Joe Rogan Experience #1230 - Killer Mike

1. 0:01 – 1:51

   Run the Jewels as workout fuel: weight loss goals, diet habits, and soda temptation

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Four, three, two, one. Boom! So I took a four and a half hour ride down to San Diego, 'cause my friend Brendan was filming a Showtime special.

   2. KMKiller Mike0:12

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      And it was Run the Jewels the entire way down and back.

   4. KMKiller Mike0:15

      Thank you, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      It was awesome.

   6. KMKiller Mike0:16

      Thank you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Woo! It was-

   8. KMKiller Mike0:18

      I, I wish could work out as hard as people work out to our music.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      (laughs)

   10. KMKiller Mike0:23

       Um-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Seriously, man.

   12. KMKiller Mike0:23

       I'd be- I'd be more ... I've lost 31 pounds, but I'd be 90 pounds down easy now.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       That was one of the things that I was saying.

   14. KMKiller Mike0:28

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       This is workout music.

   16. KMKiller Mike0:29

       Yeah. It is. It is. And Ellen and I are chubby as two fat little bears.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       (laughs)

   18. KMKiller Mike0:34

       But ... (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Well, you were saying you lost 31 pounds though. That's-

   20. KMKiller Mike0:36

       Yeah, 31 down.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       That's an accomplishment.

   22. KMKiller Mike0:37

       Th- I maybe picked up three over the holiday. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah.

   24. KMKiller Mike0:40

       But I'm on, I'm on my path. I really am. Shouts out to Al Claiborne, um, who's from out here, who's a hell of a trainer. If I had his discipline, I'd already be 100 pounds down, but the goal is 100 in the next 18 months.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       You can do it.

   26. KMKiller Mike0:51

       Yeah, I know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       100%.

   28. KMKiller Mike0:52

       I know. Okay. I gotta-

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       100%.

   30. KMKiller Mike0:53

       I'm ... I just- just eat bad and got lazy. That's all.
2. 1:51 – 3:44

   Cripa Cola: using a soda brand to channel gang entrepreneurship and legitimacy

   1. KMKiller Mike1:51

      Which is, which is which brings me to Cripa Cola.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:54

      Yeah, so what is Cripa Cola?

   3. KMKiller Mike1:55

      Cripa Co-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      You gave me two bottles of it, but I wanted to keep it in the refrigerator.

   5. KMKiller Mike1:57

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:57

      I want to enjoy it-

   7. KMKiller Mike1:58

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      ... at its perfect temperature.

   9. KMKiller Mike1:59

      Coca-Cola, Pepsi Cola, RC Cola, anything with cola, right? Has probably killed more Americans than anything else in the world, right? So anything that's cola. 'Cause Coca-Cola has provided tons of jobs in my hometown. I don't wanna diss them. They might promote a concert of mine, right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       (laughs)

   11. KMKiller Mike2:15

       But we know that sugary drinks aren't good for you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Right.

   13. KMKiller Mike2:19

       Yet we don't have an aversion to. We don't criminalize s- sugar. And my doctor literally told me, "Michael, sugar is poison," right? "I want you to work it out of your diet." But (clears throat) these kids that are members of these little punk-ass street fraternities, essentially gangs, we criminalize and villainize a bunch of teenagers who simply don't have anything to do. They don't have jobs. They don't have skills. They don't have organization. They don't have Police Athletic League like they used to. They don't have people engaging them in academics or sports the way they used to. So they just kind of, you know, mess off, fuck off, sometimes fuck up, and violence happens, right? If you could take those same kids with entrepreneurial spirit that'll sell you water on the side of a highway, and you add it to something the public already wants anyway, cola, you create something like Cripa Cola and B-Pop. And essentially what you're doing is creating the same sugary shit (laughs) that we all go buy and drink and we shouldn't, and now we're giving the structure of, say a Hells Angels, to say, "Yeah, (clears throat) you can say we're a criminal organization, but we still can sell you a fucking T-shirt, because we're now paying our taxes, we're now employing people, and we're now doing what we're supposed to do." And that's what I wanted to give, the gift to my friends who are- who are- who are members of street fraternities. And we actually pulled it off at the show. These guys actually b- managed to bring something as- in microcosm to the market in Atlanta. It did well enough for us to keep continue doing it, and I'm gonna see how far it can go.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       And what's in it?

