Joe Rogan Experience #1414 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (singing) Hello, Mike Baker.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (singing) Hello, Mike Baker.

   2. MBMike Baker0:04

      Hello. (laughs) Hello.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Good to see you, buddy.

   4. MBMike Baker0:06

      Thank you very much. Thanks for having me back on.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      My pleasure. So tell me what's up? Are we in trouble? What's going on, man?

   6. MBMike Baker0:11

      No. It's World War III, haven't you heard?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Is it?

   8. MBMike Baker0:13

      Uh, no.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      No.

   10. MBMike Baker0:14

       No, it's not. No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:15

       No.

   12. MBMike Baker0:15

       I'm here to burst that bubble, I think. Uh, not that anyone's gonna say, "Okay, I, I, I'm writing this down. Mike said no World War III." Um, but it was, it was amazing how, how fast the... Uh, I'll put that closer there. It was amazing how fast the, uh, the narrative came out.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Yeah.

   14. MBMike Baker0:29

       Right? I mean, we'd barely smoked, uh, Soleimani and, and suddenly, uh, the current president's gonna get us into this, this, uh, conflict. And-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       I was nervous.

   16. MBMike Baker0:39

       Well, I think everybody stepped back because it was such a shock to the system, right?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   18. MBMike Baker0:42

       We... I mean, when was the last time we dealt with Iran in this fashion? I mean, uh, as opposed to, like, a, a harshly-worded demarche or a note or maybe an extra sanction here or there. But th- it, it was such a strange, um, uh, development that I think it did... And the natural reaction was to say, "Uh, oh my God, here we go." You know, and certainly everybody's exhausted from, you know, 19 years out there, so. But, you know.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       I was, uh, shocked that Trump could make that call. 'Cause they had a bunch of different options. They had-

   20. MBMike Baker1:13

       And they're like, "Or we could kill him." He's like, "Let's kill him."

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       (laughs) Well-

   22. MBMike Baker1:15

       I was like, "Whoa, I didn't know you could do that." Well, you know what? He's, he's been a target before.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       (coughs) Yes.

   24. MBMike Baker1:21

       Uh, Soleimani is... I mean, it's, there's e-... I guess I should first say, um, where I stand on all this, which is I'm, I'm not mourning his, uh, his, his passing, right? I mean, I think he deserved it. I think his justice, it should've been served up some time ago. He's responsible, not ju- not just for, uh, as people have talked about, the hundreds of, of, uh, US servicemen, um, but thousands and thousands of people. This guy was a completely, um, bloodthirsty douchebag. I mean, there's no way about it. And he was, and it was, and we're talking about the second most, um, structure-wise, the second most important person within the Iranian regime, next to the Ayatollah. So, but the idea that somehow we took out a foreign leader, right? Or a military general, like he was some sort of, um, Ike, you know, Eisenhower-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       Yeah.

