Joe Rogan Experience #1199 - Tom Segura & Sean Anders

1. 0:03 – 0:13

   Hair jokes, going live, and teasing the new movie

   1. TSTom Segura0:03

      I didn't realize how good your hair is.

   2. SASean Anders0:06

      Thanks. I'm losing it, but it's, what's left of it is still working all right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Boom, and we're live, gentlemen. Hello, Sean.

   4. SASean Anders0:11

      Hey, how are ya?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Hello, Tom.

   6. TSTom Segura0:12

      Hello, Joseph.

2. 0:13 – 0:31

   “You guys do movies?” — Sean’s directing background in brief

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      What's go- you guys did a movie? Did you make a movie?

   2. TSTom Segura0:15

      We made a movie.

   3. SASean Anders0:16

      We did.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      You guys do movies?

   5. SASean Anders0:17

      We do. We're movie guys.

   6. TSTom Segura0:18

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      How many movies have you made?

   8. SASean Anders0:20

      Uh, well, one.

   9. TSTom Segura0:21

      Well, I bet you've made ... How many have you made before?

   10. SASean Anders0:23

       Uh, uh, like six. But-

   11. TSTom Segura0:25

       Yeah.

   12. SASean Anders0:25

       But we've made one.

   13. TSTom Segura0:26

       We've made one.

   14. SASean Anders0:27

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       What's your favorite one other than the one that's right now, which is definitely your favorite? 'Cause you're promoting it right now.

3. 0:31 – 3:06

   How Sex Drive got made—and why it felt like the career might be over

   1. SASean Anders0:31

      Uh, Sex Drive.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      Sex Drive? Which one was that?

   3. SASean Anders0:35

      It's the first one. It's the one nobody knows about.

   4. TSTom Segura0:36

      Yeah, it's his first one.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:37

      Oh. Nobody knows about it?

   6. SASean Anders0:38

      I mean, it just, it was one of those movies that just opened and nobody knew about it, but it was, it was a really, really fun movie. It was.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:43

      Maybe we could change that.

   8. SASean Anders0:44

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:44

      Is it on iTunes or Netflix or-

   10. SASean Anders0:46

       Yeah, yeah, it's all over. James Marsden's in it. harry-

   11. TSTom Segura0:48

       This is the one, is this the one that you, like, when you made it, you were like, "And maybe I'll go back to working fucking construction." Or whatever, right?

   12. SASean Anders0:55

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's, I thought, I thought, thought it was over after that. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Did you finance it or anything?

   14. SASean Anders1:01

       No, no, we made it, um, we made it with Summit Pictures and it was, it was, it was amazing. They, they, uh, we were in town trying to get a career going, you know, trying to, trying to make things happen. We were making a TV pilot at the time, which was a living hell. And, uh, and we had gone out and pitched this, uh, idea to a bunch of places and nobody bought it. So then in the middle of our, uh, editing our pilot, Summit Pictures called and said, um, "We really, we keep thinking about that pitch. Would you guys be willing to write it?" And I said, "You know what? Tell them ..." I was really busy. I said, "Tell them we'll write it if I can direct it." But I figured that would make them go away. And they said, "All right." And so we went in and we wrote it and we turned it in and they green lit it. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       (laughs)

   16. TSTom Segura1:41

       (laughs)

   17. SASean Anders1:41

       It was just crazy. It was just this crazy process where we got this movie green lit and I think we wrote the draft in, in like a month and then we turned it in and they, they loved it and they said-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       What's it about?

   19. SASean Anders1:50

       It's a, it's a, it's a teen road trip movie. It's about this, these kids that, uh, it was kind of in the early days of the, you know, Facebook and all that stuff. And it might have even been, I don't know, I could never track the ... It might have even been like sort of Myspace into Facebook, that era, you know. Um, but it was about a kid who meets a, a girl online and goes to lose his virginity on a, on a road trip.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       Oh, shit.

   21. TSTom Segura2:13

       Funny.

   22. SASean Anders2:13

       It is funny, yeah. Marsden's in it, James Marsden, he's really funny. Uh, Clark Duke and, um, yeah, it had a good cast and, uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       There it is.

   24. SASean Anders2:20

       (clears throat) Yeah. Wow, good. Um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:22

       Bam.

   26. SASean Anders2:24

       But it was a really great experience. It was really fun. And then we, we, we tested it, we did the test screenings and it just murdered, like it just ... And the studio got really excited and I thought, "Oh my God," like, "I'm gonna have a huge career."

