Joe Rogan Experience #1138 - Ted Nugent

1. 0:00 – 3:24

   Target panic, shot sequence, and archery as “zen” focus

   1. TNTed Nugent0:00

      ... Morgan.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Yeah.

   3. TNTed Nugent0:00

      The masters are out there.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      I use one of three, two, one (snaps fingers) , boom, and we're live. We're just talking about target panic, ladies and gentlemen.

   5. TNTed Nugent0:06

      Sure.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Most people don't know about all that.

   7. TNTed Nugent0:07

      It's like, uh, um, uh, uh, erectile dysfunction for archery.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      It's panic. It's panic, right?

   9. TNTed Nugent0:12

      Yeah, (laughs) panic.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:13

       You're freaking. Yeah.

   11. TNTed Nugent0:13

       Just because you want that arrow to go so bad. By the way, thanks for having me on here.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       My pleasure.

   13. TNTed Nugent0:18

       I understand from all the input I get from all my intelligent friends that you deserve me.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Oh, I'm excited about this.

   15. TNTed Nugent0:24

       So we'll have a good time. We'll have a good time.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Well, your, your assistant reached out and said, "I think-"

   17. TNTed Nugent0:28

       My people reach out, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       She said, "I think you'll have more in common with Ted than you realize."

   19. TNTed Nugent0:33

       Yeah. That was-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       That was her, that was her pitch.

   21. TNTed Nugent0:35

       Truth, logic, common sense-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Hmm.

   23. TNTed Nugent0:36

       ... spirit, physics of, uh, the American dream.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Perhaps controversial and misunderstood people?

   25. TNTed Nugent0:43

       Uh, yes. Boy, we're surrounded.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Oh, maybe both of us.

   27. TNTed Nugent0:45

       Clusterfuck ring any bells?

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah. Yeah, indeed.

   29. TNTed Nugent0:48

       Yes, indeed.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       So, uh, yeah. So target panic, I got lucky in that, uh, I got hooked up with John Dudley early before I developed target panic.
2. 3:24 – 5:57

   Ted’s upbringing: discipline, sobriety, and learning through hunting

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:24

      I know.

   2. TNTed Nugent3:25

      No matter what you do, and I've done this since the '60s when the hippies were trying to get me stoned, I'm going, "No, no, that's not what you wanna do. What you wanna do is get a bow and arrow. What you wanna do is escape what you're trying to escape, the pressures. The pressures, fuck those pressures. You, be the source of pressure, not the receiver of pressure." And my dad raised me, my dad was a drill sergeant. (laughs) God bless that son of a bitch. (laughs) He was awesome. I hated him. Discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline, especially at the archery range. And so I learned archery, and when I'm playing guitar and I'm playing all this outrageous Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, uh, Little Richard stuff, and everybody is getting high and drunk, and they're really great musicians, and the more high and the more drunk they got, they became less great musicians until the point where they weren't even musicians anymore. And so I would escape that, and I was 11, 12, and there was no hippies, it was beatniks. And I'd get back to my little house in Redford and on the Rouge River in Detroit, and I'd get that little bow and arrow and I'd go down to Skunk Hollow and hit a river rat. (sniffs) And even as a stupid, mushy brained idiot child, I was able to... Little l- the long bow, no recurves yet, you know? I could shoot a rat in the eye because I had no baggage yet. I hadn't developed any social baggage.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      Hmm.

   4. TNTed Nugent4:52

      And that has served me so-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:54

      The many minds.

   6. TNTed Nugent4:55

      Well, too many mi-

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:56

      Yeah.

   8. TNTed Nugent4:57

      No minds.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:57

      Right.

   10. TNTed Nugent4:58

       Spirit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       But that, that's the baggage.

   12. TNTed Nugent4:59

       Yeah, too many mi- And I think-

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       Yeah.

   14. TNTed Nugent5:01

       What is it?