   15. KMKiller Mike3:37

       Sugar, water-

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       (laughs)

   17. KMKiller Mike3:38

       ... artificial fl- uh, artificial, um, um, what is it? Food coloring, flavoring, that's it. It's ... I think it's six ingredients total in this kind of stuff.

3. 3:44 – 5:31

   Stevia, discipline, and mentors: building healthier routines with help

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:44

      Have you ever ... Do you know what Stevia is?

   2. KMKiller Mike3:47

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:47

      You ever fuck with Stevia?

   4. KMKiller Mike3:47

      You mean the fake sugar stuff you use?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      It's ... No. Stevia is, uh, soft drinks that are made with Stevia.

   6. KMKiller Mike3:53

      N- yeah, but the thing is, like, you know what I found out with me with sugar, Joe? It's either just do it or don't.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:58

      Mm-hmm.

   8. KMKiller Mike3:58

      Like for me, it's easier to- to do things that are actually a real just sugar, like a Mexican Coke, or just have, you know, some carbonated water with lemons in it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:06

      Mm-hmm.

   10. KMKiller Mike4:06

       I don't do well with imitation. It's kind of like getting a hand job. I want the whole thing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       I know what you're saying, but this stuff is good. It's- it's different. It's just flavored.

   12. KMKiller Mike4:14

       I've had some. My man Pooh Bear-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:15

       You have it? Yeah.

   14. KMKiller Mike4:15

       ... who writes for Justin Bieber, he's did it. It's just my ... I am such an addict of sugar.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       You want the real thing.

   16. KMKiller Mike4:20

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       Yeah.

   18. KMKiller Mike4:20

       So it doesn't make sense for me sometimes to tempt myself. Like, I- I'll do-

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       So you just drink water?

   20. KMKiller Mike4:24

       I just ... I do a lot of water now, a lot more water now, and I do a lot of club soda with lime, which I used to talk shit to LP about.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       (laughs)

   22. KMKiller Mike4:33

       "Ah, but you're drinking white guy drinks." You know? (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       (laughs)

   24. KMKiller Mike4:35

       And, and now it's you ... El is ordering a- a fucking, you know, he's ordering a drink-drink, and I'm just like, "Yeah, I'll take a club soda and lime."

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       (inhales) That's good, man. If you could stick on that path, I mean ...

   26. KMKiller Mike4:44

       Shouts out to my man Bear Loke, um, who is a friend and mentor. A lot of times you might see a guy with me, um, who does security. Bear introduced me to Shaolin Kung Fu. We've been basically kicking and punching and moving around. He also introduced me to a lot of the guests that are on your show, um, including, you know, guests that talk about intermittent fasting-

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       Mm-hmm.

   28. KMKiller Mike5:04

       ... that talks about getting rid of sugars and stuff. And he just loves me like a big brother, so he keeps me in tune with what's going on.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       It's always good-

   30. KMKiller Mike5:09

       He is the person that actually introduced me to Stevia.
4. 5:31 – 7:21

   Weed culture, sharing a joint, and the Elon Musk smoking moment

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:31

      Yeah, I mean, uh, talking to Elon Musk on the show about that.

   2. KMKiller Mike5:34

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:34

      When he was, um, talking to me about the thoughts that are boun- bouncing around inside of his head that he can't control, and that he's a ... It's always been his whole life, like, "You wouldn't want to be me." I was like, "Jesus Christ." I'm just-

   4. KMKiller Mike5:43

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:43

      ... thinking about it.

