Joe Rogan Experience #1156 - Jimmy Dore

1. 0:03 – 2:23

   Henry Rollins, Putin, and the Chomsky “Nuremberg” frame

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      In four, three, two, one. Hey, Jimmy.

   2. JDJimmy Dore0:09

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      What's up? (laughs)

   4. JDJimmy Dore0:11

      (laughs) Hi, Joe. How you doing, buddy?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      I'm doing good. Now we're on the radio.

   6. JDJimmy Dore0:14

      Fantastic. It's 3:31.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      All right.

   8. JDJimmy Dore0:16

      Uh, 29 minutes before four o'clock.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Here's Val with the weather.

   10. JDJimmy Dore0:19

       (laughs) Hot, hot as fuck.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Back to you, Jimmy.

   12. JDJimmy Dore0:22

       So, Val, so, uh, we got a car fire in the breakdown lane.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       So you were getting emotional in the green room-

   14. JDJimmy Dore0:28

       Oh.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       ... listening to Henry Rollins talk about Putin. You were about to quote Chomsky. Like, what-

   16. JDJimmy Dore0:32

       Yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       What was that?

   18. JDJimmy Dore0:33

       So he was, uh, I just caught the end of it. I s- went in the green room and I, like, you know, everybody loves Henry Rollins, right? And, um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       'Cept Henry. (laughs)

   20. JDJimmy Dore0:41

       (laughs) Oh, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       That's why he's so good.

   22. JDJimmy Dore0:42

       (Laughs) Maybe that, maybe.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       He's, he's constantly grinding, you know?

   24. JDJimmy Dore0:45

       Yeah, but he was doing that thing about, uh, oh, Putin, you know, there was a journalist who wrote a book about him, ended up dead.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JDJimmy Dore0:51

       Putin's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. As opposed to who? (wheezes)

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Well, no, but he, you, you mean he's definitely a bad guy, right? We all agree to that.

   28. JDJimmy Dore0:59

       Yeah. Who, of course.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Yes, but, I mean, just because other people are also-

   30. JDJimmy Dore1:03

       (laughs)
2. 2:23 – 4:25

   Israel/Palestine, “Russia hysteria,” and who really influences U.S. politics

   1. JDJimmy Dore2:23

      With no due process. And so it, nobody has a problem with Trump being buddy-buddies with Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a psychopathic maniac who shoots, who shoots with precision, uh, uh, uh, uh, medics who are ch- trying to help people, and nurses, and journalists, by the way.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      Well, he doesn't, but some Israeli troops have done that.

   3. JDJimmy Dore2:41

      Right, Israeli troops do that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:43

      That's a dis- a really depressing thing. You know, I had Abby Martin on, and she sort of illuminated that whole situation to me. I really didn't know how bad it was, nor did she until she went over there.

   5. JDJimmy Dore2:53

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:54

      And, you know, just experiencing what it's like, the, the, the... It's crazy that people that went through the Holocaust, that realized the cost of dehumanizing an entire race of people now are capable, at least some of them are capable of doing that to the Palestinians.

   7. JDJimmy Dore3:11

      Yeah, and it's, and it's, it's kind of mind-blowing. So when, to hear... And I have friends who do that. Everyone's doing this, right? Everyone's getting caught up in this hysteria. That's why there's a word called hysteria, 'cause it happens, and we're in one. And, you know, uh, what I like is what Noam Chomsky said about this Russia hysteria that's happening. He said, "If you care about effects on our pristine elections," which he said very sarcastically, he said, "If you care about what's affecting our pristine elections, the Russia gate is the last place I would look." And the first place he would look, if you're worried about foreign, uh, uh, uh, control of, or influence on our government, he said he would look to Israel. They're the ones... Benjamin Netanyahu came here and addressed the joint, uh, uh, session of Congress without the permission or invitation of the president. Remember when Obama was president and he did that? He did that. That's a guy coming here to tell our guys how to vote in direct defiance of our president, and everyone embraced him. Can you imagine if Putin did that? Putin came to America and addressed a joint session of Congress against the will of the president? So this idea that somehow because Putin is a bad guy, Trump shouldn't have a good friendship with him is BS. The guys who are really influencing our government here are Benjamin Netanyahu. Saudi Arabia, b- Trump opened eight businesses in Saudi Arabia during the election (laughs) and no one gives a crap about any of that stuff-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:25

      (laughs)

3. 4:25 – 5:40

   Yemen war, war crimes, and the “farce” of global human-rights institutions

   1. JDJimmy Dore4:25

      ... because they're our friends. Saudi Arabia, by the way, just bombed a school today, a school bus, 29 kids dead.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:32

      Huh?

