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Rogan revisits Jack Dorsey episode and why deplatforming matters
- JRJoe Rogan
Three, two, one. Hello, Tim.
- TPTim Pool
How's it going?
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, thanks for finally being here.
- TPTim Pool
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, long story, right?
- TPTim Pool
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, I definitely drank too much coffee before we get here, so if I appear, appear like cracked out, I sw- I swear to God I'm not on pills. But, uh-
- TPTim Pool
Glad to hear it.
- JRJoe Rogan
But, um, so we had a nice conversation on the phone about deplatforming and social media. And, um, one, what was very obvious to me in talking to you was that you're way more schooled on this than I am. So that's why I wanted to have this conversation with you-
- TPTim Pool
Right on.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because-
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... part of what was ... Like, I've re-listened to my podcast with Jack and, um, you had a good criticism of it. I agree with a lot of what you said. First of all, I agree that it was kinda boring.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it was, I think, in many, for many reasons it was my fault. Uh, I don't think I prepared enough for it, and I also don't think I understood the magnitude of how other people felt about deplatforming on Twitter and, uh, in all social media, YouTube and all these different things, and what the ramifications are and how y- how much this means to people to have very clear and obviou- obvious free speech outside of very egregious examples of like threats and doxxing and things like that.
- TPTim Pool
Right, right. I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Which I think we can all agree, right?
- TPTim Pool
I think this problem might be one of the, like, one of the worst problems we're facing right now politically.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TPTim Pool
You know, the Twitter is where public discourse is happening. It's where journalists are, and this is a problem, sourcing a lot of their stories.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TPTim Pool
So if you have somebody who's completely removed from public discourse, that, that, that's exile.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
You know? I can, I can imagine why some people kinda lose their minds when that happens.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, um, I think going into that conversation with him, well, that's what I wanted it to be. That's why I don't really interview people. You know, I kinda have conversations with them.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Occasionally we have disagreements and we, you know, we talk about things, and you know ... But it's not ... I don't have a, a, like a mandate. My only con- The, the only thing I wanted to get out of the conversation is I wanted to find out what it was like to start that organization and to have no idea when you were doing it that it was going to be essentially like one of the most important distribution at- uh, re- avenues for information.
- TPTim Pool
An act- an activist buddy, an activist buddy of mine asked me if I knew why people smash windows, smash Starbucks. It's not because they think they're gonna cause damage. It's because they wanna strike a symbol down of something they view oppresses them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
Jack Dorsey is that symbol to a lot of people.
- 3:29 – 4:08
Trusting (or not trusting) Jack Dorsey: 'Conduct' vs 'content' enforcement
- TPTim Pool
I don't believe any of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
You don't?
- TPTim Pool
I don't trust that guy, not at all.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- TPTim Pool
Um, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Why don't you trust him?
- TPTim Pool
I mean, first of all, there's the obvious thing that he's running these, a bunch of companies.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
I, I, I could be wrong, but I believe he actually left Twitter. He wasn't the CEO for a while. They brought him back in or something. But it either sounds like-
- JRJoe Rogan
We should probably check on that and see if that's-
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that's true.
- TPTim Pool
You know, I, I, I try to avoid asserting things that I'm not 100% sure on, but ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Me too, but I do it all the time anyway.
- TPTim Pool
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTim Pool
Uh, Jack says things like, he said to you, he said to Congress, I believe he, he said to Congress, um, "We don't ban people based on the content. We ban people based on their conduct."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TPTim Pool
Okay. You, you ha- you literally have a, a terms of service that ban specific content.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- 4:08 – 8:39
Case study: Meghan Murphy, misgendering rules, and ideological bias
- TPTim Pool
Like, what do you mean you don't ban people based on content? There's a ... You know, I'll, I'll, I'll just get into naming some people, right? Meghan Murphy, for example, is a feminist.
- JRJoe Rogan
Who's Meghan Murphy? Is she ... Okay. She's that woman that the, the whole issue with, uh-
- TPTim Pool
Men Aren't Women.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Ame- Men Right, right.
- TPTim Pool
So, so here, here's- this is what- this is what's important. She was responding to somebody.
- JRJoe Rogan
Please explain that for-
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... so this could be standalone, because we talked about it yesterday with Sam Harris, but ...
- TPTim Pool
Um, so I, I don't know too much about Meghan Murphy, but she's a feminist. She's a, what they call a trans-exclusionary radical feminist, but I think that that might be offensive.
- JRJoe Rogan
It says, "Let's remember why Jack Dorsey was fired as Twitter CEO." He was fired?