   6. KMKiller Mike5:44

      I thought I did something cool smoking with Maher, and that was definitely cool. But you getting Elon-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:48

      (laughs)

   8. KMKiller Mike5:48

      ... Musk to- to fucking smoke is-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:50

      (yawns)

   10. KMKiller Mike5:50

       ... classic stoner history in the making right there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:53

       Yeah, I didn't even th- ... The thing about it is, if I had any idea that people would react to it that way ...... I mean, I would just do that on a normal show. That's normal.

   12. KMKiller Mike6:02

       Yeah, I know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       It's California. It's legal.

   14. KMKiller Mike6:04

       Look, look-

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       I smoke weed. It's no big deal. It's fun.

   16. KMKiller Mike6:06

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       It's, uh, it's like a s- comradery thing. Everybody's-

   18. KMKiller Mike6:10

       I think so. I think so.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       Yeah. Everybody's, uh, sharing space together, smoking weed.

   20. KMKiller Mike6:12

       It's a peace vibe of sorts, absolutely.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       It's one of the only things you sip off that another man's lips touched.

   22. NANarrator6:18

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       Like, everybody does it.

   24. KMKiller Mike6:19

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       Right?

   26. KMKiller Mike6:20

       Uh, uh, well, women too, but we-

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       Yeah.

   28. KMKiller Mike6:21

       ... just don't admit to ourself-

   29. NANarrator6:23

       Yeah.

   30. KMKiller Mike6:23

       ... that there's another guy. (laughs)
5. 7:21 – 8:58

   Friendship, ethics, and bridge-building: Immortal Technique and real-world empathy

   1. KMKiller Mike7:21

      The coca leaves in, in Peru, when you, as you ascend up the mountain. Shouts out to Immortal Technique, my Peruvian raw rap friend.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:27

      I love that dude.

   3. KMKiller Mike7:28

      Yeah, I do too. I did-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:29

      He's a big man.

   5. KMKiller Mike7:30

      I, uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:30

      He's been on a couple times.

   7. KMKiller Mike7:31

      He's a great guy and a great human being, man.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:33

      Yeah.

   9. KMKiller Mike7:33

      You know?

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       Dude, that guy brought me a plate of his grandma's food to the podcast studio. That's how down home that dude is.

   11. KMKiller Mike7:41

       Yeah. He's one of the best human beings.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       Brought me a, a plate of food.

   13. KMKiller Mike7:44

       He's a great human, man. Like, he's a great- He- That, like, that's more the stuff I'm saying people need to do.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       Mm-hmm.

   15. KMKiller Mike7:49

       Instead of arguing ideas and extremes, you need to get with people who don't look like you or not culturally alike.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:55

       Yeah.

   17. KMKiller Mike7:55

       And you need to allow them to do things like that because-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Yeah.

   19. KMKiller Mike7:57

       ... that creates friendships, empathy, and builds bridges instead of burning 'em.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       Well, he's just a real dude.

   21. KMKiller Mike8:02

       He is.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       He's a real dude. Like-

   23. KMKiller Mike8:03

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:03

       ... who he is, is w- I mean, that is who he is.

   25. KMKiller Mike8:06

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:06

       He's got very strict ethics in his mind and-

   27. KMKiller Mike8:09

       He's a, he's- he's essentially-

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:10

       ... very smart.

   29. KMKiller Mike8:11

       He's like a soldier, you know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:12

       Mm-hmm.
6. 8:58 – 12:54

   The grind of entertainment: managers, agents, chitlin’ circuit gigs, and getting paid

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:58

      You know what it is, man? It's just fucking hard. Can you ima- imagine how hard it is, and you know how hard it is, to make it in, in entertainment as a performer.

   2. KMKiller Mike9:06

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:06

      Right? You know your path, how it's fucking difficult for everybody. Now, imagine you have to rely on other people performing. (slaps table) And you have to pick the winners.

