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Colin O’Brady’s Antarctica crossing: what “solo, unsupported” really means
- JRJoe Rogan
Four, three, two, one. All right, we're live. What's up, man?
- COColin O'Brady
What's up, dude?
- JRJoe Rogan
And I see... What's hilarious, folks, I have to tell you this.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I did a podcast earlier today, and he said, "Wow, it's your second for the day?" He goes, "Impressive endurance."
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know how fucking ridiculous that is for you to say?
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
This is a guy who walked across Antarctica. How many days did it take you?
- COColin O'Brady
54 days.
- JRJoe Rogan
By yourself?
- COColin O'Brady
By myself, yes, indeed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Trekking across the fucking frozen tundra.
- COColin O'Brady
It, that was an endurance feat of its own. Yeah, just back, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, that's a real endurance feat. I'm just sitting down talking to people.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Oh, my God, you talked already for two hours. How do you do it?"
- COColin O'Brady
Two more hours, here we go, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy.
- COColin O'Brady
Yep, yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, what the fuck were you doing?
- COColin O'Brady
Just, just gettin' back, actually. Still, uh, still practically have the snow in my shoes. Yeah, I got back about a month ago, 54-day journey, first person in history to, uh, cross the entire continent solo, unsupported, so no resupplies throughout the thing, no, no aid, no wind, kites, nothing, just me dragging a 375-pound sled across Antarctica.
- JRJoe Rogan
I can't believe it only took you 54 days.
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, it was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Why did... Why... I mean, that's... It's so big.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, look at Antarctica on a map.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, how long do you think it would take you to walk across America?
- COColin O'Brady
Well, you got... So we usually-
- 1:19 – 4:00
Maps, projections, and flat-Earth trolling: Antarctica as internet battleground
- COColin O'Brady
I have showed people a picture of Antarctica. You're a smart guy, you probably noticed. But usually people see it on a g- a, a map projection-
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause it's spread out.
- COColin O'Brady
... 'cause I think it's flat, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Right.
- COColin O'Brady
It's actually circular.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
Um, so I went from the edge of the Ronne Ice Shelf to the Ro- uh, via the South Pole to the Ross Ice Shelf, so basically kind of a diagonal across through the center and then back to the other ice shelf. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
What do the flat-Earthers think about your-
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... your traversing this, this area?
- COColin O'Brady
Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Look, this is what you did. This is how you w- made it.
- COColin O'Brady
There it is, exactly, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So you went to the center of the fucking Earth, basically.
- COColin O'Brady
There it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
You, you went to the top of the pole.
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, bottom of the earth, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- COColin O'Brady
Standing down there holding everyone up on my shoulders.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow, so you were at the South Pole, and then you trekked over to the, to the ice shelf-
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... on the other side? Wow.
- COColin O'Brady
It's funny you say about the flat-Earthers, though, because all jokes aside, I've been getting a lot of trolling on my Instagram page-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
... from the flat-Earthers. I've got guys going like, "Oh, I, I was doing this speech the other day." People are super nice, come up in the Q&A afterwards, wanna shake my hand, take a picture, whatever. And this guy walks up with this real earnest look on his face, and he's like, "So I really wanted to ask you, how was the hole?" And I was like, "Excuse me?" And he was like, "You know, the hole at the center." And I was like, "Um, I... Give, give me a little more..." He was like, "You know, like, when you got to the edge?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs) And I was like, "Oh, man, like, you're really asking (laughs) me this question right now."
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- COColin O'Brady
Like, we were talking about this. I didn't quite know where to go with it. I was like, "Yeah, there was actually... I- at least I didn't see the edge, and, uh, the curvature kept going, and I made it (laughs) to the other side."
- JRJoe Rogan
It is such a strange thing to believe, but people do. They-
- 4:00 – 4:51
Why it was called ‘The Impossible First’: risk, history, and the food/fuel math problem
- JRJoe Rogan
So your f- your sled was 300 and how many pounds?
- COColin O'Brady
375 pounds to start. So basically, uh, food and fuel was the main, the main weight. So people... I called my project The Impossible First. That's sort of what I named the project, because several people had tried-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's it right there?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. There it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God. So not only are you walking, you're dragging this big-ass, heavy sled.
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck, dude.
- COColin O'Brady
And, uh, people... So people have tried this, uh, you know, going back 100 years to Sh- Ernest Shackleton saying if it was possible, and then the last few years, some really experienced polar explorers have given it a shot, and one guy actually died less than 100 miles from the finish line, um, because of, you know, lack of nutrition and, and some challenges with the weather and things like that. Um, but people called it... You know, people after that were like, "It's impossible." And the reason people thought it was impossible was because you can't get resupplies, meaning if you fill your sled with food at a certain amount, you actually can't drag the sled anymore. So the whole-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- 4:51 – 6:59
Hour one breakdown: the mental shock of starting and barely reaching the first waypoint
- COColin O'Brady
... math equation really was figuring out just how much food and fuel I could put in the sled. The fuel melts the water, so it melts the ice into water essentially, and that equaled the 375 pounds. And to be truth, I could barely pull it on the first day. Like, I, uh ... One hour into getting dropped off, I'm dropped off completely alone out there in Antarctica. I planned this project for a year, you know. Uh, and, uh, I get dropped off and after about one hour pulling 375-pound sled through the snow, it's minus 25 degrees out, I'm cr- I'm crying. I'm literally crying, and the tears in my goggles are starting to freeze. And I'm like, "Oh, my God." So I pick up my satellite phone, I call home to my wife, Jenna, who also creates and plans all these projects with me, and I'm like, "Babe, uh, I think we named the project the right thing, uh, The Impossible First. Yep, uh, it looks like it might be impossible to keep going." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus.
