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If anybody's got the…
- JRJoe Rogan
If anybody's got the answers, it's Jocko.
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Got any answers?
- JWJocko Willink
Oh, uh, I'm not quite so sure about that.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JWJocko Willink
I'm not sure how this movie ends.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
This is the dumbest fucking movie ever. Do you know Magic the Gathering is now racist?
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs) I don't even know what Magic the Gathering is.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's some dorky-
- JWJocko Willink
What is it?
- JRJoe Rogan
... game that, that nerds play.
- JWJocko Willink
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Sorry, nerds.
- JWJocko Willink
How is it, how is it racist?
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, I don't know. I was just reading ... I only saw the title of the article that they're, they're trying to cancel Magic the Gathering. I'm like, "Oh, Christ."
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(exhales) I thought that's what you guys liked. I thought they liked Magic the Gathering.
- JWJocko Willink
I, I have no idea.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everything's, everything's, everything's problematic. Everyone's getting canceled. It's amazing how many people did blackface.
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JWJocko Willink
It's very strange. It's very strange. (laughs) It's, it's very strange. I mean, it was on, but it was on primetime TV, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, a bunch of times. Yeah.
- JWJocko Willink
I mean, like, in the modern world-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JWJocko Willink
... primetime TV.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jimmy Fallon was doing ... Well, he's doing a Chris Rock impression, which, by the way, you used to be able to do. When I was in high school, my friends were Mr. T for Halloween. Nobody gave a fuck. Nobody was like, "Jimmy, what's wrong with you?"
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
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No. …
- JWJocko Willink
we need to invest more money into them. We need to get them better training. We need to pull them out of the field to train and pull them out of the field to decompress, because ... You ever done a ride along?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- JWJocko Willink
Like you, uh, whether you're doing a ride along, whether you're going into any situation where you're thinking you could be killed, and even if it's just a remote chance, but you're doing that all the time, all the time. And you're hearing, you're seeing on the news, you're, oh, you hear this, oh, your buddy got shot, your buddy got whatever, this other guy got, you know, take- his gun taken away. Like that stuff happens. That stuff happens. People get killed. I mean there's been, I think there's been 31 cops killed this year. 31 cops killed this year. And a- a lot of those, that's not including, you know, like a car accident or COVID. There's been a bunch die to COVID, but just people that have been engaged with bad guys and they got killed. So you're a cop. When another cop gets killed, you're thinking that could be you. So that's your mindset, and that mindset builds and that mindset builds and you're working 10-hour days and you're working 12-hour days, and there's no training and there's no breaks. Where do you end up? Right? Where do you end up? You end up being a little bit paranoid. You end up being a little bit angry. What happens when you get in a fight with your wife? You know? It's like all these things, you add them together, it's a freaking hard job. And from a, from a, like an entire systemic way of training and recruiting and, and keeping police ready to do their job, w- whatever that job entails, 'cause let's face it, most of the time that job entails, uh, well, I guess most of the time it entails, "Hey, I'm gonna go have a bad ... I'm about to go have a bad relationship with another human being." That's what's about to happen, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JWJocko Willink
Whether I'm pulling you over, whether I'm, I've been called to your house 'cause you were yelling and screaming and people heard your wife screaming or whatever, that's what's happening. I'm showing up in a bad relationship. You don't like me and I already don't like you. That's where we start. That's where we start. So we gotta train people for that. We also gotta train them for all the times that they go in to help people, save people. They're the first people on the scene at car accidents. People are bleeding out. We gotta train them for that. And then they have to also be trained for, hey, this is a bad guy that's gonna ... This is the guy that you just talked about, at a gas station with a weapon that wants to kill a bunch of people. You got to be prepared for that whole spectrum as a police officer and yet we send them to a three-month-long police academy and then we send them out in the street, and that's what they do day in, day out, day in, day out.
- JRJoe Rogan
It seems to me that they need to be vetted too, much better than they are now, just like the SEALs. Like you can't get through BUD/S unless you are a superior human being. You have to be able to tolerate a bunch of shit that most people are gonna fall apart during. And this is- this seems to me t- this is a great way...... to weed out people that j- just don't have it.
