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Three, two, one. Vancouver,…
- JRJoe Rogan
Three, two, one. Vancouver, April 20th, we're doing a 4/20 show. Cheeto Santino, Andrew Santino, Tony Hinchcliffe, and me at some big-ass arena. Go to joerogan.com. We're doing, uh, every year... Hi, Jimmy Norton.
- JNJim Norton
Hi, buddy.
- JRJoe Rogan
I do a 4/20 show. No headphones? You wanna do headphones or no headphones?
- JNJim Norton
I don't mind doing it-
- JRJoe Rogan
Casual?
- JNJim Norton
No, I don't, uh, I don't mind doing it.
- JRJoe Rogan
You do that weird thing with one in, one out.
- JNJim Norton
Well, I, well, I have to. I'm claustrophobic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- JNJim Norton
Yeah, it feels weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
You feel like the headphones are trapping you?
- JNJim Norton
I don't know. I, uh, I feel like I'm underwater. Like, I don't like the way that sounds, and now I know... Uh, that's better. I look like an asshole-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JNJim Norton
... but it, it feels better.
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot of people do that.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot of musicians do that, they'll do, like, one in, one out.
- JNJim Norton
It's the air, it's feeling the air. I don't know why. The pressure of the headphones, I just don't like it.
- JRJoe Rogan
I like to be trapped.
- JNJim Norton
You do?
- JRJoe Rogan
Trapped in the headphones.
- JNJim Norton
No, I don't care for it at all.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I like, uh, hearing the other person's voice right next to mine so I don't talk louder than they talk, we don't talk over each other.
- JNJim Norton
That's-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what it does.
- JNJim Norton
That's professional, but I can't... Like, Howard, I heard, would do it where like, uh, they wouldn't even look at each other. Like, I have to be in the room looking at the person's mouth. Like, I, I don't like to do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
You wouldn't look at each other? What do you mean?
- JNJim Norton
No, I mean, uh, the way they were set up for the cameras, sometimes you're facing both kinda the same way because of the cameras. They weren't always-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JNJim Norton
... I don't think face to face. If you looked at his old setup, wasn't, like, Artie sitting behind him at one point?
- 15:00 – 30:00
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- JNJim Norton
happy-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JNJim Norton
... I was there for that. I was happy I got to see that.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was so fun. That show, when it was in its prime, when it was in its peak, was so fun.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it was, it was a hang, and it really influenced, in a lot of ways, the way I do podcasts, because it's ... there's no structure. It's just hanging out-
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... with funny people and just talking about stuff.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
No structure.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah, just bullshitting. Wherever it goes-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JNJim Norton
... it goes. I mean, it'll always-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JNJim Norton
... go somewhere. I mean, you, you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- JNJim Norton
... got people k- having a conversation. It's always gonna flow somewhere.
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- JNJim Norton
Doesn't have to be controlled and regimented and, uh ... What do you wanna talk ... Is there anything worse when you go to a radio show? Like, w- w- like, what do you wanna...
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, dude. I've done radio shows where they tell you they want you to bring up certain subjects where you have jokes, you know? There's, uh, uh ... Not even that long ago, man, like, less than 10 years ago, I did one of those, uh, n- national radio shows in the Midwest-
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they asked me to do that. And I was like, "What?" And the p- the producer got upset. And I go, "I don't do that."
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I go, "I'm not gonna do that." And they're like, "We need subjects." Like, the guy was, like, pissy with me.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm like, "Oh."
- JNJim Norton
It's hard to do 'cause you feel embarrassed. It's like proc- ... You feel just, you feel dirty, like when someone's doing your bit and you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JNJim Norton
... you're doing it and they're, "Ah-ha!" They're fake laughing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Oh, it's the worst.
- 30:00 – 45:00
Yeah. …
- JNJim Norton
I mean, there had to be somebody who had to be getting fucked because there's no way all of us were that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JNJim Norton
... sexually active for no reason.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JNJim Norton
I just don't remember. I have too many memories.... like, uh, being in a basement and then not exactly remembering. I have weird memories possibly with adults. Like, it's, it's, it's kind of like watching a, a, you know, it fades in and out. It fades-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- JNJim Norton
And I wish my memory was better, but it's just not.