- COColin O'Brady
So I'm one hour into a thousand-mile journey pulling this sled, told everyone I'm gonna do this, and I'm already having those doubts pull up. But, you know, fortunately I was able to get a little bit further that day, and 54 days later, made it to the end, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
How far did you get in the first day?
- COColin O'Brady
Well, it's funny 'cause we show, just showed the map. I actually... You know, it starts on a ice shelf, which is basically the frozen sea ice. And there's an edge of that that's th- where the continent starts, and so I have a waypoint on my GPS that marks that. So the plane that drops me off actually dropped me off on the ice shelf before the continent starts, and my first waypoint was kind of like the actual start. And so one hour in, I haven't even hit the real start.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, God.
- COColin O'Brady
So when sh- when I call her on the phone, she's like... 'Cause she knows the route, and she's like, "Well, how far are you from the first waypoint?"... which is where the actual start is. And I'm like, "It's .63 more miles." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
She's like, "It's half a mile. You have a thousand more to go. Like, get to the first waypoint," you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, Jesus.
- COColin O'Brady
And I was like, "Okay, okay." So I, you know, rallied myself, got to the first waypoint, and then finally got in my tent that night and just kinda took a deep breath. I think I was just overwhelmed by the magnitude of it. I mean, imagine being a speck in the middle of Antarctica, alone.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
These crazy temperatures, you know, all the excitement but fears of the journey ahead. Um, and 375 pounds on my back. When the sled's, you know, when the snow is deep too and loose snow-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
... it makes 375 pounds even, even heavier than if it's, like, light, you know, icy or consolidated. So, yeah, it was a, it was a rough start, to say the least.
- 6:59 – 10:23
Training to pull ‘heavy shit’: strength coach Mike MacAskill and extreme prep drills
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you do any sort of test run pulling the sled anywhere else?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, so the training element of it was pretty cool. So, um, this w- I actually set a few other world records previous to this in the mountains and things. We could talk about it if you want. But the, uh, the last year as I really committed to this project, I, um, yeah, decided to start, obviously start training specifically for this. Um, I needed to put on about 20 pounds of muscle. I'm usually six foot, 165, pretty lean. I'd raced triathlon professionally for a number of years and realized I needed to be a bit bigger 'cause I was gonna lose so much weight. Um, and I found, uh, an amazing coach in Portland, Oregon where I live, this guy named Mike MacAskill. I don't know if you've ever heard of him, but I know you've had, you've had David Goggins on your show-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
... I take it. So, um, Mike actually surpassed David's pull-up record. Mike did 5,804 pull-ups in 20 hours, um, while I think Goggins did about 4,000, which are both insane to me 'cause I can do, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
So he did another thousand?
- COColin O'Brady
W- And he was wear- Mike was wearing a 30-pound weight vest too.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- COColin O'Brady
Yes. (laughs) Just to add insult to injury.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- COColin O'Brady
Uh, Mike MacAskill, absolute, absolute legend. So anyways-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
He did 5,000 fucking chin-ups with a weight vest on?
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, I barely can do 10.
- COColin O'Brady
I, I, I'm right there with you, man. Like, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck.
- COColin O'Brady
... pull-ups are not ... I've got some other physical strengths, but the pull-up department is not, not my strong suit.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is fucking insane.
- COColin O'Brady
Get this too, just, just 'cause I gotta, I gotta big up my man for a second. That's his fourth world record. He also pulled a F-250 truck 20 miles across Death Valley, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
... in a harness. So I'm trying to look for the best guy to teach me how to pull heavy shit. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God, you got the guy.
- COColin O'Brady
I found the guy. I was like, "Damn."
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck.
- COColin O'Brady
"This is the guy."
- JRJoe Rogan
And, and I just love that there's people like that out there-
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... that just make you feel like such a pussy.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs) Uh-
- 10:23 – 13:19
Tent storms and survival mechanics: winds, repairs, batteries, and solar power
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you ever have an issue like that, where you thought the tent could blow away?
- COColin O'Brady
Um, I think ... I don't know if you have it. There's a clip on my Instagram I posted a few days ago of me, of me setting up the tent in a minus 80 degrees out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- COColin O'Brady
60-mile-per-hour winds.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- COColin O'Brady
Um, it's pretty gnarly. But yeah, I mean, there was one time when the tent almost did blow away from me. Yeah, there's this one, there's one other one. This is me getting in the tent looking like an absolute disaster when I get help with the audio, but that's me, uh, that's me. (grunting) (wind blowing)
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa, you're pulling ice out of your eyelashes.
- COColin O'Brady
Oh, I got caught on a massive storm, (wind blowing) and I just ... It was so hard to get the tent up. I didn't know if I was gonna be able to get it up or I was gonna have to just keep walking.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus. (laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
I'm in the tent now. Hoping these tent poles hold. Man, (sniffs) that was really intense.