   3. JDJimmy Dore4:32

      So, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:32

      Why did they do that?

   5. JDJimmy Dore4:33

      I just retweeted that from Sara Abdullah. So, uh, why would they do that? Because they're in Yemen. They're do, they're, they're bombing, we, we're committing genocide in Ye- Yemen right now, so we're helping Saudi Arabia commit a genocide in Yemen. And the way we're doing it is they're doing a thing called siege warfare, which is a war crime. And we just, in fact, they just prosecuted someone a few months ago in, uh, uh, at The Hague for it. So, but we're, since we're doing it and we're the enforcers... And Saudi Arabia's on the Human Rights Council. So it's just this, everything's a joke now, right? So we've, we're past it, where it's a farce. We're living in this farce. And so when I see a guy that I love, like Henry Rollins, um, saying stuff like, "Oh, Putin's this special kind of bad," I just quote back Chomsky. We're, there, we have nothing... We have lit- legit war criminals just one presidency away. Uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:19

      Do you think he's a step removed from that, though? I mean, he, he'll assassinate journalists in his own country who criticize him.

   7. JDJimmy Dore5:26

      Right now, right now, we're trying to assassinate Julian Assange. Right now, our government-

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      Do you think we're trying to assassinate him?

   9. JDJimmy Dore5:30

      Right. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       Is that what they're trying to do?

   11. JDJimmy Dore5:31

       Yes. They're trying to kill that guy. (laughs) Yes, they want, uh, that guy dead. Hi- Hillary Clinton was like, "Can't we drone that guy? Can't we kill him?"

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:38

       Yeah, she really did say that.

   13. JDJimmy Dore5:39

       Yeah, she really did say that-

4. 5:40 – 10:41

   Gaddafi’s brutal death, personal trauma, and the psychology of violence

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:40

      Yeah.

   2. JDJimmy Dore5:40

      ... after she just got done killing Gaddafi (laughs) and then laughed about it. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:44

      Yeah. Yeah, that, that's, we've played that several times.

   4. JDJimmy Dore5:46

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      We came, we saw, he died.

   6. JDJimmy Dore5:49

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:49

      Ha ha ha. The fact that any human being would ever do that-... that she... And by the way, the way he died, that's some dark shit. They watched them, they stabbed him in the asshole-

   8. JDJimmy Dore5:59

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:00

      ... and, uh, there's a video of them stabbing him in the asshole while he's standing there, just confused, not knowing what they're doing. This guy's jamming a sword up his ass.

   10. JDJimmy Dore6:07

       Have you seen the video?

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       Yes.

   12. JDJimmy Dore6:08

       Oh, I have not seen that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Oh my God, it's awful. You wanna see it?

   14. JDJimmy Dore6:11

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       The video of them capturing him is fascinating because it's a guy who has lived with an iron fist-

   16. JDJimmy Dore6:18

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       ... controlled these people, been a brutal dictator, been a- a- a horrible monster of a human being. Now all of a sudden these rebels have captured him and they can't believe they have him, and they're shooting him and stabbing him, and- and then eventually they have his body and they parade his body around after they've killed him. But there's- there's- there's video of him. Should look at it for- just for a moment, 'cause it's so stunning to see him captured and alive and can't believe that these rebels have him, that it's not even- it's not even, like-

   18. JDJimmy Dore6:46

       Yeah. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       ... y- you know-

   20. JDJimmy Dore6:48

       I have seen video of him captured and- and that look on his face-

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JDJimmy Dore6:51

       ... so I know what you're talking about.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       Just the guy shoving, like, a sw-

   24. JDJimmy Dore6:53

       But I did not- I can't-

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:54

       ... shoving a knife up his ass.

   26. JDJimmy Dore6:57

       I, um, I hit a dog with my car a while ago and I just can't... I have no stomach for any of that stuff anymore.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:05

       Mm-hmm.

   28. NANarrator7:05

       Yeah.