- TPTim Pool
Oh, there you go.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. Well, well, let's see what it says.
- TPTim Pool
2008.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is in Fortune. 2008?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was ... There wasn't even a ... Was there a Twitter-
- TPTim Pool
Yeah. Yeah. I think there was.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in 2008? Jesus Christ. Um, "Dorsey's management was so problematic, Twitter's board fired ..." This is an opinion piece. "Fired him in 2008, offering him a passive chairman role and silent board seat. 2010, he was founding square, square ... He went rogue." Okay. So something happened.
- TPTim Pool
You know, you know, it's funny as you called it an opinion piece, but do they?
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know.
- TPTim Pool
That's, that's where we're at in journalism today.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, when someone said ... Well, it has to be an opinion piece when someone says it was so problematic, right? I mean, that's an opinion. I mean-
- TPTim Pool
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the real, the real facts are he was fired. You know, you could state the specific reason that was stated by the company, and that would be a non-opinion piece.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But as soon as you flavor it-
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, it's ... It's all opinion.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. It is, right?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is a c- That is an issue, right? With information, the distribution of information that's flavored by opinion and ideology.
- 8:39 – 11:37
Political labels, 'alt-right adjacent,' and why slogans replace arguments
- JRJoe Rogan
... I should point out before we go any further, before you get called alt-right, you ve- you're very left, right?
- TPTim Pool
Um, I, you know, I typically say center left.
- JRJoe Rogan
Center left.
- TPTim Pool
Like, uh, oh God, people were saying, "How many time-" someone commented, "How many times will Tim mention he's a social liberal?" Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
... I'm center left. Uh, I was a big fan of Bernie, you know, uh, Bernie Sanders. He's still one of my favorite politicians. Uh, people then call me a socialist. You know, conservatives call me left, left calls me right, whatever, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, these labels are so fucking toxic.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so confusing to people, and it, and it causes so much, so much division between two sides that might not even differ that much.
- TPTim Pool
You know, the funny thing about it is, I got my start during Occupy Wall Street, and conservatives called me far left, because I was reporting on the protests, what they were doing, police brutality-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
... the arrests. They said, "This is a far left activist." Now that I'm ... And I, I've always been critical of the more extreme factions. Like I've got interviews from seven, you know, six, seven years ago where I'm critical of these people. Now all of a sudden they're accusing me of being alt-right-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... for being critical of extremists in masks, you know, starting fires and things like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or alt-right adjacent, that's my new favorite.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, boot licker, alt-right adjacent.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh, boot licker.
- TPTim Pool
Boot licker. That's, that's ... You know, there's a lot of phrases that people use that mean literally nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Boot licking.
- TPTim Pool
Um, one of, one of my favorites is, to keep in the context of Twitter, they say freedom of speech, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. That literally doesn't mean anything. It literally means nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, well that's just trying to skirt around freedom of speech. That's what that is.
- TPTim Pool
So what ends up happening-
- JRJoe Rogan
But, but you agree with that, like you should be able to speak your mind but you, there's certain consequences to certain things that you say.
- TPTim Pool
If I throw this bottle at the wall, there's a consequence. Well, that's if I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's a physical moosh- motion.
- TPTim Pool
If I drink this water, there's a consequence, I'll have to go to the bathroom.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
So to say, to, to point out that actions have consequence is not actually addressing any of the issues. It's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
... it's just literally saying nothing. But it's, it's, it's almost, it's just like a, you can predict when someone will say it, and it's usually when a, a specific person is banned they'll say freedom of speech, freedom of consequence, all that stuff.
- 11:37 – 17:29
Selective enforcement on Twitter: Milo, verification badges, and Assange
- TPTim Pool
Absolutely. Um, but then I'd have to ... The, the reason why I don't think it was a mistake very simply is, for one, we can see the ideological bent to their rules. But then you look at someone like Milo Yiannopoulos. Like, I'm not a fan of Milo. I have to make sure like everybody knows that. But just because I'm critical of the actions taken against him doesn't mean I support him. But why was he banned? 'Cause he tweeted at Leslie Jones?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. And the idea was that his tweet caused his fans to attack her, which I think is, that's a stretch.
- TPTim Pool
That's, that's, that's just, that's just ridiculous.
- JRJoe Rogan
He, he didn't say go get her. He didn't-
- TPTim Pool
No, he didn't.
- JRJoe Rogan
... say attack her.
- TPTim Pool
He was just tweeting at her.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, yeah, and you know, what did he call her? Ugly? Did he say something like that?