- JRJoe Rogan
How do you stay warm in that tent?
- COColin O'Brady
So it's ... Average temperature is about minus 25, minus 30, uh, in Antarctica. But like I said, when the wind jacks up, uh, I don't know if there's a other clip of me setting up the tent, but if you get a chance to see that, it's, you know, it's about, can be about minus 80 outside, which, it's hard to wrap your mind around that, but I try to put it in perspective by saying, "I could take a cup of boiling water and throw it in the air and it immediately turns to ice." Like, that's, that's, that's the temperature we're dealing with. Yeah, this is me trying to, uh, keep the tent poles together. Usually you'd have someone else to hold onto it, but I'm alone. I'm completely alone out there. So this is me struggling-... with my tent, just trying to keep it up. I've got it, you know, tied down to my sled there. Um, just battling, battling the winds. And the stake- like I said, the stakes are high. If that blows away, I don't have a spare tent. I've got no extra weight in my, my sled to hold-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- COColin O'Brady
... spare stuff. So it's, it's, it's do or die, quite literally, uh, in a moment like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you have a patch kit?
- COColin O'Brady
I had a couple things repaired. A sewing kit, a patch kit, stuff like that. But if the tent itself or the tent poles, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- COColin O'Brady
... ripped apart, pretty much-
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck, dude. And-
- COColin O'Brady
... done.
- JRJoe Rogan
And also, you have to set up your tripod and film this.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then press stop and go back inside. And how are you keeping these batteries juiced up? Are you using solar?
- COColin O'Brady
No. This was, this was the film crew, man, that was following me around. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
That right of the Flat Earth film crew. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. They were near the ice wall.
- COColin O'Brady
The, uh ... No, uh, it was ... Basically, I had to keep the, uh, batteries warm by keeping them right against my skin. So I'd keep the batteries right against my skin. My body weight would keep it warm, and the second I wanted to take it out, I'd pull it out real quick, hit play, and then it would, you know, usually it'd last a minute or a third, enough to get a little clip or something like that. You couldn't just let it run. But then it would, you know, completely freeze. Even a full battery would be, you know, on zero battery by pretty quickly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Were you using solar panels to charge it?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. So one crazy cool thing about Antarctica at that time of year is it's 24 hours of daylight. And so-
- 13:19 – 16:29
Navigation in whiteouts and the psychology of silence: flow states and Vipassana parallels
- JRJoe Rogan
And are you traveling with ... Are, are you using GPS?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. So I had some waypoints, uh, the GPS waypoints that kind of led my path to the South Pole, et cetera, but mostly actually using a compass. So I'd look at my GPS maybe once every week or something like that, just to get the bearing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because of the juice factor or just-
- COColin O'Brady
It was actually just easier. So I basically had like a harness on front of me that would have my GPS or my, my compass kind of off my chest-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
... more or less because some of the clips we saw, the sun's out, but actually more than half of the time, the clouds would come in, so it'd be just complete and utter whiteout. I couldn't even see one step in front of me, and so I'd actually have to just stare down at my compass, keep it on this bearing. And so imagine, you can't see anything, can't see one step in front of you. I'm pulling a, you know, 300-pound sled 12-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh. (laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
... 13 hours per day, uh, not listening to anything really, complete dead silence, um, and just staring at this compass bearing all day long, so ...
- JRJoe Rogan
God.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Damn, dude. Were you going crazy at all?
- COColin O'Brady
I mean, the mental side of it was by far the most interesting side of it for me. Um, you know, I have a, a lifelong endurance athlete, but really kind of an exploration into the mind is what it was for me, and why I was curious about it, so spending all this time in silence. I've done ... Are you familiar with, uh, uh, Vipassana meditation? These 10-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- COColin O'Brady
So I've done a couple of these 10-day silent meditation retreats before this, which is 10 days, no reading-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
... no writing, no eye contact. Um, kinda dove into that piece of it. But 54 days alone in Antarctica-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
... in complete silence was, was next level of that, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Goddamn, dude. That is so fucking impressive. (laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I just can't believe that you did that. Now, when you're looking down, and it's an utter whiteout, and you're looking at your compass, and you're dragging this shit behind you, like, uh, d- are you doing anything in your mind? Are you, like, singing songs? Are you ... What are you doing?
- COColin O'Brady
Um, there's a couple different things, but really what ended up happening is I started to be able to trigger these flow states. So, you know, as a lifelong professional athlete through different capacities in my life, you know, I've tapped into that. You know, I was a swimmer when I was a little kid, so swimming laps in a pool, sometimes I would like kinda just tap into this, like, timeless space where, you know, maybe 30 minutes would go by in, in two minutes or something like that. But I never really knew how I got there, just would sometimes tap into it, sometimes not, you know, the zone, flow state, whatever we wanna call that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
But in Antarctica, I went in with a sort of attention about- intention of exploring that space in my mind. And so as I got more and more into these whiteouts, into these compass- in- staring at this compass, staring at this expansive landscape, I started to find ways to actually trigger that flow state in my mind. And so it got to the point where I could, for several days at a time, be in this deep flow state. So, you know, my day was about 17 hours every day, between getting up, boiling my water, getting out of my tent in those crazy conditions, packing my sled, dragging it for 13 hours, setting my tent back up in these storms. But I got into this sort of sequence of being so present with each step, each next sequence, that it ended up being in this really timeless, spaceless place in my mind of true high performance that was almost like the most deepest, peaceful, meditative state that I can possibly imagine. It was, it was very profound and beautiful, uh, to get there in my mind.
