Joe Rogan Experience #1455 - Lex Fridman

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Hello, Lex. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Hello, Lex.

   2. LFLex Fridman0:02

      (laughs) You might be wondering why... what I'm wearing on my face.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Uh, I'm not wondering.

   4. LFLex Fridman0:08

      No?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      No. It's coronavirus time. Everybody out there is wearing a mask, so I'm assuming that's what you're wearing on your face.

   6. LFLex Fridman0:13

      Yeah, so this is a homemade mask. Takes 30 seconds to make.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      30 seconds? Did you time yourself?

   8. LFLex Fridman0:19

      I don't know. Yeah-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      If you have a bra, can you, like, cut a cup and, like, a strap tie it on? That would work, right?

   10. LFLex Fridman0:25

       But there's no... Yes, probably, but it probab-... There... As far as I'm aware, there's no scientific study of how effective bras are at filtering.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       How effective is that thing?

   12. LFLex Fridman0:36

       So there i-... It's... I'm glad you asked, Joe.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       (laughs)

   14. LFLex Fridman0:38

       So, I'm, um, uh, part of this... And I'll take this off in a few minutes. I just want to... One, I wanna talk about some of the science, and two, I wanna remove some of the stigma that's around masks. So, I'm part of this group of scientists that, uh, have put together a survey paper showing that masks work. And it started as a movement called Masks4All, hashtag, uh, in, uh, the Czech Republic, that essentially one of the critical components of s- stopping the spread of coronavirus is everybody has to wear masks. And the science is twofold, so... I mean, uh, I need to break this apart, but...

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       You're gonna take the mask off eventually, right?

   16. LFLex Fridman1:26

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       So let's just take it off now-

   18. LFLex Fridman1:28

       If you'll just-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       ... so I can hear you 'cause y-

   20. LFLex Fridman1:31

       There's an audio? Is... You can't hear that?

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       Oh, that's so much better.

   22. LFLex Fridman1:34

       Oh, yeah. Nice. So-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       It's like taking a condom off.

   24. LFLex Fridman1:37

       (laughs) The before and after. So you probably shouldn't be wearing a mask when you're doing podcasts.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Definitely not.

   26. LFLex Fridman1:43

       But everywhere else, yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       So when you're going out to the grocery store, you should wear a mask everywhere.

   28. LFLex Fridman1:47

       Everywhere, and that's... Okay, so some, some questions. Do homemade masks work? So there's, uh, currently a shortage of s-... N95 respirator masks, which should be exclusively used as PPE, personal protective equipment, by healthcare workers. Okay. There's also a shortage of surgical masks, which are these non-woven fabric masks that work very well for the thing I'm talking about. But because there's a shortage of them, we should not be buying them and should be saving them for healthcare workers. And then the open question was whether homemade masks, like the one I just described, uh, work to stop as a filtration mechanism. This is the confusing thing for the individual-centric society that we live in. Masks are the most... W- what are they actually effective for? What they're effective for is to prevent me, if I'm infected, asymptomatic, s- from spreading the infection to you. So that's where the movement of Masks4All started, which is your mask protects me, my mask protects you. And th- the idea there is, is, is not... I'm not protecting... I'm not creating a wall from the rest of society. I am contributing to the, sort of the bigger aggregate picture of it by n- uh, not allowing the infection to spread. So it... Masks is, uh... Masks allow you to reduce that transmission rate to one, to below one, so allowing you to decrease the transmission rate while also allowing people to be in public. So like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       How much have, have, y- how much have you been studying this disease and, uh, the, the potential remedies and all, all the different things around it?

   30. LFLex Fridman3:34

       A lot. (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. And- and- and…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      devastating for children.

   2. LFLex Fridman15:02

      Yeah. And- and- and to think, so both sides of it, one, children getting sick, and two, parents getting sick and thereby not being able to take care of their children.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Yeah. That's a good point.

   4. LFLex Fridman15:12

      Yeah. So the- the- that's a- and that- that can spread. That's- we're so sensitive now in terms of just on the verge of- of giving into the fear on a mass scale.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Absolutely.

   6. LFLex Fridman15:24

      And that's where information and sort of insp- inspiring words and the silly old word love is important, like community and compassion and so on to sort of fight that fear.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      The silly old word love? Silly old word? Is it a silly old word? You're so Russian.

