Joe Rogan Experience #1242 - Tim Pool

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Three, two, one. Hello,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Three, two, one. Hello, Tim.

   2. TPTim Pool0:06

      How's it going?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Uh, thanks for finally being here.

   4. TPTim Pool0:08

      (laughs) Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Uh, long story, right?

   6. TPTim Pool0:10

      Oh, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Uh, I definitely drank too much coffee before we get here, so if I appear, appear like cracked out, I sw- I swear to God I'm not on pills. But, uh-

   8. TPTim Pool0:17

      Glad to hear it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      But, um, so we had a nice conversation on the phone about deplatforming and social media. And, um, one, what was very obvious to me in talking to you was that you're way more schooled on this than I am. So that's why I wanted to have this conversation with you-

   10. TPTim Pool0:34

       Right on.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       ... because-

   12. TPTim Pool0:34

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       ... part of what was ... Like, I've re-listened to my podcast with Jack and, um, you had a good criticism of it. I agree with a lot of what you said. First of all, I agree that it was kinda boring.

   14. TPTim Pool0:45

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       And it was, I think, in many, for many reasons it was my fault. Uh, I don't think I prepared enough for it, and I also don't think I understood the magnitude of how other people felt about deplatforming on Twitter and, uh, in all social media, YouTube and all these different things, and what the ramifications are and how y- how much this means to people to have very clear and obviou- obvious free speech outside of very egregious examples of like threats and doxxing and things like that.

   16. TPTim Pool1:19

       Right, right. I-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Which I think we can all agree, right?

   18. TPTim Pool1:21

       I think this problem might be one of the, like, one of the worst problems we're facing right now politically.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       Yes.

   20. TPTim Pool1:28

       You know, the Twitter is where public discourse is happening. It's where journalists are, and this is a problem, sourcing a lot of their stories.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Yes.

   22. TPTim Pool1:35

       So if you have somebody who's completely removed from public discourse, that, that, that's exile.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       Yeah.

   24. TPTim Pool1:40

       You know? I can, I can imagine why some people kinda lose their minds when that happens.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       And, um, I think going into that conversation with him, well, that's what I wanted it to be. That's why I don't really interview people. You know, I kinda have conversations with them.

   26. TPTim Pool1:53

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       Occasionally we have disagreements and we, you know, we talk about things, and you know ... But it's not ... I don't have a, a, like a mandate. My only con- The, the only thing I wanted to get out of the conversation is I wanted to find out what it was like to start that organization and to have no idea when you were doing it that it was going to be essentially like one of the most important distribution at- uh, re- avenues for information.

   28. TPTim Pool2:21

       An act- an activist buddy, an activist buddy of mine asked me if I knew why people smash windows, smash Starbucks. It's not because they think they're gonna cause damage. It's because they wanna strike a symbol down of something they view oppresses them.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:31

       Mm-hmm.

   30. TPTim Pool2:32

       Jack Dorsey is that symbol to a lot of people.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   D- I g- I…

   1. TPTim Pool15:00

      D- I g- I guess it depends on how conspiratorial you wanna get.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      Yeah.

   3. TPTim Pool15:02

      But Julian Assange, they, they, they've labeled him ... Like, the intelligence agencies, I'm, I can't remember, I think it may, may have been James Clapper, said that he is acting as a private, uh, intelligence adversary of the US or something to that effect. So-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Of Russia, you mean?

   5. TPTim Pool15:17

      No. That Julian Assange is acting independently against the US.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      Oh, against it.

   7. TPTim Pool15:20

      And that ... Right, right, right. And so that ... The, the leaks Assange put out are very damaging to the US.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      Right.

   9. TPTim Pool15:25

      I think that's fair to say.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       Sure.

   11. TPTim Pool15:27

       They don't like him. So, you know. Then he ends up getting accused of, uh, I believe molestation. I'm, I'm, I'm ... It's been years.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       No, I think it was secret se- or s- ... What was it?

   13. TPTim Pool15:38

       It's, it's, it's pretty complicated.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       He w- well, he was having consensual sex with a woman-

   15. TPTim Pool15:42

       In a condom room.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       ... and then ... No, no, no. I don't think so. I think while they're in the, in bed. Then the accusation was that he, without a condom on, he had sex with her again.

   17. TPTim Pool15:52

       I don't think that's ... You know, I'll be honest. It's been years, but I don't think that's the case.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       I thought that's what it was.