- JWJocko Willink
(sighs) Yeah. There's ... W- Well, one thing that's interesting, just from a physical perspective, most police departments don't even have a minimum physical requirement to continue to be on the force. Li- You have to be at a certain level to graduate from the academies, but oftentimes there's no standard beyond that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I've seen cops before that were like, "This is hilarious." Like, what is gonna stop someone from closing the distance on you? Like, you, you, you ain't getting to that gun.
- JWJocko Willink
Yep. But the mental aspect is stuff that you can get better at.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JWJocko Willink
You can get better at it, but you only get better at it through training.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JWJocko Willink
And you only get really comfortable through training a lot. And yet, we put these people in these horrible positions over and over and over again, and we get ... We don't give them the proper training.
- JRJoe Rogan
And now, there's these politicians that because of the current social climate, they're encouraged to want to defund the police. That's a great way for them to get brownie points from their constituents. The people want the police defunded, which is the wi- it's the dumbest idea I've ever heard in my life.
- JWJocko Willink
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's so crazy that this is actually gaining steam to the point where in Minneapolis, because they're trying to quiet down the mob, they've actually gone ahead and done it. What the fuck is Minneapolis gonna look like in a year from now? It's gonna look like Mad Max.
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, it's gonna be crazy.
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah, it's gonna be ... It's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be, uh ... You know, criminals will go there to commit crimes if there's no, if there's no police there. Are you crazy?
- JRJoe Rogan
By the way, this Jocko energy drink is the shit.
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very legit.
- JWJocko Willink
Right on.
- JRJoe Rogan
I love it. Um, yeah, I just don't understand where they think this game ends. They're not ... I d- I don't think they've planned it out. They're, they're not playing chess.
- JWJocko Willink
The, the other, the other thing that y- you know, you're talking about this brownie points for the politicians. And, and there's brownie points and there's people trying to create sides.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JWJocko Willink
"It's my side versus your side." And that's a completely political thing, right? And all that does is increase the divide between the police and the civilians. And, and this reminds me a lot of, of a counterinsurgency, right? So a counterinsurgency, the insurgents are, you know, bad guys inside of a country. The country's not bad. There's some bad guys in a country. So, what you have to do is you actually have to go out and build relationships with the good people inside that country so that the good people inside that country can help you get rid of the bad people. What happens if you go out ... And this is ... So, this is Ramadi, Iraq. This was my last deployment to Iraq. There's a bunch of just totally normal good people, Iraqi people, that are living in the city of Ramadi. What do they want to do? You know what they want to do? They wanna send their kids to school. They wanna run their little market. They wanna ... Do whatever that t- Whatever it is that they do, that's what they want to do. They have the same goal as a normal family. They're just a normal bunch of people. And inside that group of people, there's a bunch of bad people. And these are insurgents. Some of them are foreign fighters. Some of them are foreign regime elements from Saddam, but they're bad. And they want to create chaos and mayhem.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JWJocko Willink
So, Americans, we go in there. If we go in there super heavy-handed and while I go to capture or kill one bad guy, I kill or maim a couple of those normal civilians, what happens? Well, a couple of those normal civilians' family go, "Wait. Y- You guys aren't good. You guys are bad. You guys just killed my brother and he didn't do anything wrong." And then we do it again, and then we do it again, and then we do it again. And each time that we do this, we're, we're creating more animosity from the local populace, who, by the way, like I said, they're just n- good, normal people. So, what we had to do is really focus on going out and building relationships with the local populace. How do we do that? And one of the things ... Uh, this, this happened after I left, but y- you remember the surge that took place?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- 30:00 – 45:00
Mm-hmm. …
- JWJocko Willink