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       Do you think... That, that's a thing that people who don't shoot arrows, when you start talking about this, they don't really understand what you're saying. I know exactly what you're saying, but for a lot of people, this is a very misunderstood subject, right?

   16. TNTed Nugent5:11

       Yep.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       That, that, that, that this is a meditation. There's a meditation involved in this.

   18. TNTed Nugent5:15

       It's absolute meditate. You ha- It's out of body. The ultimate arrow, like the ultimate guitar lick. I suspect, uh, a comedian on stage, which I qualify, um, y- you can't be thinking of your routine. It's gotta flow. I mean, I was in the presence of Sam Kinison for 50, 60 spontaneous performances, and Robin Williams at The Comedy Store, and lit- and, and, uh, Richard Pryor, you see... Remember I me- mentioned a moment ago I've been on the mountain top with Bill Stropp and the Broncos and Parnelli Jones taught me to race. I played bass for Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley. I mean, I married Mrs. Nugent. I mean, I've been to the peak of peaks available to mankind. I hunted with Fred Fucking Bear.

3. 5:57 – 14:14

   Fred Bear, Ishi, and the origins of modern bowhunting

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:57

      When did you do that? How old were you?

   2. TNTed Nugent5:58

      I met... I was five or six, I met him. He was, started the brand new archery shop in Grayling, Michigan. My dad was already a follower before I was born.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:05

      Explain to people who he is because-

   4. TNTed Nugent6:07

      Fred Bear.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:07

      ... people who are uninitiated-

   6. TNTed Nugent6:09

      ... powerful story.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:10

      He's like the Richard Pryor of archery.

   8. TNTed Nugent6:12

      Yes. Ex- He- I was expecting his afro to catch fire any moment.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:16

      (laughs)

   10. TNTed Nugent6:17

       (laughs) It was awesome. So I'm already into bows and arrows. I didn't know who Fred Bear was. I really was just getting, you know, baptized by the Chuck Berry/Bo Diddley electronic guitar orgy. And in that f- late '40s, early '50s, it was a firestorm of defiance and rebellion musically manifested. But Roy Weatherby was going beyond the 30-30, which everybody used for deer hunting, and it was a good 100 yard. And if a real marksman, real zen marksman could shoot a 30-30 200-plus yards, whether open sights or scope. And marksmanship and sniper discipline was a powerful force in a hunting family and in all families. Every family I knew, we all shot every weekend, pistols, shotguns, rifles, .22s, hunting woodchucks in Fryeburg, Pennsylvania, with the Targetmaster Remington Single Shot Bolt .22, 22 shorts, 25 cents a box at the dry goods store. It was awesome. (laughs) And, and we... My dad taught me to shoot him in the eye. Aim small, miss small. Breathe. Sight acquisition. You have a responsibility to kill that animal outright. If you're gonna utilize that precious gift of flesh and fur, body fluids and bone, you better kill him clean because you're a reasoning predator. You have a moral, intellectual, and spiritual obligation to kill your dinner humanely and cleanly. Duh. And so that marksmanship routine was developing with ballistic Ted Nugent Ballistically Maximized Firepower. And Roy W-

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       Is that what that stands for?

   12. TNTed Nugent7:51

       I-

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       I thought it said bad motherfucker.

   14. TNTed Nugent7:54

       You know, that has a ring to it. Maybe that's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       Yeah.

   16. TNTed Nugent7:56

       Maybe that's what it could...

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       All right.

   18. TNTed Nugent7:58

       So, all right, anyhow, so, uh, Fred Bear.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       Fred Bear.

