Joe Rogan Experience #1247 - Andy Stumpf

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Four, three, two ...…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Four, three, two ... Hello, Andy.

   2. ASAndy Stumpf0:11

      (laughs) What's up, Joe?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      What's going on, buddy?

   4. ASAndy Stumpf0:12

      (laughs) Not much, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      We're here drinking CBD water. I've never had CBD water. GT's Kombucha sent us some CBD water.

   6. ASAndy Stumpf0:19

      My first sip was a few seconds ago and, uh, I didn't read that it said cucumber basil, so I was shocked by the taste, but I like it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Yeah, that's a weird combo, right?

   8. ASAndy Stumpf0:27

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Cucumber ... And it- it's called Dream Catcher, which makes me think of, like, (clicks tongue) white trash lady living in a trailer park with one of them things hanging over her bed. Right?

   10. ASAndy Stumpf0:36

       Pa- partially broken on the inside.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Mullet.

   12. ASAndy Stumpf0:39

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Weird cats. (laughs) If you have a dream catcher, most likely you have cats, right?

   14. ASAndy Stumpf0:45

       I think you have to have one.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       It's part of the program. Yeah. Yeah.

   16. ASAndy Stumpf0:47

       It's a package deal.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       It's like, you know what I saw, um, yesterday that, that is really rare? I saw a dude who was dressed up like a Native American who was not in fact a Native American. That's a risky move in this day and age.

   18. ASAndy Stumpf1:00

       (clicks tongue) Yeah, I'm not gonna go there. Uh, I wouldn't-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       When we were kids-

   20. ASAndy Stumpf1:05

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       ... you could be an Indian, like if you could play cowboys and Indians, you could be an Indian and they'd be like, "Oh, okay."

   22. ASAndy Stumpf1:11

       "Yeah, no problem."

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       "He's, he's, he's the Indian, this guy's the cowboy."

   24. ASAndy Stumpf1:14

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Normal shit. Today they will fucking come for you.

   26. ASAndy Stumpf1:18

       That day is gone.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       It's d- day's over.

   28. ASAndy Stumpf1:20

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       What happened?

   30. ASAndy Stumpf1:22

       I'm not smart enough to answer that question, but-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. ASAndy Stumpf15:00

      thing that I don't think, especially in the military medicine world, they understand well is traumatic brain injury and the impact it has long-term.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      Yeah.

   3. ASAndy Stumpf15:07

      And how easy it can be. 'Cause you know this f- uh, I've heard you talk about it before, you don't have to get knocked out to get a brain injury.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      Right.

   5. ASAndy Stumpf15:13

      And I know I've (sighs) c- uh, countless times where I either did something dumb or was just standing in the wrong place or had a hard parachute opening and I cracked my head against the metal risers, and your head hurts for the rest of the day.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      Yeah.

   7. ASAndy Stumpf15:26

      And it's ... I've seen the change in behavior in some people, and I, I know the stuff that's tied to it as well, the low hormones, all of that stuff. There, that is happening, I think, at the highest levels in the military. Probably military-wide, but specifically those people who are kind of more on the front-leading edge of combat operations. And I think as a country we're in a, we're in a total unknown area because we're in w- a sustained period of war longer than we've ever been as a nation, and nobody knows the outcome of that. And people who I would've never guessed would make the decision to take their own life, I'll get a text in, "Hey, you know, so-and-so just went out into the woods." And i- uh, no other external injury, no other marker than obviously something happened in the geometry between their ears that caused them to make that decision. And I suspect it's from the repeated exposure to the brain injury.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:22

      Yeah. It's something that people are just starting to understand over the last couple of decades. I mean, obviously, uh, there was a focus with that Concussion movie, and, you know, I don't know if you saw that Bob Costas was actually pulled from football, uh, and they, they had told him that he'd crossed the line because-

   9. ASAndy Stumpf16:38

      The announcer?

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       Yeah.

   11. ASAndy Stumpf16:39

       Bob Costas?

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       They pulled him. They pulled him from doing, uh ... what, what event was it? Was it from the Super Bowl?

   13. JVJamie Vernon16:44

       I think so, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       Because, uh, he was talking about traumatic brain injury and the, the realities of it. And they said, "You crossed a line." He's like, "I crossed a line by talking about reality?" Like ...

   15. ASAndy Stumpf16:54

       In an honest and open pers-

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       Yeah. Well-

   17. ASAndy Stumpf16:55

       Yeah, that's not cool.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       I mean, that's what he does. I mean, that is Bob Costas' entire hook. But, I mean, he's, he's a brilliant guy. But this, uh, this problem was so poorly understood just two decades ago. So everyone's just sort of coming to this realization that ... I mean, according to Dr. Mark Gordon who have, I've had on, who works with the Warrior Angel Foundation Andrew Marr's, uh, s- um, set up-

   19. ASAndy Stumpf17:19

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       ... where they're helping all these veterans that have traumatic brain injuries, and I've, I've had m- Mr. Gordon on several times. He, he says that you can get traumatic brain injuries from things that don't even remotely knock you out.