   27. TSTom Segura2:35

       (laughs)

   28. SASean Anders2:35

       And the movie came out and it didn't do any- (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       (laughs)

   30. TSTom Segura2:37

       (laughs)
4. 3:06 – 5:12

   Instant Family’s real-life roots: adopting three siblings

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      So this movie is based in, uh, in no small part on your o- own life experiences.

   2. SASean Anders3:13

      It is, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:13

      Of, uh, adopting an actual ... You, you adopted like a full family.

   4. SASean Anders3:17

      Three human children, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:18

      Wow.

   6. SASean Anders3:20

      (laughs)

   7. TSTom Segura3:20

      That's wild.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      That's a, that's a bold maneuver, sir.

   9. SASean Anders3:23

      Yeah. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       What were the ages?

   11. SASean Anders3:24

       Uh, six, three, and a year and a half in my home.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       Wow.

   13. SASean Anders3:27

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       What was the process?

   15. SASean Anders3:29

       Um, well, it starts ... And this is how it starts in the movie as well. My wife and I, for years I didn't, I wasn't making any money and including when, after I made Sex Drive. And, um, I, uh, so I didn't really feel like I could afford to have kids. So whenever we'd talk about it I'd just be like, "You know, not there yet." And, uh, and then finally, um, when I felt like I was doing better, I was starting to get a career together, I just started to feel like I was gonna be one of those old dads, you know? Like by the time the kid was a teenager I wasn't gonna be able to play with them or-

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       How old are you now?

   17. SASean Anders4:00

       I'm 49 now. I was 41 at the time.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       Mm-hmm.

   19. SASean Anders4:04

       And, uh, so ... God, is that right? Oh man, it's depressing. Anyway, uh, (laughs) so I, I, uh, I made this dumb joke to my wife. I said, "Look, why don't we just adopt a five year old? It'll be like I got started five years ago and like I'm, you know, right back in the game."

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       Right.

   21. SASean Anders4:18

       And she was like, "You know, that's actually a really interesting idea." And I was like, "No, I'm, I was totally kidding. Didn't mean anything by that at all."

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       (laughs)

   23. SASean Anders4:26

       And, and then she went to a website and she showed me the website. And then when I saw the website I was like, "Oh, wow." You see these kids, you see their faces, you start to learn a little bit more about it. And we just started having conversations and it, it went from there. Now I, now I got three kids and a movie.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       And they're all siblings?

   25. SASean Anders4:42

       Yes.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       So they all came from one mom and what d- what is, how did they get separated from the family?

   27. SASean Anders4:50

       Um, I don't have a lot of details about that. You know, they don't really tell you.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       Right.

   29. SASean Anders4:55

       (clears throat) You know, you, you know a little bit, but not much. I mean, I know that there was, that there were issues with drugs and I, and I think there was some kind of a fire at some point.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       Mm-hmm.
5. 5:12 – 9:58

   Why make a comedy about foster-to-adopt (and fears about misconceptions)

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:12

      And what, what made you want to turn this into a film? Like, I would imagine that's a very personal experience.

   2. SASean Anders5:20

      Yeah. Um, it was actually my writing partner, John Morris, 'cause I had been about three years into it at that point. And the beginning of it was a nightmare. Like, like epic v- bad decision, why did we ever do this? (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:35

      Really?

   4. SASean Anders5:35

      Yeah, it was, it was really a nightmare for a short time. And then when it came online and we became a family, it really became the best thing that ever happened to me. And you know, when John and I get together every day, we just talk about our lives a little bit. That's how we get started. So John had been hearing all these stories and one day he just said, "I don't know why we're not doing a movie about this, 'cause nobody really knows how this works when you go into foster care to adopt kids." So we started talking about it and then there was the conversation of whether it could be a comedy or not, because that's what we do. We make comedies. And John again was like, "Most of the stuff you've told me is really funny." So not all of it, of course, but that's ... And then we thought, wow, you know, we could approach this as a comedy and we might be able to get-

   5. TSTom Segura6:15

      ... you know, a more general audience to, to get their, their interest in it that way because it'll feel less scary because that's the problem is that most movies that are made on this topic just frighten people.

   6. SASean Anders6:26

      Right.

   7. TSTom Segura6:26

      And they make people think that these kids are all, are all damaged and-

   8. SASean Anders6:29

      Right.

   9. TSTom Segura6:30

      ... unreachable and everything, you know?

   10. SASean Anders6:32

       Right. Do you worry that it'd be like that movie 101 Dalmatians that a bunch of people start getting foster kids now and just screw them up?

