Joe Rogan Experience #1137 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (singing) Doom, doom, doom,…

   1. DTDuncan Trussell0:00

      (singing) Doom, doom, doom, doom. Riders on the storm. Doom, doom, doom, doom.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      I'm teaching Duncan the ways of-

   3. DTDuncan Trussell0:10

      I love it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      ... a Windows laptop.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell0:11

      Fucking love it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Mac's keyboards can go fuck themselves. Those are terrible keyboards. They're not designed for comfort and writing. This whole idea of get, get it thinner, man, get it thinner and thinner. Get it so it's a piece of paper and s- it magically unfolds, it expands to the right si-

   7. DTDuncan Trussell0:29

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      It's, this is fucking, this is not too thick.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell0:33

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       How come they can do it? How come you guys can't do it? Why, how come you only offer one shitty ass fucking keyboard? Find out if your MacBook qualified for Apple's keyboard repair program. I don't want you to repair the same shitty keyboard. I want you to make a real keyboard where you, you have like, it's got like a little bit of a u-shape to it, where your finger, it goes into the center. What is that called? How do they describe that? And the keys have like a little, a little bit of a dip to them in the w- in the middle. You feel-

   11. DTDuncan Trussell1:01

       Dimpled.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... where they are. Yeah, dimpled perhaps. You feel where they are. They have travel so your fingers know what's going on. You get tactile feedback, more tactile feedback than this little clickety-click thing which might as well be, you might as well be doing it on a iPad. You know how you have a iPad keyboard?

   13. DTDuncan Trussell1:19

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       And it kind of works but it kind of doesn't.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell1:21

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Because your fingers are all feeling the same thing every time.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell1:23

       Sure.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       You want individual buttons that give you individual feedback so you don't have to think about what's happening. You can just think about the words.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell1:31

       It feels like the s- they hired an alien at Apple that forgot that humans like to push buttons.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Mm-hmm.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell1:38

       We like it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       We like it.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell1:39

       It feels good. It feels good. They're, they're ignoring like a basic human trait.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       Yeah.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell1:45

       Which is like, have you seen those dumb cubes nervous people get?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Yeah, what is that? What is that?

   27. DTDuncan Trussell1:49

       They've got like buttons and shit and you spin it around. It's, it was the same thing as this thing. It's like gives you this tactile little thing where you take all that extra energy and you put it in your, into your stress ball. You're s- people like to punch and press and click and switch.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       Oh.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell2:04

       And that's what Apple forgot. It's like when I'm typing, man, I like that click-click-click.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Probably, for sure. …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell15:00

      It's just like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Probably, for sure.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell15:01

      For sure.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      Yeah.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell15:01

      So if like you took psychedelics and it caused that thumbprint-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Mm-hmm.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell15:05

      ... to change a little bit-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      Yeah.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell15:06

      ... and that's how they told where it's, they don't even wanna look at your shit. You just have to, they have to look at like your, you, they have to scan your ass and they're like, "Oh."

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       Ooh.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell15:13

       "The print changed. You did mescaline."

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       Ooh.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell15:16

       That's, we're lucky it's in the piss. But-

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       Yeah.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell15:19

       But also if you really think about the fact that we are in a world (laughs) where people have to go to work, to do a job, that by the way, man, if there is a dude you need to get on this podcast and does a book that you would love, David Graeber wrote this book called Bullshit Jobs. This guy is a fucking genius, man. And this book, Bullshit Jobs, breaks down the phenomena of, uh, how many, many people are working in jobs that don't do anything for the world or the company they're working for. And it's not like this judgmental thing where he's like, "You, that's a bullshit job, you're a blah, blah, blah." He's, one of the, he's like a anthropologist, so he's very precise. But one of the qualifications for your job to be a bullshit job is you know that it's really kind of a worthless job. It's not really doing anything. And like the companies have gotten so fucking big that, uh, they, they end up having like departments or people running departments or extra employees that don't really need to be there at all. And they have to pretend to be, to work. That's what he writes about. He's, he, he, he writes that the, if you really want to torture a person, uh, not only give them like the job of like, you know, pouring a glass of water in an empty glass and pouring it back. But then add to it that they have to deceive their boss into thinking that they're like doing an important job or they lose their job. So these, not only are these like s- some corporations and companies scanning your piss to see if you're taking a substance that is allowing you to connect with h- uh, home, what you actually are. They are also demanding that you spend many hours a day lying to them that you're doing work that you're not doing. Like if you're fucking efficient, you know, and this is another thing, uh, Graeber writes about. Forgive me, David Graeber, if in any way I misconstrue this. I read your writings stoned. But the, and, and, but the, the, um, the, the, the other fucking element to it that is absolutely atrocious and fucking horrible is that, uh, these substances are connecting us to home, they don't want us to be in those states, and they're asking us to fucking lie all day. And you know what psychedelic means? The, the etymology of psychedelic?