   20. TNTed Nugent8:01

       So Roy Weatherby was extending long-range marksmanship and developing the, the famous Weatherby magnums with more powder, more efficient burning powder, um, better primers, better designed ballistic bullets that would cut air better and go flatter longer, better trajectory and velocity. And so it was fun to shoot that deer or a bullseye at 100 yards. That takes a lot of trigger control and, and discipline. But now Roy Weatherby was creating Weatherby magnums, the 300 Weatherby magnums, shot 180-grain bullet at a... 32, 3400 feet a second, which was unheard of. And so you could aim small, miss small, and if you really got that really intricate, meticulous triggered, uh, smoothness, you could shoot 1,000 yards once you learned the trajectory of your gun. However, 1911, the last of the Yani Indians, Ishi, was discovered in Oroville Ca- I can't believe I remember all this. In Oroville, California, Northern California. And there was a bounty on Indians back then. You could shoot a man Indian and get 25 bucks. You shoot-

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:10

       In 1911?

   22. TNTed Nugent9:11

       Yep. They had bounties on them. And instead of shooting this Yani, this last Indian, they called the local sheriff, and they took Ishi into custody, and they called, uh, some scientists and, uh, um, paleontologists, um, from, uh, California University by the name of, uh, uh, Saxton Pope. And Saxton Pope came and studied Ishi as a, as a aboriginal

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       Saxton Pope of Pope and Young?

   24. TNTed Nugent9:41

       That's right. And then he contacted his buddy, Art Young, who also studied in that genre. And they discovered Ishi and the... They were fascinated by his stealthy awareness of the wilderness and his archery control, with his funny little style of shooting the bow with his thumb and getting close and doing a ice cold river bathing before the hunt to cleanse himself to be worthy of the beast. So Fred Bear witnessed the film that Pope and Young eventually made of them becoming consumed with the mystical flight of the arrow. Now this was in the '20s and '30s, and they put a newsreel out and went all over the country and showed this newsreel of Hunting with the Bow and Arrow by Saxton Pope and Art Young, shooting grizzly bears in Yosemite and going to Africa, filling lions full of arrows 'cause they (laughs) , they weren't really as good as Ishi so they'd fling a lot of arrows, and these animals were pretty relaxed, almost tame, because they'd never been hunted like that before. And so Fred Bear come from Pennsylvania around that time, um, to work at the FoMo Company, uh, building cabinets for the new radio they just invented and the wood dashboards for the Ford Motor Company, and he was also making bows, uh, handmade yew wood and or- osage orange bows in his little archery shop with Nels Grumley. I can't believe I remembered it. Nels Grumley, one of the greatest bowyers of all time. So my dad got the archery bug because Fred defied the trend of easier hunting, easier long range. You didn't have to be very stealthy to shoot a deer at 500 yards. They don't even know you're there. All you have to do is be a disciplined marksman, which is a discipline and a great accomplishment unto itself. And it was a new challenge for long-range ballistic capability. Well, Pope and Young and a handful, Fred Bear and Nels Grumley, went and saw this newsreel of these guys, these doctors, these, uh, uh, professors hunting all over the world with these handmade bows, and Fred was already into it, and he goes, "I'll be damned. This... I didn't realize you could do that." And so now people, after seeing the Pope and Young newsreel, started asking Fred to make bows, and it sp- it spread, so he started the Bear Archery Company, m- late 20s, early 30s. And he moved to Grayling up in the northern part of Michigan, where the wilderness was, and they had cut down all the trees so there was this new growth of ideal wildlife habitat 'cause m- not many animals can live in an old growth forest, an owl or two, but you need low-level...... escape sanctuary and browse that the animals can, uh, access. And so Fred was now promoting archery in Michigan, won all the, uh, uh, national field archery champs- championships along with Ann Marston. It's awesome. And so my dad was a follower because he'd come back from World War II and he needed that escape. He needed that cleansing to get away from that horror, which is why they never talked about it. And so we'd go up north every year, October 1st, the Nugent family in the Ford station wagon and I had my little bow and arrow with the suction cups and I'd shoot stuffed animals off the couch, but my dad would walk the woods with his real bow and we'd stop at this little, uh, uh, brick shack that said Baer Archery and I had no idea. And so I was already into bows and arrows, shooting all the time. I was obsessed. I was going down to the river every day, no baseball, no football, no hockey, bows and arrows, bows and arrows, critters. I think I had the songbird world slam by the time I was eight. And, uh, and so now I'm meeting this tall, lanky gentleman named Fred Baer. It didn't register with me until I started seeing him on the cover of True Magazine and sporting magazines and, and Life Magazine with a grizzly bear and an elephant and a tiger and a lion in the news reels. And I'm going, "I'm shooting river rats," which is so thrilling, I can't even describe it, and here's this long, lanky, tall, lanky guy that was building bows in this r- rus- rustic shop in northern Michigan on my way to my favorite thing in life, October 1st, opening day of archery season, as a six, seven, eight-year-old boy and we'd have chocolate milk and cherry pie with this Fred Baer guy. Now it's registering. This is the Chuck Berry of bow hunting. This is it. This is the guy. So I became enamored with him, and he was kind to me and he'd show me stuff, but I got to hang out with him as I grew. By the time I was 16, we moved to Chicago because my dad got transferred, but I got to visit with Fred Baer at least every other October.

