Joe Rogan Experience #1467 - Jack Carr

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   And we're live. Hey,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      And we're live. Hey, what's up? How are you?

   2. JCJack Carr0:03

      Oh, hey. Thanks for having me on.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      My pleasure.

   4. JCJack Carr0:05

      This is awesome.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      My pleasure. Good to see you again. And good to-

   6. JCJack Carr0:07

      Good to see you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      You know, when we first met, uh, I knew you were an author and I knew that Chris Pratt was involved in doing that thing with you, and that you guys were working towards making a se- which is happening now.

   8. JCJack Carr0:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Which is very exciting.

   10. JCJack Carr0:17

       Crazy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       But, uh, I'd never read any of your work until now. So, getting ready for this, I actually listened to the audiobook, which is really well done. The guy who reads it, what is his name?

   12. JCJack Carr0:27

       Ray Porter.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       He's fucking great.

   14. JCJack Carr0:29

       Yeah. He's awesome.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       He's, he's a little disturbing when he does a girl's voice. But- (laughs)

   16. JCJack Carr0:32

       There's no getting around that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       (laughs)

   18. JCJack Carr0:33

       Like, if a guy's doing a girl voice, especially putting an accent to it-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah.

   20. JCJack Carr0:36

       ... there's, like, no getting around the creepy part of that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       It's a little, it's a little weird. But you, you take ... But he's so good at, like, Russian accents and then, uh, South African accents.

   22. JCJack Carr0:45

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       And it's a really good book, man.

   24. JCJack Carr0:48

       Thank you.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       It's fucking riveting. Like, it's-

   26. JCJack Carr0:50

       Thank you.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       ... it's hard to put down. It's, it's really good. And most of it I listened to either, uh, on workouts, walking, uh, hikes with the dog, or in the sauna. (laughs)

   28. JCJack Carr1:00

       Nice. Perfect place to listen to it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       So I burned through it in a few days.

   30. JCJack Carr1:04

       Nice.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Like, how so? …

   1. JCJack Carr15:00

      starting, like, a coffee shop somewhere, you have to do for writing. And I didn't really get that at the outset.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Like, how so?

   3. JCJack Carr15:06

      So I... You- you're not just writing and sending it to New York, which is what I thought up until about the time I published the first one. I thought you just went back and forth with an editor a little bit, and then you start the next book. Well, really, you have to do, uh, advertising, branding, co-branding, you know, your marketing stuff, your budgets, your social media. Like, anything you would have to do with any other business that you're starting up, you have to do as an author.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      Hmm.

   5. JCJack Carr15:29

      So, uh, so I kind of treated it as a startup. And starting it, like, just like you're starting something in your garage, and you're hungry, and you're passionate, and, uh, you're seeing an opportunity here or there, and you're... And you just wanna build this readership and, uh, let people know that you have this character and see where it goes. So, uh, so it's been a, a sprint. So point being, uh, at some point, I think you get to a stage where you can say no, and you don't have to sprint off in all these different directions, uh, almost at the same time. Um, and you can say, "Okay, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna wake up, and I'm gonna write for four hours. And it doesn't matter if someone calls for an interview or if CNN wants you on or Fox News wants you on. Doesn't matter. I'm just gonna do my four hours, and then after that, then I'll check my texts, then I'll check my emails. And if something comes up, yeah, we can schedule it out maybe later in the week." But right now, it's just like, "Oh, really? Fox wants me on?" Bam, you know, I'm on.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:16

      Hmm.

   7. JCJack Carr16:16

      And then all of a sudden, now I'm not writing for those four hours in the morning.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:18

      Right, right, right.

   9. JCJack Carr16:20

      So usually, it's, uh... The first novel, and these... and this... (laughs) all the others, uh, were really done between 10:00 at night and about 4:00 in the morning, because that's the time it was quiet in our house with three kids, a dog, wife, and all the home interruptions. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Yeah, that's how I do standup writing too. Same thing. When everyone's asleep, you do your best work, yeah.