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:49

       No.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell17:50

       It means mind manifesting or soul manifesting. Right? So a psychedelic connects us potentially with the truth, what we are, our identity. Right? And these companies, they're asking us to lie, to be the opposite of our ide- identities, to wear weird, a suit or s- or some kind of dress code, and to sit in a desk where because you're efficient, you get your job done in 45 minutes. And for the next six hours, you gotta sit and-... type, and pretend that you're working, knowing it... You're a person. And knowing that this is, like, unethical. You're... But if you, if you like, go and tell your boss, "Hey, man, I don't really have much to do," you might get fired. The boss might... Like, in the book, he cites one person, 'cause he did like, a survey. And he cites one person who went to her boss and she's like, "Hey, I can finish my job in two hours. I need... Can I have other stuff to do?"

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:52

       (exhales)

   19. DTDuncan Trussell18:52

       And her boss is like, "Don't talk about that. Stay quiet about that."

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:54

       Oh.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell18:56

       Yeah, man. That's the fucking world we're in right now 'cause of automation. There's less to do. Computers are making shit fast. It's... Why are we work... We're working the exact same amount of time we were when there were no computers.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:08

       But you have to be there to get paid.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell19:09

       And you have to act like you're doing something or they can you.

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:12

       Yeah.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell19:13

       So-

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       How many people right now are doing just that while they're listening to this?

   27. DTDuncan Trussell19:17

       A lot.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:18

       A lot.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell19:19

       And, and by the way-

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:20

       If you, if you had to guess- (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell30:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      (laughs)

   3. DTDuncan Trussell30:00

      And whoever wrote that fucking book hates the word mindful. Ha- ha- just r- definitely has an obnoxious friend who's into mindfulness because the, the, the book is just like a ... First of all, the, the guy doesn't seem to really understand what it is in the book. Like it's, uh ... He seems a little confused about the nature of it. But, uh, and I remember looking at that and being like, oh, I guess people are getting annoyed with the word mindfulness now. Like the pendulum's swinging that way. Yeah. I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      Yeah. It's one of those words that people love to say. It sounds good and it makes you seem like a, like a spiritual person.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell30:34

      Yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:34

      So it gets ... When a word gets moved around and used too much, like something happens to it where it gets icky-

   7. DTDuncan Trussell30:42

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:42

      'Cause it's like, it becomes popular and then people start using it. And then you see, like, a bunch of phony guru type dudes at seminars using it. "What's important here-"

   9. DTDuncan Trussell30:50

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       "... is mindfulness."

   11. DTDuncan Trussell30:51

       Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       "It's very important that we..." You know how there's, like, typically unique behaviors? You know what I mean?

   13. DTDuncan Trussell30:57

       Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Like there's, there's, there's... Especially when it comes to, like, people that are full of shit, there's like a typical uniqueness. Like, there's a, just a thing that a lot of people adopt and it sounds-

   15. DTDuncan Trussell31:08

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       ... like everyone else.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell31:10

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       And it's just a way that people do it.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell31:12

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       And, uh, I, I hope you understand, like, what are you doing?

   21. DTDuncan Trussell31:16

       Sure.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Like, why are you doing that?

   23. DTDuncan Trussell31:18

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       You're, you're adopting this weird, funky thing. And, you know, I think it's really important that we practice mindfulness.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell31:24

       Mm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       It falls into that. It falls into that.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell31:26

       Hm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Even though it's an excellent practice.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell31:28

       Well-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       It's very important.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) The DUI plant.…

   1. DTDuncan Trussell45:00

      drinking and driving, dude.

   2. (laughs) The DUI plant.

   3. Yeah, yeah.

   4. Oh my God.

   5. Yeah, yeah.

   6. Yeah.

   7. You can cultivate it. That's what's beautiful about it.

   8. Yeah.

   9. You know? You can cultivate the field. You don't have to let it just, like, have fucking weird random weeds spring up. Though let a patch or two have some weeds 'cause those are fun.