4. 14:14 – 18:19

   Rockstar meets bowhunter: touring life, stealth, and becoming a hunting ambassador

   1. TNTed Nugent14:14

      Never hunted with him. And I'm now, I started Amboy Dukes. I'd already had a great band, won the Battle of the Bands in Michigan with the Lords. We opened up for The Supremes and The Beau Brummels at Cobo Hall. Wow. And so now I'm in Chicago, shooting my bow and arrow all the time, started the Amboy Dukes, playing like a madman, graduated in '67, went back to Michigan the- two years later and immediately went up to Grating where now there's this huge cathedral, Baer Archery, and Fred Baer is like the dude. He's like the sporting dude because he taught the long-range marksmen that there is an intimacy. There's a- a better learning process and more important lesson to not kill the animal, but to understand your relationship with the animal and to try to use those God-given gifts I mentioned a moment ago to penetrate the otherwise impenetrable defense system of game, because they are sneaky, elusive, crafty. God made them to get away from guitar players with sharp sticks. And so this caught on because people go, "You know, I kill my deer every year with my 30-30 now with the 30-06 and Roy Bre- Weatherby long range. I wonder if I'm a badass enough to get close to a deer with a bow and arrow." So it caught on like wildfire. And they made the first... Fred got the first legal season in Michigan at the Allegan State Park on November 1st, 19, uh, 47 where George Nichols, my buddy, got the first legal buck in Michigan with a bow and arrow on that morning. And so I knew, these are the guys I hang with. These were the founders. These were the... You were- I was at the Concord Bridge of Archery.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:53

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TNTed Nugent15:53

      And so Fred em- embraced me and he was real suspicious of the long-haired, hippie-looking, you know, rocking maniac, Motor City madman, but all of his friends went, "No, no, he's not into drugs. He's, in fact, he's anti-drug and he's always promoting archery." I shot my bow and arrow on stage forever. I'd shoot flaming arrows at skulls in a big illegal, I think it was a felony, a big turkey vulture I had stuffed, but it looked great back-lit, you know?

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:19

      (laughs)

   5. TNTed Nugent16:19

      And I'd shoot that fucker off the amps at night and people didn't know whether to shit or go blind (laughs) as this wild man screaming at the bird lands going (screams) just making all this outrageous racket and I come out with a bow and arrow and a flaming arrow and blow up a turkey vulture. Yeah, like what more do you want? And so Fred loo- got- looked past the insanity of the fear factor of rock and roll and he finally admitted to me, he said, "Every sporting goods show I go to, Ted, all the young people, anybody under 30, all they want to know if... is if I know Ted Nugent." Because that was the first time they ever saw a bow and arrow. And they read my in- do my interviews about the- the spirit, the cleansing of escaping the insanity of whatever your job description might be, mine being maniacal rock and roll. I need to shut the fuck up. Take a deep breath. Get my bow and arrow. Let my guitars breed, head back to the woods and live and- and remember who I am and what I'm here for, and I never killed a deer. I was just a little too uppity and we didn't know what we were doing back then. But-

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:33

      You were too uppity?