   4. KMKiller Mike9:16

      Oh, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:16

      You gotta figure out who's, uh, who's gonna work for you and-

   6. KMKiller Mike9:18

      A bunch of addicts and emos.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:19

      Oh, they'll go crazy.

   8. KMKiller Mike9:20

      Like, in terms of the talent, like, we're- we're- w- I know I give my managers headaches three, four days a week.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:24

      (laughs)

   10. KMKiller Mike9:24

       God bless their souls, you know what I mean? I know I do. I, I really- like, my friend today who's with me, um, he's a promoter, E- E- E-Wright, Eric Milhousol. When I met him, we were doing a show. We were booked to do a show, um, me and another artist. Well, the other artist's contract didn't say pay regardless. Mine said pay regardless. So after the show, I went to get my fucking money. And everyone's like, "What? What are- what are you talking about? You don't get paid?" I'm like, "No, I want my fucking money." Or I think it may have been before, like, "I'm not going on." And E ends up snatching me in another office like, "Look, I'm gonna fucking pay you. Don't tell the other fucking guy."

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       Oh, Jesus.

   12. KMKiller Mike9:58

       And that's it. And that's how we became friends. I took my money.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       (laughs)

   14. KMKiller Mike10:01

       Acted like I didn't get paid.

   15. NANarrator10:03

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       (laughs)

   17. KMKiller Mike10:04

       Talked shit about him in front of the other guy. Then called him later like, "Man, I don't know what the fuck made you hold cold, but thank you. Anyway, we've been friends."

   18. NANarrator10:10

       (laughs)

   19. KMKiller Mike10:10

       And so when he called me and said, "You going to Joe Rogan's Experience," I'm like, "You're coming with me."

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       That's hilarious.

   21. KMKiller Mike10:15

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:16

       Yeah, those sketchy gigs when you're not sure if you're gonna get paid.

   23. KMKiller Mike10:18

       I know, bro.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       It's part of the business.

   25. KMKiller Mike10:19

       It- it's the Chitlin' Circuit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       Yeah.

   27. KMKiller Mike10:21

       You know? It's like me and TI playing Montgomery, Alabama in 2003.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:24

       Wow.

   29. KMKiller Mike10:25

       You know? (laughs) It's-

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:26

       The Chitlin' Circuit. Wow.
7. 12:54 – 20:16

   Freedom of speech heroes: Luther Campbell, Larry Flynt, and censorship as social control

   1. KMKiller Mike12:54

      Man, you got... Somebody has to, somebody has to shake the box a little bit. Somebody has to be the kid that's willing to poke the hornet's nest just to see how many will fly out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:03

      Yeah.

   3. KMKiller Mike13:03

      You know, my, two of my greatest heroes, (coughs) when Black people usually talk about heroes, right, we talk about Martin, Malcolm, uh, you know, Elijah Muhammad, Mar- um, Marcus Garvey and that. But two of my biggest heroes coming up were Luther Campbell and Larry Flynt, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:21

      (laughs)

   5. KMKiller Mike13:21

      Because in my lifetime, I saw Luther Campbell and Larry Flynt fight the government on behalf of the American people's right-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:28

      Yeah.

   7. KMKiller Mike13:28

      ... to say whatever they wanted to say. So at the same time in my formative years, I was learning to love the Bill of Rights and the preamble in U- United States Constitution, Constitution, I got a chance to see people fight for my right. And I couldn't wait to be a rapper just so I could curse and buy my own titty books. You know what I mean?

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:44

      Yeah.

   9. KMKiller Mike13:45

      And those people have shaped my life in terms of love of freedom and liberties as much as a Thurgood Marshall, you know, as, as much as a, as much as a Barbara Jordan, as much as a, as, uh, Shirley Chisholm. So for me, who I am is needed. You know, it's, it's a... And I remember one of my friends saying, "Mike, (coughs) I like the fact you talk on social issues. Um, but why do you always feel necessary to talk about smoking weed in strip clubs?" I say, "Because that's what I really do." And I never want someone to be able from the other side to say, "Don't like this guy because he smokes marijuana and goes to strip clubs." I want whoever they say that to to say, "Yeah, and he goes with his wife and they smoke together." I don't want it to be some secret I keep. I want people to understand that when I want you to be free, I don't want you to be free to agree to see the world the way I do. I want you to be free to live as you would like to live so long as it doesn't infringe on me and others.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:31

       That's supposed to be what this is all about.