   11. JCJack Carr16:35

       It's crazy 'cause there's no one interrupting, 'cause interruptions kill you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       But I have friends that feel like they can't work like that, and they only work good if they get up in the morning and then write immediately.

   13. JCJack Carr16:43

       Ah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       They write even before breakfast.

   15. JCJack Carr16:45

       So I was getting up and working out like that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       You know?

   17. JCJack Carr16:47

       Up until, up until the publication of the first book, and then things got a little crazy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       The publicity stuff and all, yeah.

   19. JCJack Carr16:52

       Publicity stuff and then writing late at night also, working on the next one, dialing that in, and then you're editing one while you're writing another. So you're kind of juggling-

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Oh, wow.

   21. JCJack Carr17:00

       ... at the same time when you're on this-

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       Oh, Jesus.

   23. JCJack Carr17:01

       ... book-a-year, uh, type program. That's what you're, that's what you're doing. Um, and maybe I'll get past that at some point, and I'll have a s- end date, and then I'll start the next one. But right now, it's not, uh, not quite like that yet. So my mornings were taken up with getting up early and... Not anymore. (laughs) I need to get back after it, but in Park City where we live, there are some crazy in-shape people out there.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       Yeah.

   25. JCJack Carr17:21

       And I happen to know a couple of them, so as soon as we moved out there after the Navy, they're like, "Hey, come, come meet. We gotta go work out." It's 5:30 in the morning, and I know Jocko's been up for two hours already.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:30

       (laughs)

   27. JCJack Carr17:30

       But for me, that's pretty good. So waking up at 5:00, getting down there and doing these crazy trail runs, CrossFit stuff, jumping in the pool, do- all sorts of crazy stuff that these guys put together, and it's like five or six CrossFit workouts meshed into one with trail running, with the endurance side. And, uh, yeah, hoping-

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:45

       What, what group are you in with that's doing this? Is it a local gym or...

   29. JCJack Carr17:48

       Yeah, we go... We meet at the local gym, but, uh, Hobie Darling, who is the CEO of Skullcandy, he's like all into human performance at all levels. Um, the emotional, physical, mental, spiritual, like, being the best, like, human he can possibly be, like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:01

       Mm-hmm.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JCJack Carr30:00

      people at home are just like, "What do I, what do I do?" Safest thing to do is just to stay where I am. Uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Yeah.

   3. JCJack Carr30:04

      ... but you don't know who to trust. That's the whole thing.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      It's very hard. It's very hard to figure out who to trust, and doctors are giving disparate... What do we got?

   5. NANarrator30:10

      On, on their website I'm seeing information, uh, updated as of last week, April 18th.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      For flu deaths?

   7. NANarrator30:17

      For, like, it's on the CDC weekly flu surveillance inf- I mean, it's all of the flu information. I could-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      So how many people have died this year from the flu?

   9. NANarrator30:24

      Um... uh, I have to dig through here to find that information. Hold on a second.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Because, um, the COVID deaths are... what is it at now? 55,000 I think? Something like that?

   11. NANarrator30:34

       For this country, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       I think it's more, right? Maybe 60,000 now?

   13. NANarrator30:38

       Closing in on that, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       Which is not a small number. It's a lot of people, but then you find out that, that, that's a bad year for the flu. That's normal. But obviously, this year we've locked everybody down, worldwide even, and, you know, there's, there's... there has to be a slower spread because of this quarantining and because of the social distancing. So you're... I would, uh, imagine you're getting far lower numbers than they would have gotten if everybody had just gone out into the streets.

   15. JCJack Carr31:05

       Oh, yeah. Yeah. No doubt about that. But-

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       No doubt.

   17. JCJack Carr31:07

       ... for, for flu, uh... and this is my understanding because in that fourth novel that I'm writing right now is deep into the study of infectious diseases and how-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Perfect for you.

   19. JCJack Carr31:15

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Perfect timing, right?