- 16:29 – 19:24
Water, altitude, and daily systems: melting snow for 6 liters a day at 9,300 feet
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. Now, are you, are you boiling this water in your tent? Like, uh, uh wh- how are you doing it?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. So my tent-
- JRJoe Rogan
Using a Jetboil?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. So a kind of a, a slightly different white gas fuel stove, so not the canisters where you could throw away but like gas that you could refill the stove, but a stove with fuel. Um, basically the way my tent was, you saw the outer layer of the tent there, there's actually an inner part that's a tent so that there's a vestibule where basically there's snow inside the doorway but not outside-outside.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
So I would shovel that snow from inside of the tent vestibule into my pot and be able to melt the water that way. Um, I drank about six liters-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- COColin O'Brady
... of water, uh, every single day, um, when I was out there.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's gotta be a lot of snow.
- COColin O'Brady
Which is a lot of snow, a lot of ... And it takes a few hours to melt that. But people don't realize this, Antarctica's actually the largest desert in the world. Um, so it's actually very dry. It doesn't snow very often, but when it does, it, of course, never melts, and the South Pole is at 9,300 feet. So not only am I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- COColin O'Brady
... in this desert, but I'm at altitude doing this thing. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- COColin O'Brady
So ... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you train at altitude? Did you use like one of those, uh, tents to sleep in or-
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. So this, uh, this gym that Mike and I train at is called Evolution Health Care & Fitness in Portland, um, they actually have an altitude room there. So they-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- COColin O'Brady
It's not even a tent, but they actually have a full, a full room where you can ... You know, it's got rowing machines, it's got treadmills, it's got all that simulated up to about 14,000 feet.
- JRJoe Rogan
How big is the room?
- COColin O'Brady
It's about-400 square feet, high ceiling?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- COColin O'Brady
It's big. I mean, it's not like huge-
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's a room. Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
... but it's big enough. Yeah, it's like a proper room. I've been in some of those tents before when I was racing triathlon many years ago, a lot of people were starting to sleep in those tents. But a lot of people have a hard time in them, they get warm and stuff like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
I know a lot of fighters who use them as well.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
Um, but, uh, but yeah it was pretty cool to have a full room that you can actually, you know, be in and move in properly, um, for, to simulate some of the high intensity stuff. Yeah.
- 19:24 – 21:13
The endgame: running low on supplies and the 32-hour, 77-mile finishing push
- COColin O'Brady
So my final push, I actually, I woke up on, uh, the morning of Christmas Eve, 24th of December this past year. And it looked, I was 77 miles from the finish, and I had been going at that point ... At the beginning of the trip, I was only going nine, ten miles per day. Towards the end, I started going about 20, 25 miles per day. So I said, "You know what?" Like, "I'm about three days out." And then I thought to myself, "Maybe if I could push really hard these next two days, I could do it in two days, like two 15-plus-hour days, like, really get into it." And started looking at my fuel and food supplies, I'm like, "They were pretty low." I had e- I had enough fuel, a few, a few liters of fuel, but I actually only had about a day or two of food, like, real, substantial food left. Um, and so I woke up (laughs) and I was like, "All right, let's go for this." And in the actually deepest, talk about flow states, that was the deepest flow state of my life. I woke up and one hour in that day, it's Christmas morning now, I wake up and I'm just locked in. And I just came out ... I didn't tell anyone back home, didn't tell my wife who was tracking me. They had this GPS tracker where they could follow me, but I was just, in my mind I was like, "You know what? Not, not three days, not two days, I'm going straight for it." And so I did a final 32-hour continuous push on day 54.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs) 77 miles straight, dragging my sled all the way to get to the finish line in one continuous push. No music, no nothing, just, like, in my head, in this, in this crazy flow state of-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
... of, of, I don't know, high performance. Um, and it was, it was a, it was a crazy final push to get there. But, uh, made it right before the food and fuel ran out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's-
- COColin O'Brady
And then there's, there's no one there, of course. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
Like, you cross the finish line, you're like, "Done this. No one in the world's ever done this. Applause." Nope. (laughs) Like audience-
- JRJoe Rogan
No one there.
- COColin O'Brady
... of zero. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And so what do you do when you get to the end?
- COColin O'Brady
Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
You said, "Hey, I'm done. Come get me"?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. Yeah. So-
- JRJoe Rogan
And how long does it take for them to come get you?
- COColin O'Brady
It took me a week to get out of Antarctica totally.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
It took actually me four days to get out of there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck.