   8. LFLex Fridman15:42

      It's both old and silly.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:43

      Russian John Wick says, "Silly old word love." (laughs)

   10. LFLex Fridman15:47

       Yeah. That's- there you go. That's a clickbait t- title for The Joe Rogan Experience. No, I- I just mean that, um, there is a danger here of people beginning to panic when, uh, when the economic impact hits. So there's, um, uh, 13% unemployment, I believe, uh, in the United States. So, uh, the- the Great Depression was 23%. So we have something like that. We're c- we're starting to creep towards that number, so that's 16 million people out of a job currently and that's-

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Well, I don't think we have any idea. When- the economics right now, we're- we're in limbo. We really are in limbo because how many businesses are gonna close because of this? How many people don't know that they're unemployed but are? How many businesses are barely hanging on and they might not make it to the end of the year? And if the economy takes a downturn because of all these people out of job, how many businesses that were barely hanging on before and they're still open now are gonna be gone in a couple of weeks?

   12. LFLex Fridman16:45

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       We really don't know and there's- the- I mean, how long do you think it's gonna take before businesses are up and running again? I know Wuhan is back up in business again, but there's a lot of criticism about that and they're- they're also saying they're seeing new cases.

   14. LFLex Fridman16:59

       I think the ques- I think it can be sooner than we think if we do the following things. So one, I'd hate to linger on this and I'd love to talk to you about-

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       You gonna talk about masks again?

   16. LFLex Fridman17:12

       Ah. Well-

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Okay.

   18. LFLex Fridman17:13

       ... it- it's funny, but you're- you're- I- I know for a fact you're gonna make fun of me just like I'll make fun of you right back for, uh, loving fanny packs.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       (laughs)

   20. LFLex Fridman17:23

       But just like fanny packs are exceptionally functional to carry all the things you need, masks, uh, will be- will- masks are required-

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Yes.

   22. LFLex Fridman17:31

       ... to slow the spread of this infection.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       All right, listen, I'm not an anti-mask person.

   24. LFLex Fridman17:35

       And with like, one of the things you have to do is you have to start getting governors, so politicians to wear them, uh, our president, Trump, to wear them.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:44

       Well, this is the Boris Johnson question, right? Because that guy, not only was he not wearing a mask, but he was shaking hands and he was talking about it pretty openly and now he's in intensive care. If he dies, that will be the biggest wake-up call for everyone.

   26. LFLex Fridman17:59

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:59

       I mean, I hope he doesn't die, but goddamn, people are so mean over there. I don't know h- his policies. I don't know- I don't- I haven't been to England in a long time. I don't know how they feel about him, but fuck, people, some people hate him. The shit that I've-

   28. LFLex Fridman18:12

       Oh, like saying things like, "They w-"

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:14

       They're hoping he dies. They hope he suffers and dies. I've- I've read the- Twitter, Andrew Doyle, um, Andrew Boyle rather, um...... uh, the guy who wrote Woke.

   30. LFLex Fridman18:26

       Titian McGrath.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Like, uh, shortly after.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

   2. LFLex Fridman30:00

      Like, uh, shortly after.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Get the fuck outta here.

   4. LFLex Fridman30:02

      I'm pretty sure. I re-t- we, uh, uh, a retweeter tweeted. I'm not sure.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      That's hilarious.

   6. LFLex Fridman30:07

      Yeah.

   7. GUGuest30:07

      Sure?

   8. LFLex Fridman30:08

      I'm, uh ...

   9. GUGuest30:09

      Could've been one of those fakey Donald Trump accounts. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:12

       (laughs)

   11. LFLex Fridman30:12

       No, I'm pretty sure.

   12. GUGuest30:13

       It looks, it looks deceiving.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       Maybe it was Trump Jr.?

   14. LFLex Fridman30:14

       I, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       Was it Donald Jr.?

   16. LFLex Fridman30:15

       I have a programmatic way of following Twitter and I follow Trump.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       Okay. Either way, I just want everybody to know, this is ... All I'm saying is I think the Democrats are making a horrible mistake by putting in a g- he just had a, another huge stumble yesterday.... the man is ill. I wish him no, no ill will. I'm not a, I'm not a, a Biden hater.

