt in my life in jujitsu was a, a, a Mexican guy who was a mason.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       Oh, yeah, man. Carrying bricks. Imagine.

   29. BCBryan Callen3:55

       I, I couldn't move. I couldn't believe how, how his ... Nothing worked on him.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       Just imagine, like, picking up bricks all day long.
3. 4:32 – 5:34

   Meeting Sinbad and what longevity in comedy looks like

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:32

      Speaking of big, jolly Black men with one name, uh, I met Sinbad the other day. I never met Sinbad before.

   2. BCBryan Callen4:37

      Good guy, right?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      Met him in a parking lot. Our cars were right next to each other. Fully random.

   4. BCBryan Callen4:42

      Hm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:43

      Just fully random. I'm like, "What's up, man?"

   6. BCBryan Callen4:44

      Was he wearing, was he wearing a, a dangly earring?

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:47

      I didn't check. I was-

   8. BCBryan Callen4:48

      Was he, was he dressed in a colorful manner, or-

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      No, he was very understated.

   10. BCBryan Callen4:52

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       He seemed, uh, completely normal.

   12. BCBryan Callen4:54

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Like, he mi- ... I don't remember what he was wearing. He might be wearing what you're wearing right now, exactly.

   14. BCBryan Callen4:57

       He always struck me as a nice dude.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       Very, very nice guy.

   16. BCBryan Callen4:59

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       Very nice guy. Sweetheart.

   18. BCBryan Callen5:00

       And what's he, what's he doing now?

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       Doing standup still. Touring.

   20. BCBryan Callen5:04

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       You know?

   22. BCBryan Callen5:05

       Still got an audience.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Oh, yeah.

   24. BCBryan Callen5:07

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       He's a funny dude, man. Apparently he was really funny on Kill Tony. They did a Kill Tony episode and Sinbad sat in as one of the, um, the guest, uh, judges.

   26. BCBryan Callen5:16

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       You know, they have a new guest judge every week. And, uh, they said he was killer.

   28. BCBryan Callen5:20

       Yeah, du- dudes who've been doing it for that long-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Yeah.

   30. BCBryan Callen5:23

       ... they've got some tricks up their sleeve. Don't be surprised.
4. 5:34 – 7:54

   Bad moments, forgiveness, and identity extremes (Dolezal, face tattoos)

   1. BCBryan Callen5:34

      You ever met anybody who was not so nice?

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:38

      (sighs) If I did, I-

   3. BCBryan Callen5:39

      See, that's the wrong way to ask this question.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:40

      Maybe five years ago I woulda told you.

   5. BCBryan Callen5:42

      (clears throat) Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:43

      But now I'm like, "Why?"

   7. BCBryan Callen5:44

      I know, I know.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:44

      Why, why bring heat on someone from some weird moment-

   9. BCBryan Callen5:46

      I agree.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       ... that I probably coulda done myself if I was-

   11. BCBryan Callen5:49

       So true.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       If you could ... You run into someone, you're in the wrong head space. Maybe you just got done, somebody yelled at you, maybe you have a business deal that went bad, maybe you got cut off on the highway. You never know when you're running into people. It's just, we vary so much.

   13. BCBryan Callen6:02

       Look, dude, we're-

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       We, we would like to encourage each other to be on a good track all the time-

   15. BCBryan Callen6:06

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       ... but ag- I think we need a little bit more forgiveness when someone does something stupid.

   17. BCBryan Callen6:11

       I'm gonna call my next special, I think, Bipolar Abe.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       (laughs)

   19. BCBryan Callen6:14

       'Cause that is what we are. We are, man. I mean, and, and, and if you-

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       Yeah.

   21. BCBryan Callen6:17

       ... stop-... and you freeze frame on somebody when they're having a moment, you can catch them in any, like, that whole spectrum, the human spectrum, sinner and saint, and, and anything in between-

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       Yeah.

   23. BCBryan Callen6:29

       ... you can catch them in a terrible moment or a great moment, but you can't decide that that's what they are all the time. And that's what we're doing now, let's be honest.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Isn't it funny too that we quantify certain things that are just dumb? Like, there's certain things you just never... You're just not gonna bounce back from the Rachel Dolezal thing, when she pretended she was Black, but she really isn't Black.

   25. BCBryan Callen6:45

       (laughs) Yeah, that's a little too much.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       Like, you know what I'm saying? But there's, like, those things-

   27. BCBryan Callen6:48

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       ... where it becomes a nationwide thing. And I, I bet she's a lovely lady. I don't know.