   11. KMKiller Mike14:34

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:34

       That's supposed to be what this country's all about.

   13. KMKiller Mike14:35

       That's what Miss Ellenson told me-

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       (clears throat) Yeah.

   15. KMKiller Mike14:37

       ... in high school.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       Well, the Luther Campbell thing was so strange because it was that one area in Florida, right, where they had very strict-

   17. KMKiller Mike14:44

       Rou-

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:44

       ... blas- blasphemy laws.

   19. KMKiller Mike14:45

       Yes. Yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:46

       The- they've tried porn stars there before.

   21. KMKiller Mike14:48

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:48

       They tried some male porn star, was doing some really fucked up videos, they tried him down there for, for obscenity and they had him locked up. They, they, you know, it's very conservative.

   23. KMKiller Mike14:58

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       And they just decided that the 2 Live Crew was just too much.

   25. KMKiller Mike15:01

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:01

       They were like, they were drawing a line in the sand.

   27. KMKiller Mike15:02

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:02

       Huge... But it was, it's a crazy thing to do when something's very popular, you know? Like...

   29. KMKiller Mike15:07

       Yeah. It's, uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       You know?
8. 20:16 – 26:12

   Guns, self-defense, and training: constitutional arguments and practical safety

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:16

      (laughs) Well, you're a proponent of your... Your right to carry a gun.

   2. KMKiller Mike20:21

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:22

      Yeah.

   4. KMKiller Mike20:22

      And... And... And I'm a lover of the US... United States Constitution as a whole, of... Of... Of all our rights and amendments, but in particular, you know, the First and Second Amendment rights matter to me as an African American, as an... And as an American. First and foremost, as an African American, I've only been free 55 years. My parents were born in apartheid. And as an American, we are... We are a country that broke off from what we felt like was a tyranny of a monarchy, and we did that because farmers and guns dared to wage guerrilla warfare against, at that time, one of the largest armies and navies in the world. So I honor that by continuing to be in the spirit of those farmers, (laughs) you know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:58

      Mm-hmm.

   6. KMKiller Mike20:58

      In the c- in the continuance of Crispus Attucks, the first person to die in the American Revolution was a Black man, you know? So for me, I would dishonor those patriots who started this country and Crispus Attucks, and I would dishonor the lineage as an African American, who's only 55 years into freedom, by giving government my gun back. Uh, it's not something I believe in.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:17

      Um, government is people. Pro- part of the problem with giving government anything is that they're just people, they're not something special.

   8. KMKiller Mike21:23

      Absolutely.

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:24

      They're... They're not flawless.

   10. KMKiller Mike21:25

       Absolutely.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       You give people power over you and there's... They'll... They will... I mean, this is not saying we should stockpile guns and point them at the government, but-

   12. KMKiller Mike21:31

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       ... if people have guns, it's way harder to just take over cities.

   14. KMKiller Mike21:36

       Absolutely. Absolutely.

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       That shit happens-

   16. KMKiller Mike21:38

       Absol-

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       ... all the time-

   18. KMKiller Mike21:38

       Absolutely.

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       ... in other countries.

   20. KMKiller Mike21:39

       Absolutely.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       It does happen.

   22. KMKiller Mike21:40

       Absolutely. Absolutely.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       Where people get occupied. It's just-

   24. KMKiller Mike21:43

       Absolutely.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       And governments turn on them and governments change the rules, and pl- places that were democracies are no longer so.

   26. KMKiller Mike21:49

       Absolutely.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       That's... That's real.