   26. MBMike Baker2:05

       ... uh, is insane. The guy was a mob boss. He was, he was, uh, the head terrorist for a state that is the number one sponsor of terrorism around the world. And so, but he's been on, on target lists for a long time. You go back to, I think 2008, there was an operation to take out a guy named Mughniyah, who, uh, himself was also a, a, uh, bloodthirsty psychopath. And, um, he was running Hezbollah operations. So the Israelis, uh, had been tracking him, as had we. Um, and, uh, at one point they had an opportunity to take out Mughniyah and also, uh, Soleimani. And they backed off at the time, um, essentially because the US wouldn't, you know, get behind the idea that we're gonna take out Soleimani. That was, you know, at that point, that was a, a step too far. So they, uh, eventually we got Mughniyah. Um, but Soleimani is just, uh, uh... I mean, I don't even know where to start with the amount of blood that he, he's responsible for. Um, people talk about, again, okay, he authorized operations and activities in Iraq against US soldiers, and against Iraqi soldiers and Iraqi civilians. But it goes back to the beginning of that. I mean, you could go back to 2003. And Soleimani was the, was the architect, he dreamt up this idea as the US was going into Iraq, that, um, he was gonna... I mean, what he did was insane. He basically authorized, I mean, he's in charge, right? So he authorizes the release of a bunch of Sunnis that they've been holding onto. Iran being Shiite, um, arch-rivals being the Sunnis essentially. Um, and the Saudis are, are their archenemy, uh, a Sunni nation. And, but he released all these Sunni extremists that Iran had been holding onto, uh, essentially ever since we'd gone into Afghanistan, right after 9/11. And he released them into Iraq, in- including a guy named Zarqawi who became the head of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. And within a few months of our getting out to Iraq, the, uh, the Sunnis, uh, under, basically under Soleimani's tutelage, uh, had a series of bombings and started bombing everything from Shiite mosques to, um, UN facilities, the Jordanian Embassy, a variety of targets, killing thousands of Shiites. Now, he's a Shiite, right? So this is how bad this guy is. He goes into Iraq with this plan that, "I'm gonna push the Shiites in Iraq to Iran. I'm gonna, I'm gonna make them come to us for protection, for coverage essentially. We can ride in there." Because he, what does he want? He wants to exert their influence within Iraq. He doesn't want a strong Iraq. He doesn't want the US in there building a strong, stable Iraq. I mean, you go back to the Iran-Iraq War where Soleimani started his military career. And, you know, he's not, he, he, there's no way, uh, he's a true believer. There's no way he's ever gonna let Iraq become stable again. And he's insane enough that he kills thousands of Shiite, his own people, right, in order to push, um, the Shiite population in Iraq to Iran. I don't know if I'm, I'm, I'm may not-

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       So like fall-

   28. MBMike Baker5:15

       ... being, being eloquent enough, but-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:16

       ... is it false flag operations? Who's he blaming these bombings on?

   30. MBMike Baker5:18

       Yeah, well, it's not the Sunnis. It's the Sunnis are doing it.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

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   1. MBMike Baker15:00

      um, and then about 30 seconds later, not quite 30 seconds later, the second missile hits. Um, and there's another fireball, and the plane stays up in the air for, you know, a period of time just 'cause it's just, it's not devastated, but it's, it, it v- it was (sighs) some 20 miles from the airport-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      (laughs)

   3. MBMike Baker15:17

      ... but it actually kind of made a ... as if it was turning back to the airport probably right after that first missile hit. But here's the thing, uh, I mean, that was a, so that's a tragic disaster right there, right? But the idea that, you know, someone out of n-nobody, nobody's actually saying they did it on purpose. They didn't do it on purpose. They did it ... it was an accident. They mistook it for either an incoming missile, uh, or a hostile aircraft, you know, coming in for a bombing run after they launched their, uh, ballistic missile strike. So nobody's saying it was done on purpose. Um, but it's, uh, i- it's, it, uh, again, it's, it's indicative of the Revolutionary Guard force, um, and the regime itself that they spent several days denying it and saying it was a mechanical failure and pressuring the Ukrainians to come out and say it was a mechanical failure, which they then reversed course on that once it became obvious. Um, yeah, so, uh, it's a, a tragic situation. But now the protests out in the streets of Iran, which are a continuation of the past several months, right, which were targeted at a corrupt regime have picked up strength in, in light of that because the people are just, uh, you know, like, "We're, we're tired of this."

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      Yeah.

   5. MBMike Baker16:26

      You know? So ... and who knows where it's gonna go? I suspect, unfortunately, I'm fairly cynical about all this. We've been hoping the Iranian population would kind of rise up (sighs) for decades and it doesn't happen because it's a pretty brutal regime. We don't understand that. We don't understand how, how, how difficult they are, right, and how serious-minded they are about holding onto power. So every now and then, we think, "Okay, here come the protests. Oh, it's gonna topple the regime." Uh, it doesn't happen. So maybe it's different this time. I'd ... you know, I don't think so.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:56

      Mm. Now were you concerned at all, and this is one of the things when, when you say that we could go in there and, and level them in a day, (sniffing) the, the real issue is their allies, right? The real issue is China and Russia.