   10. Imagine spending that tobacco money.

   11. Mm-hmm.

   12. Imagine spending that money.

   13. Mm-hmm.

   14. Thinking about all that cancer. Just spending all that money.

   15. God.

   16. Just buying a big castle with all that cancer money. Look at it all. (laughs)

   17. Castle cancer.

   18. Hey, the people want it. They want it. Y- in this country, you've got the freedom to buy whatever you want.

   19. Well, yeah, right. I mean, it's a person's choice, but, but to get back to what you were just saying, the ethics of the fucking thing, how about this? Uh, how many people who run big tobacco own stock in companies that make chemotherapy drugs?

   20. Oh.

   21. There's a big question.

   22. Oh my God.

   23. Like, how many of those people in their portfolio that they barely know about, that they're like, "Well, you know, like, uh, a really big investment these days is, uh, c- gene therapy for cancer." "Really? Is cancer out of hand these days? Huh, really interesting. I wonder what could be going wrong?"

   24. The problem with cigarettes is that they're addictive.

   25. Well, th-

   26. Not just that they kill you-

   27. Yeah.

   28. ... but that they're addictive. Like, I- I've smoked-

   29. Sure.

   30. ... a cigarette before and it gives you a head rush.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yes, sir. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Do you know they're gonna start to make Harley motherfucking Davidson motorcycles in Thailand?

   2. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:04

      Yes, sir.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      Yeah. What kind of shit is that, huh?

   4. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:07

      I don't-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      That's a goddamn American bike-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:09

      I don't know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      ... and they're making it over in fucking Asia. Why?

   8. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:11

      All right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      Because the people in the factory over here didn't kick ass. Okay? They're over in the fucking park taking their magic mushrooms and tripping balls, when they should be thinking about how to keep this company active. This company feeds and houses-

   10. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:26

       Yes, sir.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       ... 150 families.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:27

       Yes, sir.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       You understand that?

   14. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:28

       Yes, sir. I-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       Now it's 100. Are you happy?

   16. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:31

       No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       You still want a fucking raise?

   18. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:33

       Sir, before I forget, I picked up your prescription for OxyCo-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       Speed!

   20. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:37

       ... O- OxyContin.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       I'm on speed, motherfucker.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:40

       There you go. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       I don't take another Oxy bullshit.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:41

       Yeah. You're-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       That's for pussies.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:43

       Yeah. Yeah. You're on Adderall, you're on methamphetamine.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       Yeah. 100%.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:46

       Well, so yeah, right. So-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       So devil and devil out.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:49

       So right. So the answer t- to it is that, uh, oh, I'm talking to you? Oh, well, here's the problem, sir. You don't realize this, but you're kind of a low level priest in a, in a religion that has spread far and wide. And in this religion, uh, it's not really the, the, the money that you're interested in as much as it is the power, because you've become a servant of a being called the Demiurge, which is, uh, essentially attempting to create a sort of authoritarian hierarchy in this particular dimension that's been separated from another place known as the galactic... You can call it whatever the fuck you want, but it's the aliens. It's a galactic civilization that is about to, uh, pour into this civilization and so it really doesn't matter what you do, because within the next 20 or 30 years through technology and through the unification of people because of the tech- that technology, you're gonna either come to our side or go completely insane.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:15:56

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:00

      how to do modular synthesis, like I have Modular Synths, they're badass. It's like for making music, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:06

      Mm-hmm.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:06

      I'm 44. I'm not, like, thinking to myself, like, "Man, one day I'm gonna be fucking Bassnectar." I'm not thinking that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:13

      (laughs)

   5. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:13

      You know what I mean? I don't, I don't-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:14

      Right.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:14

      ... I don't even think I'll, uh, I'll, uh, perform live with him ever. But I'm, I, I, I got sucked into it and now I'm taking it seriously, so I'm learning how to do it for real. Like, and then that pulls you into, like, music theory, right? So now-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:29

      Yeah.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:29

      ... you start looking at, well, what is a song and why does a song, w- why is a song set up like it is and what are notes and what's a tone, right? What's an oscillator? What are these things? And then, like, from that you get pulled into, like, Pythagoras, you know? Like, and then suddenly you're, like, reading, like, shit by Pythagoras who, like, had another great quote which is, "Do not take the roads traveled by the public." That's pretty awesome. Which means-

Episode duration: 2:58:01