   18. LFLex Fridman30:35

       What do you think, um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       I just think it's wrong to take a guy that you clearly can tell is struggling, he, he's an older guy who's got some sort of a mental breakdown issue. He's, he, he's got what appears to be, according to some experts who have analyzed what he's doing, it- it's some form of dementia. He has a problem maintaining conversations.

   20. LFLex Fridman30:57

       And it's gotten worse over time, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's all I'm saying, folks. Just, and also, you, I'm a fucking comedian/cage fighting commentator. You don't need to come to me for that. What is this? Donald J. Trump retweeted. (laughs)

   22. LFLex Fridman31:13

       (laughs) I didn't see that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       (mimics crying)

   24. LFLex Fridman31:17

       (laughs) S- (laughs) with an American flag in the background?

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       He did it. (singing)

   26. LFLex Fridman31:21

       With that beautiful hair of Eric Weinstein.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       This is what, again, this is what I said. This is what I said. You shouldn't have that guy. I would vote for any of the other ones, any of them. Br- bring them back. Amy Klobuchar, bring her back. I'd vote for her before I'd vote for, for Biden. Br- I'd vote for Buttigieg. I'd, I'd for sure vote for Tulsi. I love Tulsi Gabbard.

   28. LFLex Fridman31:41

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       I'd for sure vote for Bernie.

   30. LFLex Fridman31:42

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      "Kung Flu." So she said that. And he goes, "Who said that?" She didn't ha- she didn't know who. He was like, "Someone said it? Like, you heard someone said it? Like, is this really your question? Like, is this really what- what's, what we're worried about, is a joke someone might have made in the middle of a horrendous crisis, that they call it the Kung Flu? Oh, Jesus, let's stop the presses." First of all, kung fu is awesome, okay? There's nothing wrong with Kung Flu.

   2. LFLex Fridman45:23

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      Is there anything wrong with saying that? I mean, look, the flu, like, it's not a flu, it's a virus. It's horrible th- that, that it's- it's devastating all these people. But is it more horrible if you call it Kung Flu? Is it so much more horrible that we have to ... I mean, is it that racist?

   4. LFLex Fridman45:39

      Well, I, to me, that's a beautiful moment to say, "Let's put our shallow-"

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:44

      Put this bullshit aside.

   6. LFLex Fridman45:44

      "Let's put this bullshit aside." Unfortunately, he alwa- he was almost there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:49

      Yeah.

   8. LFLex Fridman45:49

      And instead, he made it more like about himself and just didn't ... 'Cause there's so much opportunity-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:53

      Well, with that conversation with that lady, I don't think he did. I think that conversation with that lady, he was like, "Who said this?" You know, and then this-

   10. LFLex Fridman45:59

       But that lady represents a large percent of the population full of ridiculous ideas such as that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       Yeah.

   12. LFLex Fridman46:05

       And he gets a chance to speak to the, like inspire that part of the population and say, "Let's put this social justice warrior s- stuff aside-"

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   14. LFLex Fridman46:14

       "... for a brief moment as we fight a thing that threatens the economic well-being of our nation."