   7. MBMike Baker17:10

      Yeah, but they're not gonna do anything. China and Russia aren't gonna do anything. It's not in their best interest, and they, th- they ... if they're consistent about one thing, both those countries, it's that they act in their own best interest, and they would look at that and go, (clapping hands) "Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry." Um, I mean, look, the, uh, w- so what are we dealing with in, in that immediate area? Um, Iran's closest ally is Syria, right? Soleimani, Soleimani spent, you know, uh, billions of, uh, you know, uh, Iranian dollars, uh, money, um, that they couldn't afford to and that should've been spent on its population, um, arming, training, equipping, uh, and dealing with, um, the Syrian, uh, war and keeping his pal Assad in power. Um, so, uh, Iran and Assa- and, and Syria are, are tied together, but is Syria in a position to somehow rise up and, you know, engage the ... uh, this is not gonna be ... this wouldn't have been a, uh, a conflict as we imagine it, right? It wouldn't be a conflict of occupying space and ground and all the rest of it. Nobody wants it, nobody needs ... it's not, it's not good for anybody. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that, uh, in the scheme of things, um, w- you would have overwhelming, um ...

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:24

      Superiority.

   9. MBMike Baker18:24

      ... suppor- superiority, yeah. And, and yeah, I'd, I'd ...I can't imagine a scenario where Russia, you know, would come in. And we, in fact, we would probably, um, ask, you know, as anybody would, we would say, "Okay, look, the Russian military's in Syria. We're gonna liaise with you, gonna advise you, you know, shit's coming down." And, 'cause we, the last thing we wanna do is drag them into it by hitting some of their facilities or personnel, or whatever. So, there would be that level of coordination, which there always is, no matter who the parties are. There's always some element of coordination. But anyway, yeah, I, I, I don't see that happening. I, I think we've averted that. I hope we've averted sort of further military, uh, uh, you know, conflict. Uh, I think, again, I think the Iranian regime understands that it's a new day perhaps. That they'll, you know, come to the table eventually. That's what this whole maximum pressure campaign's about is to, again, create sufficient economic pressure, ensure that they understand the idea of deterrents, uh, which I think they do after this strike on Soleimani. Um, and that, that goes back a ways. This wasn't just like something that just, you know, they thought of after an American contractor was killed. The Iranian regime had been ratcheting up their aggressiveness and their attacks and their various, uh, operations out in that region for a quite a while. And we had been talking to them about it, or getting the signal to them that, "You've gotta stop this." And back in December, they were told, "If you continue this path, we are going to take serious action." And we did.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:54

       How difficult is it to get intelligence on what they're up to and, and what, what they're planning, what they're responsible for? Like, when, when you're here in America, I mean, uh, what, how do we do it? Like, what-

   11. MBMike Baker20:07

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:07

       Who's over there? Like, how do they do that? How do they find out exactly what these guys are up to?

   13. MBMike Baker20:12

       Well, a lot of it's, um, old school HUMINT, uh, human intelligence, right? So, through sources. Um, and a lot of that sourcing comes from our allies. So, whether it's the Israelis or the Jordanians or the Saudis, or whomever, right? Um-

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       So, they know someone who's on the inside, or like, how does it work?

   15. MBMike Baker20:28

       They've got a source, they've got some recruited asset. You know, Iran's always been a tough target for us, just like North Korea's a tough target. Um, and so we rely heavily on our liaison partners and, um, but oftentimes, no matter how good your signals intelligence is, right, no matter how good you are at, at, at, at gathering SIGINT or photo interpretation, um, of overhead imagery, it's still, to this day, no matter how good technology gets, you can't beat having an asset, having a human who's sitting in a meeting somewhere. And then for whatever their motivation is, whatever their, you know, reason for doing it, they're cooperating with you or our liaison partners, and they're saying like, "Here's what happened." Or, "Here's how that person looked." Right? Um, I mean, maybe you get signals intelligence because you're, you're picking up, you know, communications and then what do you got? You got something on a piece of paper and you're reading a transcript of a meeting. But if you've got somebody who's in that meeting and who can tell you what people looked like or what the actual atmosphere was, or the mood or the way that ... I mean, that's invaluable, right? And so we, we rely a great deal on that. But you basically, you hoover up everything you can from all the various different types of, of, uh, of intelligence capabilities. Um, but it's, it's a, it's a tough target. I mean, there's no doubt about it. Um, I mean, that's why this whole nuclear weapons program with Iran has always been so difficult, right? I mean, and you talk to people and they go, "Well, they've got about a, they've got about a 12-month breakout time before they'd have a, a nuclear weapon." And then other people say, "Well, I think they've got about a three-month breakout time." Well, when you're talking about how long it's gonna take them to have a nuclear weapon, you'd like to get that, that, those parameters a little closer together, right? So that you're not having to complete guess. But, uh, it's tough and, um, you know, we, we, we spend a lot of time working on that. But I, I, I would, would say that we have tremendous allies in that region. Um, and, you know, I know that people, it's fashionable nowadays to say, "Well, the Trump Administration, we've been, you know, pushing away our allies and they don't wanna work with us." And that, you know what? They do. And in part because again, it's the same old story.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       Yeah.