   29. JDJimmy Dore7:05

       I just, uh, I don't... So something went ha- something h- I had a real breakdown, like, I had-

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:11

       Aw.
5. 10:41 – 11:31

   Anti-war dissent, media gatekeeping, and who gets fired for opposing wars

   1. JDJimmy Dore10:41

      It's just, you know, I'm very... See, I get in a lot of trouble 'cause I'm anti-war and all wars are bullshit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:46

      How do you get in trouble 'cause you're anti-war?

   3. JDJimmy Dore10:48

      Well, for instance-

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:49

      Who's pro-war? (laughs)

   5. JDJimmy Dore10:50

      Uh, the entire establishment is pro-war. You know that. Every- every newscaster is pro-war. If you're on... If you're not pro-war, you don't get on TV. If you're against the war, you get fired like Phil Donahue, like Ed Schultz, like Jesse Ventura, like Ashley Banfield. If you're, if you tell... Like Chris Hedges. If you tell the truth about the war, you will get fired from establishment news.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:09

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JDJimmy Dore11:09

      And so-

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:09

      There's no establishment news that will let you talk openly? Other than RT. RT seems to be pretty, uh, open.

   9. JDJimmy Dore11:16

      (laughs) Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:16

       Which is really ironic.

   11. JDJimmy Dore11:17

       That's ironic, right?

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       Yeah, I mean, when Abby Martin was working for RT-

   13. JDJimmy Dore11:20

       Working for...

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       ... it was like, Jesus Christ, like, wh- how does that work?

   15. JDJimmy Dore11:23

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:23

       You know?

   17. JDJimmy Dore11:24

       Yeah. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       The Empire Files and you're working for Russia?

   19. JDJimmy Dore11:27

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:27

       Like, (laughs) you know?

   21. JDJimmy Dore11:29

       I know, it- it does seem-

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:30

       It's crazy.

6. 11:31 – 15:18

   Bernie coverage, MSNBC pressure, and the Cenk/MSNBC ‘tone’ story

   1. JDJimmy Dore11:31

      It's a crazy, crazy juxtaposition. It is weird. Ed Schultz was the one who said that, uh, you know, he was n-... He was told what to cover, what not to cover at MSNBC.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JDJimmy Dore11:39

      He was told not to cover Bernie Sanders. He wanted to cover Bernie Sanders anyway. He said that the Hillary Clinton campaign and the head of NBC News, Andy Lack, were joined at the hip and he tried to cover Bernie Sanders, he was told not to. He was yelled at by the head of MSNBC, that's how he described it. And a month later he was fired.... he was out.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:58

      Well, Cenk had a ser- a similar situation, Cenk from the Young Turks.

   5. JDJimmy Dore12:01

      Cenk, he was told that, uh, "Our friends in Washington don't like your tone." (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:06

      Oh, my God.

   7. JDJimmy Dore12:07

      That's what they told him.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:08

      That is hilarious.

   9. JDJimmy Dore12:10

      And he was winning his time slot-

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:11

       Yeah.

   11. JDJimmy Dore12:11

       ... and they told him that. And they moved him to the weekend to give Al Sharpton ... Th- this is true, this is true. So they moved him to the weekend to ... uh, and they said they wanted him to work on his presentation skills. The guy's winning his time slot. They're saying, "W- we want you to work on your presentation skills." And meanwhile, who'd they replace him with? Al Sharpton.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:29

       (laughs)

   13. JDJimmy Dore12:30

       He's got great presentation skills. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:32

       That's all Al has. I mean-

   15. JDJimmy Dore12:34

       But he's got-

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       ... he's got a nice suit on. (laughs)

   17. JDJimmy Dore12:37

       Al Sharpton, did you ever see him try to-

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:38

       (sighs)

   19. JDJimmy Dore12:38

       ... read a teleprompter? It's brutal.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       Yeah.

   21. JDJimmy Dore12:41

       I mean, he's a great orator-

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:42

       Yeah.

   23. JDJimmy Dore12:42

       ... but he's not a teleprompter reader.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:44

       No.

   25. JDJimmy Dore12:44

       And it was like, we used ... I have clips, we used to make fun all the time on my show of him.