- JRJoe Rogan
No one's really is, you know? That's the weird thing about memories when it comes to being, you know, a young person. No one's memories are very good. You have, like, flashes. I have, like, some things that I definitely remember, but, like, 'cause they're like facts. Like, when I was seven, we drove across the country, you know? I remember those.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I remember we got in an accident on Lombard Street in San Francisco, you know, that's like the crookedest street in the world.
- JNJim Norton
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I remember that, 'cause I remember someone tried to pass us and I remember I scratched the car. I remember that. But, like, there's little tiny things, like sometimes I'll talk to my sister or I'll talk to my mom. She's like, "Do you remember that thing?" Then all of a sudden it's like I open up a folder, like, "Oh, yeah, I remember that guy. Whatever happened to him?" You know? Like, that guy didn't exist in my brain until a couple seconds ago.
- JNJim Norton
That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then I'm like, "Oh, look at this old folder. Let's open up my old memory of that fella."
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- JNJim Norton
Sometimes those are scary, though. And like I'm inno- I, I, I many times drive back to that area 'cause it's in Edison. And I'll drive back when I'm doing the Stress Factory or a gig, and I'll just, I'll drive through that neighborhood and I'll be like, "What the fuck happened here?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JNJim Norton
Something happened here. And it might not just be one moment, but something happened here that kinda shifted me because I don't know exactly what it is. Uh, and Dr. Drew told me I was molest- ... I mean, uh, maybe he's right. I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, i- at the very least you were sexually involved with someone else who might've been molested.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah, well, I mean, without a-
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- JNJim Norton
... the, the, the odds are it had to be one of them.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was another thing that came up in this article that I was saying that the origins of homosexuali- ... uh, that's one of the things they were saying, that I was homophobic 'cause the origins of sexuality, homosexuality is them, people being molested when they're younger. That is not what I said. And let me explain that to people if you're gay, if you read that, you feel bad. That can happen to people who would not be inclined towards homosexuality if they're molested when they're younger. (clears throat) Dr. Chris Ryan, the guy who wrote Sex at Dawn, was explaining it to me, is that there's a, um, uh, you, you pa- ... like, what is the, the term? Um, n- not necessarily pattering. Imprinting, that y- when you're sexually active, like if someone's sexual with you when you're young and that person happens to be a man, you can imprint and you can develop sexual feelings in response to that. Like, you get, y- your, your brain triggers sexual feelings towards men where you might not be inclined. So, like, even if you're not actually homosexual, you're still turned on by men in a certain way-
- JNJim Norton
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because you were molested. It's one of the reasons why they say, but they don't really know, why people who get molested wind up molesting people, but it's really common.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like, uh, you know, somebody described it best, like it's almost like a vampire bites you and this thing, like, you're passing it on to the next person, this, this creepy thing. But that, you know, the, this is another thing where people took out of context saying that, you know, I'm homophobic, that-
- JNJim Norton
Well, for me, it was all kids in my age group that I remember. I, I have vague adult memories, but not anything concrete that I can say was sexually ... like, you know what I mean? Like, it just kind of, it's, it's like a smoke that comes by and it leaves, and that's kinda how those memories are. But with the, with the kids, they were all kids in my age within a year or two of each other, so it wasn't like ... I, I, that's why I don't like being a victim, so I feel like, you know, I j- I volunteered, man. I showed up. There was a lot of times I wanted to play the game and ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you were five, you know? I mean, uh, I have so few memories when I was five. I mean, I bet you probably don't know why you were doing or what, what happened before that that started it and caused it. I bet the person who you were doing it with, you know, may ... you know, when people get molested when they're really young, one of the big issues is they block it out, man.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
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- JNJim Norton
in the middle of their grief-
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs)
- JNJim Norton
... and they're like, "Hey, fuck you, pal." Like, people are angry.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah.
- JNJim Norton
But then it gets to a point where those, that day has passed and then there are people who just wanna hurt you for it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JNJim Norton
There's people who just wanna punish you. There's people who just wanna see you suffer. So like, how do you tell all the time who's just reacting to something you said? 'Cause as a comedian, I say public things. People who are in the public with me have the right to say something.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yeah. Well, I think what Ari did, you have to come up with a new word, 'cause I don't d- think dumb is good enough. We need a better word. It's, it was so stupid. But it's also what you said earlier, that you gotta keep ramping it up.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You do think, like we were talking about earlier? Was that before the podcast? I think it was.