- 21:13 – 22:37
Head-to-head with another elite explorer: starting one mile apart and ‘winning the race’
- COColin O'Brady
Uh, but there was a crazy other component to this, which is no one in the world had ever done this before. And like I said, a few really, uh, talented people, some of the best explorers in the world had tried recently. One guy died. Um, and it just so happened, there's a really specific season when you can attempt this, but another guy was attempting this at the exact same time as me. Um, a British, a British guy, who's a equivalent of a Navy SEAL, you know, British Special Forces, w- the m- living, most experienced guy in Antarctica. He's actually pulled 3,000-plus miles in Antarctica now on various expeditions. And so we got dropped off one mile away from each other to begin this thing, and, um, obviously I, I was the first. I, I did win this race head-to-head, and at the finish line I waited for him for a few days 'cause I wanted to congratulate him 'cause he did ultimately finish. But you can only imagine, I would f- going back to that first hour where I was like, "It's impossible," it was also like, "It's impossible, and Bothe- by the way, this Navy SEAL dude who knows more about Antarctica than me, he's off and going." (laughs) I could see him in the distance just, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- COColin O'Brady
... leaving me in the dust. Um, but fortunately after day six I caught up to him, you know. I waved to him in this weird, like, passing of the torch moment, like, I was passing him, and then I never saw him again till I finished, and I finished about, uh, 70 miles ahead of him, about two and a half days ahead of him.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's gotta suck-
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... for him.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine. He's like, "I got this motherfucker."
- COColin O'Brady
I, I brought it home for America, man, you know? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Thank you. Appreciate that. We all, we all appreciate that. But still, that's gotta suck for him.
- 22:37 – 25:47
The unglamorous realities: one set of clothes, bathroom logistics, and Leave No Trace rules
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. So I, I actually ... even though I had finished and the first thing I could have w- kinda wanted to do, I haven't had a, I haven't had a shower.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
I haven't ... I actually, to save weight so I could get as much food and fuel in my sled, I brought no extra clothes, no extra pair of underwear. Like literally-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
... no extra pair of underwear, no extra pair of nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
50 days.
- COColin O'Brady
So, I brought-
- JRJoe Rogan
Where are you, where are you shitting out there?
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs) Everyone wants to know this, so let's just get it on the table. I let-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
Thank you for asking. Um, uh, basically, I, I describe that vestibule situation, so one side I cook in.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
If the wind is calm, I get out of my tent, dig a hole, and, and, you know, go shit in a hole basically.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
But when it's real windy like those storms I just watched, like, you're gonna get frostbite if you try to, you know, bend over, pull your pants down when it's -80 out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
So in the vestibule of my tent, not the side I'm cooking on but the other (laughs) side where I'm still inside covered, I dig a hole in there, and that was my morning routine. Get up at 6:00 AM, start boiling my water on one side of my tent, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
... it's not glamorous. It's not (laughs) not a pretty thing. And to make, um ... Actually, to me this is very cool, but also not glamorous. Um, within one degree of latitude of the South Pole, so the last degree of latitude, 89 degrees, the South Pole's at 90 degrees. It's basically 69 miles or 60 nautical miles circumference around the South Pole. Antarctica being as pristine as it is, they have all these laws about environmental conservation which to me is amazing being someone who just loves and is a great steward of the land, they actually say you can't even leave your human waste in holes here. Even though there's nobody out there, they're like, "We want this to be completely protected area." And so-... yes, usually my sled was getting lighter most of the time 'cause I was eating food every day and burning fuel. But in that last degree of latitude to the South Pole and crossing it, I was shitting in a bag, (laughs) wrapping it up and putting it in my sled and having to carry it with me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh.
- COColin O'Brady
So, um, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- COColin O'Brady
It-
- JRJoe Rogan
That shows discipline.
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs) It shows something.
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot of people have been like-
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... "Yeah, yeah, yeah, put it in a bag."
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck you. Crazy assholes.
- 25:47 – 41:13
Engineering nutrition for ‘impossible’: custom whole-food bars, calorie deficits, and edible-when-frozen design
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, how did you calculate your nutrition?
- COColin O'Brady
So, the nutrition journey was actually fascinating. And to be honest, it, in my opinion, people have said, "Well, well, how come other people died trying?" Or, "Why did other people not be able to do it 'cause one other guy ran out of food?" And so when I was looking at this journey, you know, again, we were calling it the impossible first. Like, how am I gonna make the impossible possible? And I thought that the nutrition piece of it was gonna be huge. I actually, um, my dad's an organic farmer in Hawaii. Like, whole food health and nutrition's been a big part of my personal journey. And so I found a company, um, that was really, uh, in it with me. So this company called Standard Process, they're a whole food supplement company, um, really involved in chiropractic and acupuncture, and they ... I presented them with this and I said, "Hey, what do you guys think? Like, is there a way to, like, figure this out?" And they're like, "Well, we have 20 of the top doctors, nutritionists, food scientists, you know, on our staff in this innovation center around nutrition. Like, come in the lab with us." And so they'd never done this with an athlete before, but they were intrigued. And so I actually went and did a year's long worth of, you know, 100 plus blood tests, VO2 max tests, all this fitness testing all around my physiology, and they created ultimately a custom food solution. It's like a bar form, essentially, called the Colm Bar that was all whole food ingredients. It was no, you know, chemical derivatives or anything. It was, you know, coconut oil, you know, seeds, nuts, you know, all these different pieces of ma- macronutrients as well as micronutrient blends that I needed, but custom tailored to my physiology.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
Um, and that's what I c- I mean, that was the bulk of what I ate. I ate 7,000 calories per day. I was burning 10,000, so even at 7,000 I was losing about a pound of day of we- of weight almost, um, to my body, so that's why I needed to get bigger. But these Colm Bars just burned super efficiently in my body. Like, it was the, the perfect blend of everything, so eating the same thing every single day for 54 days may have gotten a little bit boring, but my body was just ... it was actually pretty dialed in.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. Now, when they did this and they, they made these custom bars for you, did they know how m- I mean, how did you know how many calories you're gonna be burning while you're pulling this 300-pound sled? Was it dependent upon the conditions, like if the, the snow was more packed-
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... or icy?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, 100%.