   11. TSTom Segura6:38

       Yeah, we (laughs) -

   12. SASean Anders6:39

       (laughs)

   13. TSTom Segura6:39

       ... well, we were talking about Top Gun, about how, you know, remember when Top Gun came out and everybody joined the Navy thinking they were gonna fly the planes?

   14. SASean Anders6:45

       Right, right. (laughs)

   15. TSTom Segura6:46

       Yeah. (laughs)

   16. SASean Anders6:46

       Well, when, um, The Color of Money came out, pool halls boomed across the country. I mean-

   17. TSTom Segura6:51

       Yeah.

   18. SASean Anders6:51

       ... a giant impact on pool halls-

   19. TSTom Segura6:54

       (laughs)

   20. SASean Anders6:54

       ... from that one Tom Cruise movie.

   21. TSTom Segura6:55

       Mm-hmm.

   22. SASean Anders6:56

       Really.

   23. TSTom Segura6:56

       A lot of people just got scammed out of their fucking-

   24. SASean Anders6:59

       (laughs)

   25. TSTom Segura6:59

       ... pocket money basically. (laughs) Sure.

   26. SASean Anders7:00

       (laughs)

   27. TSTom Segura7:01

       I'm sure there was some of that going on.

   28. SASean Anders7:02

       But that always happens.

   29. TSTom Segura7:03

       I think the crazy thing about this too was that, like, on the set you realize, like when you're, when we're doing this, you go like, "Oh, yeah, I always thought of people who do that," like you know they exist, but you're like those are nameless, faceless angels.

   30. SASean Anders7:16

       (laughs)
6. 9:58 – 13:05

   Press tours, red carpets, and the humiliation of media training

   1. TSTom Segura9:58

      Wait, so you, 'cause you were telling me this and I was like, he was about to tell me before you came in, I was like, "This sounds like this could be pretty good. Don't tell me. Save it for the podcast." That... 'Cause he's done... This is the most press Sean's done for a film that he's put out. That, did you go under they were like, "Let's give you some advice on media?"

   2. SASean Anders10:15

      Yeah, well first of all, I'm terrible at it. (laughs) So there's that. 'Cause I don't do... This is the thing. When you direct a movie, especially movies like the kind of movies that I make, you know, comedies and, you know, big broad comedies, people don't really care who directed those movies. And I'm good with that, like I'm totally good with that. But what usually happens is the studio, the director usually wants to be kind of a part of the campaign, so the studio will find... They'll sort of throw bones at you of like press that you can do. And I always tell them, "Look, if I can be helpful in any way, let me know. I'll do whatever you need me to do, but don't throw me any bones 'cause I don't care." Right. Like I don't need to- (laughs) So they do that to kind of just pump up the ego of the director that-

   3. TSTom Segura10:53

      (laughs)

   4. SASean Anders10:53

      ... certain directors just really wanna be the next Quentin Tarantino. (laughs)

   5. TSTom Segura10:56

      Yeah. Yeah, I can't-

   6. SASean Anders10:57

      You want them to-

   7. TSTom Segura10:57

      I can't imagine there's some directors they really have to do it for.

   8. SASean Anders11:00

      Mm. Well, I mean, I get it. They don't want you to feel left out or whatever.

   9. TSTom Segura11:03

      Right.

   10. SASean Anders11:03

       But by my first couple movies, I thought, "Oh, I have to do this stuff." And then I realized... I, I actually had this experience where I was in this red carpet thing and they brought me up to this reporter and they said, "This is Sean Anders. He directed the movie." And she had this big look on her face and then she went like, "Oh."

   11. TSTom Segura11:17

       God.

   12. SASean Anders11:17

       And she's... (laughs) And I was like, "No, no, no. It's cool. You don't have to..." (laughs)

   13. TSTom Segura11:21

       Wow.

   14. SASean Anders11:21

       "You don't have to-"

   15. TSTom Segura11:21

       She was so disappointed.

   16. SASean Anders11:22

       She was so dis-

   17. TSTom Segura11:23

       (laughs)

   18. SASean Anders11:23

       She was so disappointed. Those people. And that's when it sunk into me where I was just like, "Oh, they don't care. They don't give a..." So that's, that's fine with me. I'm good there, you know? Well, they're such fame whores in those-

   19. TSTom Segura11:32

       They are.

   20. SASean Anders11:33

       Those red carpet things.

   21. TSTom Segura11:34

       Yeah.

   22. SASean Anders11:34

       They're so weird.