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       Well, you hear very little about transgender people using restrooms right now. You know, you know, you know, there's a lot of things that you don't hear about. You don't, you don't, you don't hear about gender pronouns and a lot of stuff that was so supposedly important just a small amount of time ago and it's not to diminish the rights and the- the- the values of transgender people. It's just to say, I think a lot of what people were complaining about and the- the reasons why people were up in arms about things, it's not just because we have real issues with discrimination, but more so that we don't have real problems. So, we look to amplify problems that might not be nearly as big as we- as they are, or as we would like to think they are. You know, I mean, when we're dealing with something that's a real life-threatening, a real huge issue, no one gives a fuck about your gender pronouns. You know, no one gives a fuck if you're a they/them person. Are you they/them? Okay, congratulations. I don't know what to tell you. But we're in the middle of something that is a new disease, it's killing people, and some people, it's not killing them at all and they're spreading it around and it's weird. So, we don't have time for nonsense and we're, in a lot of ways, because society is so ... I wanna say this in the best way possible. This is the greatest time ever to be alive, even now, even now with all this craziness. If you compare the world today with the way we're connected to each other, yeah, there's problems. There's always gonna be problems. We're a bunch of f- fucking weird territorial monkeys living on a planet, you know? There's- there's gonna be problems. We're sorting through all these different things now and there's varying levels of economic disparity, physical disparity, mental disparity. There's- there's just so much, so much difference between all of us. There's no s- no chance for complete total harmony. It's not going to exist with these territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons. It's not gonna exist. You know? What's one of the first things that people did when- when all this happened? They went out and hoarded toilet paper and bought guns, okay? That should let you know (laughs) this is what people are all about. The- the- when the shit hits the fan, they want guns and they wanna be able to wipe their ass. And this is what people panicked about. W- w- this is still one of the best times ever to be alive and the- the thing that gives me hope is the way I feel in my community and the way I feel with my friends. I've had so many friends reach out and just say, "Are you okay? How's everything? If you need anything, I'm here." That's beautiful. I love that. I love this feeling of community that we have, real community. It's this like, especially in the stand-up comedy world-... there's an incredible sense of community right now. People are reaching out to help people, people are donating to people, people are sending people money, people are really cr- they're, they're checking in on each other. And it's like, we're appreciating each other. We're appreciating each other in a, in a way that I th- I think, I think is beautiful. And I, I, it's makes me sad that it kinda has to coincide with a tragedy sometimes, but we're humans. Sometimes we need a wake-up call. We need a, we need a little something that lets us know, "Hey, you know, this is a temporary situation." This life, in general, everything about it is temporary. We are finite life forms on a finite planet that's heated by a finite star, so none of this is gonna last. It's gonna last for a long time, but it's not gonna last. D- enjoy this, enjoy this. And let's, let's, let's enforce and let's encourage good values, healthy values, community values. We can get through this and be a better country. I really believe this. I really believe this. I think the survivors of this can get through this as long as we can retain these lessons. It's so easy once some- something happens and then that thing normalizes and we get back to "regular life," it's so easy to forget the lessons. But if we can reinforce those, we can remind ourselves of this and we can have these moments, you know, like so many cultures do when they have these religious ceremonies. You know, uh, I was talking to Eric Weinstein, we was talking about Jews and they were talk-... What was the fucking ... Was it Passover? Yes, Passover. And he was talking about how they tell the story every year and the reason why they tell the story every year is to remind everybody, to remind people that you're here because others went through some horrendous shit. And let's, let's, let's thank them, let's praise them, and let's remind ourselves we're very, very fortunate. And remind ourselves that we're a community.

   16. LFLex Fridman50:40

       And the scale of WWII did that from, from where I came from in Russia. That's where, that's why I have my guitar here. Uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan50:49

       You wanna play a song?

   18. LFLex Fridman50:49

       ... well, maybe if I-

   19. JRJoe Rogan50:50

       How about right now?

   20. LFLex Fridman50:51

       Okay, well, (laughs) okay.

   21. JRJoe Rogan50:53

       I'll spark up a joint, I wanna hear this.

   22. LFLex Fridman50:57

       But the reason I actually messaged Jamie and asked, "Do you think it's okay if I play," uh, "play a song on Jerry and say-"

   23. JRJoe Rogan51:05

       Come on, man. Your poem that you read last time was the shit.

   24. LFLex Fridman51:08

       Well, but I, I messaged him without having a song. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan51:12

       You didn't have a song?

   26. LFLex Fridman51:13

       No, no. I was just, I was thinking about, so I've been reading a lot about WWII recently, before the coronavirus. And then I found out, I learned about my grandfather who was, uh, age 17, which actually tells you a lot. You have to be 18 to be in the army. And he sort of faked his doc-... Uh, that was, that was what everybody did. Young kids wanted to, to fight for their country. It's a interesting kinda story. You're not, they, they weren't dr- they weren't dodging the draft.

   27. JRJoe Rogan51:40

       Hmm.

   28. LFLex Fridman51:40

       They, everybody wanted to, to fight for their country and die for th-... At that stage, in 1941, when Germany invaded the, the Soviet Union, the order from Stalin was that if you get captured, you have to kill yourself.

   29. JRJoe Rogan51:57

       Whoa.