   19. TPTim Pool15:56

       There, there is, uh ... I'll say this. There ... It, it's been years. I think ... you know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Yeah.

   21. TPTim Pool16:01

       But there was reference to a condom breaking, and I think what happened was-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Hmm.

   23. TPTim Pool16:04

       ... he said it was fine or something.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       Hmm.

   25. TPTim Pool16:07

       But, but, you know, outside of that, you know, the guy's been locked up for how long, you know? I, I think, I think it was the UN said something like, "It's a violation of his human rights," or whatever, and-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Yeah, we went over it. It was like, what is it? Six years? I think he's been-

   27. TPTim Pool16:18

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       ... locked up for more than six years.

   29. TPTim Pool16:20

       Yeah, it's crazy. And it's because there's an in- uh, a, um ... Man, this is getting a little bit out of my wheelhouse.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Right.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Hm. …

   1. TPTim Pool30:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      Hm.

   3. GUGuest30:00

      I-

   4. TPTim Pool30:00

      Or, or maybe there's, there's the truce between-

   5. GUGuest30:02

      I think it just has to get marked by someone as saying this is inappropriate, and if enough people that follow a porn star don't think it's inappropriate, it doesn't then get flagged in the system.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Well, that's hilarious.

   7. GUGuest30:11

      I think.

   8. TPTim Pool30:11

      This, this is good news. I think we may have found the, uh, the Switzerland of the culture war.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      Porn.

   10. TPTim Pool30:16

       Yeah, no one wants to ban porn.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       (laughs)

   12. TPTim Pool30:18

       The, the, the, the left and the right, they're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Hold on. Not, not porn."

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.

   14. TPTim Pool30:22

       "We can ban them for their ideas-"

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       Yeah.

   16. TPTim Pool30:24

       "... but just leave the porn alone."

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       Yeah.

   18. TPTim Pool30:26

       But, but the point-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       Okay.

   20. TPTim Pool30:26

       ... I was making is you see antifa at Berkeley.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Yeah.

   22. TPTim Pool30:29

       $100,000 worth of damage, throwing Molotov cocktails, threatening people. In, uh, in Portland, you had a Bernie voter-... carrying an American flag. These, uh, anti-fascists, the Antifa, tried stealing the flag from him, clubbed him over the head, gave him a concussion, and put him in the hospital. So when I see the, the ramifications of ire from the left or the right, what does, what do conservatives do? I mean, the GOP couldn't even find a yearbook in the Virginia governor race. I don't think they're considered to be that big of a cultural threat. They react to things, they get upset about things that are unfair against them, but they don't go through the streets with clubs and bricks and smash windows like Antifa and other, you know, far leftists do. So-

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Well, if they do, they're considered racist. It's always, like, some sort of a racist mob. That was the, that's like the label they could put on them. Right?

   24. TPTim Pool31:10

       Yeah. And then, you know-

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       Like, that was the label that was put on the Proud Boys almost immediately, right?

   26. TPTim Pool31:15

       Yep.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       That they were white supremacists, even though there was people of color that were amongst their ranks.

   28. TPTim Pool31:20

       And, well, they changed the definition of racist, so-

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       Do you know what the whole origin of the Proud Boys is?

   30. TPTim Pool31:24

       I do, yes.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   But it's- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

   2. TPTim Pool45:00

      But it's-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      ... this is gonna work.

   4. TPTim Pool45:01

      But it's not a conspiracy. It's just like-minded people who are only ever around each other-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Right.

   6. TPTim Pool45:07

      ... sharing the same things among each other, believing all the same things. And so you'll notice that certain words emerge specifically among certain groups, you know. Like the left will use certain words and then if ... Like "learn to code" doesn't appear that much in left-wing rhetoric, but it-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      Right.

   8. TPTim Pool45:21

      ... the, the conservatives and the anti-identitarian types understand what it is. And so-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:26

      The, the justification for banning someone for saying "learn to code" regardless of the context seems insane.

   10. TPTim Pool45:31

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       That seems insane.

   12. TPTim Pool45:32

       It, it seems like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       That, that one in particular is almost indefen- I mean, not almost. That's indefensible.

   14. TPTim Pool45:37

       Absolutely. Like there have been people who, uh ... But l- let me, let me, let me be fair.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Okay.

   16. TPTim Pool45:42

       There are people on the left who have been banned, absolutely. Uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       100%.