- JRJoe Rogan
It would be more difficult if it was s- soft, right?
- COColin O'Brady
100%. So, I mean, we had to use our best guess, honestly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oof.
- COColin O'Brady
We had to just say, "Let's use our best guess." I- I guys had, a bunch of smart people smarter than me were-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
... in this room, all these doctors, these PhDs around this, and we had to make some assumptions. And ultimately, they were like, "Okay, you're gonna burn 10,000 calories. Let's get you 10,000 calories in these bars." And then we started running the weight on the sled and we were like, "That'll be a 500-pound sled." Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- COColin O'Brady
... we can't carry that. So it's this equation of, like, can you make the sled light enough to pull? If we can get the nutrition right, how efficiently does that burn in your body? How much can your stomach absorb?
- JRJoe Rogan
So you're hungry the whole time?
- COColin O'Brady
More or less, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck. (laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. I was, I was ready for a big fucking meal (laughs) when I got done, that's for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus Chr- Wh- What's the first thing you ate?
- COColin O'Brady
Uh, this, uh, the first thing I ate when I got back, uh, was a big burger. But, uh, you might call me lame for saying this, but I'm just gonna say it 'cause it's the truth. What I craved was salad, man. What I craved was just something f- 'cause I'd eaten this-
- JRJoe Rogan
Vitamins, yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
You know what I mean?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
I'd been eating this, like, freeze-dried food, this-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
... like chunk of Colm Bar which got-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
... me through, but it was, like, something green and alive.
- 41:13 – 47:20
Gear and cold injury management: ‘If you sweat, you die,’ layering, tape, and superglue fixes
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, d- what did you wear in terms of, like, a base layer and the, and w- was there a concern about you sweating while you were pulling all that weight, especially initially when it was 375 pounds?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, so, you know, one of the, the famous lines that, you know, people who have been in the polar environments will say is, "If you sweat, you die." Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
... and, you know, it's maybe a little bit of hyperbole, but it's not far from the truth, which is you start sweating and you stop for even 30 seconds, your clothes are literally freezing to your body.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
And so it was this crazy kind of, kind of balance of being able to pull the sled, get your heart rate elevated enough to keep your body warm, but not too warm that you were sweating. And so any second I would start sweating, I, I would strip layers off. So there was times, especially when there was no wind, it'd still be ambient temperature minus 20, minus 25, but I would just have, like, a thin Gore-Tex jacket on and one base layer. That's it. I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
Were you wearing Merino?
- COColin O'Brady
Um, I, merino actually itches my skin, although it's really good-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh.
- COColin O'Brady
... but for me, I'm a little bit allergic to it. (laughs) Um, so I wear, like, synthetic fabric. Um, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
Do they have a synthetic that completely mimics merino in terms of the way, eh, when it's moist you still stay warm?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, so mer- merino, hon- honestly, merino is amazing fabric for that reason. Um, unfortunately for me, like I said, it just g- irritates my skin.
- JRJoe Rogan
It is so funny that you can suffer through all that-
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... but you can't have itchy clothes on.
- COColin O'Brady
Like, a little, a little, a little merino wool's gonna make me feel that. Uh, no, but, uh, so I used a synthetic, but it's crazy-
- JRJoe Rogan
What company are you using? Like, what, what, what?
- COColin O'Brady
Um, I was using Mountain Hardwear base layers, um, and then actually my outer layers were this Norwegian company called Bergans of Norway. They don't sponsor me, but they actually, believe it or not, the Norwegians know a thing or two about being in the polar environment.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think they do.
- COColin O'Brady
And so they've, they've designed a really good jacket and pant that's actually really breathable and really good. And then I sew, sewed a fur ruff, uh, onto the edge, so a, a, a wolf, a wolf, uh, s- uh, fur ruff on the outer side of the hood.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wolf?
- COColin O'Brady
I think it's wolf, yeah. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wolf fur?
- COColin O'Brady
Wolf fur.
- JRJoe Rogan
I thought you s- were saying wool.
- COColin O'Brady
Wool.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then I was like, "It sounds like wolf."
- COColin O'Brady
You know more about this than me. I, I'm not the, I hope I don't annoy your audience. I have noth- I am not a big hunter myself. I've never, never, uh, done that, a lot of that. But, uh, yeah, that's a wolf fur.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they, they know how to survive in the cold.