   29. BCBryan Callen6:52

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       I have no i- I have no idea.
5. 7:54 – 25:59

   Race, culture, and elite athletics: genetics vs environment

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      Well, I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense in terms of, like, people wanting to belong to a group that seems cool. And, like, Black people seem like overall a cool group, right? Like, you have good music behind it, they have a funny way of talking, they have all these amazing pro athletes. They have a totally different kind of culture, and you identify with that culture, but you can't get in 'cause you're a white girl. You're like, "Shit, what do I do?"

   2. BCBryan Callen8:16

      It's also something, it's also something... I think also there's a romance to-

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      Yeah, sure.

   4. BCBryan Callen8:19

      ... when you're on the outside looking in at struggle-

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:21

      Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

   6. BCBryan Callen8:22

      ... and, uh, being, having been oppressed and all those things.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:25

      Yeah.

   8. BCBryan Callen8:25

      And yet you, yet you triumph, yet you find a way to be funny.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:28

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   10. BCBryan Callen8:29

       Yet you find a way to be colorful, yet you find a way to be, uh, artistic. Um, you know, yes, the-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:34

       I mean, some of the-

   12. BCBryan Callen8:34

       ... the, I mean, rap came from, from, from the South Bronx while it was literally on fire.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:39

       Yeah, and rap is just one aspect of it, right?

   14. BCBryan Callen8:41

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       I mean, think about it. Some of the very best standup comedians, some of the very best musicians.

   16. BCBryan Callen8:46

       Jazz, too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       Yeah. And you think of the percentage of the population that's Black.

   18. BCBryan Callen8:51

       12%, man.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       And the percentage that become elite professional athletes.

   20. BCBryan Callen8:55

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       I mean, what is the percentage of NBA players that are Black? It's, it's something crazy.

   22. BCBryan Callen9:00

       A lot of it's also just-

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       What is, what is it, you think?

   24. BCBryan Callen9:02

       I don't know, but it's, it's pretty high.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       Take a guess.

   26. BCBryan Callen9:04

       I mean, there's-

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       69%?

   28. BCBryan Callen9:06

       Probably. Probably something like that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       Don't know why I said that number. Jamie, when you were-

   30. BCBryan Callen9:09

       A lot, a lot of it might be just also that there are two, there are two avenues open to you in a lot of Black communities. At least it's changing, but, you know, it was sports and, and music, right?
6. 25:59 – 33:37

   Tribalism as the root: racism, labels, and “single-variable” thinking

   1. BCBryan Callen25:59

      It, it's just way more complicated. People are way less, uh, uh, easy to pigeonhole. There ... Just because you supported Trump doesn't necessarily mean you're a right-winger across the board. Doesn't mean you're, you know, about the patriarchy and stuff. And I, I find that a lot of young people, and I find a lot of people on, who are trying to be woke and stuff, and we do this as Americans. It's not just the left, it's also the right. We do this as Americans. We wanna find a bad guy and we wanna put a label on that bad guy. We want a single variable answer. We want a single variable solution.

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:28

      Hmm.

   3. BCBryan Callen26:28

      Right? So in other words, "You are a racist. You are a sexist. You are a homophobe, so you gotta be sanctioned and we gotta get rid of you. And if we can get rid of racism ..." As if racism has anything to do with it actually. It's about tribalism, 'cause people don't need a difference in skin color to hate each other. Have you heard of the Middle East or Africa or even this country? It's not about the melanin in your skin. It's just we're tribal. But, but w- we tend to wanna find that one label, "You're a racist, you're a homophobe. By the way, you're an homo-"

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:00

      Well, there's no ... M- most certainly racist, right?

   5. BCBryan Callen27:01

      Of course there are.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:02

      Yeah.

   7. BCBryan Callen27:02

      Of course there are.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:03

      D- We don't think racism is the problem that we're facing? You think it's more of a tribalism issue?

   9. BCBryan Callen27:06

      Oh, I, I think that if everybody was the same color, we'd have no problem b- uh, joining groups and hating each other. No problem. Again-

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:13

       Well, that's true for sure.

   11. BCBryan Callen27:13

       Please see the Middle East.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:14

       That's f- for sure, yeah.

   13. BCBryan Callen27:15

       Look, look, in, in Yuval Harari's amazing book-

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:17

       So racism is just a symptom of that.

   15. BCBryan Callen27:19

       Fucking-

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:20

       Yeah.

   17. BCBryan Callen27:20

       Yuval Harari's great book, uh, Sapiens. Everybody should read it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:23

       Read it.

   19. BCBryan Callen27:24

       Thank you.

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       On your recommendation.

