Joe Rogan Experience #1199 - Tom Segura & Sean Anders

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   I didn't realize how…

   1. TSTom Segura0:03

      I didn't realize how good your hair is.

   2. SASean Anders0:06

      Thanks. I'm losing it, but it's, what's left of it is still working all right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Boom, and we're live, gentlemen. Hello, Sean.

   4. SASean Anders0:11

      Hey, how are ya?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Hello, Tom.

   6. TSTom Segura0:12

      Hello, Joseph.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      What's go- you guys did a movie? Did you make a movie?

   8. TSTom Segura0:15

      We made a movie.

   9. SASean Anders0:16

      We did.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:16

       You guys do movies?

   11. SASean Anders0:17

       We do. We're movie guys.

   12. TSTom Segura0:18

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       How many movies have you made?

   14. SASean Anders0:20

       Uh, well, one.

   15. TSTom Segura0:21

       Well, I bet you've made ... How many have you made before?

   16. SASean Anders0:23

       Uh, uh, like six. But-

   17. TSTom Segura0:25

       Yeah.

   18. SASean Anders0:25

       But we've made one.

   19. TSTom Segura0:26

       We've made one.

   20. SASean Anders0:27

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       What's your favorite one other than the one that's right now, which is definitely your favorite? 'Cause you're promoting it right now.

   22. SASean Anders0:31

       Uh, Sex Drive.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Sex Drive? Which one was that?

   24. SASean Anders0:35

       It's the first one. It's the one nobody knows about.

   25. TSTom Segura0:36

       Yeah, it's his first one.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Oh. Nobody knows about it?

   27. SASean Anders0:38

       I mean, it just, it was one of those movies that just opened and nobody knew about it, but it was, it was a really, really fun movie. It was.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Maybe we could change that.

   29. SASean Anders0:44

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Is it on iTunes or Netflix or-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   That'd be worse. …

   1. SASean Anders15:00

      you.' Like, "I don't have time for this.""

   2. TSTom Segura15:00

      That'd be worse.

   3. SASean Anders15:01

      Yeah. Then you're gonna... So you just think-

   4. TSTom Segura15:03

      Yeah, you're an asshole.

   5. SASean Anders15:03

      ... like, "I can't even walk away from this."

   6. TSTom Segura15:04

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      Yeah.

   8. SASean Anders15:04

      So you're... Just feel like you're... All of a sudden, somebody threw a cage over you.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      And they're not even re- uh, asking you, "Can I do this?" They're just-

   10. TSTom Segura15:10

       No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       ... doing it. They're just, "Hey, Sean." Uh-

   12. TSTom Segura15:12

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       "Let me ask you a question, Sean." You know, like-

   14. TSTom Segura15:13

       It's forced. It, it's forced on you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       Yeah.

   16. TSTom Segura15:16

       With an obsequy.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       But it puts you in a... It puts you in a weird spot. It's like all of a sudden you're in... You're, you're on your, on your heels, like, right away.

   18. TSTom Segura15:21

       Yeah, because your instinct is to be defensive if someone gets... So you're... You know what I mean?

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Yeah.

   20. TSTom Segura15:24

       Your instinct is not gonna be, "I'll give the most thoughtful answer to this," because it's, it's, it's in the moment. Someone just dropped it on you. So now you're like, "Okay." And, and your, your emotions might be kind of all over the place, and you're not... You're, you're not stopping to, like... Like ha- having a conversation. You're just sort of trying to figure your way out of it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       And how many people have ruined their careers or lives on those things?

   22. TSTom Segura15:48

       Oh, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Just said... just fucked up and said one... They're just trying to be funny or just-

   24. TSTom Segura15:53

       That's the thing because they'll misquote you and-

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       ... irritated, and then they get you.

   26. TSTom Segura15:56

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       And then they put it up, and you're like, "Fuck, why didn't I think through that?"

   28. TSTom Segura15:58

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       "I was just... I was coming home from the airport. I was tired. I was jet-lagged." Bourdain got a shitload of death threats because he said... Uh, they asked him, "If you had to serve dinner to Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump, what would you serve?" He said, "Hemlock." He was trying to be funny.

   30. TSTom Segura16:14

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      of context.