   23. TSTom Segura11:35

       Yeah.

   24. SASean Anders11:36

       Those things are so weird. And some people, that is the highlight of their life walking that carpet.

   25. TSTom Segura11:41

       Yep.

   26. SASean Anders11:41

       Oh, I can't... (imitates camera clicking) Over here, Tom. (imitates camera clicking)

   27. TSTom Segura11:45

       Get your pose down right. (imitates camera clicking)

   28. SASean Anders11:48

       (laughs)

   29. TSTom Segura11:48

       It's a really weird thing. Also, paparazzi at the airport. You have that where, um, I've seen them where I'm at baggage and they're looking around and then they're like-... "Hey, Tom..." And they'll ask me, like, one thing-

   30. SASean Anders12:01

       (laughs)
7. 13:05 – 28:01

   Clickbait ambush culture: airport paparazzi, gotcha questions, and out-of-context clips

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:05

      (laughs) Yeah. Well, what's interesting too is it's, like, sort of an impromptu interview that you have to do, right? Like, if someone said, "Hey, there's this guy. His name is Mike. He lives in Studio City. He wants you to go to his house, and, uh, he's gonna film you. Uh, he's gonna ask you wacky questions." You're like, "No."

   2. TSTom Segura13:21

      Yeah. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:22

      But if Mike just shows up-

   4. TSTom Segura13:23

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:24

      ... at the baggage claim and puts that camera in your face. "Hey, Sean. Uh, Jennifer Aniston, man. What's up with the Botox?"

   6. SASean Anders13:29

      (laughs)

   7. TSTom Segura13:29

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:29

      And then you're like, "What?"

   9. TSTom Segura13:31

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       "What the fuck?"

   11. TSTom Segura13:32

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       You know? I mean, that's how they get you. Like, you wouldn't do an interview with them under any other circumstances, which is one of the... Like, one of the weird things that happened during the Roseanne Barr things, Roseanne Barr, when her show was canceled and all the controversy was going on, she was supposed to do the podcast. And it became a big news thing.

   13. TSTom Segura13:48

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:48

       Because she put it on her, uh, her Twitter that "I'm gonna do it," and we talked about it. And then they tried to show up at the podcast studio. So they had all these news people standing outside the podcast studio with their microphones. We're out, out in front of where Joe Rogan does his podcast. And they thought for some reason, just because they're there, people have to talk to them.

   15. TSTom Segura14:10

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       Like, "I'm here."

   17. TSTom Segura14:12

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       "Talk to me."

   19. TSTom Segura14:12

       You must.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       Like, they're, they're, they're made out of milk. They're barely human. They, the way they talk is the most boring version of an interview you'd ever get, ever. It's a, a tiny, quick little sound bite.

   21. TSTom Segura14:24

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       But they feel like because they're there, like, "The camera's on. I've got the microphone. Come on."

   23. TSTom Segura14:29

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       "Do it." If they said, "Hey, you know, KWFuckYourself wants you to come in and, and sit down for an interview." You'd be like, "No. I don't wanna-"

   25. TSTom Segura14:36

       Yeah. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:36

       "... I don't wanna talk to them. I don't... I don't have anything to say." Like, "I'll, I'll do all my talking on the podcast," but-

   27. TSTom Segura14:42

       Yeah.

   28. SASean Anders14:43

       Well, but... And also, if you're... Uh, I mean, I'm in the business, but again, I'm not somebody that does a tremendous amount of press or, or at least not until a couple of weeks ago. Um, and if you're not accustomed to that, it's terrifying.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       It's weird.

   30. TSTom Segura14:55

       Oh, yeah.
8. 28:01 – 42:58

   The economics of outrage—and the fight to sustain real journalism

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:01

      Yeah, well, it's a weird time for these publications too, man. That's, uh, another thing to take into consideration. No one's really buying magazines and newspapers-

   2. TSTom Segura28:10

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan28:11

      ... like they used to.

   4. TSTom Segura28:12

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan28:12

      It's hard to sell. And so they're reduced to these online publications, and they have to compete with a bunch of these clickbait-y bullshit things, and that's where the money is. I mean, even in New York Times, man. The New York Times is resulting to a lot of clickbait-y shit now, and you're like, "Wow."

   6. SASean Anders28:28

      Well, do you guys have that feeling, like when you're online, that you're on, like, a clickbait diet where you see things-

   7. TSTom Segura28:33

      Totally.