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, exactly. So-
- 47:20 – 50:04
Purpose and mindset: turning doubt into momentum and building ‘art projects’ that inspire
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. Um, the, uh, you know, what was going through my head was, was these moments of doubt, for sure. Um, but one of the things for me, you know, to be honest, with these projects that I've created, I love, I love pushing my own limits. I love, I love finding the edges of my own potential, all that kind of stuff. But I also now really enjoy building these projects that I can share with other people. I do this, I do this nonprofit work where there's, you know, 30,000 school kids tuning into this project and using this as curriculum in their classrooms to learn about climate change, to learn about weather, atmospheric pressure. That's a really cool project, like that. And then just sharing it with the world at large. People going, like, "This is impossible." I mean, how many guys do you know that it's like, "One day I'm gonna do this cool thing," but they, like, never do it, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
And so actually going after that and sharing it a way where it's like, you might not wanna walk across Antarctica, but, like, you probably have some hope or some dream or some goal that you wanna accomplish in your life. Like, fucking go and do it. Like get after it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
And so for me, doing this, it's funny. I've, I've started to think of myself less as an athlete and actually more of as an artist, and my canvas really is just endurance sports. But creating these art projects in the world that I can create and share with people through storytelling to hopefully inspire them to do that. So what was I thinking in that first hour?... was, you know, (laughs) I don't, I don't want my art project to, to blow up right in my face. But more so, there was, this was bigger than myself, and that's really what f- kept me going forward. Just like, I can't let these kids in these public school classrooms think (laughs) that I quit after the first hour.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- COColin O'Brady
Like, these other people that are, they're drawing inspiration from this, hopefully. Like, I wanna do this for this larger purpose. And honestly, that's wha- that's what really kept me going forward through the really hard times, was that, that, that connection to a larger purpose of what I wanna put out in the world, and that ripple effect of positivity.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's awesome. And then, of course, you have a giant team that prepared and helped you.
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. (laughs) No. Oh, d-
- JRJoe Rogan
And you don't wanna let them down as well.
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's a lot, lot goes into it.
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs) .
- COColin O'Brady
So get, get into that, get into that starting line and having that doubt. But I think, I mean, uh, on one level it's also, it's a human element. It's, it's, it'd be easy for me to come in here and tell the story like, "You know what, Joe? Like, I'm the biggest badass in the world. No one's walked across Antarctica. And like, I did it even though these people died trying," or whatever. Like, those are the facts of the situation. But like, the truth is, man, like, I'm human. Like, I have the wave of human emotions. I've figured out how to tap into my mind in a way to do these things, but like, I still experience fear, I still ex- feel e- experience doubt, I still experience the ups and downs. But I have a way of actually being able to re-po- purpose or refocus that energy into positive forward momentum. I think that's what the difference is. But I believe all of us, all of us humans have the capacity to do this. Like, you're looking at me. I'm like a pretty like regular like size, regular-looking guy. Um, but I think, you know, the muscle between my ears is what separates the difference and they allowed me to do this more than anything.
- JRJoe Rogan
You don't seem to have the darkness that I usually see in people-
- COColin O'Brady
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... that do things like this. Do you know what I'm saying?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, th- there's... I've met a bunch of people that have done some fucked up things-
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they all have some weird darkness.
- 50:04 – 1:16:42
Origin story: the Thailand fire, recovery with his mother’s help, and winning his first triathlon
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. You know, eh, I hear what you're saying. I think for me there's, uh, a lot of this strength comes from a dark moment in my life. Um, you know, right after college, uh, I was traveling around the world. I, you know, I had no money as a kid growing up, you know, you know, work- working class background, painted houses every summer, but always dreamed of traveling the world. So I was like, "One day I'm gonna travel the world." So I finished college, buddies of mine are getting like real jobs and whatever, Wall Street and things like that. And I was like, "You know what? I saved up $10,000 over the past six years. I'm gonna take a surfboard and a backpack and like go see the world with my life savings." And so, you know, I went and do that. I'm 21 years old, you know. I go to Fiji, I surfed through Australia, hitchhiked through New Zealand, I end up in Thailand and, um... You ever been to Thailand?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, of course. Um, and you, so you're familiar with how much fire and fire dancing and various crazy debaucherous things that happen over there. So I'm on a beach in rural Thailand and I decide to jump this flaming jump rope. Um, and unfortunately it goes terribly wrong for me. The rope wraps around my legs and ignites my entire body on, body on fire to my neck. Um, and you know, in an instant my life changed. You know, fortunately for me the water's edge, the ocean was 10 steps away. So kind of instinct takes over and I dive into the ocean, which extinguished the flames. My body's on fire to my neck, but not before about 25% of my body is severely, severely burned. So my clothes were on fire, um, but mostly what got severely burned was my legs and feet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- COColin O'Brady
And so I'm in a place... I'm on a beach. There's, there's no hospital in this in... I'm on an island. There's no hospital. Instead of an ambulance ride I'm on the back of a moped driving down a dirt path.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
You know, I'm, I'm in a, uh, one-room sh- nursing station. Literally like the size of the room we're sitting in. They're like, "This is our sort of hospital." It's like one bed. And I'm just completely devastated. And so they, they put me under eight surgeries over the next week in the middle of nowhere rural Thailand. They-
- JRJoe Rogan
Eight surgeries in a tiny little shack?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. And the basically there's a cat running around my bed every time I come out of their-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- COColin O'Brady