   28. KMKiller Mike21:50

       And we're never far from it. As... As safe as you feel, you're never far from it. You're-

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:54

       But I think what... What we need more of is people like you that are... Uh, that are a reasonable, very educated in the matter-

   30. KMKiller Mike22:02

       Right.
9. 26:12 – 48:14

   Martial arts and bullying: confidence, discipline, and the risks of sparring

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:12

      But do you... Do you, do you really... How is it gonna stop bullying? Just by knowing that more kids know how to use guns, more kids are armed?

   2. KMKiller Mike26:18

      Guns don't stop bullying. No, boxing class stops bullying. Pimp C said that. "No one wants to fight somebody who's gonna fight back."

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:24

      I think you're right. I think for sure martial arts. Uh, I know wrestling does it.

   4. KMKiller Mike26:28

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:29

      It, it... One thing it can do though is make people more aggressive initially.

   6. KMKiller Mike26:32

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:33

      I mean, a lot of people just getting into it and learning how to fight a little bit.

   8. KMKiller Mike26:35

      I get that part.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:35

      It's like blue belt mentality.

   10. KMKiller Mike26:37

       That's why you get with your homies though. You go with your homies so you and your homies are just beating the shit out of each other and you're not picking on a kid at lunch.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:42

       Right.

   12. KMKiller Mike26:42

       You know what I mean? Like me and-

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:43

       Yeah.

   14. KMKiller Mike26:43

       ... Willie Spearman. I can remember sixth grade. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:48

       (laughs) The thing is though, man, you could hurt each other.

   16. KMKiller Mike26:50

       You could.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:50

       There's a horrible video, uh, did you see, um, the one that, um, uh... Who put it up? Um...

   18. NANarrator27:00

       Like, what was it?

   19. JRJoe Rogan27:01

       It was, uh, uh, one of those fight breakdown videos. Robin Black? Yes, it was Robin Black. Two Steves. They get in a fight and one Steve KOs the other Steve.

   20. KMKiller Mike27:08

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:08

       It's fucked up. Two dudes with boxing gloves on, they're friends, and one of them knew how to fight a little bit and the other one-

   22. KMKiller Mike27:13

       Oh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:13

       ... didn't know how to fight at all.

   24. KMKiller Mike27:14

       Don't do that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:14

       He knocks him out.

   26. KMKiller Mike27:16

       Don't do that to your homie, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:16

       His head bounces off the floor.

   28. KMKiller Mike27:18

       Damn.

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:18

       Yeah. I think, uh, martial arts in general is great for kids to stop bullying.

   30. KMKiller Mike27:22

       Yeah.
10. 48:14 – 1:01:18

    Poverty, prisons, and the 13th Amendment loophole: incentives that keep cages full

    1. KMKiller Mike48:14

       Yeah.

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:14

       ... is that we haven't put more of an emphasis in finding the spots that are, that are the ghettos and the terrible neighborhoods in this country and figuring out a way to build them up.

    3. KMKiller Mike48:23

       Absolutely.

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:23

       Just make it even.

    5. KMKiller Mike48:24

       We know-

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:25

       Figure out a way.

    7. KMKiller Mike48:26

       We know unequivocally where jobs and commerce are present and economic opportunity and prosperity occur, there's a dramatic reduction and an elimination in gang violence.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:37

       Yeah.

    9. KMKiller Mike48:38

       Yet we do not put resources into building institutions that will create entrepreneurs or work on the soft skills so the kids can be working at and around production houses, studios. We put that money into prisons.

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:53

        Yeah.