   21. ASAndy Stumpf17:31

       Yep.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       He's like, "People get them from doing moguls when they ski. They get them from-"

   23. ASAndy Stumpf17:35

       (laughs) From your brain just rattling.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       Yeah. They get them from jet skis, bouncing around on jet skis. I mean, you can get it from a, a minor car accident, you can have a traumatic brain injury. And for guys like me that got hit in the head for years, who knows what the fuck is going on in there. You know? And for professional fighters, it's w- you know, it's almost inevitable. For football players, it's even worse. You know, for football players, they did some crazy study and I, I know we quoted it, and I don't remember what the numbers was, but it's some insane number, like in the high 80% of people from high school on through college and into the professionals, um, have TBI.... or CTE, or the some signs of, uh, traumatic brain injury.

   25. ASAndy Stumpf18:15

       I'd be surprised if they didn't, given their-

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:17

       That's fucking crazy.

   27. ASAndy Stumpf18:18

       It gets ... It is interesting to ... Like I was saying, so when I got medically retired, they sent me to a medical facility called NICoE, which is attached to Walter Reed, and it's the best care that I ever received because it's a civilian facility.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:31

       Mm.

   29. ASAndy Stumpf18:32

       It's called the National Intrepid Center of Excellence.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       We did a lot of work with them back in the day for the UFC. The UFC raised a bunch of money for that.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   D- …

   1. ASAndy Stumpf30:00

      Whereas BASE jumping you might have hundreds. Or if you're really pushing the envelope, you might have sub 10 feet-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      D-

   3. ASAndy Stumpf30:08

      ... 'cause you're flying close to the ground as fast as you can go.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Did your friend Alex who died, did he die BASE jumping or-

   5. ASAndy Stumpf30:13

      He died wingsuit BASE jumping, something that I was... I mean, he was my main BASE jumping partner.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      What is the difference between wingsuit BASE jumping and regular BASE jumping? BASE, regular BASE jumping, you just have a quick deploy parachute, right?

   7. ASAndy Stumpf30:25

      So you have one parachute system-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      Right.

   9. ASAndy Stumpf30:27

      ... when you BASE jump instead of two, because there is not time for a reserve to open. So that is just taken out of the system.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       Right.

   11. ASAndy Stumpf30:33

       So you pack your...... primary or only parachute, very similar to a reserve. It's designed to open rapidly, it's designed to take a lot of load. Uh, but, so base jumping is just jumping off of a static object. Uh, base stands for building, antenna, span, or earth. So four types-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       Oh, okay.

   13. ASAndy Stumpf30:50

       ... of object. The addition of the wingsuit is really the only difference, which allows you to, like for myself personally, I'm not a huge fan of jumping off buildings and cliffs without a wingsuit because I don't like being from me to that flag when the parachute opens. 'Cause if it doesn't open exactly in the direction you want it to, you better be Johnny on the spot or you're gonna have a fucking problem. So it's, to me, if you have enough altitude, you put a wingsuit on, in two or three seconds, the suit is mocking forward. So then you're hundreds, if not thousands, of feet away from the object. Then your parachute can open up however you want it to.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Have they made any improvements in the technology of this stuff since you first started jumping?

   15. ASAndy Stumpf31:30

       Huge improvements. I mean, the first wingsuits were literally just fabric that had, like, the little thumb loops you'll find on, like, cold weather long-sleeve shirts sometimes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       (laughs)

   17. ASAndy Stumpf31:39

       Seriously. Like Patrick Day-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:40

       That's how you kept it on?

   19. ASAndy Stumpf31:42

       That's how they kept it on.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       (laughs)

   21. ASAndy Stumpf31:43

       I didn't jump any of those goddamn things. But I mean, I think Patrick Desjardins is how you say his name, he was one of the first, and they would just sit there and just, they would just jam their appendages and lock them out and use their entire musculature to sail this fabric as far out as they could get.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       Fuck.

   23. ASAndy Stumpf32:01

       And then, the suits now are unbelievable. So each wing, like the wing between your legs and the wing between each of your arms, so there's three of them, they're totally independent. They have a ram-air opening, so the air rushes into that and makes the wing semi-rigid, so it reduces the stress on your body, and they, the flight characteristics are insane. You can go, you can get the suit flying faster, you can fly it flatter, you can float. It- everything about it is improved, except for the decision-making process of the monkey who's actually jumping it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:33

       (laughs)

   25. ASAndy Stumpf32:34

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:35

       Dude, that's the original one, Jamie?