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       (laughs)

   27. JDJimmy Dore12:48

       It was hilarious.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:49

       (laughs)

   29. JDJimmy Dore12:49

       And then, th- to find out that that's the reason they gave was because he's a better presenter. He's a better ora- he's a great orator.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       Yeah.
7. 15:18 – 19:28

   Lies, propaganda, and intelligence: Binney, ThinThread, and whistleblower punishment

   1. JDJimmy Dore15:18

      There's, why ... I, you know, I just had John Kiriakou on my show, I don't know if you-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      Who is he?

   3. JDJimmy Dore15:22

      So he is a ex-CIA guy, he went to prison because he exposed a torture program.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      Oh.

   5. JDJimmy Dore15:27

      Yeah. So Robert Mueller actually prosecuted that guy.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Whoa.

   7. JDJimmy Dore15:31

      So now he's s- he's a member of Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, VIPS. And they were, uh, th- they were invented or they were originally organized to debunk the weapons of mass destruction about Iraq. So they were, uh, intelligence professionals who knew what was happening, that this ... We were being sold a bill of goods because the military industrial complex wanted its war, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:52

      Yeah.

   9. JDJimmy Dore15:52

      And so they s- they were, like, all the top guys, Ray McGovern, Bill Binney, and they'd, and they, uh, created this organization to help debunk it. Well, no-

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       Bill Binney is the guy who was the first whistleblower for the NSA, correct?

   11. JDJimmy Dore16:04

       Yes. That they tried to throw ... And the FBI tried to throw him in jail, and, of course, he's the smartest guy the NSA ever had, so he outsmarted the FBI.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Well, how did he do that?

   13. JDJimmy Dore16:12

       So he had-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       I forget the story, but he-

   15. JDJimmy Dore16:13

       I forget the story. He told it to me, but they, he had them secretly recorded-

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JDJimmy Dore16:17

       ... saying certain things. And so when they tried to, th- uh, to show the evidence against him, he's like, "Actually, I got you guys." And they're like-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       Yeah.

   19. JDJimmy Dore16:24

       ... "Oh, shit." And so they couldn't ... So he had them, so he outsmarted them. And he tells the story on my show. Uh, you know, it was about a year ago, so I don't remember exactly how it went. But he told me a lot of mind-blowing stuff on my show, a lot of stuff. Just, um, you know, like about how they spy on us. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       Well, he was the one that first exposed this program that was essentially spying on every single email, every-

   21. JDJimmy Dore16:45

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       ... single voicemail. Every single conversation that you have is being recorded.

   23. JDJimmy Dore16:49

       So William Binney invented a thing called ThinThread. So ThinThread was, uh, a data collection. So what he did is he hooked up every cell phone to every cell phone i- in the, in the universe. It's, uh ... And he did it. And it was hard to do, and everybody said, "You couldn't do it." He did it. And so he knew that metadata wa- was more predictive than, say, if I tap your phone and listen to your actual phone conversation, that I actually learn more by looking at a larger data set. And when, and when contacts start happening, that means movement's happening, that means an attack is gonna happen, that means more ... So if the metadata means more ... And so he found a way to track people and keep your identity secret, so it was constitutional.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Oh.

   25. JDJimmy Dore17:32

       That's what he cared about, the Constitution and the right to privacy. And ThinThread did that. It was a better ... And th- and they got rid of ThinThread, and a couple weeks later, 9/11 happened.So that's, what Bill... So that's who Bill Binney is. And so he said they got rid of it because there's billions of dollars in the new pro... They brought in a, uh, uh, uh, a m- I think it was called Trailblazer out... And not as good as a, a tracker, not as good as a metadata thing. And, but it was, you know, five, six billion dollars to Booz Allen or whoever invented it. And that's what this is all about. This is all about money, and you don't wanna disappoint people who wanna have a lot of money paid their way.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:07

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JDJimmy Dore18:08

       And then, so that's what... So he blew the whistle on that and they come back at him and they try to put (laughs) him in jail. That's what they do to whistleblowers. That's what we do. So that's funny to hear him say, "Oh, well, somebody wrote a bad book about Putin and they ended up dead." What do you think we do in this country? Look what they did to Chelsea Manning. Look what we did to people who exposed war crimes inside of our country. Right now, we're trying, they're trying to assassinate Julian Assange. They have him in basically solitary confinement. We literally did torture Chelsea Manning. So, uh, and then, you know, Barack Obama used, uh, uh, he- he prosecuted lots of whistleblowing journalists using the... Now I'm blanking on the word it's called, but, um, Espionage Act. So this idea that, yeah, I'm sure Putin, maybe Putin didn't... Maybe that woman who wrote that book about Putin has a lot of powerful enemies. Usually you do when you are that kind of a journalist where you're exposing the powerful. She probably didn't just expose Putin, so she probably exposed a lot of people. My point being is that, uh, you know, now who's being naive, Joe?

