Joe Rogan Experience #1285 - B-Real

Joe Rogan 0:01 Three, two, one. (fingers snap) Boom. What's up, brother? How are you?

B-Real 0:05 What's up, bro? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:05 Good to see you, my friend. Always.

B-Real 0:07 Thanks for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:08 It's been a while, man.

B-Real 0:09 Yeah. We've both been busy. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 0:11 And in the meantime, weed became legal.

B-Real 0:13 Yes.

Jamie Vernon 0:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:14 You guys were at the forefront, man. You guys were way ahead.

Jamie Vernon 0:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:19 You were ahead of everybody.

B-Real 0:20 You know, we took a shot.

Joe Rogan 0:22 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 0:22 (laughs)

B-Real 0:22 We took a shot, you know, as stoners and advocates and whatnot. You know, uh, uh, we were stoners at first, right? You know, that's how you start. Like you know-

Joe Rogan 0:31 Right.

B-Real 0:31 ... your friend says, "Hey, man, try this," or you're the one who says, "Try this." Right? It's one or the other. And, you know, eventually you start getting into the High Times magazines and stuff like that, and looking at the, you know, the centerfold pictures of the weed, but also-

Joe Rogan 0:47 (laughs) Centerfold pictures of weed.

B-Real 0:47 ... we, we like, w- we like to read too (laughs) occasionally.

Joe Rogan 0:51 (laughs)

B-Real 0:51 So, you know, we'd get into some of the activism aspect of it as well, and that's when we heard names like Jack Herer, who pretty much opened our eyes to everything. And then, you know, I think we became real advocates, you know. At first, you know, we thought we were-

Joe Rogan 1:06 Yeah.

B-Real 1:06 ... you know, sort of, we read the High Times magazines and we were stoners, so we thought we were advocates. But, like, in reading what other freedom fighters were actually doing out there, and protests and rallies, and all that stuff, you know, we, we really weren't advocates like we thought. Uh, we became that later, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Yeah, Jack was way, way, way ahead of the curve. He's a such an interesting story, uh, rest in peace, because he was a, a Goldwater Republican, you know.

B-Real 1:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33 He was a, just a buttoned down, old school Republican.

B-Real 1:36 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:36 And then he got a girlfriend. And then the girlfriend-

B-Real 1:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:39 ... got him smoking weed-

B-Real 1:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41 ... and then all of a sudden he's like, "Man this is fucking amazing. God, why am I such a dick? What's wrong with me? Who am I? What am I doing with my life?"

B-Real 1:49 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:49 You know?

B-Real 1:49 It totally flipped his life around.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Yeah. The Emperor Wears No Clothes is a fucking great book, man.

B-Real 1:54 Yeah. It holds, it holds strong to this day, because everything that he-

Joe Rogan 1:57 Yeah.

B-Real 1:57 ... said in the book is sort of happening right now. All the stuff that they, you know, they, they, uh, tried to prevent from happening through all the anti-cannabis propaganda-

Joe Rogan 2:07 Yeah.

B-Real 2:08 ... you s- you see it now. And now you see those very companies try to get into the industry.

Joe Rogan 2:14 Yeah, they were always on the outside though, waiting, you know. They're-

B-Real 2:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:16 ... it was always like that at the launching block. Not quite ready to run, but any minute now it's gonna get legal.

B-Real 2:22 Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, they're, they're lying in wait with fields, like acreage, that no one can ever come close to.

Joe Rogan 2:29 Probably, right?

B-Real 2:30 J- yeah. I mean, I, uh, the, the thing I heard maybe like five years ago before it was legal in Denver, uh, or, uh, it was a bit, bit longer than that, before we got legalization here, um, that, you know, companies like Philip Morris and, and, you know, companies like that were already buying land and already, um, trademarking names-

Joe Rogan 2:54 Yeah.

B-Real 2:54 ... you know, for some of the cannabis that we know today so that when they come into the game, you know, they have ownership on some of the names and some of the brands and, and s- and trademarks and stuff like that to that. And obviously the acreage to, you know, grow vast sums of cannabis.

Joe Rogan 3:14 Yeah.

B-Real 3:15 You know? Who knows how true that is, but I don't doubt some of that.

Joe Rogan 3:18 I don't doubt it either. The sneakiest shit was Ohio. Ohio was v- they were trying to make it legal, but if they were gonna make it legal, there was only like, it was like two companies that were out there? Jamie's from Ohio.

Jamie Vernon 3:27 I think like four, but I, I think that is how it went through.

B-Real 3:30 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 3:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:30 They were the only ones gonna be allowed to grow it and sell it.

B-Real 3:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:33 Like fu- fu- fuck you.

B-Real 3:34 Monopoly.

Joe Rogan 3:35 That is not legal weed. That is you being a cunt.

B-Real 3:38 That's monopoly. And-

Joe Rogan 3:39 Yeah. That's crazy.

B-Real 3:41 You know, it, yeah, because, you know, you had, like, people that got those, uh, licenses or permits or whatever that had no knowledge on, on, on the cannabis culture or, or business. How to cultivate and, and how to run retail stores or any of that. They didn't have any of that knowledge. And, you know, they'll usually give it to an insider because they know how much money they stand to make like that.

Joe Rogan 4:06 Yeah.

B-Real 4:06 That's like if there was just one distribution center, right? And everybody has to go through that distribution center. How much money does that distribution center make? Because you gotta pay for your shit to go there. And then, you know, who knows if it... Well, you know if it passes 'cause you know as a cultivator what you did, so you'll know it'll pass 'cause it's clean, but you still gotta pay that fee every time, and it's gotta go through them. Fortunately here in California, you know, they've allowed people to have distribution licenses so that there's not one distribution center because that would be a, a monopoly for sure. And that's what they wanted to supposedly, uh, you know, the lobbyists that, that put 64 together were trying to stop it from being a monopoly and, uh, corporations coming in and taking over and stuff like that. You know? So-

Joe Rogan 4:57 It's so interesting because pot is such a non-corporate drug.

B-Real 5:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:01 You know, it's such a non-corporate thing that these corporations were trying to, uh, get a, uh, a grip-

B-Real 5:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:07 ... on weed. It just, it seemed, it seemed obscene. You know?

B-Real 5:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:12 It seemed, it seemed disgusting. You know?

B-Real 5:14 Yeah, it's, it's a little out of place. You know?

Joe Rogan 5:16 A lot out of place, right?

B-Real 5:17 Y- you know, because y-

Jamie Vernon 5:19 (coughs)

B-Real 5:19 ... you, you think about where it comes from, and it's been outlawed for so long. It's kind of like, you know, the way al- alcohol was for, for so long. But-

Joe Rogan 5:28 Way longer than alcohol though, which is crazy.

B-Real 5:29 But, but it's been demonized longer.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Yeah, yeah.

B-Real 5:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:31 Yeah.

B-Real 5:32 And now, you know, you have people trying to come in and throw money into it. And, and they got, you know, and some of these guys don't realize it's, it's not just about the money into it. You gotta do the diligence on what this business is. You can't cut corners on the cultivation, you know. You can't cut corners on quality because people, you know, they're, they're, um, there's more information out there.

Joe Rogan 5:56 Yeah.

B-Real 5:57 You know? So people know. Y- e- even if they're not a connoisseur, uh, as a consumer, you know, they can, they can read about shit, they can learn about stuff. So if you're getting over on them, or if you're putting some-... shit quality product out there, I mean, people are gonna know and, and all that money that these guys put into, to trying to get into the cannabis business, they're just throwing it into the fire.

Joe Rogan 6:21 Yeah.

B-Real 6:21 Some of them will come out of it, you know, they'll partner up with brands that exist and, and people that have knowledge. But, you know, it's- it's- the corporations that come in in the next five years is, it's gonna be- it's gonna be interesting. Because I do think that it's set up for them to come in. The taxes are so high right now for the consumer and for the cultivator and for the retail shop, that you gotta survive this wash right now that's happening in order to still be, you know, doing business when the corporate structure comes in. Because please believe, they're gonna lobby so that those taxes come down because the margins are not right, you know, as 40% taxes.

Joe Rogan 7:07 Is that what it is now?

B-Real 7:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:08 It was 39 in Denver, right?

B-Real 7:10 Yeah, but in here-

Joe Rogan 7:10 Is it 40?

B-Real 7:11 ... in California, it's f- you know, 40%. And-

Joe Rogan 7:13 But to the consumer, the consumer's like, "Who gives a fuck?"

B-Real 7:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:16 "You know, who gives a fuck if I could just pull in and get some weed real quick."

B-Real 7:19 They should give a fuck, 'cause it's like-

Joe Rogan 7:20 They should, but in comparison to alcohol, like how much it costs-

B-Real 7:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 ... if you go out for a night for some drinks-

B-Real 7:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:25 ... it costs way more. You get high for a month-

B-Real 7:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:28 ... on what it takes to get-

B-Real 7:28 Pretty much.

Joe Rogan 7:29 ... a few drinks in a night.

B-Real 7:30 It, depending where you go, those-

Joe Rogan 7:32 Yeah.

B-Real 7:32 ... fucking drinks are even double.

Joe Rogan 7:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B-Real 7:34 You know? And (laughs) with- with less alcohol. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:36 Well, the other thing is that these companies, they don't understand the culture. It's a different culture. You can't bullshit us.

B-Real 7:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:42 Like you can't bullshit us with marketing and advertising. That shit is not gonna work.

B-Real 7:45 No.

Joe Rogan 7:45 You can't have, like, the most interesting man in the world selling weed. "Stay-

B-Real 7:49 No.

Joe Rogan 7:49 ... stay thirsty, my friends."

B-Real 7:51 No.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Like, that kind of (laughs) -

B-Real 7:51 No, that ain't gonna work. You gotta get somebody like Michael Phelps.

Joe Rogan 7:56 Yes.

B-Real 7:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:56 Yeah, man. For real, right?

B-Real 7:57 That's it. Michael Phelps, man.

Joe Rogan 7:58 For real.

B-Real 7:58 I would buy weed from Michael Phelps.

Joe Rogan 8:02 You know what, how funny was it that he got in trouble for that?

B-Real 8:05 You know, what I find it funny is how, how, um, you know, they- they put these, uh, stereotypes on stoners for so long, like they're l- we're lazy, unproductive, and all that stuff. This guy's one of the most decorated Olympians in the history. You know what I mean? What has he got, like, 15 gold fucking medals?

Joe Rogan 8:23 Something preposterous. (laughs)

B-Real 8:25 Yeah, Mr. Big Lungs, that's what we call him, Mr. Big Lungs. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:30 (laughs) That guy probably could take a rip on a bong.

B-Real 8:32 Think about it.

Joe Rogan 8:33 Oh, my God.

B-Real 8:34 I mean, shit.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Right? He had probably has crazy capacity. There it is.

B-Real 8:37 He could probably snap a two-gram bowl, this guy.

Joe Rogan 8:39 Who was the person who ratted him out?

B-Real 8:41 Some low-

Jamie Vernon 8:42 Yeah, some kid.

Joe Rogan 8:43 Some kid?

Jamie Vernon 8:44 Yeah.

B-Real 8:44 Some, yeah-

Joe Rogan 8:44 Some dirtbag.

B-Real 8:45 ... little dickhead.

Joe Rogan 8:46 What a piece of shit.

B-Real 8:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:47 Imagine just going to a party, trying to have a good time, some kid's there with his phone, "He, he, he, he."

B-Real 8:51 That's social network for you, though. They wanna go viral, so they'll- they'll get you in that moment where, you know, you're supposed to be a friend.