   21. BCBryan Callen27:26

       Uh, hi- the Dinka. The Dinka and the Nua in the Sudan. Let's just take them. They look exactly the same. Just Google it. They look exactly the same.

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:31

       Maybe you're just racist.

   23. BCBryan Callen27:32

       Right. They, they are-

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:33

       I mean, that's like, like saying all Black people look exactly the same.

   25. BCBryan Callen27:36

       Well, well, they-

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:37

       Is that what it is?

   27. BCBryan Callen27:37

       They look, they do look, they, they, they are basically ... (laughs) They are, they are ... They ... The only way to tell them d- d- the difference is the tribal markings. But for the most part, they're, they look exactly the same, very similar cultures, a herding culture. Uh, Dinka, in the Dinka language means people. Nua in the Nua language means original people.

   28. JRJoe Rogan27:56

       Whoa.

   29. BCBryan Callen27:57

       And they're sworn enemies. They fucking hate each other. Talk to Justin Renn about-

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:01

       Whoa.
7. 33:37 – 47:11

   Guns, policing, and why fear drives policy more than disease

   1. BCBryan Callen33:37

      ... tal- Well, can we talk about the fact that we all agree that the problem sucks? Now, you're saying we need more guns and this other side's saying we need less guns. Is there, is there something, is there something we can c- Can we at least start talking instead... 'Cause, you know, Brendan on the podcast said, "Can we agree there's a gun problem?" The fucking number of hate emails we got.

   2. JRJoe Rogan34:00

      Dudes do not wanna give up those guns.

   3. BCBryan Callen34:02

      And, and, and, uh, yeah, and, and Jim Jefferies was so funny 'cause he goes, uh, in his pod, did you hear that stand up he did? He goes, "Here's the argument. 'Cause I like them, so fuck off." And it's like, that's, that's good enough.

   4. JRJoe Rogan34:13

      Yeah.

   5. BCBryan Callen34:14

      The, the Constitution says that guns, you, we have a right to bear arms so we can protect ourselves against tyrannical government, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:19

      Yes.

   7. BCBryan Callen34:19

      I mean, that's, that's what the Second Amendment... Well, you know, he, he's like, "The government has drones," right? "They got tanks. They got cruise missiles. Your AR-15 ain't doing shit."

   8. JRJoe Rogan34:30

      Here's another problem.

   9. BCBryan Callen34:31

      So-

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:31

       These people need to understand this. The government is us. Okay?

   11. BCBryan Callen34:34

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:34

       Everybody that you just described is someone who works in the military. Everyone you just described is someone who's a soldier.

   13. BCBryan Callen34:39

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:39

       Those soldiers are civilians. They're the same people. They're people.

   15. BCBryan Callen34:42

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:42

       They're us. We're not talking about some global elite that's gonna take over. They're not taking over with us.

   17. BCBryan Callen34:47

       Right. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:47

       We are not gonna take over ourselves.

   19. BCBryan Callen34:49

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:49

       We're not, this is not a stupid fucking country. Like, the idea that somehow or another the military will start taking over. What we have to be careful is people that have extreme power and shit judgment, like that cop that shot that kid in the hallway in Arizona in that, that horrible video.

   21. BCBryan Callen35:03

       Yeah. Yeah, that was bad.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:04

       White guy shooting a white guy too, by the way. I don't even know if that has anything to do with racism, with a lot of what cops are doing. I think some of it most certainly does, but I think a lot of it has to do with people who are just incompetent and they're police officers and they shouldn't be police officers.

   23. BCBryan Callen35:18

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:19

       And on top of that, I think the stress of the job just breaks people's brains.

   25. BCBryan Callen35:23

       Fuck yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:23

       And I think sometimes people are just so out of their fucking mind with worrying about being shot and dealing with trauma and dealing with violence and dealing with domestic abuse and fucking murdered kids and all the fucked up things they say, see every day. Their brains are frazzled, man.

   27. BCBryan Callen35:38

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:38

       And they're stepping out into the street and then they, they, they c- confront somebody and they just wanna fucking shoot. They just wanna shoot before they get shot. They're on a hair trigger, man.

   29. BCBryan Callen35:47

       That shit happens-

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:48

       Because a lot of these people are broken.
8. 47:11 – 54:09

   ADHD, medicating boys, and redesigning school around movement

   1. BCBryan Callen47:11

      Weren't you talking about how ... 'Cause 20% of boys in this fucking country are de- are, are, are, uh, diagnosed with ADHD?

   2. JRJoe Rogan47:19

      Yes.

   3. BCBryan Callen47:20

      20%.

   4. JRJoe Rogan47:20

      Misdiagnosed.