   17. MBMike Baker22:29

       It's in their best interest. Right? So ...

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       Is there any benefit to having, uh, someone like Trump who's very difficult to, to read? 'Cause he's what, you know, he's, he's the kind of guy like, when, when Baghdadi was killed, he said he died like a dog.

   19. MBMike Baker22:47

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:47

       Like, he, he says crazy shit and he-

   21. MBMike Baker22:49

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:49

       ... and he talks about like, with Iran that he was, that they might respond back with disproportionate results or with a disproportionate response in comparison to the, the initial attack if Iran attacked us.

   23. MBMike Baker23:01

       Yeah, or the cultural sites. The cultural sites, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:03

       Yeah. The 52 cultural sites.

   25. MBMike Baker23:05

       Cultural sites.

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:05

       But that was so crazy like, to, to represent the 52 people that were kidnapped in the fucking Carter Administration?

   27. MBMike Baker23:11

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:12

       What?

   29. MBMike Baker23:12

       Yeah, I mean, I, I, we don't really need to go with the symbolism, fellas. We could just-

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:16

       Just, just-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Well, I think people…

   1. MBMike Baker30:00

      we're left with this, this field of, uh, potential candidates on the Dem side. And, uh, I, I, I, I tend to agree. I think it's gonna be a, a, a landslide, unless there's, uh, some, uh, if the market tanks for whatever reason, because there's some international crisis somewhere and it sends things down through the floor, maybe. But if, if the economy stays the way it is, um, and the Dems seem to wander into their, you know, primary season as unorganized as they seem to be, I, you know, I, I could see him winning again big.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:33

      Well, I think people wanna look at him as being all bad. If ... But if, if what he's done and the moves that he's made are great for the economy, and, and thing- and things appear to be very good, right?

   3. MBMike Baker30:46

      Yeah. No, I, I think s- ... again, you can't ... but the problem is they can't separate that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:50

      Right, that's what I'm saying.

   5. MBMike Baker30:51

      You can't ... Yeah, you can't find a progressive who's gonna stop and go, "Well, you know, the economy is good."

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:54

      Yeah.

   7. MBMike Baker30:54

      Or if they say it, it's always followed by a "but," you know, "It's not-"

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:57

      Right.

   9. MBMike Baker30:57

      "... good for everybody." Well, it's never-

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Right.

   11. MBMike Baker30:59

       ... good for everybody.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       It's true, too.

   13. MBMike Baker31:00

       So-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Yeah. It isn't.

   15. MBMike Baker31:01

       Yeah. I mean, they want the economy to be the way it is, but they want Bernie Sanders' economic policies, you know? And so like, it's ...

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       ... it's interesting 'cause I, I think that someone who supports big business the way Trump does, he encourages people to, to move business forward. I mean, it, it encourages the market, encourages people to spend money. It encourages people to take risks if the, the more he makes it easier for these big businesses, also the more people get outraged but then the economy picks up. It's like, boy, there's a... I don't know what the correct way to do this is-

   17. MBMike Baker31:35

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       ... but there, even though I'm not a Trump fan, there are definite benefits to the way he has been running the country.

   19. MBMike Baker31:43

       Yeah. W- when you talk about the, uh, just the, sort of some of the basic metrics, you look at the unemployment rate, right? I mean, and, and I was just, I just, uh, finished a conversation the other day. I mean, Idaho, not to bring in Idaho, but Idaho's got the s- second strongest, uh, state economy in the nation, right? The unemployment rate is, is, is almost negligible. It's crazy how, how, you know, strong it is at this point.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:04

       Because there's solid people up there.