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:06

       Well, I mean, she probably did expose a lot of people, but it's also very likely that Putin had her killed.

   29. JDJimmy Dore19:12

       (laughs) Yeah. Yes, it is.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       Yeah.
8. 19:28 – 22:48

   Syria, Saudi funding, and “conspiracy theorist” as a shutdown label

   1. JDJimmy Dore19:28

      And they wanna do it again. They wanna do it in Syria. They want... So, Joe, let me ask you a question. If we get rid of Assad in Syria, do you know who takes over?

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:35

      Uh, the... Jesus or something.

   3. JDJimmy Dore19:37

      (laughs) That's right. Je- (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:39

      Is that... Who starts running things? Moses or Isiran?

   5. JDJimmy Dore19:42

      The... Al-Qaeda (laughs) , al-Qaeda-

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:44

      Al-Qaeda, yeah.

   7. JDJimmy Dore19:44

      ... Al-Nusra.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:45

      Yeah.

   9. JDJimmy Dore19:46

      Uh, uh, so that, the, the ra-

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:47

       They create a power vacuum-

   11. JDJimmy Dore19:48

       The, the-

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:49

       ... which is what always happens.

   13. JDJimmy Dore19:50

       The Wah... Uh, the, the Wahhabi terrorists funded by Saudi Arabia, that's who takes over.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       Yeah.

   15. JDJimmy Dore19:55

       And I have videotape after videotape of our top officials admitting that Saudi Arabia funds ISIS and that we also did, so... And that we created, we created Al-Qaeda, we got, we created... And, and ISIS was created because of our invasion of Iraq, but then we actually fund them and we ship them arms. So, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:14

       For what reason?

   17. JDJimmy Dore20:15

       To go overthrow Assad so we can put a, a pipeline through, uh, Syria.

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:20

       So we fund them so that they fight Assad, but then Saudi Arabia funds them.

   19. JDJimmy Dore20:24

       This isn't the first time we did that. We funded Al-Qaeda so they would fight the Russians.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:28

       Right.

   21. JDJimmy Dore20:29

       So it's the same. And then we, and then we're left with them.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:31

       So that was when was the Mujahideen.

   23. JDJimmy Dore20:32

       That's when they were the Mujah... Yes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       Yeah.

   25. JDJimmy Dore20:34

       Mujahideen. Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:35

       Yeah.

   27. JDJimmy Dore20:35

       So... And I have videotapes of Hillary Clinton screaming about this. "We created this problem!" She says this on video. I have it. So, um, that's why I get in trouble, because I tell the truth about the war. And if you tell the truth about the war, you'll be called a conspiracy theorist by the establishment news. That's exactly what's happened.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:54

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JDJimmy Dore20:54

       That happened to me.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       Are you a conspiracy theorist now?
9. 22:48 – 31:52

   Green Party votes, “democracy shaming,” and ranked-choice voting as an antidote

   1. JDJimmy Dore22:48

      "... if we applied the Nuremberg standards." So this is the world we're living in. So this idea that somehow we need to focus extra on Trump and somehow Put-... And you know what? Journalists i- the anti-Putin journalists in Russia will tell you that we're a bunch of n- numbskulls over here because we're inflating Putin's power. So we are blu-... Like he's this all-powerful guy who's got his finger in every decision everywhere at all times. Alyssa Milano is now blaming (laughs) the Green Party being controlled by the Russians for an Ohio election, a special election. I'm not kidding. I can show you the tweet.

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:20

      What? Alyssa Milano?

   3. JDJimmy Dore23:21

      You think I'm... (laughs) And who doesn't love Alyssa Milano, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:24

      Oh. Alyssa. She's beautiful.

   5. JDJimmy Dore23:25

      Who doesn't... She's one of the prettiest of all time.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:27

      I met her in a hotel once.