   5. BCBryan Callen47:21

      Of course, because you have a doctor-

   6. JRJoe Rogan47:22

      Misdiagnosed.

   7. BCBryan Callen47:23

      ... who spends 10 minutes with you who's not an expert on ADHD, could be a thousand other things.

   8. JRJoe Rogan47:27

      I retweeted it-

   9. BCBryan Callen47:27

      Could just be a boy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan47:28

       It was on ... Rhonda Patrick, uh, posted up the study.

   11. BCBryan Callen47:31

       Yeah, and then we're drugging them.

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:32

       But did you know that ADHD was something that ... Wasn't that the one that was created ... See, Google this too, sorry. ADHD was the one that was created by the advertising agency.

   13. BCBryan Callen47:43

       What a surprise. No way.

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:44

       Like there's been several conditions that were literally invented by advertising agencies in order to promote a cure.

   15. BCBryan Callen47:53

       So it's a- a- attention deficit hyperactivity-

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:56

       Hyperactive disorder.

   17. BCBryan Callen47:57

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:57

       Yeah. Look, I don't know-

   19. BCBryan Callen48:00

       That was me.

   20. JRJoe Rogan48:00

       ... how much of that is a real disease. Maybe, maybe some of it is. Maybe, I'm not a, I'm obviously not an expert, maybe some of it is a kid whose brain works different. All right? Let me tell you something man, my dog might have ADHD or whatever the fuck it is. I go to see him and he goes crazy. He's, he's out of his fucking mind because he thinks we're going running, he's running around in circles, he's hopping up and down, he bolts back and forth into the backyard. He's like a maniac, like I can't control him. You know what the solution for that is? I take him running.

   21. BCBryan Callen48:27

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan48:28

       I don't lock him in a room-

   23. BCBryan Callen48:29

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan48:29

       ... and then drug him.

   25. BCBryan Callen48:30

       You know when I was really-

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:30

       That's what you're doing with little kids.

   27. BCBryan Callen48:32

       You know when I was really focused? You know when I wasn't focused? Algebra.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:34

       Right.

   29. BCBryan Callen48:34

       You know when I was really focused? If somebody started talking about fighting and how to throw a right hand.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:38

       Just think about what I'm saying with my dog. I mean, there's really something to that.... like that dog wanted to go run.
9. 54:09 – 58:28

   Failure, self-esteem, and using discomfort as fuel for growth

   1. BCBryan Callen54:09

      Let them, let them move around. Did I ever tell you that the, the ... My acting teacher who looked at me one time as the greatest, and he goes, uh ... I'd done a scene and he goes, "You know what we got with you? You got a little self-esteem problem. You think of yourself as a second banana." And I was like, "What?" He goes, "Yeah, you gotta start believing in yourself more." So-

   2. JRJoe Rogan54:27

      Sounds like an acting coach who was trying to fuck you.

   3. BCBryan Callen54:28

      Yeah, he goes, yeah, he goes, "You gotta start thinking of yourself as a first banana."

   4. JRJoe Rogan54:30

      Did he say this when he was in his underwear?

   5. BCBryan Callen54:32

      He did. He was ... I was wearing, I was wearing-

   6. JRJoe Rogan54:34

      Right about to pull his shorts down.

   7. BCBryan Callen54:34

      ... I was wearing black lace undies. He goes, "Put these black lace undies on."

   8. JRJoe Rogan54:37

      (groans)

   9. BCBryan Callen54:37

      "There you go and I'm gonna pierce your nipples now."

   10. JRJoe Rogan54:38

       (groans)

   11. BCBryan Callen54:39

       It's like, "What's that?"

   12. JRJoe Rogan54:40

       (groans)

   13. BCBryan Callen54:41

       "Why, why do you smell like cologne?"

   14. JRJoe Rogan54:42

       It's like a leopard seal.

   15. BCBryan Callen54:43

       This is weird. So he, he says that to me and I'm a young actor and I'm fucked up over it. I'm like, "I gotta get better. I gotta get higher self-esteem." (laughs) So I say to my buddies, kind of a group of guys. O- one of my buddies older and wiser, and I said, um, I said, "Man, I, I was told I have low self-esteem, you know?" And, and I heard (laughs) a v- voice in the back over there goes, "Thank God."

   16. JRJoe Rogan55:06

       (laughs)

   17. BCBryan Callen55:07

       And I go, "Huh?" And they go, "You really think you'd be this funny if you fucking liked yourself, bro? And do you think you'd be a fucking actor if you liked yourself? Go fuck yourself. That guy's an asshole. Keep hating yourself. It's the best part of you." And I went-

   18. JRJoe Rogan55:18

       Maybe that's how that guy tanks, man.