- TPTim Pool
He was in- he was insulting her. I think he called her ugly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he was, he was mocking this feminist version of Ghostbusters.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what he was doing. He was talking ... It was like a critique of the movie.Look, I, I've had Milo on the podcast way back in the day. I had him on twice. I enjoy talking to him. He's hilarious. He's very smart, he's very witty. He's a character. He's very much a provocateur.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he's also, you know, he's pushing buttons on purpose. Like, he's trying to get reactions from people. And-
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
Trolling.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I mean, I almost think, like, he married a, a Black guy just to let people know he's not gay.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or let, let people know whether he's not racist. It's-
- TPTim Pool
But-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's hilarious in that way.
- TPTim Pool
I, I, I wouldn't, I would never say something like that, but I, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
I wouldn't say that either, but I almost think it. You know what I mean? But he's-
- TPTim Pool
Sure. You can understand why Milo would do that.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's calculated.
- TPTim Pool
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I mean-
- TPTim Pool
But, but listen-
- JRJoe Rogan
But I don't think he did that. I don't think he did that. I should be clear.
- 17:29 – 19:02
Laura Loomer, public officials, and the need for transparent policy explanations
- TPTim Pool
So, one o- So, another, another interesting thing we can sorta segue into is, why was Laura Loomer banned? You don't have to be a fan of Laura Loomer. You can, you can question her politics.
- JRJoe Rogan
Was she banned before or after she jumped Nancy Pelosi's fence?
- TPTim Pool
Before.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTim Pool
But she's ... You know, I'll say this, man. Like, I, I, I tweeted about it. If ... Oh, God. Talking about Twitter. If you ... Even if you don't like her, you gotta admit, she knows how to get press.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
She, she knows how to generate that buzz.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
And, and she's d- really good at it. So ... But here's the thing. She got banned permanently because she tweeted to, I believe it was Ilhan Omar, criticism about Sharia law. She accused, uh ... I, I, I c- you know, you can pull up the tweet. But I, I, I think she accused Ilhan of promoting Sharia, which results in, like, all these horrific things, and they banned her for it. Okay. Disagree with her all you want, but that was her criticizing a politician.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
You can't have a lawsuit against Jo- Donald Trump claiming you can't, you know, you-... Trump can't block somebody-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
... because it's a public forum. But then when it comes to a Congressperson, pub- you know, just permanently ban someone for saying something critical of their ideology.
- JRJoe Rogan
And th- I think what's really critical here is that there has to be some sort of clarification for what policies were violated and how they were violated. Like that, that seems to be especially for public figures-
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because it's one thing if we don't know a person or their background, but when you know a person, whether it's a Laura Loomer or a Milo Yiannopoulos and it's a public case, and then th- you, you get this feeling that they'll say, "No, 'cause we decide." (slams desk) And this is it.
- 19:02 – 22:37
'Learn to Code' suspensions and how journalists shape enforcement narratives
- TPTim Pool
Well, well, well, Joe, don't worry because no matter what Twitter does, they're going to be defended by the New York digital, you know, journalist elites who will misrepresent what's going on in an effort to obfuscate or sometimes outright lie about what's going on. And this brings me to Learn to Code.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, okay. Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So Learn to Code. So-
- TPTim Pool
So-
- JRJoe Rogan
... I asked you about this the other day-
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that people are getting banned for Learn to Code. I'm like, "What the fuck is that?" Like what is that?
- TPTim Pool
So when coal miners were getting laid off, a bunch of articles emerged saying, "Teaching Miners to Code," "Can we teach miners how to code?" And they were showing videos about it. I don't believe it was- it wasn't intended to be, uh, derogatory or insulting, but to a lot of people it came off as this bourgeois let them eat cake. Oh, your career-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- TPTim Pool
... has been destroyed? You're, you're, you're a 50-year-old man with a family? Go to Silicon Valley and do something you've never even thought about.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
Right? Let's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
So it came off as, uh, to a lot of people as just elitist.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
So when these journalists start getting laid off, this meme spreads, I don't know exactly where it started, um, where they say, "Learn to Code" to the journalists. Well, this, uh, uh, an interesting thing happens. Jon Levine, I think is his name, from TheWrap tweets, "Someone from Twitter told me, 'You will, you can, you can be banned for tweeting 'learn to code' at a laid-off journalist.'" Conservatives start tweeting it far and wide like, "Here we go. This is a reporter from TheWrap who's confirmed this." All of a sudden then other journalists can- come out and say, "This is a lie. This is not true. This is fake news. Conservatives are spreading fake news again." And they say, "We have a new up- a new statement from Twitter that said, 'We're only banning, we're only banning people who are engaging in a harassment campaign.'" Well, now you got a few problems. Is tweeting a meme at somebody critical of them a harassment campaign?