   7. JDJimmy Dore23:28

      Did you really?

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:29

      Wandering through the hotel, we got in the elevator together.

   9. JDJimmy Dore23:31

      So here is-

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:32

       I said, "I can't believe I'm in a hotel elevator with Alyssa Milano."

   11. JDJimmy Dore23:35

       I got this...

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:35

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JDJimmy Dore23:35

       That is just mmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:36

       I said, "Hello." She said hello back, and that was it. (laughs)

   15. JDJimmy Dore23:39

       Did she know who you were?

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:40

       I don't think so.

   17. JDJimmy Dore23:40

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:41

       No. It was a long time ago too.

   19. JDJimmy Dore23:43

       She says, "You know what sucks? Because of our unwillingness to pass policy that protects our election integrity, I immediately think the Green Party votes to- tonight's are Russian meddling. Why else would anyone cast a protest vote in Ohio when there's so much at stake?" (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:58

       So much at stake. That's so delusional. Like, what is a protest vote? What's your vote worth? If everyone votes and they all vote Green, is that a protest vote?

   21. JDJimmy Dore24:07

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:08

       Like if- is it-

   23. JDJimmy Dore24:09

       It's like he- he-

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       ... impossible that the Green Party can win? Like, you have no faith. So what they're doing is essentially just bowing down to a rigged system, saying the system's rigged, so just vote for side B even though side A and B are funded by the same people. I know, I know, but ideologically side B is our side. That's what she's saying.

   25. JDJimmy Dore24:26

       So what ... They've gone past ... So now the #Resistance have gone beyond voter shaming, and now what they're actually doing is democracy shaming.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       Yes. Right.

   27. JDJimmy Dore24:34

       You don't get to participate in democracy.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       Exactly.

   29. JDJimmy Dore24:37

       And those people ... So let me tell you something. When people say, "Oh, you know, the Greens take away votes," I would not have voted in the presidential election if I did not have the opportunity to vote for, uh, the Green Party.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:47

       Right.
10. 31:52 – 47:32

    Alex Jones deplatforming: due process, utilities, and the ‘hate speech’ problem

    1. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Hey, one of the reasons why we came in today is 'cause we wanted to talk about the Alex Jones situation. Um, I know you were, uh, not just a vocal critic of Alex Jones, you spit in his face on, on live internet.

    2. JDJimmy Dore32:03

       Joe, I did not spit in his face. That was-

    3. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       You did something.

    4. JDJimmy Dore32:05

       ... completely involuntary. (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       He coughed and liquid came out of your mouth and it got him right in the face.

    6. JDJimmy Dore32:11

       As you know, Alex Jones is hilarious. There's no doubt.

    7. JRJoe Rogan32:13

       Yeah.

    8. JDJimmy Dore32:13

       There's no denying that.

    9. JRJoe Rogan32:15

       He's occasionally very hilarious. Yeah, yeah.

    10. JDJimmy Dore32:18

        Yes. And I, I told you what happened. I was walking up-

    11. JRJoe Rogan32:20

        Yeah.

    12. JDJimmy Dore32:20

        ... he's having this ... They're just about to go fisticuffs the whole time.

    13. JRJoe Rogan32:23

        Yeah.

    14. JDJimmy Dore32:24

        And, uh, as I walk up, he goes, "Hey, I'm just trying to be nice."

    15. JRJoe Rogan32:27

        (laughs) And you had a spit take.

    16. JDJimmy Dore32:27

        And I had a mouthful of iced tea, and that was that.

    17. JRJoe Rogan32:30

        I understand.

    18. JDJimmy Dore32:30

        That's my story, I'm sticking to it.

    19. JRJoe Rogan32:31

        Good story.

    20. JDJimmy Dore32:32

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan32:33

        Um, you know, and Trump meant to say "would."

    22. JDJimmy Dore32:38

        (laughs) Wouldn't.

    23. JRJoe Rogan32:38

        And he actually said-

    24. JDJimmy Dore32:39

        He said wouldn't.

    25. JRJoe Rogan32:41

        Yeah. Yeah, he actually ... What did he say? "I don't see any reason why they would."

    26. JDJimmy Dore32:44

        Would.