   27. ASAndy Stumpf32:36

       Oh, that guy's dead, for sure.

   28. JVJamie Vernon32:39

       He's technically the first one.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:40

       Oh. (laughs)

   30. JVJamie Vernon32:40

       (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yep. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      you know? And then you- when you see someone who, like, hits a perfect Imanari roll, like that is not the first time they've done that, you know? There's, um, uh, there's- there's so many, like, super, super high level guys now that you could watch on YouTube, and you can watch them execute these techniques.

   2. ASAndy Stumpf45:18

      Yep.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      And the thing that you're seeing more than anything is, like how fluid everything is, and how easily everything flows 'cause there's so much efficiency in their movement because they've done it over and over-

   4. ASAndy Stumpf45:28

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:28

      ... and over. But drilling is everything, and it's the thing that people do the least of.

   6. ASAndy Stumpf45:33

      So I go- when I'm home, I go five days a week, and I, uh, I go to the... So you met Travis today.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:39

      Mm-hmm.

   8. ASAndy Stumpf45:39

      Awesome. He's the owner of, uh, or the owner of SBG Kalispell, which is where I train. I c- I mean, I couldn't have planned it better. It's like four miles from my house. It-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:48

      That's amazing.

   10. ASAndy Stumpf45:48

       ... in the middle of Mont- well, not the middle, the northwest corner of Montana. To have that there is unbelievable.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       How far are you from Bozeman?

   12. ASAndy Stumpf45:55

       Uh, as the crow flies, maybe 200 and some miles, but the drive there is like an L, it's not straight. It takes about six hours.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       You gotta go through the mountains-

   14. ASAndy Stumpf46:03

       You gotta-

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       ... dodge the grizzly bears.

   16. ASAndy Stumpf46:04

       Yeah. Swerve past some-

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       Have you seen any grizzlies since you've been moved there?

   18. ASAndy Stumpf46:07

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:07

       No?

   20. ASAndy Stumpf46:08

       No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       They're fucking everywhere. They're waiting for you around corners and shit.

   22. ASAndy Stumpf46:10

       I don't leave my house. I just- I don't like to-

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       Really?

   24. ASAndy Stumpf46:12

       You know, I just hang out with myself.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       (laughs)

   26. ASAndy Stumpf46:14

       Have conversations and go to jujitsu. But I'll do- I do an hour, and a lot of it is just drill base for that hour, and there's an open mat afterwards.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       Oh, okay.

   28. ASAndy Stumpf46:23

       So I'm getting- I- I mean, I feel like I'm getting a good- a mix of both. And for me, I'm at the phase where like, I'm such in the alphabet phase, so I'm like, "A, ah, B, bah." Like, we'll put-

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Mm-hmm.

   30. ASAndy Stumpf46:31

       ... letters together into words later.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:55

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      The, the thing about jujitsu is once you're on a path, just enjoy the path. Don't think, "God, I should have started when I was eight." Well, you can't unless you have a fucking time machine-

   2. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:09

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      ... and if you did, goddammit, I would not want to go back and be eight years old and know everything I know now, and like, it'd be like watching a movie for the 100th time.

   4. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:17

      You'd be bored out of your mind.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      Well, I'd be ... I'd, I'd fr- fuck it up. I'd probably wind up homeless.

   6. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:21

      Just know your stock portfolio would be amazing because of all the knowledge-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      Maybe, right?

   8. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:24

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

      Be like, "Apple."

   10. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:26

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       "These sh- these fuckers are gonna figure it out."

   12. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:28

       "Buy Apple at three."

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       Yeah.

   14. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:29

       "Let's get some Amazon stock going." Like, you'd kill it on that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

       I know, people would be like, "What?"

   16. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:33

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       "A book thing? An online book thing? Trust me."

   18. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:35

       "Don't worry about it. Put it all in there."

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       "Put all your money on Facebook."

   20. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:39

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       "What's Facebook?"Fuck are you talking-

   22. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:41

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       You know, David Choe, uh, he painted Facebook. He did, like, murals for Facebook in their studio, and they paid him in stock-

   24. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:48

       Oh, wow.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       ... and he got fucking hundreds, hundreds of millions from that. And he's just balling all over the world on his Facebook stock. (laughs)

   26. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:57

       They don't seem to be doing too well these days, though.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       (laughs)

   28. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:00

       Seeing the-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       Facebook stock?

   30. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:00

       Yeah, no, not the stock necessarily, the company. I keep seeing them in the news for the wrong reasons.

Episode duration: 2:51:00