Joe Rogan 8:59 But that was, like, before all of that shit was happening. Like, what year was that? If- let's guess. What year was that, '12, 2012?

B-Real 9:06 Well, before, yeah, before, uh, let's just say, before, you know, uh, Instagram kicked off.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Yeah.

B-Real 9:14 But there was still YouTube and Twitter.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Yeah.

B-Real 9:16 You know, if you wanted to put somebody on blast or you wanted to have a viral video, YouTube has been there for a long time.

Joe Rogan 9:23 Yeah, Twitter was, like, 2007, right? Wasn't it?

B-Real 9:27 I- I believe so, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:28 Yeah. I think, when was Michael, when was it Michael Phelps? When did he get in trouble?

Jamie Vernon 9:33 I'm looking. It's- I've s- I'm seeing different stuff. So I- I saw a picture of it on YouTube from 2009, so that means it would've been in 2008 Olympics, but-

Joe Rogan 9:40 Oh.

Jamie Vernon 9:41 ... that seems s-

Joe Rogan 9:41 That makes sense.

Jamie Vernon 9:42 ... like it was a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Yeah, that makes sense, though, 'cause then he came back, right?

B-Real 9:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:47 He retired and then he came back.

B-Real 9:49 Well, I think he was suspended.

Jamie Vernon 9:51 Pfft.

B-Real 9:51 I think he was suspended.

Jamie Vernon 9:52 Yeah, 2009 is when he got caught, so-

B-Real 9:54 And then, uh, and then he had to, you know, do the suspension, and then he came back and got some more medals.

Jamie Vernon 9:58 Pfft.

B-Real 9:59 Like, "Ha ha, fuck you," right? I love that.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Was he suspended because of the weed?

B-Real 10:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:04 (sighs) oh.

B-Real 10:05 Well, you know, hey, listen, on- on a- in a lot of places, it's still, uh, on a- a banned substance list, you know.

Joe Rogan 10:11 Oh, yeah, Texas. Texas is real bad, February 2000- well, 2009. He was only 23, apologized-

B-Real 10:17 Keep-

Joe Rogan 10:18 ... for an incident where he was caught on camera at a party smoking a bong that was allegedly marijuana. Uh. (laughs)

B-Real 10:24 He shou- you know, he shouldn't have apologized for that.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Fuck you.

B-Real 10:27 He shouldn't have had to have apologized for that.

Joe Rogan 10:29 Thing is though, they have those guys bent over a box because they're all just trying to get that sponsorship money.

B-Real 10:34 Right, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 10:35 And it's, yeah, you have to be squeaky clean if you wanna be on the Wheaties box. You can't be-

B-Real 10:38 Yeah, if you're an Olympian.

Joe Rogan 10:39 Yeah. They're not gonna put Cypress Hill on the Wheaties box just yet.

B-Real 10:43 No, wouldn't that be great, though?

Joe Rogan 10:44 (laughs)

B-Real 10:44 But take the- the T-H out and add a E and put a D and I-E-S at the end, let's go. Wheaties.

Joe Rogan 10:53 Yeah, I don't know, man. You guys were so far ahead of the curve, though, you know? I mean, you- you were- you had weed songs, like, when? Like, what year?

B-Real 11:02 That was, uh ... The- the first album was in '91.

Joe Rogan 11:06 Yeah.

B-Real 11:06 And we started writing for that album probably, uh, four years prior.

Joe Rogan 11:12 Wow.

B-Real 11:13 And, uh, you know, the weed songs, those came about because we were weed heads, you know. We just, "Fuck it, let's be ourselves," right?

Joe Rogan 11:20 But it was a different thing, though, for people that were- were fans, uh, 'cause, uh, I- when I was listening to you, I was, uh, just getting ready to move from Boston to New York. And, uh, back then, you would hea- hear about new hip hop bands from, like, friends.

B-Real 11:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:38 Like, you didn't, like, there was-

B-Real 11:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:40 There was no-

B-Real 11:40 It was word of mouth.

Joe Rogan 11:40 Yeah, man.

B-Real 11:41 Yeah, man. For sure.

Joe Rogan 11:42 I would hear about it, like, somebody that I- I think somebody I worked out with had it. And I was like, "What the fuck is this?" And they were like, "That's Cypress Hill." I was like, "Damn."

B-Real 11:50 Yeah, we were trying to be different, you know, um, not sound like a typical West Coast, you know, group.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Right.

B-Real 11:55 Because a lot of, a lot of West Coast groups at that point, you know, what the labels were looking for were NWA, you know, types, and, you know, things like that, like either ...... you know, gangster, West Coast gangster rap. They were looking for that or either the, the Kid Frost, Chicano type.

Joe Rogan 12:13 Yeah.

B-Real 12:14 And we didn't wanna do that. We didn't wanna, uh, foothold ourselves like that. You know, Muggs being from New York, he wanted to sort of blend both worlds, right? So, you know, we went with, with-

Joe Rogan 12:25 (sniffs)

B-Real 12:25 ... the East Coast type sound with LA, you know, type of slang, mixed with, with East Coast slang.

Joe Rogan 12:32 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 12:33 And so people, you know, they were like, "Where the fuck are these guys from?" And, and people thought we were from Cypress Hill, New York, 'cause there's a Cypress Hill down there.

Joe Rogan 12:40 Oh.

B-Real 12:40 And, uh, you know, people just didn't really know at first because we were one of the first groups that didn't put our images on any of our first, um, you know, any of our singles or, or our art covers. We never did, like, the, the shots like, you know, that, that were existing at that time where it's a clean shot of the group or the artist or whatever.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 12:59 We were always on some... You know, 'cause we were metal heads too, you know. Before the hip hop, we liked the obscure metal albums, so we didn't, we were like, "We're not gonna put ourselves on the covers. We're just gonna do these crazy obscure covers and make people, you know, try to guess who we are, be mysterious."

Joe Rogan 13:15 Damn, we talk about longevity. I mean, you guys, you guys have been around a long fucking time.

B-Real 13:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:21 And-

B-Real 13:21 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 13:22 ... you never dropped off at all.

B-Real 13:23 It's crazy, you know. Um, we, we didn't expect it. We didn't know how long our run would be. We just kept working, you know. We, we always had a strong work ethic. We were never the types just to sit around. We were always doing something, you know. Muggs is always making beats. Um, you know, I'm always writing to something. I'm always into one project or another. So it's, it was always just about keeping busy and, and that, that, uh, suited us well.

Joe Rogan 13:49 It's crazy. 28 years later-

B-Real 13:51 (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 13:51 ... still banging it. (laughs)

B-Real 13:52 It's crazy when you say it. (laughs) 28 years.

Joe Rogan 13:55 28 years later from your first album, man.

B-Real 13:58 Wow, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:58 And a- and again, you guys never dropped off for a second, not once. You were always there.

B-Real 14:03 You have to be consistent in hip hop, you know, in, in music in general, especially, like, if, if there is a time where radio stops playing your music or, you know, as MTV stopped playing music videos and, and they went for more, um, reality show type programming, you gotta g- you gotta stick out there. So for us it was, you know, constantly doing shows. We didn't put out as many albums as we could've, but we thought less was more, you know.

Joe Rogan 14:29 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 14:29 Instead of, like, driving the music into your heart like a stake or something (laughs) like that-

Joe Rogan 14:34 (laughs)

B-Real 14:34 ... we'd just, you know, let everything breathe for a while.

Joe Rogan 14:38 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 14:38 And there was, there was a time where, you know, we sorta let go of doing everything. It was, like, a six-year period where we just kinda took off. We, we didn't... We weren't away completely. We were still doing, like, sporadic shows here and there to keep up the profile, but we weren't, like, touring and working on music. I was off fucking around, uh, competing in paintball tournaments and crap like that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:00 Wait, really? (laughs)

B-Real 15:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:00 You would get into paintball?

B-Real 15:02 Oh, man. Uh, yeah, I had a team called Stoned Assassins and, and-

Joe Rogan 15:05 (laughs)

B-Real 15:05 (laughs) And it was competitive paintball. At the time, I was, you know, training, uh, martial arts as I've done throughout my life. And, uh, I was also playing competitive paintball and-

Joe Rogan 15:16 What kind of martial arts were you doing?

B-Real 15:17 Shotokan.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Oh.

B-Real 15:18 I started off with taekwondo and I got sort of, I mean, it's, it's like it was, uh, it was... The dojo was cool, you know, and, and I was progressing quickly, but I sorta fell out with the master there, with the sifu or whatever. I can't remember what his-

Joe Rogan 15:35 Sa Bo Nim.

B-Real 15:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:37 Yeah.

B-Real 15:37 And, uh, one of my partners who I grew up with who was one of my partners in our Dr. Green Thumb, um, brand and whatever, his father, um, was a, was a, you know, sensei and, and his sensei and became my sensei. I went from taekwondo to Shotokan and I started training with him. I mean, he had been in the dojo since he was five years old training with his father, so, you know, I came into that. It, it took, it took a little bit of, uh, convincing for me to go from one thing to another 'cause it's such a different style.

Joe Rogan 16:10 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 16:11 Um, but, you know, I adapted to it and I liked it and it was, um, very different. Less flash, but, uh, (laughs) he's very disciplined and, and his father, you know, he was, you know, born in Japan, raised out there, and he, he, you know... Their, their shit is kinda different. They go to, to, to, um, martial arts universities and they get degrees in different martial arts. So they-

Joe Rogan 16:36 Oh, yeah.

B-Real 16:36 ... can go and take, like, okay, hapkido and jujitsu and Shotokan and, and all this and, you know, get their, their degrees, you know. They work their way up in the belt system and all that stuff, but they become teachers through, through that university, I guess, and-

Joe Rogan 16:53 That's fascinating.

B-Real 16:54 And, uh, yeah, his, his father was one of the guys in one of the federations that, uh, he's one of three or four senseis that have to come in and give you the black belt when you actually get it.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Ah.

B-Real 17:06 Yeah, it, uh, what was it, uh, SKFA or something like... I gotta, you know, I'm just going to-

Joe Rogan 17:11 Shotokan Karate Federation or something like that?

B-Real 17:13 Yeah, something like that.

Joe Rogan 17:15 (clears throat) Yeah, I mean-

B-Real 17:15 So you could imagine when Lyoto Machida came on the scene, you know-

Joe Rogan 17:18 (laughs)

B-Real 17:19 ... we were like, "Yeah, someone representing the style that, you know, we were training under anyway."

Joe Rogan 17:23 Yeah, a lot of people got excited when he came about. He was really the first guy to legitimize karate in the modern era of mixed martial arts. He showed-

B-Real 17:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:30 ... like, if you could do all those other things, if you could stuff take downs and you, you knew submissions and all those things on top of that-

B-Real 17:36 You could live.

Joe Rogan 17:37 Yeah, you could... And you could do it in a weird way that people didn't really understand as timing.

B-Real 17:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:42 You know, Wonderboy Thompson's similar to that too. He's got a weird timing.

B-Real 17:45 Weird timing. It's, it, it's, you know...

Joe Rogan 17:47 Yeah.

B-Real 17:47 And then the feints with the hips.

Joe Rogan 17:48 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 17:49 He was good with that shit.

Joe Rogan 17:50 Oh, yeah.

B-Real 17:50 Like, you know, he, he-

Joe Rogan 17:51 Yeah.

B-Real 17:51 ... would throw people off with that. And, you know, we w- I just happened to go see his fight against Rashad Evans.

Joe Rogan 17:58 Oh, shit.

B-Real 17:59 And, uh, man, I mean, it surprised all of us. I mean, we thought he would win, but we didn't know he would win in that fashion. I mean...