    27. JRJoe Rogan32:44

        But he meant to say wouldn't.

    28. JDJimmy Dore32:45

        Say wouldn't.

    29. JRJoe Rogan32:46

        Yeah. That was one of the worst lies I think anybody's ever told on television in front of millions of people. That was a disturbing lie, because in the context of the words and the way he was communicating, it's very clear. It's very clear he meant to say would.

    30. JDJimmy Dore32:59

        It mea- It was s- It was disconcerting to me for a different reason. It was disconcerting to me because it showed that he- they got him to cave.
11. 47:32 – 1:24:48

    Sandy Hook claims, platform liability, and the slippery slope of moderation

    1. JRJoe Rogan47:32

       Like, the phone service is just a method of communication. It was just a utility. What, what he's been able to do through, uh, Infowars is, if you've got him on your platform, he's gonna say some things and he's gonna use your platform to say some things that, you know, might not be true and might be crazy. So you gotta decide, like, when does it become a problem? And I think where they drew the line was Sandy Hook.

    2. JDJimmy Dore47:53

       So here's what I say, Joe. Uh-... we need to treat these as public utilities because they are, right?

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:59

       Mm-hmm.

    4. JDJimmy Dore47:59

       Facebook, there is no alternative. There is an alternative to YouTube. We need to regulate them. Oh, it's long overdue, by the way. And they are monopolies. We ... That's obvious to everyone that they're monopolies, but, you know, when you, when you invent something called WhatsApp and then Facebook buys it for $20 billion (laughs) , there's a monopoly.

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:16

       Yeah.

    6. JDJimmy Dore48:16

       There's no way, there's no way to, to compete with these people. So, these are monopolies. They need to be regulated and peoples need to be protected. And it, it ... That's how, that's where we need to go because right now, we're leaving it up to the whims of a billionaire. Like you say, hey, if Alex Jones really did some shit that was wrong and he should be taken off or his free speech should be abridged for it, do it. Let's see a ... Go, go to a court or go to a thing or go ... People go, "Well, he doxes people and he ..." I go, is ... If doxing's illegal, he should be prosecuted. If that's what hap- ... But you shouldn't take away-

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:48

       Did he dox people? Who'd he dox?

    8. JDJimmy Dore48:49

       That's what they're saying. They're saying he's do- ... He'd wanted ... He doxed people from Newtown or whatever, uh, from the school shooting. So that's what they're saying.

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:56

       Oh, he talked about the individuals and their families?

    10. JDJimmy Dore48:57

        That he gave their addresses and their names.

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:59

        What?

    12. JDJimmy Dore48:59

        That's what they're saying, that he doxed them.

    13. JRJoe Rogan49:01

        Okay, but let's, let's find out if he actually did that 'cause that sounds crazy.

    14. JDJimmy Dore49:05

        Yeah. I, I, I'm s- ... I don't know if he did. We-

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:06

        But they're not saying what he actually did. This is what's crazy. I keep hearing that he, um, promoted the idea that Sandy Hook was, uh, uh, uh, false.

    16. JDJimmy Dore49:17

        False.

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:17

        Was false, and that it was a false flag and that these were all actors.

    18. JDJimmy Dore49:22

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:22

        I don't know if he actually said that. I think what he actually said was, "I don't know if that happened." I think that's what he actually said.

    20. JDJimmy Dore49:31

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:31

        And people are saying, "Well, that's promoting the idea that, that it was a hoax." Um-

    22. JDJimmy Dore49:35

        So am I. (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:36

        But I wanna know if that's what he really said. See, I don't know if that's even the case 'cause I've heard it t- ... I've heard it written that he promoted the idea that Sandy Hook was a conspiracy, but I ... They're not quoting. When they say that, there's no quotes. There's no, "Sandy H- Hook was a hoax. Those kids were actors. Those kids are not dead." I don't see that anywhere.

    24. JDJimmy Dore49:56

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:57

        But they keep attributing that to him without quotations.

    26. JDJimmy Dore50:00

        But again, if this, i- if there was some kind of process, due process-

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:03

        Right.

    28. JDJimmy Dore50:04

        ... we could go back and look at the transcript and we would know this.

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:06

        Not only that, not only that. If during this whole time-

    30. JDJimmy Dore50:08

        (chuckles) .

Episode duration: 2:17:27