   7. TNTed Nugent17:35

      You think?

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:35

      What do you mean?

   9. TNTed Nugent17:36

      I just... I'm high energy. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:38

       So you're too-

   11. TNTed Nugent17:40

       I do- I-

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       Too loud, too... Right.

   13. TNTed Nugent17:40

       I wasn't the stealthy guy. Well, I don't know about too loud. I mean, I could walk ru- I learned from Fred, I learned that walk toe first and I learned to go around anything you... instead of stepping over and to stay in the shadows, so I knew the maneuvers, but coming out of a tour and playing 350 nights a year and then you get a couple days off during November and you get the bow and arrow, it's hard to go from that to-

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       Right. Total silence.

   15. TNTed Nugent18:04

       This. But you know what, Joe?

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:06

       What?

   17. TNTed Nugent18:07

       I've mastered it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       Oh, I know you have.

   19. TNTed Nugent18:10

       Finally. I mean, I did by the-

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:12

       Well, you've been- you've been doing it for a long time.

   21. TNTed Nugent18:14

       ... by the '60s. By the '60s I, I don't know about mastered it, you'll never master it, but I've mastered the transition.

5. 18:19 – 22:19

   Why bowhunting: “fun,” sport, and redefining ‘trophy’

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:19

      What do you say- what do you say when people... Like, the- one of the arguments about hunting that people bring up is why would you use a bow and arrow? A bow and arrow is not as effective. If you wanted to kill something, you should use a gun. There's people that don't hunt that think that hunting should only be one thing and it should only be killing the animal for meat.... whereas I think that someone who hunts definitely kills the animal for meat.

   2. TNTed Nugent18:39

      Always.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:39

      But there's more, there's more to the whole thing. And-

   4. TNTed Nugent18:42

      Have you ever seen me expound on that fun, sport, meat-

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:47

      Yeah.

   6. TNTed Nugent18:47

      ... trophy? You can't hunt without having fun, or you won't do it. It's fun to challenge yourself. It's fun to get up in the dark of the morning.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:53

      But some people have a problem with that word, right?

   8. TNTed Nugent18:55

      Well, they, they can kiss my ass.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:56

      (laughs)

   10. TNTed Nugent18:57

       If it didn't... If it wasn't fun, none of us would do it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:59

       I understand your, your, your take on it, they can kiss, kiss your ass, but you... It means something to you. It's not as simple as, like, "Fuck you. This is just how I'm gonna do it."

   12. TNTed Nugent19:09

       Oh, it's deep, deep fun.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:10

       Yeah.

   14. TNTed Nugent19:10

       Is, is being the greatest basketball three-point shooter, isn't that fun?

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       Must be.

   16. TNTed Nugent19:16

       Discipline. He wouldn't do it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:17

       Yeah.

   18. TNTed Nugent19:17

       But it's al- it's always fun. It's... Because it's invigorating.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:21

       Right, and the bow hunting-

   20. TNTed Nugent19:22

       And-

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:22

       ... is more invigorating.

   22. TNTed Nugent19:23

       Because it's so difficult.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       It's so difficult.

   24. TNTed Nugent19:25

       It's borderline impossible.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:27

       Yeah.

   26. TNTed Nugent19:27

       Fun, sport (laughs) . "Well, I don't think sport hunting is good. You shouldn't have sport." How can you hunt without sport?

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:34

       But don't you think there's just too many of these words are poisoned? There's like, like-

   28. TNTed Nugent19:38

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:38

       ... trophy hunting. By idio-

   30. TNTed Nugent19:39

       Like that term trophy hunting.
6. 22:19 – 49:25

   Debating vegans, factory farming, and what “cruelty-free” really means

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:19

      Have you ever had to have a reasonable conversation with someone who's anti-hunting? Have you ever, like, sat down-

   2. TNTed Nugent22:23

      Often!