... you know, quote-unquote "ICU". There's a cat running around my bed and across my chest, and the doctors are literally saying to me, you know, in their, in the broken, you know, English, uh, they're saying, "Hey, you'll probably never walk again normally." Like, "You're-"
- JRJoe Rogan
(groans)
- COColin O'Brady
... "You're probably never gonna walk again normally." Um, yeah. There, there's a photo of that. I think if you click over on, on that to the second one, it actually shows, um, you know, there, there's what the legs look like.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- COColin O'Brady
Um, so, you know, I was... And that's, that, that photo there with those legs, that's actually eight weeks after I was burned. So that believe it or not, that's like the, it starting to look a little bit better, um, all things considered there. So as you can probably imagine, I mean, just the darkest time in my life. I've been, you know, an ath- you know, I swam through college. I, you know, I thought of myself as a physically active person. And here I am like doctor saying, "Hey," you know, 22-year-old kid like, "You'll never walk again normally." Um, and to me the, there, the hero in this story, which is maybe why you don't see the darkness in my eyes and it's more the light. But, you know, my mother is really the, the heroine of this tale, which is she, she arrived to my bedside around day five. You know, flies all the way over to Thailand, finds me. Um, are, are you, are you a parent? I don't know. Do you have kids?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah. I don't have kids yet, but I can only imagine as a parent what it's like to walk-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- COColin O'Brady
... into a h- you know, hospital room and see your kid halfway around the world in this state, nothing you can do. And she admits now that she was crying in the hallways, you know, pleading with the doctors for good news. Like, "He's gonna be all right, right? He's gonna walk." She's crying. But every time she walked into my hospital room, she walked in with a smile on her face and there's this air of positivity of being like, "Okay, Collin. Like, this is bad. Like, what do you wanna do when you get outta here? Like, let's set a goal. Like, let's get outta here and do something positive." And I'm like, "Mom, you c- are you crazy? Like the doctors say I'm never gonna walk again normally. Like my life as I know it is over." You know? Just in this really dark place in my mind. But she just kept at me day after day with this positivity, this, that, and I finally was like closed my eyes and I just pictured like, "What, what am I gonna be?" And I closed my eyes and I had this visualization of myself crossing a triathlon finish line, which is not something I'd ever done before. Like I'd swam in college but I never biked or run competitively, nothing. But I was like, "You know what? The able-bodied me sometime in the future is going to be not only walking again but doing a triathlon race." And so I said it to her. I said, "My goal is to race a triathlon one day." And instead of her looking at me going like, "Well, I said set a goal, but maybe something more (laughs) realistic that doesn't require you to be running," um, she was like, "Great. Let's learn about it." Pulls out her computer and just literally starts reading me like, "Triathlon races are this. They're this far, they're this distances." Like I didn't know, I knew nothing about the sport other than it just like popped into my mind as something I thought I maybe wanted to do.Um, and so that's what I focused on. I literally have this photo of me with a Thai doctor. I'm, you know, my legs are bandaged to my waist and the Thai doctor's, like, looking at me like crazy, but I'm lifting these, like, 10-pound (laughs) barbells in my hand, going, "I'm training for a triathlon now." And the guy's like, "You're in Thailand in a hospital, and I'm telling you, you're never gonna walk again normally." Um, and so, you know, flash forward, you know, two or three months, I finally get released from this Thai hospital full-
- JRJoe Rogan
You were there for three months?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- COColin O'Brady
And when I got released, I still hadn't walked. You know, I'm in, I'm in a wheelchair. Um, I got carried on and off the flight back to Portland, Oregon. Land back home and, uh, you know, still, still bandaged up. And my mom, you know, sees me. I wake up the first morning, I'm back in my parents' house, my mother's kitchen, the house I grew up in, and she looks at me and she goes, "All right, Collin, now I know you've got this big triathlon goal, but today your goal is to take your very first step." And so she actually grabs a chair from our kitchen table and placed it one step in front of my wheelchair, and she says, "Today you need to somehow figure out how to get out of that wheelchair, take one step, and step into the chair in front of you." And I'm looking at it like, "I don't know if this is possible." But three hours later, four hours later, I'm still staring at this chair, and I finally work up the courage and strength to get out of this wheelchair, take the one step, and get into that chair in front of me.
- JRJoe Rogan
And is the problem that because of the burnt skin, it's not flexible?
- COColin O'Brady
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can't move it and bend it?
- COColin O'Brady
No, it's a good question. So basically, what happened with the burn is it burned me so deep that two things happened. One is there was ligament damage, so ligament damage to my ankles and knee joints, and then the way that the s- the hea- the scarring in the skin is healing essentially over these mobile joints, they don't think I'm gonna regain full flexibility, um, uh, full range of motion essentially in my leg. So they're not saying you'll never walk, as in you won't be able to stand up at all, although that was, like, extremely painful, but they just didn't think ... you know, be imagine walking around without being able to bend your knees or your ankles with, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- COColin O'Brady
... full mobility. So it just was like, "You're not gonna be able to have that back," basically. So sure enough, I take that first step, get in that chair. The next day, my mom doesn't take it easy on me, she just moved the chair five steps away, the next day 10 steps away, you know, every day a few more steps, uh, eh, not to go on and on, but basically 18 months after, you know, getting released from that hospital, I find myself in Chicago. I finally, you know, took a job in finance, just trying to get out of my parents' basement, like get on with my life. I'm 23 years old, like, "Yeah, I gotta get, like, a real job, get out of my parents' basement, you know, move to Chicago, take a job in finance, and, uh, um, try to get my s- my shit together basically." And I, I honored that goal. I said, "You know what? I'm gonna sign up for the Chicago Triathlon." I live here now, join a local gym, knew nothing about the sports still. I'm, like, asking random guys at the gym, like, "Anybody here race a triathlon?" Like, I'm in a spin class.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
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