- JNJim Norton
Uh, before Adan, I think, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What the, the thing is, when you do outrageous things just to get people to, like, "Oh, look at... Jimmy's crazy. Look at the c-" You gotta, you get caught in a trap and you keep doing it more and more outrageous. And with Ari, he's always done this thing where when people die (clears throat) he would make the meanest comment, even about someone he loved, like Tom Petty. He said some horrible shit about Tom Petty and Aretha Franklin and all these different people that died. But he just did it for shock value.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you gotta keep upping that every time. Like, e- every time someone dies, people, like his sicko fans (laughs) would go straight to Ari and want Ari to comment on it.
- JNJim Norton
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, you know, it's a trap, man. That's a, that's a terrible tra- And you, you see guys lean into those things, right? Like, it becomes a part of their persona, it becomes a part of their identity.
- JNJim Norton
Well, the trap is also when you... If there's something you don't wanna say or if you're like, "Nah, that's too fucked up to say, but if I don't say it, they're gonna think that I'm selling out or I'm not the same performer."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JNJim Norton
Like, you have to be willing to, uh, disappoint people that wanna hear that too if you're gonna survive in that kind of a, i- in doing that stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I don't know how, what's gonna happen with Ari, like how he's gonna get through this. But in some ways, and I never wanna say it is a good thing that he did that, but he needed to know that there are consequences for just, just saying ridiculous shit that you're not supposed to say when people die. You know? And he's a... The thing, the really fucked up thing about Ari is he's a really good guy but in his persona sometimes, he's a heel. And he does it on purpose.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? And so, like, you see that video and he's an- you know, he's like smiling and laughing 'cause Kobe Bryant's dead. That's his heel persona.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he thinks he's playing it up like, "Oh, this is gonna be great. People are gonna be so mad." But he had no idea. He had no idea.
- JNJim Norton
He misjudged, uh, the country's grief.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- JNJim Norton
And obviously I think there's, he didn't know who else was on the helicopter.
- JRJoe Rogan
He didn't know who else was on.
- JNJim Norton
I believed his explanation. When I read his explanation, I believed it. Like, I don't... When I first saw it, I didn't know if he was serious or not. I mean, I know what he does, but I just saw that clip, I'm like, "Maybe he hated him." I didn't-
- JRJoe Rogan
He didn't.
- 1:00:00 – 1:01:58
Yeah. …
- JRJoe Rogan
these stupid things and I'm on stage and I'm bombing. And I remember, like, looking down at the way I was dressed, and I had a button-up shirt. And I was, I followed Jim Brewer. It's, it was, uh, a pivotal moment in my career, 'cause I, I bombed so hard. I, I really, like, tightened up my act after that and really got to work, 'cause it was the most painful bombing I'd ever had.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I'm standing there with Cavariccis on, with a nice shirt, like, a dress shirt, like I'm going to the club.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah. Dressed like an entertainer.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, dickhead. What a dickhead. And then I'm looking down at these fucking terrible pants. And those pants were the shit for, like, two years or three years.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then everybody was like, "What the fuck are we wearing?" And they just went away.
- JNJim Norton
Wasn't there, uh, there was, like, a members only jacket with it, or, or, like, Capezio shoes?
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- JNJim Norton
Do you remember Capezio shoes were very big?
- JRJoe Rogan
I do, but I don't, I can't picture them in my head.Jamie, pull up Capezio shoes. (laughs)
- JNJim Norton
Yeah, I remember them from, uh, I, I wanna say early '90s or late, might have been late '80s. But I remember, uh, a guy I knew, a, a sober guy I knew, we were, we used, I used to go to these sober dances, which were very fucking depressing. Like, I would do that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JNJim Norton
... when I was 18 and 19-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JNJim Norton
... just to go try to meet girls. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
And they're sober too.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they're all suspicious of you, "You just wanna fuck me, I know what's going on here."
- JNJim Norton
No, I would just kinda stand there, just kinda stand there in the back.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a Capezio?
- NANarrator
I don't know.
- JNJim Norton
No, that's not what... The, the black one may be, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
What are those things?
- JNJim Norton
Oh yeah, there you go. That's kinda, they're like bowling shoes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JNJim Norton
In the '80s.
- JRJoe Rogan
That with Cavariccis, yes.
- JNJim Norton
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh, like you're a ballet dancer.
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