Joe Rogan 18:05 Yeah, he was something special.

B-Real 18:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:07 You know, I mean, and he's doing... He's over at Bellator now, right? With his brother. His brother Chinzo's been o- over there for a while.

B-Real 18:14 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:14 His brother's a l- I think his brother's a bantamweight.... or featherweight, one of those. But, um, yeah, that, the, I think it's good to go from Taekwondo to o- other styles because Taekwondo gives you a lot of dexterity. You learn how-

B-Real 18:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:26 ... to move your legs easily.

B-Real 18:27 Yes, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 18:28 Yeah.

B-Real 18:28 It's a good foundation.

Joe Rogan 18:29 Yeah. It's a good way to start off.

B-Real 18:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:31 It's good for little kids too. They get-

B-Real 18:32 For sure.

Joe Rogan 18:33 ... s- that doesn't, you know, there's not a lot of head contact or not as much-

B-Real 18:35 The coordination too, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Yeah.

B-Real 18:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Yeah, and then when you learn, if you learn, if you really actually want to fight and you want to learn Muay Thai and all those other things, you have way quicker legs.

B-Real 18:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:44 Th- they just move better.

B-Real 18:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Yeah.

B-Real 18:46 For me, you know, I, I was never good with the, all those flashy kick, kicks like that, so, you know-

Joe Rogan 18:51 You're a big dude.

B-Real 18:51 Yeah, it was harder for me, Taekwondo. Like, the Shotokan was definitely hard, but it was more suited for someone myself.

Joe Rogan 18:57 That's a hard style. Shotokan's a hard style.

B-Real 19:00 It is, man.

Joe Rogan 19:00 It's a good style.

B-Real 19:01 And he, you know, he, when he was training us, he would not, like, let up. He goes, he'd, "Oh, B-Real's here, let me go light on him." Nah. Everything I did, like, you know, that, that, that I did outside of music, when I tried, like for instance, paintball. When I went into paintball, there was a price on my head every game.

Joe Rogan 19:18 (laughs)

B-Real 19:19 Everybody wanted to give me extra shots.

Joe Rogan 19:21 Of course.

B-Real 19:21 So like, if I got hit while I'm walking out, I would get 10, 20 extra paintballs to my back.

Joe Rogan 19:28 Oh.

B-Real 19:28 You know, and we'd give it right back to them, you know? And the very next game when we played them guys again, we were making sure to give them that right back, but-

Joe Rogan 19:37 So you got deep into this.

B-Real 19:38 Oh, yeah, I was, man. It, it's addicting-

Joe Rogan 19:40 (laughs)

B-Real 19:40 ... man. I gotta tell you, um, if there's any physical activity that is addicting, it is paintball 'cause it's chess with guns.

Joe Rogan 19:48 Yeah.

B-Real 19:48 Because it's so fast and so close, and you gotta think of a strategy, you know? It's not all shooting straightway, it's all shooting angles and getting your guys to positions to get those guys out to keep moving up to get their flag, wipe them out, and bring the f- flag back.

Joe Rogan 20:03 Now are there restrictions on power? Like the power-

B-Real 20:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:06 ... of the guns?

B-Real 20:06 Yeah, yeah, um, I believe you can't shoot above 300 PSI. I think it's-

Joe Rogan 20:12 (coughs)

B-Real 20:13 ... I think it's, uh, the, the highest you can shoot is maybe 285, 290, at least at the time. I haven't-

Joe Rogan 20:17 But if you go balls out, if you wanted to get the ultimate paintball gun, what is that?

B-Real 20:22 Oh, man. It's, it's, it's hard-

Joe Rogan 20:24 (coughs)

B-Real 20:25 ... 'cause, uh, we were using different guns at the time s- 'cause it's, it's like, uh, each year, a better gun comes out.

Joe Rogan 20:30 Oh, no.

B-Real 20:30 The technology gets better, so, you know, we were using at first when we started, these, these guns called Angels, and then we went over into, uh, these other guns. Fuck, I can't remember the name of 'em, but they were light. I mean, the best thing is to have a light gun with, with the trigger that you can fan, see? 'Cause th- that's the technique to get it to shoot like a, like a Uzi, right?

Joe Rogan 20:53 (laughs)

B-Real 20:53 You're not supposed to be able to pull the trigger and multiple balls come out with one pull. It's supposed to be that the, the, the gun shoots as fast as your, your, your, your two fingers or three can toggle. So, if you get a rhythm, you could shoot that thing like a fucking Uzi, you know? And everybody has a different position. You know, like mine, I was like one of the quarterbacks, which is the last three on the line, see? It's like a football field, right? You got the 50 and there's obstacles at the 50 and in between and it's mirrored on the other side. The quarterbacks play the back, and they shoot a whole bunch of paint so that the other guys that are the front and mid guys can get into these different positions to shoot the other guys out. So, the guys in the back were shooting the most paint, so you have to use that fanning, um, style.

Joe Rogan 21:42 So using three fingers?

B-Real 21:43 Three fingers 'cause the, the trigger where you're, where, the, the, the base where you're pulling the trigger, you can fit three fingers there. Yeah, it's really for two-

Joe Rogan 21:52 Wow.

B-Real 21:52 ... but you could fit three. Yeah, this, this was our team right here.

Joe Rogan 21:56 (laughs) Stoned Assassins '07.

B-Real 21:57 Stoned Assassins, and we were always pretty stoned when we were playing.

Joe Rogan 22:00 (laughs) Did that help?

B-Real 22:02 Yeah. Uh, the, the, the furthest we went, we took third place in one tournament.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Wow, you guys-

B-Real 22:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:06 So this is crazy. Like, you guys have all these barriers and shit, and-

B-Real 22:09 Yeah, these are all blow-up barriers right here.

Joe Rogan 22:11 It looks like a football field.

B-Real 22:12 Yeah. Th- that, that's what they would replicate, like a football, soccer field, and, uh, you know, you put all the, these, these obstacles up, these blow-up obstacles, and, uh, they're all just positions to, to try to take to, um, get a better angle on the other side. And so-

Joe Rogan 22:31 And what's the, what's the ultimate goal? To take everybody out?

B-Real 22:33 It's, uh, you get points for taking the other side out, but you get the maximum points getting their flag and bringing it back to your side.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Oh.

B-Real 22:42 And, you know, you get points for how many guys on your side that are still alive. So, you know-

Joe Rogan 22:48 Mm.

B-Real 22:48 ... you would get 100% if all seven of your guys were alive, you killed all of them, and brought their flag back.

Joe Rogan 22:53 That ever happen?

B-Real 22:55 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:56 Damn, who were you playing? (laughs)

B-Real 22:58 Uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 22:58 (laughs) You guys crawling around and shit?

B-Real 23:00 The, the thing about paintball, right, is that, let's just say there's six tiers, right? There's the pros, there's the semi-pros, there's the amateurs, there's the novice, there's the rookie, and, uh, each, each, each tier had at least 200 teams competing in this-

Joe Rogan 23:17 Wow.

B-Real 23:18 ... per tournament. And these guys, y- uh, back in that time, I don't know how d- how it is now 'cause I haven't competed in a long time, but they would do five tournaments a year. One would be in Huntington Beach, the biggest one, and it was awesome. They would throw it, you know, right next to a surfing tournament, so like, it would just be cross- people crossing up watching the surfers and then coming and watching the paintball. Then it would head to, you know, Boston and Florida and, um, Las Vegas and one other, one other place I can't remember. But we would do these tournaments f- I, I was doing them for, like, four or five years, and the guy before me that was the, the ambassador was, uh, one of the, one of the Bee Gees.

Joe Rogan 23:59 Wow.

B-Real 23:59 One of the Bee Gees, uh, the one who passed away first, um-

Joe Rogan 24:03 Barry Gibb? Was it Barry?

B-Real 24:04 No, he was the one that'd always wear the hat.

Jamie Vernon 24:07 Oh.

B-Real 24:07 Um, he was the shorter one.

Jamie Vernon 24:09 So he was a paintball fiend?

B-Real 24:10 He was a paintball fiend, like myself.

Jamie Vernon 24:13 (laughs)

B-Real 24:13 He, he owned a store. He had a team, I think it was based out of, uh, Flo- uh, out of Miami.

Jamie Vernon 24:19 (coughs)

B-Real 24:19 And he would compete up until when he passed away. He was, like, the ambassador and I kinda-

Jamie Vernon 24:23 Wow, there he is.

B-Real 24:24 Yeah. I came in and took his spot-

Jamie Vernon 24:26 (laughs)

B-Real 24:26 ... when he-

Jamie Vernon 24:27 Maurice.

B-Real 24:27 Yeah, Maurice.

Jamie Vernon 24:29 Maurice Gibb. That's crazy.

B-Real 24:30 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 24:30 I had no idea.

B-Real 24:31 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 24:31 Wow, you guys are armored the fuck up, huh?

B-Real 24:33 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 24:33 How fa- These things must sting.

B-Real 24:35 Oh, man. I mean, I'd leave with at least 20 paintball bruises, you know, pr- you know, in one, one sitting. And, you know, you're, you, you look like a leopard coming-

Jamie Vernon 24:46 Wow.

B-Real 24:46 ... coming off after that. You know who else was a big paintball enthusiast was William Shatner.

Jamie Vernon 24:51 Really?

B-Real 24:51 Yeah. He would hold these crazy tournaments, like, in Trekkie style-

Jamie Vernon 24:55 (laughs)

B-Real 24:55 ... where it's a scenario game. Meaning that, okay, here's the castle. I'm gonna be in the castle right here. You guys gotta siege the castle and then if you guys can come get me outta here, you guys win this round. And they would s- uh, through the three days they'd set up different scenarios. Like, there he goes. See that?

Jamie Vernon 25:14 (laughs)

B-Real 25:14 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 25:14 William Shatner played paintball.

B-Real 25:16 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 25:16 This is crazy.

Narrator 25:17 (laughs)

B-Real 25:18 It's-

Jamie Vernon 25:18 I woulda never guessed. But how does he run? He can't run.

B-Real 25:21 Well, no.

Jamie Vernon 25:21 He's, like, 80 years old.

B-Real 25:22 He, he, he doesn't run. They p- they put him in a central place-

Jamie Vernon 25:25 Wow.

B-Real 25:25 ... and he'll shoot. Sometimes he would go out there, but ... So he would just stay put?

Jamie Vernon 25:29 (laughs)

B-Real 25:29 Yeah, he would stay put.

Jamie Vernon 25:31 (laughs)

B-Real 25:31 You would have to protect him. He-

Jamie Vernon 25:33 That's like old man paintball.

B-Real 25:34 He would fight too.

Jamie Vernon 25:36 Look at him.

B-Real 25:36 He would fight too, but he would, he would, you know, they would be trying to protect him.

Jamie Vernon 25:40 Oh, that's so crazy.

B-Real 25:41 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 25:42 Wow.

B-Real 25:43 And, uh, I mean, there's a bunch of celebrities that did paintball, man. Will Smith was paintballing before he did iRobot.

Jamie Vernon 25:49 Really?

B-Real 25:49 He did that. He came down to the park where we would practice at. We, we played w- with him and his team. Um, but it was a scenario game. Uh, Joaquin Phoenix, we ... Mekhi Phifer. I mean, you'd be surprised how many people are-

Jamie Vernon 26:02 Well, it looks like fun.

B-Real 26:03 ... at the-

Jamie Vernon 26:03 I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

B-Real 26:04 You let off steam.

Jamie Vernon 26:06 Yeah.