    11. KMKiller Mike48:53

        And then we use prison labor to undercut things like call centers, um, things that, that, that jobs, I mean, that factories may need. And w- we are doing a disservice by doing that. We, and I always say we because we look to our quote unquote "leaders" and blame them when so many times we allow it, you know? We allow this to happen by not paying attention and not voting. We allow it to happen by not raising our voice even though we know someone in prison and saying, "This is wrong." You know, the last people... I d- I don't believe, just for the record, I, I don't believe in the big three, the Abrahamic religions. I'm not into them. But the books I've read, and they're amazing graphic novels. I kind of read them like a, like a n- like a graphic novel of sorts, right? And when you look at the people who Christ died with, right? It w- he was a, he was up there with thieves. The last person he saved before he got out of here was a thief, was a, was a confessed thief, was dying right next to him and he was like, "You know, we gonna go on this together." That's, that's an amazing thing. So as you're serving your savior or your messiah, you need to be thinking about who he spent his time with. You know, he was with liars and thieves. He was in the streets. He was with people who alleged to be prostitutes. And I think that if we start to turn our attention to those places and we put our intentions in good there, we do produce on the ou- on the other side better. But as long as we look at religion as something that makes us holy, makes us clean, washes us of our sins, and, and we become pious in that, I think religion will s- be something that's forever kind of harmful and help to create that. And I think that, that, that believing that some people are good or evil doesn't allow us to say, "Well, what could we do to fix those ghettos, to fix those depressed areas?" Because for every ghetto, where I'm from, for every ghetto that's in a city in the South, I can show you a mountainous region with a trailer park that's just as bad.

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:35

        For sure.

    13. KMKiller Mike50:35

        And those-

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:35

        Yeah.

    15. KMKiller Mike50:35

        And those, and those kids deserve a life better than OxyContin addiction and, and turmoil and pain too.

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:41

        You're right, 100%. 100%. And it, I feel like there's money to be made doing it too. I mean, I feel like there's-

    17. KMKiller Mike50:47

        Yeah!

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:47

        ... jobs, there's a, I feel like-

    19. KMKiller Mike50:48

        Yes!

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:49

        ... it's an ignored resource.

    21. KMKiller Mike50:50

        Yes. Yes, man. I follow a kid named Turbo Jesus.

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:53

        What the fuck? I know him though.

    23. KMKiller Mike50:53

        Follow a kid named Turbo Jesus in Alabama, man.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:56

        I'll follow anybody named Turbo Jesus.

    25. KMKiller Mike50:57

        His name's Turbo Jesus. This kid, listen to me, man.

    26. JRJoe Rogan51:00

        (laughs)

    27. KMKiller Mike51:00

        He is amazing, man. I, I, like, he's-

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:01

        I believe you.

    29. KMKiller Mike51:02

        I don't, I'm not a big... Confederate flag just doesn't bother me as much, all, all right? Not saying that you gotta pass, just, it, it's, I've lived with it so long, it's just kind of like, eh, you know?

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:11

        Right.
11. 1:01:18 – 1:11:21

    Reentering neighborhoods: ownership, gentrification, and building Black business corridors

    1. KMKiller Mike1:01:18

       Roxanne Shanté talked about reentrification. She said, you know, she, she doesn't want to hear people com- keep complaining about gentrification when the kids that are leaving these neighborhoods, whether they sing, dance, rap or not, or just go get good jobs and go be decent human beings, you should be reentering your neighborhoods. You should be buying houses or pieces of land there. One of the most impressive things... One of my favorite players was John Stockton. And I don't know if it's true or not, but I read a story that he actually bought a house right on the street he grew up in. So, in the off season, he'd go back essentially home with his kids. So, they'd had some type of normalization to their life. You- we should be doing that, you know. Um, TI and I have bought properties together in the same neighborhoods we grew up in. We're developing things like restaurants and stuff. I'd like to see more athletes and rappers become the merchant and business class in that way. And I'd like to see people who grew up in neighborhoods move back to those neighborhoods they grew up in, like, like the typical iconic American dream, you know? You can build a, you know, another 8,000 square foot in the back of your A-frame house if you want to. But you shouldn't be going to 54- 60 minutes outside the city and then complaining about the blight of the city because you took yourself away. You took the talent and the resources away.

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