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:23

      Yeah?

   4. TNTed Nugent22:23

      Often! Absolu- And, and to the man and woman, and I mean adamant, vagin until I explain to them, well-

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:30

      Vagin, I like that.

   6. TNTed Nugent22:31

      Vegan, but-

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:31

      Veg-in, whatever it is.

   8. TNTed Nugent22:32

      Vagin, veg-in (laughs) . I can't even pronounce it, much less-

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:34

      (laughs) It barely comes out of your mouth.

   10. TNTed Nugent22:35

       ... figure it out.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:36

       (laughs)

   12. TNTed Nugent22:37

       Very... So stupid.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:38

       (laughs)

   14. TNTed Nugent22:38

       By the way, my son Rocco-

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:40

       Mm-hmm.

   16. TNTed Nugent22:41

       ... who I love beyond description?

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       Yep.

   18. TNTed Nugent22:43

       Vegan.

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:44

       No.

   20. TNTed Nugent22:44

       Yes. He has di-

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:45

       He looks like he needs to eat more.

   22. TNTed Nugent22:46

       Yeah. Well, (laughs) actually, I... When he's asleep, I try to shove a backstrap up his ass, but he re-

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:52

       (laughs)

   24. TNTed Nugent22:52

       He's got more muscles than I do. Anyhow, uh, my point is, is that when I-

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:57

       How did that h- how did he become vegan? 'Cause he's a hunter.

   26. TNTed Nugent22:59

       He has a dige- he has a dige- and he is a great hunter. He doesn't like to hunt anymore. He's decided not to. He's, uh, killed great deer, great hogs.

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:06

       I've seen him on your TV show.

   28. TNTed Nugent23:07

       Ducks. Yeah, he's a great hunter. But he dec- he decided he does not want to take part in the harvest. I respect it completely. But if-

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:16

       Good for you.

   30. TNTed Nugent23:17

       ... if you really want to kill the most things, be a vegan, because the farmers who protect your beans kill everything. I kill one animal per arrow. In order to grow tofu, you have to kill every ground squirrel, every vole, every shrew, every snake, every turtle, every frog, every bird, every rabbit. Anything that gets in that bean field, I'm either gonna plow and dismember, which is why the crows and the, and the seagulls-
7. 49:25 – 54:16

   Clean eating, sugar as ‘poison,’ and Ted’s longevity fuel

   1. TNTed Nugent49:25

      70 years old and-... I'm forced to reckon with because of my disciplined diet of the ultimate rocket fuel available on planet Earth.

   2. JRJoe Rogan49:34

      You really do look good for 70.

   3. TNTed Nugent49:36

      So if I had-

   4. JRJoe Rogan49:36

      You look fucking fantastic.

   5. TNTed Nugent49:37

      If I had some sleep, I'd be downright handsome.

   6. JRJoe Rogan49:39

      (laughs)

   7. TNTed Nugent49:40

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan49:40

      But you think about, you know, the average person that's been eating the average American diet for 70 years-

   9. TNTed Nugent49:45

      Oh.

   10. JRJoe Rogan49:46

       ... by the time they're your age, they're deteriorating rapidly.

   11. TNTed Nugent49:49

       The poison, the fructose, the, the chemicals, the preservatives. Oh, my ... Here's ... If I may, on the Joe Rogan podcast-

   12. JRJoe Rogan49:55

       Please do.

   13. TNTed Nugent49:56

       ... my friends, get rid of the goddamn sugar.

   14. JRJoe Rogan50:02

       Thank you.

   15. TNTed Nugent50:02

       If you can't pronounce it on the package, do not buy it. Do not feed your children high fructose poisoning. My God, people. Get the poisons out of your blubberous lives. Good food is so simple. Buy a f- well, catch a fish or buy a fish. Buy some fresh or grow some fresh vegetables. Put real butter and use the real fat. Don't take the skin off the chicken. That's where all the good fat is.