B-Real 26:06 I mean-

Jamie Vernon 26:06 How many people are on a team?

B-Real 26:07 (smacks lips) On, on a com- a competition team, you have, uh, a, you have 11 for the roster and 7 play at a time. And you can, you know, switch guys out. But now it's different. Now they do, like, five man and three man teams.

Jamie Vernon 26:21 Hmm.

B-Real 26:21 I don't know anything about the new style. But, you know, they, they constantly call me back. 'Cause I'm in better shape than I was when I played. I was a little bit heavier than ... That's why I was at quarterback.

Jamie Vernon 26:32 (laughs)

B-Real 26:33 (laughs) I wasn't, you know, I wasn't running too fast then, but, you know, they'd, they always hit me, man. I'll always get hit on my DM on IG or Twitter, like, "Hey man, when you coming back to the paintball field?" I'm like, pssh.

Jamie Vernon 26:44 Ugh.

B-Real 26:45 When I get time, which is probably never, but-

Jamie Vernon 26:47 It seems like a, a big time suck.

B-Real 26:49 Loved it, man. I loved playing the game. It was so addicting. It was hard to pull away from it. I w- I would even, at times, be coming home from, from a tour, straight into a tournament. Like, I'd get off the plane, I'd have somebody have my paintball shit ready and boom, straight to the tournament.

Jamie Vernon 27:05 (laughs)

B-Real 27:06 Can't tell you how many times I was doing that.

Jamie Vernon 27:08 Really?

B-Real 27:08 Yeah. It was fucking crazy.

Jamie Vernon 27:10 It's, it's funny when things get in your blood, right?

B-Real 27:13 Oh.

Jamie Vernon 27:13 They get in your bones.

B-Real 27:14 Yeah, that got in my blood like martial arts did, 'cause I was always, like, an enthusiast, like, you know, f- for a long time, you know? And, uh, when I finally started training, I was training, like, seven days a week, man.

Jamie Vernon 27:27 Wow.

B-Real 27:27 I wouldn't give myself any time off 'cause I wanted to learn fast-

Jamie Vernon 27:30 (coughs)

B-Real 27:30 ... and I wanted to absorb it, you know? Uh-

Jamie Vernon 27:33 Did you ever fuck with jujitsu?

B-Real 27:34 No. I, the, I always wanted to, but I never did.

Jamie Vernon 27:37 Why not now?

B-Real 27:37 I, you know I-

Jamie Vernon 27:38 You're in YouTube.

B-Real 27:38 I thought about it and, uh, I, I-

Jamie Vernon 27:41 Come on down to 10th Planet, man.

B-Real 27:42 I, I-

Jamie Vernon 27:42 You'd fit right in.

B-Real 27:43 I think I will. You know? Uh, like, a lot of people have asked me and invited me 'cause they know, you know, I'm a UFC fan, I'm a mixed martial arts fan, I'm a boxing fan, you know, all that shit. I, you know, a couple of my cousins are ... Well, one of them was a champion professional boxer, which was Michael Carbajal. And his nephew is-

Jamie Vernon 28:00 He was your cousin?

B-Real 28:01 Yeah, that's my cousin.

Jamie Vernon 28:02 Damn. I met my go- ... (clears throat) I met him one day at the Comedy Store.

B-Real 28:05 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 28:06 Long time ago, man.

B-Real 28:07 Yeah, when he was, uh, when he was a champ, he was-

Jamie Vernon 28:09 He was a beast.

B-Real 28:10 He was a beast. And his, uh, nephew is now, now boxing. Keenon Carbajal.

Jamie Vernon 28:14 Oh, okay. Cool.

B-Real 28:15 So yeah, you know, we're rooting for family right there, but-

Jamie Vernon 28:18 He's from Arizona, right?

B-Real 28:18 Yeah, from AZ, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 28:19 Yeah.

B-Real 28:20 Yeah. So yeah, y- I've, I've been invited to, to, to, to, you know, come fuck with some jujitsu and, and I think I, you know, I think I will 'cause-

Jamie Vernon 28:29 (coughs)

B-Real 28:29 ... I mean, uh, y- uh, you gotta know it. I think, I think you, you know, it's something that would benefit anyone from kno- to know that.

Jamie Vernon 28:37 Yeah.

B-Real 28:38 So that you don't actually, you know, get in a fight and have to hurt somebody bad or they hurt you. You know what I'm saying?

Jamie Vernon 28:45 Yeah.

B-Real 28:45 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 28:45 Just choke them.

B-Real 28:46 Just choke them out.

Jamie Vernon 28:46 (laughs)

B-Real 28:47 I saw Everlast choke-

Jamie Vernon 28:49 (laughs)

B-Real 28:49 ... some guy out one night-

Jamie Vernon 28:51 Really?

B-Real 28:51 ... man, it was the fucking ... 'Cause, you know, he, he, he fucks around a little bit, you know? He knows people-

Jamie Vernon 28:56 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 28:56 ... that, that teach jujitsu and they've taught him a couple things and (laughs) we're at the Rainbow one night where we were holding court, um, just smoking like it's Amsterdam down there. And we were having a conversation and he kept hearing some dude across the s- across, uh, a couple tables over kept saying, "Everlast this, Everlast that." And he, he id- s- ... "Yo, money, say my name one more time."

Jamie Vernon 29:21 (laughs)

B-Real 29:23 (laughs) And he goes, "Everlast?" (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 29:27 (laughs)

B-Real 29:27 And he went back to talking to his people 'cause he didn't think Everlast was gonna come up and do nothing. D- Everlast went and walked over to this table, looked to his face, turned him around real quick and started choking him the fuck out.

Jamie Vernon 29:39 (laughs)

B-Real 29:39 "Say my name again, money. Say it." (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 29:42 Oh, Jesus.

B-Real 29:43 Oh man, it w- it was, it was hilarious. But, uh, yeah, man. Got me-

Jamie Vernon 29:47 Well, 10th Planet is downtown, right? (thumping table) Near where your place is.

B-Real 29:50 Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 29:51 So y- your studio, all your setup, that's, that's real close to 10th Planet Jujitsu.

B-Real 29:54 Yeah, man.

Jamie Vernon 29:55 Just let me know. I'll set it up.

B-Real 29:56 I will, man.

Jamie Vernon 29:57 You gotta avoid any-

B-Real 29:58 (sighs)

Jamie Vernon 29:58 ... Flat Earth conversations that come up.

B-Real 29:59 Oh, I, you know-

Jamie Vernon 30:00 Just plug your ears and keep moving.

B-Real 30:01 I get those from-

Jamie Vernon 30:02 (laughs)

B-Real 30:02 I get those from time to time, you know? You know? I get the Flat Ear-

Jamie Vernon 30:05 People need to stay the fuck off of YouTube, man.

B-Real 30:07 Sh- (sighs) man. Stay-

Jamie Vernon 30:09 (coughs)

B-Real 30:09 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 30:09 They get confused.

B-Real 30:11 Yeah. That's it, that's the craziest shit.

Joe Rogan 30:13 Yeah.

B-Real 30:14 'Cause I always argue like this about the flat Earth, right? So, hey, listen, if we got a flat Earth, there's a edge, right? And there's always thrill-seekers looking to do something thrilling. And there's always a thrill-seeker that fucks up and falls right off of that edge, right? So how many-

Joe Rogan 30:31 (clears throat)

B-Real 30:31 -motherfuckers would be falling off the edge of the Earth if we really had one?

Joe Rogan 30:35 Oh, for sure.

B-Real 30:36 You know?

Joe Rogan 30:36 Yeah. There would be climbers. There'd be a bunch of dudes who would try to hang off the edge and take selfies.

B-Real 30:41 Think about it, right? 12 people this year have died at the Grand Canyon. That's the Grand Canyon.

Joe Rogan 30:48 Is that really that many?

B-Real 30:49 That many.

Joe Rogan 30:49 Damn.

B-Real 30:50 So far, in, in this year. And some people die of a heart attack there because, you know, it's too much for them to be on that little bridge that they have there that, that extends past the, the edge of the canyon. They, they put in a l- a little bridge way so that y- you can go and look down. And-

Joe Rogan 31:07 People have heart attacks doing that?

B-Real 31:08 And people h- have had heart attacks from that.

Joe Rogan 31:10 (laughs)

B-Real 31:11 But the other guys are the ones trying to do selfies.

Joe Rogan 31:14 Oh.

B-Real 31:15 Falling off the fucking bridge and plummeting, right?

Joe Rogan 31:18 (imitates falling sound)

B-Real 31:19 So you gotta think, man, if we had, if we had a flat Earth, how many people would be visiting the edge-

Joe Rogan 31:24 (laughs)

B-Real 31:24 -and falling the fuck off taking a selfie, man? There's no... You know? Come on.

Joe Rogan 31:29 No doubt. There'd be teams of people.

B-Real 31:31 Teams.

Joe Rogan 31:32 They would travel to flat Earth and they would, they would like rope-

B-Real 31:34 We'd-

Joe Rogan 31:34 Apare- Like, li- li- li- like, Alex Honnold would probably try to climb off the side.

B-Real 31:38 We'd hear it on the news, "Another person has died from falling off the edge of the Earth."

Joe Rogan 31:43 Yeah. It would be 100%. (coughs)

B-Real 31:45 Ar- that'd be our hundredth (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 31:47 The flat Earth people-

B-Real 31:48 ... fatality this year.

Joe Rogan 31:48 ... will tell you, though, that the government guards that.

B-Real 31:50 Yeah, N- in Antarctica, right?

Joe Rogan 31:52 They guard the edge. Yeah, you can't go near it, bro.

B-Real 31:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Battleships.

B-Real 31:54 Well, there wouldn't be just one edge, though, right?

Joe Rogan 31:57 That's true.

B-Real 31:58 There c-

Joe Rogan 31:58 'Cause they didn't think that through.

B-Real 31:59 Yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 31:59 No.

B-Real 31:59 There'd be several edges if we're flat. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:02 Yeah, but see, you gotta have that YouTube mentality. You gotta put your head in a little box and leave it in there. (laughs)

B-Real 32:07 Yeah, fucking turn the oven box on and stick your head in it.

Joe Rogan 32:10 The government's blocking the edge, man. You can't get near it.

B-Real 32:14 Yeah, we're ... Th- it's like we're living in this, uh, a dome.

Joe Rogan 32:17 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 32:17 You know, that's, that's the theory.

Joe Rogan 32:18 That's the other one. Yeah, the dome.

B-Real 32:20 The dome theory.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Yeah, there's no space. Space is fake.

B-Real 32:22 Ah.

Joe Rogan 32:23 (laughs)

B-Real 32:23 Fuck, man. People-

Joe Rogan 32:24 People smoke too much.

B-Real 32:25 People wanna believe in some crazy shit-

Joe Rogan 32:27 (clears throat)

B-Real 32:27 ... you know?

Joe Rogan 32:28 Yeah. I wonder how much of them are stoners, like most of them, right?

B-Real 32:32 How many of them are microdosing?

Joe Rogan 32:34 Oh, could ... Yeah, probably.

B-Real 32:35 'Cause, you know, 'cause, 'cause see, that's a thing now. Everybody's like-

Joe Rogan 32:39 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 32:39 -fucking microdosing right now. And it's not bad for you. They, they say it's actually, you know, kinda good for you. But-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Ron White's doing it.

B-Real 32:45 But-

Joe Rogan 32:45 Ron White microdoses, uh, psilocybin-

B-Real 32:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:48 ... every day.

B-Real 32:49 Yeah, right?

Joe Rogan 32:49 He goes, "Well, I never felt better in my life."