   2. SASean Anders30:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      And, and over, you know, uh, uh, giant overall discussion of a to- of a topic that took place over 45 minutes. And they'll take 30 seconds of that and put a YouTube clip up, and then you get a bunch of angry people tweeting at you.

   4. TSTom Segura30:13

      That's true. That's true. But the o- uh, the flip side of it is that I feel like in this time, we're developing more of an audience that is quick to call that shit out.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      Mm-hmm.

   6. TSTom Segura30:24

      So, like, while there are gonna be people that take the bait and be like, "What is it?" And get, uh, angry, there's a bunch of people who are, like, really quick to recognize that that's taken out of context.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:33

      Well, it's because people like you and I and a lot of other people that do podcasts talk about that-

   8. TSTom Segura30:38

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      ... all the time.

   10. TSTom Segura30:39

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       So people hear it all the time and they see the examples of it and they go, "Wow, that's crazy."

   12. TSTom Segura30:43

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Like some, some of it is so egregious. You're like-

   14. TSTom Segura30:45

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       ... you, you're a piece of shit. Like someone should pull your license.

   16. TSTom Segura30:48

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       Like if you were a doctor, they'd full- pull your fucking license.

   18. TSTom Segura30:51

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       But as a journalist, there's like a l- lot of wiggle room with being a piece of shit.

   20. TSTom Segura30:55

       Yeah, there is. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       (laughs)

   22. SASean Anders30:57

       (laughs) Yeah.

   23. TSTom Segura30:57

       Yeah.

   24. SASean Anders30:57

       Yeah, but this is where-

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       And I use the word journalist, air quotes.

   26. TSTom Segura31:00

       These, the podcast, this, this medium is just gonna grow and, and people...... are embracing more this long form conversation-

   27. SASean Anders31:08

       Well-

   28. TSTom Segura31:08

       ... you know, and understanding things by talking about it for a while.

   29. SASean Anders31:11

       Well, and the other part of it that I think p- that gets lost sometimes is that, you know, like right now, we're talking about, like, journalists.

   30. TSTom Segura31:18

       Mm-hmm.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. SASean Anders45:00

      the worst thing I've ever seen." And we ended up sort of inadvertently meeting this teenage girl and her brother and sister. And just, they just seemed cool, and they just seemed like really good kids and just scared, scared, scared. But we wrote them down on our sheet and just, again, not what we- (laughs)

   2. TSTom Segura45:16

      Yeah.

   3. SASean Anders45:16

      ... what we had planned on when we did this, but we wrote them down on our sheet. And we went home knowing they were gonna match us with them 'cause no one else was gonna put them down. And we, we get home, and we find out, yes, you've been matched with these kids. And we're like, "Okay, here we go." We're gonna have, you know, we're gonna have a teenager.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:31

      How old?

   5. SASean Anders45:32

      Uh, they were 16, 13, and 11.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:34

      Oof.

   7. SASean Anders45:35

      Yeah. (laughs) I know.

   8. TSTom Segura45:36

      Whoa.

   9. SASean Anders45:37

      So, so we're, we're, you know, kind of wrapping our heads around this-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Yeah.

   11. SASean Anders45:40

       ... over the next couple weeks. And we, we got to the place where we were like, "Okay, you know, we can do this." And then we got a call from the social worker, and she said, "You know, um, it's, it's not gonna work out with them. The, uh, they've been in the system for four years. The girl, she's really holding out hope that her mom is coming for her, so she's refusing the placement."

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       (sighs)

   13. SASean Anders46:00

       And so we tried to... And, and I was like, I was... You know, when you hear that, it's so... Uh, y- just the same reaction you guys just had. So my wife and I wrote an, uh, a letter to send through the, the social workers just saying, "Hey, look, we get it. If you maybe, you guys just wanna come and just do the foster thing, or, you know, however you want to do it." And we s- we, we just sort of sent the letter off. We didn't hear anything. And then she came back and she just said, "Yeah, it's not gonna happen." And then she very matter-of-factly just said, "But there's these other three kids." And those kids are my kids now, who I love more than anything in the world (laughs) .

   14. TSTom Segura46:35

       R- real- And that's, that's how it... In that conversation-

   15. SASean Anders46:37

       And that's how it started-

   16. TSTom Segura46:37

       ... she was like, "There's another three."

   17. SASean Anders46:38

       ... it was just like, "There's these other three kids."