   21. MBMike Baker32:05

       Solid people. We all have ranches. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       (laughs)

   23. MBMike Baker32:08

       So... (laughs) That's the other thing.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       We all know how to fly fish.

   25. MBMike Baker32:09

       Exactly. Oh, fly fishing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:10

       Look, there's something to that though, the solid people.

   27. MBMike Baker32:13

       Yeah. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       I mean, Idaho is a fucking... there's real people up there.

   29. MBMike Baker32:17

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       You go up there, it's fucking cold as shit. There's wolves and bears.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      included. You know, you hear these horrible stories of alcoholism and poverty and... You know, it's just their, they live in these nations inside of a nation.

   2. MBMike Baker45:08

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      That's what's re- what's very strange and the only thing that really, you know, there's natural resources that can help them, but really gambling. Gambling becomes a big revenue source for a lot of them and then, and then-

   4. MBMike Baker45:20

      And then people are trying to game the system.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      ... everything gets corrupt. Yeah. Yeah.

   6. MBMike Baker45:21

      No pun intended, but people are gaming the system and saying, "Oh, I'm going to create this non-existent tribe." Right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:26

      Mm-hmm.

   8. MBMike Baker45:26

      You get that in Washington, DC is you can't swing a dead cat without hitting some lobbyist who's trying to push for designation of some obscure element as a tribe, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:34

      Mm-hmm.

   10. MBMike Baker45:34

       So that they can simply apply for a gaming license.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       Yeah.

   12. MBMike Baker45:37

       I think. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I, I don't know. I'm not sure how you, how you turn that around. There's the, uh, the Native American Indian Museum in DC, um, that opened a f- several years back. Um, it's very good. It's a little tough to follow. I, I, I will say this much, that in terms of just the way they've laid the museum out, right? And, but it's, it's just absolutely full to the ceiling of incredible stories and artifacts and, and history bits. But, uh, it's definitely worth people going to DC if they, if they're saying, "Okay, I'm going to go to the Smithsonian." Says you put that one on the list because it's, it's really fascinating. It's really good.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       Mm-hmm.

   14. MBMike Baker46:10

       Um, yeah, anyway. I don't know. But, uh, what else? Oh, I know what I wanted to, to... I was gonna bring up because I can't come on the show without talking about Huawei. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       Oh, so something going on with Huawei again?

   16. MBMike Baker46:22

       Uh, um, th- only in, on the periphery. Today, um, the Trump administration signed its first, uh, portion of a deal with China, and so it's a trade pact, right? There's been this trade battle, obviously, and I, I just, I just thought I was... Flying out here and I, I was thinking about it. It's interesting dynamic, right? Because, uh, you know, people talk about this current administration as not having any strategy, and sometimes it does seem frankly that way. But I was thinking the other day that it is, there is actually this, uh, uh, an interesting, um, split in terms of how they're dealing with China. So on the one hand, we've got this softening of the trade war, I'm gonna... They're gonna... As a result of signing what they signed today with China is sort of the first stage trade agreement. It's mostly involves, you know, uh, increased purchases by China of US goods. There's some talk about them scaling back (laughs) their theft of intellectual property. Uh...

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       Scaling back?

   18. MBMike Baker47:17

       Scaling back, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:18

       That's a whole area. (laughs)

   20. MBMike Baker47:19

       Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna do it-

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:20

       Maybe we won't steal so much.

   22. MBMike Baker47:23

       Yeah, we'll take a... You know, we're not gonna... It's not gonna stop stealing. But, um, but there's, there's that element to it. Um, but at the same time as they're doing this, and as a result of that, we're gonna have... We're gonna cut in half our, our, uh, tariffs on quite a bit of, of, uh, uh, a large amount of goods. And I think we're gonna drop the idea of imposing more tariffs on some other goods. But even while we're doing that, so that's happening, right? But as we're doing that, we're also ratcheting up, uh, pressure and some sanctions and some legislation against the technology side of things. So we're still coming down on, on Huawei. Um, Congress is trying to push through something that's going to make it even more difficult for US companies to do business with them overseas. But I think it's interesting, right? Because we're... You know, there's, there's some people I think in Washington who go, "Well, we can't do both." Well, of course you can do both, right? You can talk to the Chinese in, in real terms and say, "Yeah, let's, let's, you know, let's focus on the trade. Well, we're gonna do this, we're gonna make it a little bit easier. Let's, let's create a trade environment where it's good for both of us." At the same time, you know what? You're still, you know, stealing our shit and Huawei's still a national security threat. So we're still gonna focus on this. And, uh, you know, this is not saying I'm singing praises of this current administration. I'm just saying that any administration should be able to operate on different levels, right? When it comes to the same... But we don't, we, we haven't seemed to do that. It's like with Iran, you know. Well, okay, we're... You know, in the, in the past if they just gave some indication that they were gonna play ball with us, we'd ease up on the sanctions, right? Even though they hadn't done anything about their, their pursuit of terrorism and, and other things that they were doing. Because we felt like in Washington, I think sometimes DC is like, "Oh, you can't do two things at one time that seem to be conflicting." Well, the real world says, I think, that you can. So I think China gets it. Um, now I don't think they're gonna stop stealing shit.