B-Real 32:51 And they like to talk when they're microdosing.

Joe Rogan 32:53 Yeah.

B-Real 32:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:54 Especially psilocybin. You just have these ideas.

B-Real 32:57 That's the thing. You have ideas and your mind becomes open to shit that normally, you know, you're closed off to-

Joe Rogan 33:03 Yeah.

B-Real 33:03 ... obviously, you know?

Joe Rogan 33:05 Yeah.

B-Real 33:05 But, you know.

Joe Rogan 33:06 I think they think that the Earth is a disc. I think that's what I've heard recently. They think it's a disc.

B-Real 33:11 A disc.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Some sort of a floating disc.

B-Real 33:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:14 And that we live in the firmament or something like that. There's like some sort of a cover over the top of the disc and that's what the ... Here it is. What is this, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon 33:21 It's the cruise.

Joe Rogan 33:23 Huh?

Jamie Vernon 33:23 For the cruise next year that they're at.

B-Real 33:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:24 The flat Earth cruise?

Jamie Vernon 33:25 Yeah.

B-Real 33:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:26 Oh, my God. Is that real?

B-Real 33:28 The flat Earth cruise. Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 33:28 Yeah. It's-

Joe Rogan 33:28 Best adventure yet. They're gonna get to the fucking glaciers and they're gonna go, "I told you. The whoa."

B-Real 33:32 The flat Earth cruise.

Joe Rogan 33:33 I hope they jump out-

Jamie Vernon 33:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:34 ... and get eaten by polar bears.

B-Real 33:35 That's the funniest shit. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 33:38 It has to use like GPS to get around, so ...

Joe Rogan 33:41 Ah.

Jamie Vernon 33:42 ... good luck. Good luck with that.

B-Real 33:43 You know, how many scientists do they have on their side?

Jamie Vernon 33:46 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 33:46 Oh, all of them.

B-Real 33:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:48 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 33:50 (laughs)

B-Real 33:50 That's the funniest shit, man.

Joe Rogan 33:51 Uh, no, it's fucking ridiculous. There's, there's a, there's gigantic satellites that take huge high-resolution photos of the Earth every 10 seconds-

B-Real 33:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:58 ... from orbit, from thousands of miles out.

B-Real 34:01 Those are doctored.

Joe Rogan 34:02 Yeah. It's just the whole thing is so fucking stupid, uh, of all the shit to believe in, like, to invest any energy in that. Like, why would someone lie about the shape of the Earth? That's the dumbest part about it.

B-Real 34:12 You, you wanna know what I think is, is, um ... Before, um, the internet and all these different platforms where you can get information, they ... You know, our government and other governments could debunk any information on UFOs, anything, because they ... You know, there wasn't like the wide communication th- that exists now, right?

Joe Rogan 34:33 Yeah.

B-Real 34:33 So I think now they put in people who are saying this crazy wild way out shit so that people are ... that are really trying to expose truth on certain things, they get looked at as-

Joe Rogan 34:46 Yeah.

B-Real 34:46 ... whack jobs like the rest of those that are trying to say, "Oh, well, flat Earth or we're on a disc or we're in a globe or blah, blah, blah." You know?

Joe Rogan 34:54 The government's spying on you. They'll throw all that together.

B-Real 34:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:57 The government is spying on you.

B-Real 34:58 Yeah, they are. That is for sure. I mean-

Joe Rogan 34:59 No, they really are.

B-Real 35:01 That ... It's, it's, you know, since George Bush Jr. was president, they've been listening to our phone calls. I mean, that's a fact. I mean, that was one of the, the things they enacted with the Homeland Security-

Joe Rogan 35:11 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 35:11 ... that they can record every American's call. And, you know, whatever conversation mentioned certain keywords, as we were saying earlier, they would, you know, they would get shuffled off to a certain department and those guys were red-flagged and looked at. And that still happens today.

Joe Rogan 35:27 To, still to this day? You don't need a warrant? They can just listen?

B-Real 35:30 I mean, I'll tell you this, right? There was a ... I'd been traveling, what? 20, 20 some odd years at, at this point where, um, when I, when I, I was coming back into, to the United States, for a long time I would not get, um, randomly checked or anything like that. They just let us go by. And I, I made a few posts somewhere, you know, with an abundant amount of cannabis, right? And right after that post-

Jamie Vernon 36:01 (laughs)

B-Real 36:01 ... each time I came back into the United States, they send me into secondary for a search. And I started asking like, "Hey, um, been traveling for X amount of years. Now, every ... I've noticed that the last four times that I've come back from another country, you guys are randomly, you know, checking my bags now."... what's the deal? Am I red-flagged? What's going on with my passport? Um, well, you know, we're ... I'm not really allowed to tell you this, but, I mean, have you been ... What kind of postings have you made on your social networks?

Joe Rogan 36:35 Really?

B-Real 36:36 Yeah. And I said, "Okay, say no more."

Joe Rogan 36:38 Wow.

B-Real 36:38 And I already knew what it was 'cause I had put like, you know, a, a post with like four, five, six pounds in it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:48 (laughs) What does five pounds of weed even look like?

B-Real 36:50 It's a lot.

Joe Rogan 36:50 It's so light. (laughs)

B-Real 36:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:52 That's like giant pillows-

B-Real 36:54 Oh, it-

Joe Rogan 36:54 ... filled with weed.

B-Real 36:54 Yeah. So, you know, right then and there, I knew, you know-

Joe Rogan 36:58 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 36:58 ... from that reaction that he had that anybody with any sort of, um, that's involved in entertainment, music, athlete, you know, whatever, actor, actress, they're watching all of our shit.

Joe Rogan 37:11 Oh, for sure.

B-Real 37:11 They're listening and they're watching.

Joe Rogan 37:13 (coughs) Well-

B-Real 37:13 So-

Joe Rogan 37:14 ... especially someone like you who's been at the forefront of pushing cannabis legalization and always talked about it openly, flagrantly, even when it was w- a Schedule 1 substance-

B-Real 37:24 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:24 ... everywhere, you know?

B-Real 37:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:27 When did you get a medical card? What year?

B-Real 37:29 I, the, the year that it was available.

Joe Rogan 37:31 (laughs)

B-Real 37:31 The first year it was available.

Joe Rogan 37:33 Was that like '95 or something? '94?

B-Real 37:35 Yeah. I think I got mine from, from Dr. Eidelman. He was like one of the fir-

Joe Rogan 37:39 Dr. Eidelman hooked me up, too.

B-Real 37:40 Yeah. (laughs) All right. We're-

Joe Rogan 37:41 (laughs)

B-Real 37:42 ... Eidelman brothers, all right.

Joe Rogan 37:43 (laughs)

B-Real 37:43 A lot of us are.

Joe Rogan 37:44 I used to, I used to go to him even when it was way more expensive 'cause I'm like-

B-Real 37:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 37:47 ... that guy's an OG.

B-Real 37:48 Yeah. He-

Joe Rogan 37:49 He-

B-Real 37:49 Hey, bro, he, like he told me, he goes, "My God." 'Cause, 'cause I, I lost track of him for a minute, you know, and, uh, when I went back to get a renewal some years back and he's, "Luis, uh, you've, you've been with me a long time. I mean, is it ... What it looks like is that you're patient number four."

Joe Rogan 38:08 Whoa! (laughs)

B-Real 38:09 I was number four on his first, 'cause he keeps-

Joe Rogan 38:12 That's crazy.

B-Real 38:12 ... a list of all his patients, I guess, you know?

Joe Rogan 38:14 Yeah.

B-Real 38:14 And apparently, I was number four.

Joe Rogan 38:17 Yeah, even though there's doctors out here, I would always travel to see him in Hollywood, just out of respect.

B-Real 38:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:21 And, uh, he always had these w- he had, like, OG stoners in the waiting room.

B-Real 38:26 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:26 Just people that were just like barely holding on to reality. (laughs)

B-Real 38:29 Oh, yeah. He had a, he had all sorts. He had the hippies-

Joe Rogan 38:32 (coughs)

B-Real 38:32 ... he had the new, you know-

Joe Rogan 38:34 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 38:34 ... new gens, hip-hop people, like-

Joe Rogan 38:37 He had vitamin drips and shit too? All kinds of weird stuff in his office.

B-Real 38:40 Yeah. He would, yeah, he would try to sell you on some, some different technology any time you came in.

Joe Rogan 38:44 (laughs)

B-Real 38:45 "This, this'll help you stop smoking cigarettes." Well, I don't-

Joe Rogan 38:47 Wow.

B-Real 38:47 ... smoke cigarettes, doc.

Joe Rogan 38:48 Oh yeah, he had like a thing that you put on your ear-

B-Real 38:50 (coughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:50 ... like a little electrical thing?

B-Real 38:51 Little electrode.

Joe Rogan 38:52 Well, yeah, they gave one to Red Band, it didn't work.

B-Real 38:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:56 Yeah.

B-Real 38:57 Eh, you know, you gotta try something, right?

Joe Rogan 38:58 Yeah, he al- it was like a battery-powered thing, right? It give a little charge to your ear that-

B-Real 39:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:02 ... somehow or another was supposed to stop you from smoking cigarettes, like-

B-Real 39:05 Yeah, I didn't get it.

Joe Rogan 39:05 ... uh ...

B-Real 39:05 I didn't smoke cigarettes though, so I was like, eh, I don't smoke cigarettes, you know?

Joe Rogan 39:09 Did you ever get your lungs checked out from all those years of weed smoking?

B-Real 39:12 Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I get physicals and stuff like that and, uh, you know, occasionally I'll have my lungs checked and they tell me they're great.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Isn't that amazing?

B-Real 39:21 It's crazy, you know, because I think if-

Joe Rogan 39:23 (coughs)

B-Real 39:23 ... if you keep active, you know, like you train and, and, and, uh, a lot of us train now, like o- this generation, they're not like lazy stoners, they don't just-

Joe Rogan 39:33 Yeah.

B-Real 39:33 ... sit back and do nothing. There still are those, but, you know, I, I don't think it has the, the same carcinogens as, you know, people expect it-

Joe Rogan 39:42 It doesn't.

B-Real 39:42 ... you know, like cigarettes.

Joe Rogan 39:43 It doesn't.

B-Real 39:44 And so-

Joe Rogan 39:45 (coughs)

B-Real 39:45 ... you know, you might look at-

Joe Rogan 39:47 I gotta cough up.

B-Real 39:47 ... someone's lungs who, who, who smoke cigarettes and, and you might see something there and like, "Hey, you need to, you know, slow the fuck down over here." But in, in every time that I've had my lungs checked or whatever for whatever, uh, whether I've, you know, gotten sick or whatever, they're, they're always telling me, "Lungs are in good shape." And it's a funny thing because, you know, in, I think in 1987, you know, I was 17 and I was gangbanging, I got shot and, you know, the, I got hit by a .22 and, and it, as hollow points do, it, um, it, it broke into three, three pieces, the hollow point, and one of them pr- punctured my, my lung on my left side. And, uh, you know, they were telling me, uh, "Well, you know, um, do you smoke?" Um, "Nah, I don't really smoke." Because I didn't smoke cigarettes. I smoked weed, but I wasn't gonna divulge that at the time. I was 17 and, you know ... And, uh, they said, "Well, you know, well, that's good 'cause you'll never smoke again." It was like, "You, you, they punctured your lung and blah, blah, blah." They thought I was gonna have to work off one lung, but in the three days, you know, they were able to get the blood out of the lung and I was able to get it back, you know, through the exercises they told me, you know, to get it back to its regular size. And I've never had a problem since then, knock on wood.