   21. JCJack Carr31:16

       It was crazy. Uh, and then how you weaponize those infectious diseases. Uh, what the Japanese did prior to World War II in that space, how they used them in World War II against the Chinese, what happened to that data afterward, after the war. Uh, the Soviet program from the end of World War II up to the collapse, what happened to that information. And then our programs today from the end of World War II up to... and continuing through today. So I was, I was keyed into all that ahead of time, and so it made me a little kind of hypersensitive-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       Mm.

   23. JCJack Carr31:43

       ... to this. I'd been talking to doctors, people that had worked in that space, doing my research. Uh, but from... obviously, I'm not a doctor. Uh, but from what I've studied, the difference here is that the incubation period. So for us... so in the military, we'll go overseas and now we're fighting insurgents. And what do they look like? Well, they look like the people that aren't insurgents. Uh, what does that car look like that's pulling up to this, uh, this checkpoint? It looks like the one that didn't have a VBID in it. Or is that one looking a little low on the suspension? So you're-They're not in a uniform. They're not driving a military-type vehicle. So same with this. It's, it's like an insurgent that's adapted.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       Hmm.

   25. JCJack Carr32:17

       And it's adapted to those other diseases and how we fought them, and it's adapted by the incubation period, by that nine days. So a flu, you get the flu, you're down. You know you shouldn't go into work. If you show up at work, someone's like, "Bro, go home. You look like, you look horrible. Get outta here. You're gonna infect everybody." You don't know that-

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:34

       Right.

   27. JCJack Carr32:34

       ... with COVID-19. So you go out there for this nine days, whatever it is, and you're infecting people during that timeframe. So it's like that insurgent that hides amongst, amongst the-

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       Yeah.

   29. JCJack Carr32:42

       ... populace. It's the same type of thing. Like, they've adapted. SARS was different. Flu is different. All these other ones have been different. And that's the adaptation of this one, is that you go out and you infect other people without knowing it. So that's the difference between it and the flu. So it, it's a hard thing to wrap your head around when you just look at numbers, um, but it, but there is a difference in that, uh, flu, just stay at home if you're sick.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       You know, it's, it's really, in a lot of ways, it's a perfect way to spread a virus, because there's a, there's a video game that my wife plays, she used to play. She doesn't play anymore now that this has gone down. But it was a, a virus video game-
4. 45:00 – 58:41

   Mm-hmm. Okay. …

   1. JCJack Carr45:00

      a black bear. Um, uh, uh, uh, Brian Kall gave me some.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Mm-hmm. Okay.

   3. JCJack Carr45:05

      And, oh, incredible. It was the-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      Black bear is delicious.

   5. JCJack Carr45:07

      It was so good.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Yeah, I tell that to people and they're like, "Shut the fuck up." Like, my, my daughter got asked, "What's your favorite food?" She goes, "Bear."

   7. JCJack Carr45:14

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      And her friends were like, "What?"

   9. JCJack Carr45:15

      Amazing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       Yeah. Like, it's probably not really her favorite food.

   11. JCJack Carr45:19

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       I think she was probably trying to shock her friends.

   13. JCJack Carr45:21

       I don't know. That bl- that black bear that, uh, that Brian gave me is, uh ... I mean, it was canned, so it was just sitting there-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Canned?

   15. JCJack Carr45:28

       ... for a while. Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Really?

   17. JCJack Carr45:28

       So it's this canned thing. Um-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       So how did he make it?

   19. JCJack Carr45:31

       Uh, you know-

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       So-

   21. JCJack Carr45:32

       So you boil it and it's in the ... People can-

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       Yeah.

   23. JCJack Carr45:35

       However you can something-

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       Wayne Endicott from, uh, the Bowrock up in Springfield, Oregon gave me some canned deer meat and it was really good.

   25. JCJack Carr45:41

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       But it's really bottled. It's like bottled deer.

   27. JCJack Carr45:43

       Interesting.

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       But-

   29. JCJack Carr45:44

       I've never had bottled (laughs) I've never had bottled deer before. But I'll tell you, bottled black bear ... And if this ... Maybe it was eating, you know, blueberries or whatever. But it was ... And it sat on our counter for-... six months, 'cause my wife was like, "Mm."

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       "Get the fuck outta here with this." (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:46:50