   30. LFLex Fridman51:57

       So there's no surrender. So you have to, I mean, that's the spirit that you're fighting with. And so the only way out is, uh, i- if you're a soldier, is death or severe injury. And in terms of being lucky, I've been thinking about my grandfather a lot, who was severely injured. He was on a machine gun, he fought actually alongside, uh, um, Mikhail Kalashnikov, AK-47 inventor.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah, but- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      me learning how to play guitar, being a Hendrix fan, trying to be as good as Hendrix, or trying to mimic, like, what he did, that's too much. There's too... That's too far. I'm like, you're walking to the sun. Like, that's too far. You're never gonna get there. There's no... That's, that's... You know how much time... That's how I look at it.

   2. LFLex Fridman1:00:16

      Yeah, but-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      I look at it like it's an impossible time hog.

   4. LFLex Fridman1:00:19

      Well, let's see if you can comment on this, because for me, because people ask me about guitar, like, "How the hell do you..." Because I do, like, you know, I'm a scientist that's doing AI stuff, like, how do you have time for the guitar? And, uh, the way I've learned guitar... And I won't show off the things I can do today (laughs) , I'll just show off my terrible voice, is to practice every day for, I would say, about five years, to practice for like 30 minutes a day.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

      Hmm.

   6. LFLex Fridman1:00:44

      So you just have to... You, you, you shouldn't look... I mean, you know this.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

      Yeah.

   8. LFLex Fridman1:00:48

      You shouldn't, you shouldn't look how far to go to learn Hendrix.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

      Right.

   10. LFLex Fridman1:00:52

       Because Hendrix particularly is exceptionally easy scales and chords. You can learn in a day everything he uses.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       Hmm.

   12. LFLex Fridman1:00:59

       And then just slowly practice.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       Yeah.

   14. LFLex Fridman1:01:02

       'Cause he uses a basic blue scale. He's, he's a, he's a basic blues musician. And-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       How dare you.

   16. GUGuest1:01:07

       Mm-hmm.

   17. LFLex Fridman1:01:08

       (laughs) Well...

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       (laughs)

   19. LFLex Fridman1:01:11

       It, well, i- it's like, uh, a lot of comedians are basic comedians, but they master the timing. It's like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Yeah, I don't, I think fundamentals is a word that doesn't offend people that means the same thing.

   21. LFLex Fridman1:01:21

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       Uh, in, in jujitsu, you're a jujitsu black belt-

   23. LFLex Fridman1:01:23

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       ... you understand, um, that's a s- a thing that for whatever reason is ... It's bothered so many people that Rani Magalhaes was talking about, um, Minotauro. They were on the, The, uh, Ultimate Fighter together when, um, Minotauro was one of the coaches and Rani Magalhaes was working with someone else, and he was saying that Nogueira, who's ... Minotauro Nogueira, who's an, a legend, I mean, just a fucking legend. When he was in his prime, man, he's one of my all-time favorite fighters ever. His fight with Bob Sapp was probably one of the most legendary fights in all of mixed martial arts and one of the best examples of technique over brawn. I mean, he, and he's an un- unbelievably tough guy. S- uh, Minotauro was just an all-time great. But Magalhaes, who's a legit world champion, Rani Magalhaes was talking about Minotauro's jujitsu game, and he said it's very basic. But Minotauro got offended by that and was really upset at him. But he's, he tried to say, like, "I didn't ..." And I've talked to him about it personally, he's like, "I didn't mean it in a bad way. He took it in a bad way, but I was just saying it's the basics." It's like he does arm bars, triangles, rear naked chokes, guillotines, but it's, like, razor sharp. Roger Gracie's a great example of that. Um, Kron, Kron Gracie is a great example of that. Fundamentals just sharpened to a fucking razor's edge where they just have the perfect guard pass, but standard guard passes, right? The perfect rear naked choke, the perfect triangle choke. They just know those fundamentals that you get taught when you're a blue belt and, but they have them down to just the most refined way possible. So that's, that's basics in jujitsu. It gets discussed like that. And some people, for whatever reason, they get sensitive about it.