   18. TPTim Pool45:45

       There was a lot of Venezuelan accounts that were banned and, uh, a lot of people were very critical. I saw Abby Martin was, was criticizing this-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       Yes.

   20. TPTim Pool45:51

       ... because they accused them of being government actors 'cause they were pro-Venezuelan government. But the mo-, the, the one thing ... There are some Occupy Wall Street activists who absolutely detest me. They lie about me. I do not like them for doing this. They were banned abruptly for literally no reason. And this is what's more worrisome to me is that no one defended them. No one defended them because conservatives certainly won't, but neither will the mainstream, you know, i- ideological left. These are activists for class issues, for international issues. They're on the left squarely. And they were accused I guess of being bots or something. Just, it was just an abrupt purge of like 50 accounts. And some of them were like independent citizen journalists, just wiped out. And-

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       With no recourse.

   22. TPTim Pool46:33

       No recourse. None whatsoever. So yeah, I mean, at some point you have to realize how important Twitter is when the president is on it. Could you imagine if there was a physical space where ch- where everyone was talking and the president shows up and everyone keeps yelling at him and they're all talking because you had that lawsuit where they said it was a public forum? Imagine that happens and then a private, private individual bars you from hearing what the president has to say. Right? It's a complicated issue. Uh, I-

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:00

       Very.

   24. TPTim Pool47:01

       You know, you, you get a lot of people on the left saying private businesses can do whatever they want. That blew my mind because the left was usually about not letting massive, multinational, billion-dollar corporations get away with suppressing speech, but-

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       Well, that was another thing that people got pissed at me about Jack Dorsey and rightly so, that he said that it's a human right-

   26. TPTim Pool47:16

       Yeah, and then he unbelieved that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       ... that to be able to communicate online as a human, but the fact that he said it, but yet all these people are banned. So like-

   28. TPTim Pool47:23

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:23

       ... how ... Like to take away someone's human right, it, there should be an egregious example. I mean, it should be something like-

   30. TPTim Pool47:33

       I mean-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:03:07

   But don't you remember…

   1. TPTim Pool1:00:00

      it is, it is, it is a tribal sign among anti-identi- anti-intersectionals and Trump supporters.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      But don't you remember when... W- was there... There was a woman that got in trouble for... She was in court and she had it on her arm. She was just standing there like that.

   3. TPTim Pool1:00:14

      That's so insane.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      So insane. Because she was basically... I mean-

   5. TPTim Pool1:00:17

      She had her finger and her thumb like that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      Yeah. Look... Yeah. You, I mean-

   7. TPTim Pool1:00:19

      And they said... And they, and they went wild with it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      Yeah, she's making a white power symbol.

   9. TPTim Pool1:00:22

      So you have to understand when I see that and I see that, you cut me out.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       Right. But there's a difference between someone just moving their hands around and doing this and, you know, making a weird thing on their arm.

   11. TPTim Pool1:00:30

       She did, she did full on do it the next day though.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       Probably on purpose. Fuck you.

   13. TPTim Pool1:00:34

       Maybe. But, but, but, but it's the okay sign.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Or maybe that's what she does when she puts her arm there. Yeah, it's just the okay sign.

   15. TPTim Pool1:00:38

       But listen, you, you have to assume she's watching the news then.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       Right. Yes.

   17. TPTim Pool1:00:40

       I w- I would. She's sitting at the Kavanaugh hearing. But it's entirely possible, though albeit unlikely, that she was just telling somebody okay. Like, listen-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       Or that she was... She's used to doing that with her arm and she doesn't even think about it.

   19. TPTim Pool1:00:52

       There's... There's... You're allowed to make assumptions, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       Yeah.

   21. TPTim Pool1:00:55

       And operate off assumptions. But eventually you start getting off so crazy. And, you know, how many assumptions are you gonna believe-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       Right.

   23. TPTim Pool1:01:01

       ... until you believe even the moon landing was fake?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       Let me ask you this though. Don't you think that some people do that and they do it because they're making the symbol for white power?

   25. TPTim Pool1:01:11

       Some as in, what? 10, 15, 20?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       I don't know.

   27. TPTim Pool1:01:14

       I, I think-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       I mean, I don't know about a number.

   29. TPTim Pool1:01:15

       Like, like I said, listen, nothing's absolute. I'd be, I'm pretty sure there are probably some white supremacists who do that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:52:05