   8. SASean Anders28:33

      ... where you're like, "Oh, man, I totally wanna-"

   9. JRJoe Rogan28:34

      Yeah.

   10. SASean Anders28:35

       "... eat that right now-"

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:35

       Yeah.

   12. SASean Anders28:35

       "... but, like, I'm not, I'm not gonna do that."

   13. TSTom Segura28:37

       Oh, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:37

       Fuck all that sugar.

   15. TSTom Segura28:39

       I'm sadder than that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:39

       Let me look at the ingredients.

   17. SASean Anders28:40

       (laughs)

   18. TSTom Segura28:40

       (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:40

       Open it up. Oh, it's so sweet. (laughs)

   20. SASean Anders28:43

       You click on it, you're like, "Ah."

   21. TSTom Segura28:43

       You learn to navigate it now.

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:45

       Yeah.

   23. SASean Anders28:45

       Right?

   24. TSTom Segura28:46

       You g- you read that title and you're like, "I know this will have no substance."

   25. SASean Anders28:49

       Yes.

   26. TSTom Segura28:50

       "This is-"

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:50

       Well, I'm-

   28. TSTom Segura28:50

       "... just the headline."

   29. JRJoe Rogan28:51

       ... I'm fascinated to see where this goes because this didn't exist, right? The, these online clickbait-y things didn't exist 20 years ago.

   30. TSTom Segura28:58

       Mm-hmm.
9. 42:58 – 49:08

   The adoption “nightmare” phase: fairs, teen placements, and sudden matches

   1. JRJoe Rogan42:58

      Now, you said that your experience with adopting three kids started out as a nightmare.

   2. SASean Anders43:04

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan43:04

      Like, how did it start out as a nightmare?

   4. SASean Anders43:05

      Well, it goes into it... You know, do, do... You know you have friends that, that join the military and when they're in high school, they think they're really tough, and they're like, "Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be awesome." And then they go to boot camp, and then they're like, "Oh, shit, this is-"

   5. JRJoe Rogan43:16

      Yeah.

   6. SASean Anders43:16

      "... really hard." And then they get on top of it, and then they're, and then they're good again, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan43:19

      Right.

   8. SASean Anders43:19

      But they have to go through that transition of like, "Oh, man, maybe I'm not as tough as I thought I was."

   9. JRJoe Rogan43:23

      Right.

   10. SASean Anders43:23

       And then they get tough.

   11. JRJoe Rogan43:24

       Right.

   12. SASean Anders43:24

       And-

   13. JRJoe Rogan43:25

       So you never had any kids.

   14. SASean Anders43:26

       I never had any kids.

   15. JRJoe Rogan43:27

       Had a dog. You've-

   16. SASean Anders43:28

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan43:28

       ... done the dog thing.

   18. SASean Anders43:29

       Did the dog thing. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan43:30

       So you know how to take care of, uh, in a very small way.

   20. SASean Anders43:33

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan43:33

       I had a friend who said that to me. He's like, "Well, I've had a dog."

   22. SASean Anders43:37

       Oh, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan43:37

       He was talking about having a kid.

   24. SASean Anders43:38

       I've heard that a lot.

   25. JRJoe Rogan43:39

       I'm like, "I'll fucking kill you with a rock." (laughs)

   26. SASean Anders43:41

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan43:41

       "You better not compare the two." (laughs) That's so stupid.

   28. SASean Anders43:44

       Yeah, and we... No, we, we went from, y- you know, zero kids. And you kind of think, "Well, I babysat my sister's kids and that kind of thing."

   29. JRJoe Rogan43:52

       For how long?

   30. SASean Anders43:52

       And n- yeah, that's, that's the-
10. 49:08 – 54:07

    First meetings and bonding: the awkwardness of becoming a family fast

    1. TSTom Segura49:08

       Mm-hmm.

    2. SASean Anders49:08

       And says, "Here's a picture of them." And there's this long pause, and my wife goes, "Oh, they're cute." (laughs) But they didn't sound cute by the inflection (laughs) in their voice. And you know, you're-

    3. TSTom Segura49:17

       (laughs)

    4. SASean Anders49:17

       ... you're trying not to be-

    5. TSTom Segura49:19

       (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:19

       (laughs)

    7. SASean Anders49:19

       ... you're, you're trying not to be that guy, you know, that you're like-

    8. TSTom Segura49:21

       So you're like, "Wait, what do they look like?" (laughs)

    9. SASean Anders49:23

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:23

        (laughs)

    11. SASean Anders49:23

        But, but, you know, you don't wanna be shallow about it.