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that a meme?
- TPTim Pool
Uh, yeah. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
It's like it condenses an idea and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
So here's the thing. I got sent a bunch of screen- screenshots from people. Now people can fake screenshots, I understand that. Some- but, but I checked some people's Twitter accounts, I saw that they were tweeting this, and I believe for the most part this is what happened. Someone tweeted something to a BuzzFeed journalist. You know, "Oh, you guys believed X, Y, and Z. Yeah, whatever. #learntocode." Criticizing them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
Suspension.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTim Pool
So then these, these journalists come out and say, "This is not true. It's just people engaging in a harassment campaign." So I said, "Look at this guy's account. He's got one tweet that says 'learn to code.' Is that him harassing somebody?" And they said, "Oh, but you're taking it out of context." Then Jon Levine from TheWrap says, "Update. Twitter spokesperson, who was my source, is now saying, clarifying it is about the harassment campaign." And then another journalist comes out and says, "He, his quote's fake. Twitter is denying ever saying it." But here's the thing. The editor in chief of The Daily Caller just a couple d- I think a couple days ago, took a, uh, a tweet from The Daily Show and, and he, it was this, it was, uh, uh, from The State of the Union, and he tweeted "learn to code" and quote-tweeted a video. Suspended. So it's very clearly not about a harassment campaign, but why then were all of these journalists so ready to jump up and defend Twitter when Twitter s- st- uh, you know what I said? Okay, if Twitter is claiming they're banning people who are engaging in a harassment campaign, you, you mean they've confirmed they're banning people for tweeting "learn to code," they just consider it harassment. How is it that "learn to code" is harassment but Kathy Griffin saying to all of her millions of fans, "I want these kids' names" several times, or another verified account I'm not gonna name because it's not as famous literally calling for the death of these kids and instructing people to kill them is not a bannable offense, it's not harassment campaign?
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that true?
- TPTim Pool
Uh, I don't wanna, I don't wanna mention the guy's name.
- JRJoe Rogan
You don't have to mention the name.
- 22:37 – 52:25
Antifa vs Proud Boys and why platform bias tracks cultural intimidation
- TPTim Pool
We've got the Proud Boys, all of them purged from Twitter. Okay? Say whatever you want about the Proud Boys. If they deserve to be banned, fine. Why wasn't Antifa banned? A lot of people respond to me and say, "But Tim, Antifa is random people who wear masks, you don't know." That's not true. There are branded cells of Antifa that have their own merchandise, still active. Some of these groups have published the private information of law enforcement officers, still active. No action taken against them. So, you know, I, I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
So this, this in- indicates a heavy left-wing bias.
- TPTim Pool
I wouldn't necessarily say left wing. I would say intersectional, identitarian, ideological bias. Right? It's, it's, it's, it's hard to pinpoint what the tribes are in the culture war. But Twitter is clearly acting in defense of intersectional activism.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now do you think that this is a mandate? Do you think this is written somewhere? Do you think there's people who are in the company that have power that are acting independently?
- TPTim Pool
It's, it's, uh, grains of sand that make a heap, right? You're in s- you're in Silicon Valley. You're in a very blue area. The people who get hired tend to hold certain views. And because they all live in their own bubble, they believe they're the majority, and thus they think they're acting justly-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
... to ban those who are at odds with them. And this, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Social engineering.
- TPTim Pool
And, and this, uh, brings back into journalism the big problem. It's, you know, for decades, I don't know how long, journalism has been dominated by self-identified liberals. There's a ton of polls, I think there's a, a 2015 poll showing Republicans are like 7% of journalists or some ridiculously small number. And there's a really simple reason for it. News organizations are headquartered in big cities, the big ones. You know, CNN, even Fox News is in New York. So there's a lot of people who work at Fox News who are actually liberal. People don't seem to know that. Y- you live in New York, you're probably not a, uh, staunch conservative. So what happens then? News breaks, you've got all these journalists, 'cause I've worked with them, you know, I worked for Vice, I worked for Fusion, and they sit around at tables, they meet up after work from different offices and they talk about things and they all tell each other the exact same thing.And so this is why you see Covington happen. These people all follow each other on Twitter, so when someone tweets, "This MAGA kid got in the face of Nathan Phillips," they only see each other's tweets, and they just write it. They don't do any journalism. And it goes, it, it, man, I can't believe, for days. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
And that was even in the New York Times, correct?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
The New York Times, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Harris talked about that yesterday.