Joe Rogan 41:11 Did they take the piece of metal out?

B-Real 41:13 No, I still got the three pieces. That's like when I go do my physicals and they do the, you know, the-

Joe Rogan 41:17 MRI?

B-Real 41:18 ... the MRIs and the X-rays and all that, the doctors, you know, sometimes they forget 'cause they see so many patients and they say, "Mr. Friese, um, these appear to be bullet fragments. What, what is that?" "Well, you just said it, doc, they're bullet fragments."

Joe Rogan 41:34 (laughs)

B-Real 41:35 "You've seen them a dozen times." You know? And, uh, yeah, I, I was very lucky. I was very lucky because it, you know, punctured my lung and then two of the pieces, one was by the heart and one was by my spine. But I was at, uh, Martin Luther King Hospital in Lynwood and we called that place Killer King 'cause you'd go in there for something small and end up dying or come out, you know, gimped out or something. So, you know, I wasn't gonna allow them to try and get to those bullets, you know, or those fragments.

Joe Rogan 42:06 To open you up?

B-Real 42:07 Yeah, nah, no, no, 'cause, you know-

Joe Rogan 42:09 (laughs)

B-Real 42:09 ... it ... They didn't have a great success rate.

Joe Rogan 42:11 What kind of, uh, lung exercise they give you?

B-Real 42:14 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 42:14 Try to pump your lungs back up?

B-Real 42:15 They give you this breathing apparatus that has like a ball in it, right? And it has two lines and, you know, the, it's, the, the first line you're trying to ... They're telling you every day for five minutes to 10 minutes to blow that-... you know, not all in one shot, but, like, to keep practicing getting the ball up there, and that will in- help inflate the lung and get it back. So I had to do that for probably like three weeks, and, uh, you know, and the puncture wound, it healed itself pretty much. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 42:46 And the pieces are still in your lung?

B-Real 42:48 Not in the lung. No. It's, it, it went past the lung.

Joe Rogan 42:51 Oh.

B-Real 42:51 It, it shot past the lung, so, you know-

Joe Rogan 42:53 (coughs)

B-Real 42:53 ... it's, uh, I got a piece up here and one off-

Joe Rogan 42:57 Can you feel it?

B-Real 42:57 ... to the side in the back. Well, when it's really cold, due to the, the, the nerve damage, I'll get like stinging like, you know, like when your, when your hand falls asleep-

Joe Rogan 43:07 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 43:07 ... the little needles, the-

Joe Rogan 43:08 Yeah.

B-Real 43:08 I'll get that here, and then, and then back here where it entered. They had to-

Joe Rogan 43:13 Whoa.

B-Real 43:13 They had to cut right in between a rib here to stick the tube in to put the, the hose into the lung to get the blood out of the lung.

Joe Rogan 43:21 Damn.

B-Real 43:22 Yeah. I was, you know, I was living crazy before I got into the music. The music saved my life pretty much.

Joe Rogan 43:29 Really?

B-Real 43:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:30 How long were you gang banging for?

B-Real 43:31 (sighs) Woo, for, for some years. You know, I started, I started young. Um, I was probably 13 years old-

Joe Rogan 43:39 Whoa.

B-Real 43:39 ... of gang banging and, (laughs) and, uh, I got out of it probably ... I didn't necessarily get out, but I changed up what I was doing 'cause you don't ever really get out per se, unless they jump you out. (laughs) And, you know, I was too into it to, to be jumped out like that. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 43:59 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 43:59 That wasn't something I was gonna do because, you know, for as negative as it was, it taught me a lot. Um, so my, my boys that I, you know, ran with, they understood I was trying to do something different. You know, I made a choice to try the music and, and leave that shit alone because there, there was no way that you do both. Y- you, if you do both, you see the results of that what's happening today with a lot of cats. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 44:26 Yeah.

B-Real 44:26 That they try to ride the line, be professional, and be in the music, but they're still kind of in this world over here. And when it bleeds in- one bleeds into the other, it, you know, it fucks everything up. You know? And, uh, so I chose, you know, I was gonna do music and just talk about those life experiences and whatnot. And-

Joe Rogan 44:46 (coughs)

B-Real 44:46 ... that was probably at, um, 18 that, uh, I started taking on the music. And, uh, that's, that's where it went, you know?

Joe Rogan 44:55 Like when you said you learned a lot from it, like what'd you learn from it?

B-Real 44:57 Well, you know, your street, you know? There's, there's common sense and then there's common sense on the streets.

Joe Rogan 45:03 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 45:03 And then there's being aware and looking out, and, you know, not being a doormat. And, uh, just it's, it's a whole different type of schooling when you're gang banging, you know? It's the way you, uh, carry yourself, the way you communicate with someone and know whether they're disrespecting you or not, and how you deal with that disrespect which is, (laughs) you know, a whole different world in the gang bang shit. But it's, uh, it's a different kinda education. You know?

Joe Rogan 45:33 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 45:33 I wouldn't a, I wouldn't take it back. Some of the things I would, you know, I definitely regretted while I was doing it for sure. But, um, it made me see things from, from a different perspective, you know, and, and why, you know, things are the way they are in gangs and stuff like that. From lack, lack of opportunities, you know, for, for these kids to be doing something, you know, 'cause not everybody's good at sports, you know. But there has to be other opportunities other tha- other than that to get kids interested in doing something else. Because falling into the gangs, it's, it's easy. If, if you don't have a good home life at home, the guys on the street are your second family.

Joe Rogan 46:16 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 46:16 And they eventually become your first family. You know what I mean? And if you don't have a father figure at home, one of the guys in the gang, you know, becomes your mentor. He could become like the guy you look up to as like your father figure. You know, there's that. And then, you know, again, there's not enough programs out there to keep people into doing something different than falling into that. And then sometimes, you know, it just, it's a matter of, you know, you growing up in this neighborhood. If you have to walk down that street and they approach you and say, "Hey, if you live in this hood, you gotta be with us. If you don't, we're gonna make it hard for you." So there's that peer pressure.

Joe Rogan 46:56 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 46:56 And then there's the legacy shit. Like so if my father was a gangster in this gang and he still lives in this neighborhood, pressure's on for me eventually to take up where Father left off.

Joe Rogan 47:09 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 47:09 You know? And, uh, it's, it's all those things. And then some people just are thrill seekers and they choose it. They don't have nothing, you know, in common with none of that, they just choose it.

Joe Rogan 47:20 For some people too, it's so appealing to have somewhere that you belong.

B-Real 47:23 Right. And, and, and that's the thing because if you don't feel like you, you belong in your school or you don't belong with your, in your family, and, and that, that shit can-

Joe Rogan 47:33 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 47:33 ... totally take hold. And, and you end up there, you know. Fortunately, I had good friends that weren't gang bangers, the, you know, that they had talent for music which is Muggs and Sen, and Sen's brother, Mello. You know, they were... You know, I did music as a hobby, you know, before I got into gangs and, and they got me back into the music the- 'cause they recognized something in me and said, "Hey, we want you to come back. We're, we got these opportunities over here. Come join us."

Joe Rogan 48:01 Did you always have that style?

B-Real 48:03 No, I didn't, you know?

Joe Rogan 48:04 When did you develop that?

B-Real 48:05 One, once we started working on our Cypress Hill demos, um, Muggs came to me and said, "Hey, man, you gotta do something. You gotta do something different, otherwise you're gonna write for Sen." 'Cause Sen had a good voice, his shit was locked in. In my voice, I was rapping in a voice similar to the one I talk in. And although the rhymes were good, it didn't cut through on the style like on, on, you know, on the beats. It, it just sounded like, you know, some regular shit. So, you know, I didn't wanna be someone's writer, you know? I wanted-

Joe Rogan 48:36 Right.

B-Real 48:36 ... to write for myself. So, you know, uh, there was a guy that we used to listen to, uh-... um, coming up was name was Ramel Z. He was on this, uh, record called Wild Style, and he was in a movie. He was this, uh, rapper who was very, uh, obscure, but he was an artist too, you know, like a graffiti artist, but then also an, an artist-artist, you know, but he was also a rapper. And what he would do is he'd rap in a regular style, like his talking voice, "This is the brother they call the Ramel." He had a deep voice like that. And then he would flip right in the middle, "Taking it uptown to Cypress Hill with the shotgun," blah, blah, blah, like that and, you know, we were always freaking out on that he had two styles. So, I tried throwing my voice in that sort of similar style and it ended up sticking. I didn't really, like, I didn't think anybody was gonna like it.

Joe Rogan 49:30 (laughs)

B-Real 49:30 I thought they were gonna be like, "Get the fuck outta here with that," but they ended up liking it. And, uh, I think the first song that, um, came about in that style was, uh, the song Real Estate off our first album. It's, uh, y- you know, that was where I tried it the first time, they liked it, so then Kill A Man came next.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Yeah.

B-Real 49:49 And I tried that song in that style, then Hand on the Pump, and it just became a flow after that. And I really did not feel it at first. I was like, "Fuck, I can't believe they got me rapping in this voice right now."

Joe Rogan 50:02 (laughs)

B-Real 50:02 And it, it, it took...

Joe Rogan 50:03 (clapping) Woo.

B-Real 50:03 It took a minute to get used to that, you know, like doing it live, because, you know, I had a tendency... We... As, as rappers, you know, that don't know 'cause there's no school for this unless you have somebody who's done it and they teach you, okay, this is what the get down is. And we didn't have that really. It was all hands-on learning. I... You know, for the first few years, man, I was trying to do the voice and I'd end up s- you know, getting over hyped 'cause the crowd is hype. And I'd start yelling the verses instead of, like, rapping them, like, on the record. I'd throw my voice out. My voice would get scratchy. I'd be sounding like Busta Rhymes and shit, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 50:38 (laughs)

B-Real 50:39 And it took me five years to actually harness how to actually do the shows with this voice. And I had to go to this opera singer, um, coach.

Joe Rogan 50:50 Really?

B-Real 50:50 She... Uh, her name was something... Elizabeth Sabine or something like that. She trained a lot of folks, but she, she, sh-... Her shit was like to teach you the operatic way of, of singing which is from the diaphragm, tighten the stomach, take little breaths, but those little breaths make your lungs expand, you know, a lot and it's less projection from your throat and more from the bottom. And she taught me that technique, and I never went hoarse again after that. I, like, would... You know, people often compliment me on, you know, sounding so close to how the records are. There's once in a while where I might get excited and start saying it louder than it might be, but I'm always sort of right there. And I gotta, you know, I gotta give all props to her 'cause if she hadn't showed me that technique, I'd probably still be yelling and screaming my shit out. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:40 (laughs)

B-Real 51:41 Fucking up my voice, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah, that brings up an interesting point. Is this her?

Jamie Vernon 51:44 Yeah, she's teaching somebody-

Joe Rogan 51:45 Oh, look at this.

Jamie Vernon 51:45 ... how to sing heavy metal right here.

B-Real 51:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:46 No way. Let me hear s-... Oh, we can't play this on YouTube.

Narrator 51:49 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 51:49 We'll get kicked off YouTube. (laughs)

B-Real 51:50 And she was a... And she was an opera singer at one time.

Joe Rogan 51:52 Wow.

B-Real 51:53 But she went on to teach people the technique.

Joe Rogan 51:56 No kidding, man.

Jamie Vernon 51:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:58 That is wild.

B-Real 52:01 See, because if you try to keep your breath and, and, and sustain a long note like that from your chest, you won't sustain that n- note long enough. But if you tighten up-

Joe Rogan 52:12 So doing it from your diaphragm?