    12. TSTom Segura49:25

        Sure.

    13. SASean Anders49:25

        I mean, k- kids are kids, and you know you're gonna fall in love with them regardless. But, you know, like you kind of, everybody wants to think their own kids are cute, whatever. So i- it was funny, and then when I saw the picture, the picture was, it was just a weird, bad picture of the kids. Like my son, who was six at the time, looked like he was 11, and he looked (laughs) like this... And it was just the look on his face and whatever.

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:43

        Looked hard?

    15. SASean Anders49:44

        Yeah, he looked (laughs) he looked hard and a little s-

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:45

        Yeah.

    17. SASean Anders49:46

        And, and we go over to the house, and these kids are adorable. So, oh, so this is, sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. So, so when you, so we have the meeting, and we go, "Okay, we're gonna go meet with them." And just to be clear, we didn't say okay because of the picture. (laughs)

    18. TSTom Segura49:58

        (laughs)

    19. SASean Anders49:58

        Because the picture was kind of like neither here nor there, you know?

    20. TSTom Segura50:00

        Right.

    21. SASean Anders50:00

        We were just like, "All right, let's go meet these kids." So we go to the house, and these kids are adorable.

    22. TSTom Segura50:06

        Mm-hmm.

    23. SASean Anders50:06

        And, and it's the weirdest thing ever 'cause you go to this foster home where they live, and you play with them for like two hours. And when do you ever play with any kids for two straight hours?

    24. TSTom Segura50:19

        Mm-hmm.

    25. SASean Anders50:19

        Like actually actively play with kids, especially kids you've never met before. (laughs)

    26. TSTom Segura50:23

        Sure.

    27. SASean Anders50:24

        So it's exhausting-

    28. TSTom Segura50:25

        Yeah.

    29. SASean Anders50:25

        ... and it's weird. And, and we touch on this in the movie that I was really scared when we were getting there 'cause I wanted so much to walk in, see these kids, well up with tears, know it's for real, know these are my kids-

    30. TSTom Segura50:38

        Right.
11. 54:07 – 1:14:18

    Kids’ activities and the concussion rabbit hole: football, lacrosse, and CTE

    1. JRJoe Rogan54:07

       What does he play?

    2. SASean Anders54:08

       Well, he, I mean, whatever he plays, he just tends to be pretty good at it. So he played flag football for a while, and he's playing lacrosse now, and he's played soccer.

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:15

       Dude, keep him away from lacrosse and football. We were just playing it with Brennan Schaub the other day.

    4. SASean Anders54:19

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:20

       And I, I had no idea how many people get knocked the fuck out playing la- lacrosse.

    6. SASean Anders54:24

       Really?

    7. TSTom Segura54:24

       Lacrosse is fucking violent, man.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:26

       Oh my God. Violent. We were saying like there's a difference between this even in football in that they're striking each other.

    9. TSTom Segura54:32

       You're allowed to. You can clock somebody.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:33

        They're allowed to hit each other with the stick, but they're also striking each other with elbows. They're running in, and they have the stick in their hand, and they're elbowing each other in the face as they're running. I mean, whoa.

    11. SASean Anders54:43

        Oh, shit.

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:43

        It's a crazy amount of force-

    13. SASean Anders54:45

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:45

        ... they generate.

    15. SASean Anders54:46

        Oh, yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:46

        And these kids are getting flatlined.

    17. SASean Anders54:48

        (laughs) Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:48

        I'm like, that sh- 'Cause I had Dale Earnhardt Jr. here the other day on.Really nice guy, great guy, um, suffered 12 concussions over a period of four years.

    19. TSTom Segura55:00

        Racing?

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:00

        Yes.

    21. TSTom Segura55:01

        Fuck.

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:01

        And has, like, some significant brain damage because of it that he had to go through, uh, therapy for to, to help him, like to the point where he was walking and he had to hold onto things because his balance was so fucked up.

    23. TSTom Segura55:12

        Wow.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:12

        He couldn't, couldn't just walk, couldn't get off the couch and walk to the bathroom. He had to hold onto, like, a, a table and a chair and he had to make his way through. All of this from concussions. And, you know, what they're getting in lacrosse or they're getting in football, it's all the same shit.

    25. TSTom Segura55:27

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:27

        It's all head trauma.

    27. TSTom Segura55:28

        It's head trauma, yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:29

        Yeah.

    29. SASean Anders55:29

        So I'm a terrible parent.

    30. TSTom Segura55:31

        (laughs)

Episode duration: 1:55:20