- TPTim Pool
And it's, it's mind-blowing to me because the second video that came out from Covington, you literally watch Nathan Phillips walk into, up to the kid and get in his face.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
Bill Maher, you know, what, four or five days later says the kid got in his face. And I'm like, "How are you-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
You know, uh, shame on Bill Maher for, for, for saying that. That's not true. But at the same time, we have a serious journalism problem, and this l- links back to Twitter. And, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
That, that story in particular really almost, like, condensed all of the problems into one event.
- TPTim Pool
Oh, yeah. Yeah, and what's, what's, what's fascinating is following this story, an op-ed, I believe it was in the New York Times, said, "Stop tweeting," or it said, "Never tweet." Brian Stelter from CNN then got a statement that I, I always say I believe, because I don't have the sources pulled up, but, uh, someone from Twitter said, "Journalists are the lifeblood of our platform." And so that's why I think you've got these predominantly New York-based progressive writers. They're fresh out of college. They get hired for, you know, moderate salaries to work in a newsroom, sit around each other all day, sharing the same ideas, not exploring anything outside their bubble. And Twitter supports them because they're the ones who drive traffic to Twitter. They keep the conversation going, and I think that's where Twitter's bias partly comes from. The other is that clearly you're in San Francisco, you're gonna have, you know, your, your staff, the people who are, who are, you know, running content, uh, curation, and banning people, they lean left. So why, why, uh, Kathy Griffin wasn't banned? Probably because she's, she's very famous. But then I have to wonder why Alex Jones was. So you, you, the only, the only real differentiator there, I guess, is either mainstream notoriety or ideological tribe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, w- Jamie, you pulled up why Alex was banned too, which is, you know, it's not very clear. That like when, when you think about the fact that they were saying that he had never done anything on their platform that was bannable, and then what was the one final thing? Like, and Jack didn't know what it was.
- TPTim Pool
He, he got in... He confronted Oliver Darcy of CNN, uh, in DC and for several minutes was yelling at him while they filmed. And apparently, that's my understanding, was the justification for banning him, that he was harassing a journalist or something to that effect, which is, in my opinion, absurd. And, and, I, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
W- was he doing it on Twitter?
- TPTim Pool
Um, I guess they post it to Twitter.
- GUGuest
Peris- he did this live on Periscope, which is a Twitter-
- TPTim Pool
There you- there you go. Yeah.
- GUGuest
... Twitter-owned platform.
- JRJoe Rogan
So if you do something on Periscope, they could get you banned from Twitter?
- TPTim Pool
Well, that's the same thing.
- 52:25 – 1:11:01
The 'OK' hand sign panic: 4chan hoaxes, intent, and moral hysteria
- TPTim Pool
But I'll take this opportunity to segue into another point when it comes to the bias, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh.
- TPTim Pool
How is it that you can have Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon dress in blackface on their-
- JRJoe Rogan
When?
- TPTim Pool
Uh, CNN made a big list. I don't know exactly when it happened. I think, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTim Pool
... Kimmel was on The Man Show. He dressed like a basketball player.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, Jesus.
- TPTim Pool
And Jimmy Fallon dressed like Chris Rock.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, Jesus.
- TPTim Pool
Sarah Silverman did it. She-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TPTim Pool
I think she addressed it though.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TPTim Pool
Everybody ... No- nobody loses their minds. Nobody loses their minds over that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because they're on the left, you think?
- TPTim Pool
I don't know. I don't know. It's, it's ... I, I ... Honestly, I would say to an extent there's probably some kind of tribal bias.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I think when you're going back to high school yearbooks looking for outrage from 55-year-old people-
- TPTim Pool
You've, you've lost the plot.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you've lost the plot.
- TPTim Pool
Isn't that, isn't that crazy?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's fucking insane.
- TPTim Pool
Well, what's, what's crazier is when Kathy Griffin tweets out that the three-pointer hand sign at a Covington basketball game was a Nazi hand gesture. Like, the three-pointer. You know what the three-pointer sign is?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, this thing?
- TPTim Pool
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Okay.
- TPTim Pool
See, I'm not gonna do it because the photos will go flying.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just- okay. I-
- TPTim Pool
People send me death threats.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look, I have- I put a series of them on my Instagram when I found out about that.
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