   23. JRJoe Rogan49:09

       It seems to be how they operate.

   24. MBMike Baker49:11

       Yeah. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan49:12

       Especially when you consider the fact that the government is so inexorably connected to Huawei. Like, you, when you were explaining how big business and the government are hand in hand. They're not two separate entities. They work completely together.

   26. MBMike Baker49:26

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan49:27

       And so with Huawei, since they have been busted having third party access to data, and, and stealing packets and stuff with routers. Because they have done that, you gotta think, "Well, that's probably a part of the way they do business." They, they...

   28. MBMike Baker49:42

       Well, it's... It is. It's, it's, it's, it's in their system. I mean, they made a decision-... decades ago, right? This is how we're going to achieve superiority in the world, right? We're going to get to the top of the, of the food chain by skipping all the costs and, and, and pain of research and development. We're just gonna hoover up everything we can from not just sh- the US but everybody. So, you know, part of this, all this, this pushback against China has been specifically trying to say, "Look, you, you, you gotta stop that," right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan50:08

       Mm-hmm.

   30. MBMike Baker50:08

       "We understand it. We're calling you out on it. We're, we're doing..." Now, we've tried doing that a, a handful of times in the past in a half-hearted manner. This time, you know, I think the Chinese understand we're more serious about it, and we are trying to, to implement certain, um, measures that will, um, prevent some of that theft. But at the same time, I think it, it, as you said, it's part of how they do business, right? We're not gonna... So, I think we have to be pragmatic in all of this and think, "Yeah, we're, it's good that we're pushing them on it." It's good that we're telling them. It's good that we're trying to rebalance the trade environment, um, that we're calling out Huawei, that we're talking to our allies about not doing business with them, because all they, all they really want is they want an access point, right?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:09

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   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

   2. MBMike Baker1:00:00

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      ... probably, I'm probably off. But let's say out of the-

   4. MBMike Baker1:00:03

      Eh, you know, so 70 million that he can choose from.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      Let's say... Yeah.

   6. JVJamie Vernon1:00:05

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      Let's say it's 100 million.

   8. MBMike Baker1:00:06

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Let's get crazy. Let's say it's 100 million.

   10. MBMike Baker1:00:07

       That's quite the picture.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

       Out of those 100... Look at that one.

   12. JVJamie Vernon1:00:10

       Okay. (laughs)

   13. MBMike Baker1:00:10

       Let's leave that one out.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

       That's perfect.

   15. MBMike Baker1:00:11

       That's my favorite.

   16. JVJamie Vernon1:00:11

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

       Leave that one out. Out of those 100 million, 90 million of them would think he's disgusting.

   18. MBMike Baker1:00:17

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       90 million. So, 90 million women would be like, "What the fuck?"

   20. MBMike Baker1:00:21

       Ugh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

       Out of those 10 million, out of those 10 million that are left, five million would be like, "Meh, he's not that bad." And then one million would be like, "I'd fuck him right now."

   22. MBMike Baker1:00:33

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       And that's what you want.

   24. MBMike Baker1:00:34

       Think one million-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       So out of 100 million-

   26. MBMike Baker1:00:36

       ... one million would fuck him right now?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       Yes.

   28. JVJamie Vernon1:00:37

       Yeah, all-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       One million.

   30. JVJamie Vernon1:00:38

       ... they all live here.

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