   25. LFLex Fridman1:03:07

       And even the modern guys, even Gordon Ryan, uh, and, uh, all the Danaher death squad people, they have actually very fundamental jujitsu.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:15

       Oh, the, unquestionably. They have, they have those techniques for sure. The difference between the Danaher people is ... There's two differences. One, they have a phenomenally dedicated group of people that have come out of Renzo's because Renzo is an amazing guy and he fostered an incredible sense of community. Also, his legacy. I mean, Renzo's Renzo Gracie, he's o- he's a legend, right? And he comes from the most famous family in the history of martial arts, and he is easily one of the nicest and friendliest ones of those, that, that incredible family. So he's got this gym that's just filled with all these people that are, first of all, honored to be there to train with a legend in a legend's school, and two, they all have this incredible sense of community because of Renzo and because of the people that Renzo has taught there. And then you have Danaher, who's this wizard, this New Zealand fucking psychopathic (laughs) genius character.

   27. LFLex Fridman1:04:13

       Wears a rash guard.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:14

       He's awesome.

   29. LFLex Fridman1:04:14

       He finds the system behind everything, which is am- amazing. I mean, listening to him talk, he's a modern day philosopher warrior.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:04:20

       He, he's a different thing, man. He's a different thing. Danaher's a different thing. And he's a, he's a, uh, mean genius, you know, and he breaks jujitsu down. When I say mean genius, only compliments, only compliments, I'm saying. I mean, he's like, he kn- you know, knows how to teach you how to fuck (laughs) people up, man. And he does it in, like, an incredibly scientific, systematic way. The way he, he makes his system and how these guys can progress from being a beginner to just a few years later being able to tap really high level black belts is sensational.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:18:16

   It is, it is…

   1. LFLex Fridman1:15:00

      to you. I guess that doesn't have to be family.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:01

      It is, it is that, but there's something different, um, on top of that. That's, um, my friend, Ray. Ray, uh, who, who goes by ... What does he go ... Raganov? How do you say it?

   3. LFLex Fridman1:15:13

      That was it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:14

      Ray. His name's Ray Capo. Uh, he said something to me once when he was really, when we were both really young. About, like, more than, more than 10 years ago. More than ... Probably like, when I was training with him, probably 2013. Like, 15, 16 years ago. Some how ... Maybe even 17 years ago. Somewhere around that range. But we were younger and he was talking about, uh, children and having children, and that for him, it was, there was part of it that was for his own personal edification. Like, he thought of children as being important for his own, like, growth as a human. And, you know, Ray's a deeply spiritual guy, he's a yoga teacher and he's like ... A- and I never thought of it that way. I was like, "You look at it, like, for your own ..." And I'm like, um, "Okay." And I think, as a man, and, and raising these little girls and seeing these daughters grow up, in ... For, for sure I've learned a lot about human beings. Um, but also I'd learned a lot myself about my perception of humans. Of babies to people. And I've talk- I talked about this on stage briefly, but it's too weird to sort of articulate in a joke. I u- I used to always think of people as being a static thing. Like, I'd see a guy and he's a 55-year-old, you know, truck driver, and I would think, "That guy has always been that guy." And now I go, "Oh, you used to be a baby." Like, I knew. Like, if you asked me, "Hey, was this guy ever a baby?" I would say, "Well, of course he was a baby." But I had never intellectualized it. I had never looked at it. And it instantly gave me so much more compassion and so much more, like, uh, acceptance of people. Like, a relaxed acceptance. Like, a forgiveness of a lot of stupid shit that people do and, and have done. I- I- I, I almost immediately, in raising kids, shifted that and thought, "Oh, you guys just got fucked over." (slams table) (sighs) You meet an asshole, you're like, "Oh, your dad was probably a piece of shit and you probably grew up in a terrible neighborhood, and you're probably, you know, ruined by your older brothers who were assholes. And maybe you lived in a neighborhood where kids were stealing from you and beating you up. Fuck." Like, that's how you get to be this guy. You don't get to be this guy because you just choose to be a piece of shit, you know? That's not what happens to people. You, you become something from your circumstances, your genetics. There's so much involved in who you are and we ... I don't think there's any... There's not much value in being mad at someone for who they are, you know? You could kinda be mad at the impact that it has on your life, their stupidity, and, and w- we're all, you know, justified in doing that. But I think one of the things about having children of your own is you realize when you see someone who's a mess, like, "Okay, I kinda, I kinda see. I understand how that can happen now." It was before, I would just be mad that it's there.

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