   16. JRJoe Rogan50:39

       (laughs)

   17. TNTed Nugent50:39

       That's where all the flavor is. And eat real food. "Well, we can't afford that." No, you can't afford not to! Everything that says diet on it or no sugar is poison. It's not my opinion. It's a chemical reality. And when you, when you die- when you attempt to digest fructose and preservatives, your body goes, "I don't recognize this bullshit! We can't process this!" And it turns into blubber.

   18. JRJoe Rogan51:08

       Blubber.

   19. TNTed Nugent51:08

       And here's a little update. Blubber is for sperm whales, not people. If you have to lift up slabs to dry off after the shower, your diet sucks.

   20. JRJoe Rogan51:21

       I saw you in an interview once a long time ago. It was before I started watching your show.

   21. TNTed Nugent51:24

       I've been ... I've done a bunch, haven't I?

   22. JRJoe Rogan51:26

       I know you have.

   23. NANarrator51:26

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan51:26

       But when I saw you, I was like, "How's this guy have so much fucking energy?" I remember thinking that. I'm like, "This guy's so fired up." And then you started talking about your diet. You started talking about ... You said, "All I eat is venison."

   25. TNTed Nugent51:36

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan51:36

       You started going off about backstraps. And then I started thinking, like, what ... Like, think about the dark red meat of wild game, like-

   27. TNTed Nugent51:43

       And this is before you became a hunter, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan51:45

       Oh, yeah.

   29. TNTed Nugent51:45

       Yeah.

   30. NANarrator51:45

       Mm-hmm.
8. 54:16 – 1:32:42

   Marijuana, discipline, and medical legalization (plus knees and recovery)

   1. TNTed Nugent54:16

      And if hunting is that boring, I think I'll just smoke some dope and go, you know, cruising tonight. Which I know you like to smoke your dope and-

   2. JRJoe Rogan54:25

      Listen, I like dope.

   3. TNTed Nugent54:25

      And, uh ... And I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan54:25

      I don't call it dope, though.

   5. TNTed Nugent54:26

      And go nuts.

   6. JRJoe Rogan54:27

      Cops call it dope.

   7. TNTed Nugent54:27

      What do you call it?

   8. JRJoe Rogan54:28

      Marijuana.

   9. TNTed Nugent54:28

      Well, I'm a cop.

   10. JRJoe Rogan54:29

       Yeah, there you go.

   11. TNTed Nugent54:30

       (laughs) Well, but, but-

   12. JRJoe Rogan54:33

       Pot.

   13. TNTed Nugent54:33

       But I got buddies, and I'm not gonna condemn you for that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan54:36

       Pot's misunderstood too.

   15. TNTed Nugent54:36

       I, I just don't think that Comfortably Numb is the way to go. In fact, I have a song-

   16. JRJoe Rogan54:40

       It's a great song.

   17. TNTed Nugent54:41

       I have a ... Well, you wanna know a better song?

   18. JRJoe Rogan54:43

       Sure.

   19. TNTed Nugent54:43

       It's on my new record. It's called Uncomfortably Dumb.

   20. JRJoe Rogan54:46

       Oh.

   21. TNTed Nugent54:46

       And my point is, is ... Are you a father?

   22. JRJoe Rogan54:49

       Yes.

   23. TNTed Nugent54:49

       You want your babysitter high?

   24. JRJoe Rogan54:51

       Uh, no.

   25. TNTed Nugent54:52

       Oh, how about your doctor?

   26. JRJoe Rogan54:53

       No, but I don't want my-

   27. TNTed Nugent54:54

       How about your pilot?

   28. JRJoe Rogan54:54

       I don't want my babysitter sleeping either.

   29. TNTed Nugent54:57

       You don't want her what?

   30. JRJoe Rogan54:57

       Sleeping. I want them paying attention. You know what I'm saying?

Episode duration: 3:31:00