   19. BCBryan Callen55:20

       Fuck, I know. I was like, "You're right. I liked it."

   20. JRJoe Rogan55:22

       Yeah.

   21. BCBryan Callen55:23

       The, the whole point ... The whole thing that drives me is the fact that I've never been satisfied with myself, and I'm never gonna lose that. I- if I ... If you make me really happy with myself, I'm not so sure it's a good thing.

   22. JRJoe Rogan55:34

       You know what you gotta figure out how to do, I think? Not you, but I think humans, to somehow or another disconnect you from the result.

   23. BCBryan Callen55:43

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan55:43

       If you could figure out a way to disconnect you from the result, you could look at it more objectively. You're gonna feel the sting of failure.

   25. BCBryan Callen55:49

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan55:49

       It's a fact. But you have to recognize what that is and intellectualize it. You gotta put it in this little box. Okay, this is good, 'cause now I'm gonna be fucking pumped up to improve. I'm gonna recognize the urgency in failure 'cause it's so extremely uncomfortable. But that's not me. What me is, is the person who's doing this, and I'm eventually going to be a finished product. I'm gonna figure this out.

   27. BCBryan Callen56:09

       That's right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan56:09

       But right now, that little thing that happened that sucks, like, okay, don't freak out. You- you- you ... Everybody fucks up. Maybe you fucked up this way, but you didn't run into someone's car. Maybe you f- did run into someone's car, but you didn't do this. Everybody's got their own little fuck-up.

   29. BCBryan Callen56:22

       Failure is a huge part of success.

   30. JRJoe Rogan56:23

       It's a giant part of being a human.
10. 58:28 – 1:06:04

    Campus protests, free speech, and the power/attention cycle

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:28

       Yeah, but that's the pa- only part of the problem. The real problem is a control/power problem. The con- there's control and power problems 'cause these are 18-year-old kids, and they've just gotten away from home for the first time, and they wanna exercise their power.

    2. BCBryan Callen58:39

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan58:39

       They wanna change the world, and they're fucking babies.

    4. BCBryan Callen58:41

       Yeah, it's true.

    5. JRJoe Rogan58:41

       They have half-baked brains-

    6. BCBryan Callen58:43

       They're young. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan58:43

       ... and they wanna yell shit out, and they think that they're doing the right thing. They really do. And they were yelling outside, "You can't have ... We h- we won't have fascists in our school." Did you see Jordan Peterson was doing a speech, and they were literally at the windows? They climbed the walls and got to the windows and were banging on the windows from the outside-

    8. BCBryan Callen58:59

       Wow.

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:59

       ... while the speech went on.

    10. BCBryan Callen59:00

        Wow.

    11. JRJoe Rogan59:00

        Dude, it's disturbing.

    12. BCBryan Callen59:02

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan59:02

        And everyone inside is super calm, and there's people that k- keep an eye on the window 'cause you hear it cracking. Like, they're just smashing this fucking window, just banging up against it the entire time he's talking. You just hear bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And they're yelling shit outside about fascism or ... It's like-

    14. BCBryan Callen59:19

        Wow.

    15. JRJoe Rogan59:20

        They don't even know what the fuck that means.

    16. BCBryan Callen59:21

        No, they don't.

    17. JRJoe Rogan59:22

        Like, they literally are just saying it for anybody who disagrees with them.

    18. BCBryan Callen59:25

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan59:25

        When a real fascist comes along, they're gonna be so duped.

    20. BCBryan Callen59:29

        Well, and they'll be, they'll be shot.

    21. JRJoe Rogan59:31

        Oh, for sure.

    22. BCBryan Callen59:31

        They'll be lined up against a wall and shot.

    23. JRJoe Rogan59:33

        Well-

    24. BCBryan Callen59:33

        That's what, that's what fascists do, real fascists.

    25. JRJoe Rogan59:35

        But they seem to think that disagreeing, uh, with, uh, people who are out of their fucking mind-

    26. BCBryan Callen59:41

        They don't have any confidence.

    27. JRJoe Rogan59:42

        ... equates fascism.

    28. BCBryan Callen59:43

        They, but they, they have no confidence, right? So, so if, if you're having-

    29. JRJoe Rogan59:46

        Why do you say that?

    30. BCBryan Callen59:46

        Well, 'cause if you're having an argument with somebody and you end up hitting them 'cause they're saying things you don't like, it means you don't have the ideas to compete with their ideas. You don't have a rebuttal.

Episode duration: 3:08:29