   18. TSTom Segura46:39

       Wow.

   19. SASean Anders46:39

       And we were like, "Oh, oh, all right." And you, you want there to be... Or I shouldn't say you. I mean, I wanted there to be a certain amount of randomness, like when you have, you know, biological kids. You don't know what you're gonna get.

   20. TSTom Segura46:49

       Yeah.

   21. SASean Anders46:50

       And going to that, that event where you're s- sort of like meeting kids, and it, it feels weird. And so when she said there's these other three kids, we said okay. And then they turned out to be younger, you know, six, three, and 18 months. Um, but I never forgot meeting that, that girl and her brother and sister. So when the t- when the time came that we were gonna make a movie about it, I really... That was the genesis of the Lizzie character, was that-

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       Mm-hmm.

   23. TSTom Segura47:13

       Right.

   24. SASean Anders47:14

       ... I wanted to make sure there was a teenager in this movie because they're, they're so misunderstood. And in the process, I went out and met with a bunch of families that had adopted teen girls, and then met with a lot of those girls who, some of whom are grown up and some of whom are still, you know, uh, with their families. And, and this is the thing. You know, the s- the scariness that we're all talking about. Every one of these families that I met with, just great stories. Like amazing great stories, like hard times, you know, try- trying to make that connection and whatever. But, but everybody with the same story, wouldn't have it any other way, changed our life for the better, met these incredible kids. And, uh ...

   25. TSTom Segura47:54

       Hm.

   26. SASean Anders47:54

       This is... Yeah, and now I'm yammering. But (laughs) I-

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:56

       (laughs)

   28. TSTom Segura47:57

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:57

       No, no, you're not yammering at all.

   30. TSTom Segura47:58

       Okay.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:02:16

   A friend of mine,…

   1. TSTom Segura1:00:00

      really feels like kind of a, I don't know, a risk assessment where you're like, "I didn't feel like that was, you know... Do I have damage?" I don't know, but I mean, once you get into college football is where I feel like that's where you're really playing with really good athletes.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      A friend of mine, a guy in his neighborhood, um, a kid who was 21 committed suicide. And, uh, he was a college player who was, uh, about to go in, to pull into the pros. He was 21 years old.

   3. TSTom Segura1:00:29

      Really?

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

      Yeah. And, um, he, uh, significant CTE, like just really ravaged.

   5. TSTom Segura1:00:36

      There's-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

      E- every year a player played tackle football under the age predicted, the early onset of cognitive problems by 2.4 years and behavioral and mood problems by 2.5 years. Yeah, but there's a study-

   7. TSTom Segura1:00:48

      Wow.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

      This is... Okay, the average study found that 211 players who were diagnosed with CTE after death who played tackle football before age 12 suffered from cognitive b- behavioral and mood symptoms earlier than those players who didn't start to play till after age 12.

   9. TSTom Segura1:01:02

      Wow.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       Um, they're saying that-Okay. Study included 246 former players, 211 of whom were diagnosed with CTE after death.

   11. TSTom Segura1:01:12

       Wow.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       That's insane.

   13. TSTom Segura1:01:14

       Well, in college there's, there's definitely ... There's no such thing as getting around real high impact hits.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       No such thing.

   15. TSTom Segura1:01:20

       That's it. Those are all people that know how to play. They're all athletes. You're gonna get-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       But here's the thing.

   17. TSTom Segura1:01:24

       ... rocked.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       What they're realizing now is that subconcussive trauma is what's responsible for the majority of brain damage.

   19. TSTom Segura1:01:32

       What's subconcussive?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       You not getting a concussion.

   21. TSTom Segura1:01:34

       Oh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       Yeah, you're just getting rattled.

   23. TSTom Segura1:01:37

       Yeah. Wow.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       So getting rattled, where it's not even fucking you up but over time-

   25. TSTom Segura1:01:40

       Over time that over and over.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       ... you have multiple hits that are just not, they're not knocking you out, they're just jostling you. You can even-

   27. TSTom Segura1:01:46

       Oh, this happened a lot.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

       Yeah. You even get it from getting hit to the body.

   29. TSTom Segura1:01:49

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

       You get hit to the body and your, uh, your head snaps back and you don't even get hit in the head. And you're, like, throwing up and your head's all fucked up.

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