B-Real 52:13 Yeah, if you tighten up almost-

Joe Rogan 52:14 Oh.

Jamie Vernon 52:15 (laughs)

B-Real 52:15 It's almost like-

Joe Rogan 52:16 I want to hear it.

B-Real 52:16 ... if you're gonna take a shit.

Joe Rogan 52:18 Oh.

B-Real 52:18 Like (groaning) .

Jamie Vernon 52:18 (groaning) .

B-Real 52:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:18 Oh. Instead of from the throat, that makes sense.

B-Real 52:27 Yeah, you know, like it, it, it allows you... It allows your lungs to expand while you're breathing-

Joe Rogan 52:32 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 52:34 ... through... from your diaphragm. So that's what she taught a lot of singers, and it's a... A- another method is to cheat the word, like pronounce it, you know, like you're kinda like... It's, it's like what these mumble rappers do when they, they pronounce a word and they kind of mumble it-

Joe Rogan 52:48 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 52:49 ... and they sort of cheat it. You know what the word is, but they didn't pronounce it all the way.

Joe Rogan 52:53 Right.

B-Real 52:54 I- so, so in other words if she's gonna... You were gonna sing the line, "Come he-... Come with me," you'd s- so it sounds a little bit cleaner you'd say, "Gum with me." But then the way you would say it is more with a G, but it's so tucked in that you hear, "Come with me."

Joe Rogan 53:12 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 53:12 And it's just the cheating way of saying it to get the line a little bit cleaner and, and fucking, uh, you know, in the breath. And she taught me all that shit, and, and it worked for rap. I didn't know if it would because, I mean, it was... It... She primarily taught singers. I was probably the first rapper that she taught this technique to and it stuck, man.

Joe Rogan 53:33 How'd you find her?

B-Real 53:35 Um, one of... One of my friends had heard of her, you know, because I mean, in the, in the industry you meet... You know, you become friends with other, you know, um, your peers and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 53:48 And, you know, and I knew a couple singers and they'd... They'd... They were, you know, noting my problem is just, you know, screaming my verses and coming back with the raspy voice. So they were like, "Here, why don't you try this person right here? This person taught or, or gave this technique to so and so," and it was another singer, I can't remember, but, um, I w- I thought, "Well, you know, what have I got to lose? I mean, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but maybe I learn something from it that I could use somewhere else, right?" And fuck, she, she taught me the, the warm up. She taught me, uh, you know, the certain words that you can cheat to, to, you know, for, for certain breath control purposes 'cause the way you pronounce certain things, you know, sort of add to that, and just the, the tightening of the diaphragm man. Like, if, if I hadn't learned that, it would've took me a lot longer to do the shows the way that I can do them now.

Joe Rogan 54:45 So do you warm up before shows?

B-Real 54:47 I don't necessarily need to. Like, from the first song on, m- my voice, like-... gets in, like the first few bars, it- it warms up right then and there. And, uh, it's not really like singing where I gotta sustain notes and stuff like that-

Joe Rogan 55:00 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 55:00 ... so I don't have to do those same kinda warmups. If I was gonna sing some shit, yes, I would definitely have to get my, you know, get the pitch right and the throat warmed up to- to do those different, you know, melodies or whatever the hell. But fortunately, I don't sing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:18 Yeah. The- the whole rap world has always been fascinating to me, like how someone gets in. Like, how do you get started? Are there open mics? Like, what?

B-Real 55:26 Yeah. Back in the day, man, they, someone had to be the guy e- endorsing you, you know-

Joe Rogan 55:31 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 55:31 ... like saying to, you know, these guys over here, "Hey, man, listen to this- these artists right ... or this artist right here. They're the new shit. They're gonna be the one." And then you would have to do a couple showcases and stuff like that and, you know, win some people over. I mean, we- we definitely did, uh, our share of showcases in the beginning but we were getting passed on left and right because, you know, people thought, you know, "What are they talking about with this cannabis shit?"

Joe Rogan 55:58 (laughs)

B-Real 56:00 (laughs) And we- and we didn't sound like a- a West Coast group, you know, because we were trying to sell our shit to West Coast labels here, and they did not get us. It wasn't until, you know, um, Muggs had- had, you know, he'd previously been in a group called 783 and he had worked with these guys called the Rhyme Syndicate, which was Ice-T's guys. So he kind of, you know, he was the guy that people knew. And then, um, Sen Dog's brother, Mella Manace, eventually would get in the door. And so people started hearing about us through, you know, through more Muggs than Mella. Mella- Mella didn't really do shit for us, you know, all- all truth told. But Muggs, you know, they kept hearing about a group that he was forming outside of 783, which came to be Cypress Hill. And so, you know, the guys, uh, that worked on him worked with him on, uh, the 783 records was Joe Nicolo of- of Ruffhouse Records. You know, he wanted to sign whatever Muggs was doing, and, you know, he eventually ended up signing us, um, and they had a distribution deal with R- uh, with Sony Music. So, you know, we, you know, put out our records through Ruffhouse Columbia or Ruffhouse Sony, something like that. And that's how we got put on, you know. And- and, again, it had to be word of mouth because if nobody heard of y- h- heard of you, you had to have some really fucking dope music for them to even, like, consider you. If you didn't have, like, someone backing you, it was tough. You know, you had to have someone come speak on your behalf and say, "Hey, these guys are the new- new shit." And- and, uh, fortunately for us, once we put out our snippet tape, like when Sony put out our snippet tape, guys like EPMD, right? And they were one of our favorite groups in the world, man. They were the top five for Cypress Hill. It was, you know, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, EPMD.

Joe Rogan 57:54 I love EPMD.

B-Real 57:55 Yeah, fuck. They were the shit. And, uh, those were the guys that took our snippet tape and they were showing our snippet tape to other rappers, like, "Hey, guys, look at these new fucking guys." 'Cause, you know, Busta Rhymes told me this story. "Yo, I've ... Yo son, I heard your shit-

Joe Rogan 58:11 (laughs)

B-Real 58:11 ... from EPMD way back in the day. They was playing it for, uh, Public Enemy and I just happened to be in the room, and what?" And, you know, Ice Cube, when we met him for the first time, you know, um ... And we had our ups and downs with him but he's one of my homies. Um, he- he told me, "Yeah, man, the first time I heard of y'all was through EPMD. They ... We was on tour, was doing a show, and they came in-

Joe Rogan 58:33 That's wild.

B-Real 58:33 ... with y'all tape and that's how I heard of y'all." And- and, you know, they- they were like our first street team, man. Fucking EPMD-

Joe Rogan 58:41 Wow.

B-Real 58:41 ... our fav- our favorite ... one of our f- top three favorite groups was out there, like, with our snippet tape, telling people, "Hey, these guys are the new shit." And-

Joe Rogan 58:50 Are they still together?

B-Real 58:52 Uh, they do- they do stuff occasionally but, uh, th- I think they do more work, you know, individually now. I know Erick Sermon is putting out a- a record right now. He was just promoting it on- on, uh, some radio show. And, uh, I mean, those guys still active- stay active. I mean, he's a producer, so he's always making music. But as a rapper, you know, they don't put out as much stuff as they used to. But yeah, they're still active.

Joe Rogan 59:16 You know who I miss? Kool G Rap.

B-Real 59:18 Kool G Rap.

Joe Rogan 59:19 Ev- I still bust out-

B-Real 59:21 He ... Hey, a lot of guys don't have a style if he doesn't, you know, if he had never come out.

Joe Rogan 59:27 Yeah.

B-Real 59:27 So many people were influenced by him.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Yeah.

B-Real 59:30 Bad motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 59:31 A lot of people forgot about him, man.

B-Real 59:32 A lot of people forgot about him, and he was one of the baddest dudes. I mean, a lot of people, you know, would talk about Big Daddy Kane-

Joe Rogan 59:38 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 59:39 ... and Rakim.

Joe Rogan 59:40 Sure.

B-Real 59:40 But you couldn't talk about them without talking about Kool G Rap 'cause he was like one of those guys, like spitting mad verses, man. Like his bar work was incredible.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Yeah, he was incredible. I still listen to that song Cock Blocking.

B-Real 59:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:54 Every now and then I'll throw that on. (laughs)

B-Real 59:56 Yeah. And I gotta tell you, you know, like if- if- if you hear songs that he does today, he is still fucking current. Like he- his- he's still got that style that- that cuts through. Like, you know, some of the older artists, they- they sorta lose the style that-

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 1:00:11 ... that, uh, people love and they don't know how to transition into, you know, what their style would be right now, you know, like updating whatever that style is.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 1:00:22 You know, a lot of- a lot of the older artists had troubles doing that, you know, but my man Kool G Rap, not a fucking problem.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 Hill Street Blues.

B-Real 1:00:30 Hill ... He's still ill. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 (laughs) Yeah, he was-

B-Real 1:00:33 He's still ill.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 ... fantastic.

B-Real 1:00:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Yeah, I always got confused why he didn't get bigger. I didn't get it.

B-Real 1:00:39 I think-

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 I was like, "This guy's so good."

B-Real 1:00:40 You know, I think it was- it- it was just the wave that came after him.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 1:00:44 You know, it's- it's- it's like a ... He was such a underground force and if you're a underground force, you know, you had to make a- a- a conscious decision whether, okay-... I'm gonna go main- if I go mainstream, I'm gonna lose these hardcore fans. I might gain-

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Hmm.

B-Real 1:01:03 ... you know, these mainstream fans, but how long are they gonna stay with me, as opposed to these core fans that, that, you know, that, that, there-

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 But i- i- with his style, he couldn't just keep them? 'Cause like-

B-Real 1:01:14 I, I thought he could. I-

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 A lot of guys kept them, right?

B-Real 1:01:17 But y- you wanna know something? Uh, I think it was due to, um, you know, the record company not wanting to take the chance. Because as a artist-

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 1:01:26 ... you want everybody to hear your shit.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Right.

B-Real 1:01:27 You know, for us, we didn't play those games. We said, "Fuck it," you know. If, if we felt it was the right look for us, we were gonna take it, you know, no matter what anybody thought, you know. And, uh, uh, uh, again, you face scrutiny for shit like that. But in the end, you know, if you didn't play yourself, people remember that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Yeah.

B-Real 1:01:47 You know. And we said, "Fuck it, we're gonna take our music mainstream," even though that was not our intent. You know, we always meant ourselves to be a more underground group. But Insane In The Brain didn't allow that. Uh, it, it, it, it propelled us, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Yeah.

B-Real 1:02:02 So we were like, "Okay, well, we're gonna take our underground asses up into this mainstream, and show 'em how we do it." And it, it kicked the door open for a lot of un- other underground acts to go into the mainstream. And we proved that if you do it right, and if you stay on your game, and if you keep working, and, and, and stay present, and put out quality music, that you can sustain those, those mainstream fans that you gain right there, and the core.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 Yeah. You guys sustained so well that people covered your shit.

B-Real 1:02:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Like Rage.

B-Real 1:02:37 That was awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Rage Against The Machine, when they covered Pistol Grip Pump On My Left At All Times, holy shit.

B-Real 1:02:41 W- one, one of my favorite bands-

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 Zack de la Rocha yelling that.

B-Real 1:02:44 Yeah. That, that shit was awesome. I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 He w- he took a, uh, a totally different take on it, but like-

B-Real 1:02:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 ... a cover, but it w- it was a cover, but it was his take.

B-Real 1:02:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 It was badass.

B-Real 1:02:54 It, it was one of my favorites, man, you know. And it was a honor to me, because, you know, like, I was really good friends with them to begin with. I saw them come out the gate before they exploded and became Rage Against The Machine.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 1:03:08 And so for them to cover one of our songs, we were like, "Man, fuck yeah." You know. Because it, they, they helped us get better. You know, there was a lot of groups that we looked to, uh, for influence, even if they were doing different style of music. Like Public Enemy was an influence to us. Rage Against The Machine was an inspiration to us, to like push the envelope a little bit more on what we were doing. Not necessarily like how they were, 'cause they had their own sound, just like we had our own sound. And so they made us push, you know. And groups like that made us better. So when we heard this guy fucking doing, or this band doing a cover, and then they asked us to come play this song with them-

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 (laughs) That's awesome.

B-Real 1:03:47 ... which, which would be their last night as Rage Against The Machine for a long time. This was like their last show right here.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Wow.

B-Real 1:03:53 We got to do that with them.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 That must've been amazing.

B-Real 1:03:55 And I was wearing a dad hat before dad hats were cool.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 (laughs)

B-Real 1:04:00 (laughs) I will not wear one right now.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 (laughs)

B-Real 1:04:02 Ever. I don't know what I was thinking, but fuck it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

B-Real 1:04:08 No, it was a fun show, man. I went into the mosh pit be-

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 Oh, did you really?

B-Real 1:04:11 Yeah. Before that song, before they called us up for that song, for most of their set I was in the mosh pit. And there was U- U- USC, uh, (laughs) front linemen down there wrecking shop-

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Oh, no.

B-Real 1:04:22 ... in the mosh pit, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 (laughs)

B-Real 1:04:24 I was in there with them. They were protecting me. I was like, "Oh, shit, be real. You're up here." I'm like, "Yep." Then we were-

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 That's hilarious.

B-Real 1:04:29 ... wrecking shop together. It was, it was awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 There's a video of Dana White in a mosh pit once. I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. He must've been drunk.

B-Real 1:04:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 He jumped in the mosh pit like years ago, but he's-

B-Real 1:04:39 He's a big dude, though.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 He's a big dude, but he's jumping around in there, moshing around. Yeah, I dated a girl who got KO'd in a mosh pit once.

B-Real 1:04:45 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 (laughs)

B-Real 1:04:47 Hey, it's, it's, it's crazy, man. I, I used to go into a lot of different mosh pits, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 And there he's in the Rage mosh pit.

B-Real 1:04:53 Yeah, the Rage-

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 But most of it is safe, but every now and then, you run into a dickhead, man.

B-Real 1:04:56 I'll tell you, man, the, the, the craziest mosh pits I, you know, that I saw ... Well, the craziest mosh pits I've gotten into, there was a Limp Bizkit mosh pit that was crazy. And ... But the craziest was, was the Rage mosh pit. But the ones that I seen from outside of it, not being in it, that were crazy was, there was a Soundgarden mosh pit that I'd seen-

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Soundgarden?

B-Real 1:05:19 Yeah, at, at Lollapalooza early on. It was, uh, when they had Bad Motorfinger out.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 Oh.

B-Real 1:05:25 Oh, man, that fucking mosh pit was like a whirlpool of chaos, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 (laughs)

B-Real 1:05:31 Uh, I was loving it and I was on mushrooms watching this shit. So, (laughs) it was-

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 (laughs)

B-Real 1:05:36 ... fucking amazing. And, uh, then it, and then the Slayer mosh pit, man, their fucking shit is brutal.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 Yeah, that sounds like-

B-Real 1:05:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 ... just the pace-

B-Real 1:05:45 The, the f-

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 ... of Slayer.

B-Real 1:05:45 It's crazy. But I gotta tell you, since joining Prophets of Rage, and us, you know, when we tour Europe and stuff like that, and we do a combination of, you know, uh, Rage Against The Machine songs, Public Enemy and Cypress Hill, along with our, our own material, the mosh pits are fucking crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 (laughs)

B-Real 1:06:03 The, but, you know, there was one, one, one thing that I saw that was not brutal, but it was cool as fuck. And it was in, um, I think, I believe it was Sweden or, or Switzerland, but there w- you know, out of like the, the 60,000, 70,000 people that were out there, there was like maybe 5,000 concentrated people who sat down on their ass, right? And were like, "What the fuck are these people doing?" I don't know. Like, "Are they protesting our set?"

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 (laughs)

B-Real 1:06:29 "What the fuck is going on," right? And what was crazy is, you know, you, you're not gonna stop playing, you just keep going. So we start on, on, um, I believe the song was gorill- Gorilla Radio that we were playing at that, that point. All of a sudden, we see them start doing this.

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 They're rowing?

B-Real 1:06:46 They were row- it, it was like a Viking row. It was-

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 (laughs)

B-Real 1:06:50 ... a fucking move. It was a move that the crowd was doing. So there's fi- like 5,000 people out of the 30,000 that are sitting in, you know, like next to each other, r- r- lines, rows, you know, just fucking of people, rowing on beat, dog. It was the-

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 Wow.

B-Real 1:07:08 ... fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:07:08 There they go.

B-Real 1:07:08 There you go. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 Fucking Vikings, man. How crazy. That DNA just stuck with those people.

B-Real 1:07:14 And that, and that was just the little section of it, man. If you were to see from stage, there was like ... It was spot, like spotted groups.

Joe Rogan 1:07:21 And they sat down.

B-Real 1:07:22 And they sat down and were rowing.

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 (laughs) That's so fucking crazy.

B-Real 1:07:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 Have you ever seen the... There was a... They did a Viking chant once at a soccer game.

B-Real 1:07:33 Crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 Oh, man. It's wild, 'cause the whole fucking arena did it, and you feel it. It's like-

B-Real 1:07:38 You feel that shit.

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 They're like, "Whoo."

B-Real 1:07:40 You gotta think, man-

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 (laughs)

B-Real 1:07:41 ... when they, they were going to wars back in the day-

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 Oh, my God.

B-Real 1:07:43 ... they rallied all their guys up just like that.

Joe Rogan 1:07:45 Look at that.

B-Real 1:07:46 Yeah. There, there goes the fucking row.

Joe Rogan 1:07:47 Look at all those fucking people. They're out of tune, though. This fucking boat's gonna go sideways. (laughs)

B-Real 1:07:50 Yeah. (laughs) I... Uh, you know, I don't, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 (laughs)

B-Real 1:07:53 ... where that move comes from, but it looks cool when you see it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 It looks cool as fuck. (laughs) It's gotta be an old-school Viking thing.

B-Real 1:07:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 They probably do it when they get drunk.

B-Real 1:08:00 Yeah. It... Uh, I mean, you know, uh, think about it, you know, they used to conquest motherfuckers-

Joe Rogan 1:08:05 (sighs)

B-Real 1:08:05 So they're like fucking rowing, (laughs) rowity-rowing.

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 Dude, imagine hearing... Like, see if you could find that... The Viking one at a soccer game, 'cause it's like... I think it's at a World Cup or something like that, but they're like, "Yo, yo, yo." You hear it in the crowd and you're just like, "Oh, my God." Imagine hearing that shit-

B-Real 1:08:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 ... over the water-

B-Real 1:08:22 When they're coming to get you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 ... coming towards your village. Like, "Grab the baby, we're gonna live in the woods. Fuck."

B-Real 1:08:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 "We gotta get outta here."

B-Real 1:08:28 It's... Yeah, uh, yeah. They... And those are big dudes.

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 Yeah. (fireworks exploding) There it is.

B-Real 1:08:33 Oh. (fireworks exploding) Oh, yeah. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 They're all tuned in together, man. They're all in sync. (fireworks exploding) Look at the hands. That's spooky.

B-Real 1:08:45 Yeah, imagine that-

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 Those motherfuckers. If somebody reignites them-

B-Real 1:08:48 Imagine that horde is coming.

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 ... they'll take over the world again.

B-Real 1:08:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 They will take over the world again-

B-Real 1:08:52 Uh...

Joe Rogan 1:08:52 ... if there's enough of them.

B-Real 1:08:53 Ima- Imagine that horde coming at you, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 Oh, my God. What a fucking crazy line of DNA, you know? Uh, uh, uh, a line of people that just were conquerors.

B-Real 1:09:02 Sturdy motherfuckers.

Joe Rogan 1:09:03 Sturdy, giant motherfuckers who did mushrooms.

B-Real 1:09:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:06 They would, they would, uh, g- blaze up, mushroom their fucking heads into oblivion, and just go slash people.

B-Real 1:09:12 And go get them. It's crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 Oof.

B-Real 1:09:15 It's, uh... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 There's another one?

B-Real 1:09:16 That's another one.

Jamie Vernon 1:09:17 It's called a stadium full of dorks.

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 So that's like their thing, the Viking clap.

B-Real 1:09:21 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:09:21 I guess the NFL Vikings sort of adopted this recently. They do it in their football games.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 Yeah, but look at that dork with the glasses.

Jamie Vernon 1:09:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:27 Put your fucking hands down, man. Stop. (laughs)

B-Real 1:09:32 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 1:09:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 Listen, bro.

B-Real 1:09:33 He, he, he... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:34 You ain't a Viking, bro.

B-Real 1:09:35 He's trying to figure out the beat.

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 You, you stop that. Sorry, look, he's like, "Oh, yeah, hi. Oh, I get it." (laughs)

B-Real 1:09:40 (laughs) He's a shpiking.

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 So when, when you first start rapping, like, uh, are you rapping with kids in your neighborhood? Are you, like, aspiring to be a rapper and writing shit down and trying things on your friends? Like, how do you get started?

B-Real 1:09:53 Well, the, the way that I started, I was writing, you know, like poetry first, and-

Joe Rogan 1:09:58 Really?

B-Real 1:09:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:58 Like what kind of poetry?

B-Real 1:09:59 Just like, you know, (sighs) like hood stuff, you know. Just stuff that rhymed, but, like, uh, just sorta writing it down, like... It was, uh... It was almost like writing raps, but it just, you know... It's without saying it, right? Because, um, you read it and shit like that, whatever. But I would just write poetry about, you know, everyday shit. You know what I mean? No- nothing... Uh, you know, it wasn't like doing, like, the... I don't know if, uh, if there's, like, categories of poetry, but it, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 1:10:30 It was just stuff that, that would happen from day-to-day, you know. And, uh, uh, I had a knack for writing, I realized that. And I always wanted to be a journalist. That's, you know, what-

Joe Rogan 1:10:40 Really?

B-Real 1:10:40 ... the, the thing that I thought I was gonna be at school, right?

Joe Rogan 1:10:43 Do you write now?

B-Real 1:10:44 Uh, I was for a while, but I, I looked at it and went-

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 What kind of stuff?

B-Real 1:10:48 Uh, just, uh, again, everyday stuff or, you know, I'd, like, randomly pick something to write about. So if it was can- about the cannabis industry, I'd write something about that. If it was about the music industry, I'd write something about that. Like, I, uh... Every now and then, I would... Uh, there was a... Back in the early 2000s, there was a magazine called Industry Insider Magazine, and occasionally I would write articles for that. I wasn't really that great because, you know, I was so spotty in school that, you know, that, uh, my... You know, it needed work.

Joe Rogan 1:11:21 Mm-hmm, grammar.

B-Real 1:11:22 You know, but they, they left it raw, the way that, that, that I would put it out there. And people got my point, and that, that was cool. But I looked at it, uh, in the way that the, the music that I've done and a lot of the songs serve as a, a certain form of journal- journalism for me. You know, like-

Joe Rogan 1:11:39 Mm-hmm.

B-Real 1:11:40 ... you know, bringing up certain issues that people don't necessarily hear.