and saying, "Hey, you know, I, I get it." And they're communicating with each other and talking. And when you communicate with people, it's, it's just like the hostage rescue basic technique. You want to humanize. You want to humanize instead of dehumanize. And right now, we're just dehumanizing each other completely and that's what scares me more than anything else, is if we can't talk to each other 'cause look, you take the most hardened, uh, soldier in war...... some, you know, some badass soldier that's done four deployments, six deployments, whatever, and you put him into a room with a- a kid and a mom, an Iraqi kid and a mom or an- an Afghan kid and a mom, and you put them in that room and say, "Hey, s- sit here for 15 minutes and find out what they're about. Here's an interpreter." Tha- that guy is gonna come out, they're going, "Yeah, I- I get where they're coming from." S- and same thing vice versa. You take a hardened jihadist and you say, "Hey, talk to this guy over here about what he's trying to do inside your country. Just- just- just talk to him." When you open up the communications, and are you gonna get some extremists on both ends? Yes, you will. So maybe I shouldn't have said the most hardened, uh, soldier and the most hardened, 'cause that- you know what, the most hardened soldier becomes a killer. Becomes a killer. That- that happens. Happens all the time. You know, I- I, well, I shouldn't say it happens all the time. It happens from time to time, that's how you get the My Lai massacre. It happens. The- the most hardened jihadist, they're not gonna change their mind. They're not gonna come to any- any rose-colored view of America. But barring those total extremes, you've got people. You got hu- other human beings. And if you can get them to talk to each other, they can find consensus, they can find common ground. But if they're not talking to each other, then we don't move, make any progress. And what, to your whole kind of point about what's happening right now, there's less and less communication between people, open communication. Because if you, if you talk to, uh, someone and they say, "The cops did this, this, and this." And you say, "Oh, okay. Ex- explain to me what happened. Tell me what went down." And then you say, "Hey, let me tell you what it's like for be- for a cop, being a cop when he sees that, when he sees something going on. You know how many domestic violence cases happen and the person shows up and they're- they're getting assaulted by both parties?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JWJocko Willink
"So maybe that's what y- this cop was thinking when he showed up and saw your mom in this situation and did this to your dad." Right? Th- like, this is real conversations, but we don't, we don't have them. And not only we don't have them, it seems like, it seems like there's forces that are actively trying to prevent us from talking each- to each other, from sitting down at a table and saying, "Hey man, what, tell me what's going on?"
- JRJoe Rogan
What for is this?
- JWJocko Willink
Who wants, who wants the country to be divided? It's the people that you're talking about earlier about that, how do they score points? How do I score points with this group? How do I s- score points with the other group? It's by making- making everything as divisive as possible. It's- it's- it's horrible to watch, man. It's sickening to watch.
- JRJoe Rogan
I was reading a- a whole series of tweets where the journalist that was talking about how, um, cops shooting black men is a real problem, but another real problem that's not being discussed by this Black Lives Matter group is black on black crime, and how do we stop all the murders that are taking place in Chicago. And this- this is something that should be discussed. And this guy was getting attacked, and one of the- one of the, a- another journalist was literally tweeting at him saying, "You have been told not to discuss this."
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
But yet he ignores the- the- these commands, that- that- that he should not discuss this very real issue. Uh, as if somehow or another bringing up another issue that is also a problem diminishes the original issue of this guy getting killed by cops, it, which of course it doesn't.
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But this, the idea is that there's problems, there's real problems, and it's not just the cops killing these people. There's- there's... Look, the- the cop killed this guy in Minneapolis. He didn't do anything in Seattle. How the fuck did that shit happen in Seattle? Well, it happened in Seattle because of this reactionary world, where- where one person does something somewhere, it gets through social media, it gets through the mainstream media, it becomes this- i- i- this huge inflammatory subject. And then the next thing you know, windows are getting smashed, things are getting lit on fire, cars are getting turned over, blocks are getting taken, and that's where we find ourselves.
- JWJocko Willink
(clears throat) I think it was May 29th. There was a cop killed, I wanna say in Texas. And he was killed when th- they rolled onto a scene, they got, they got a call, "Hey, suspicious person running through the neighborhood." They roll up on the scene, they start, a couple, a few cops are now searching for this guy, and they see a building with an open door. They go, "Okay, let's, that, maybe he's in there, let's go clear this building with an open door." They go in this building with an open door. There's shots fired. One of the cops killed one of the other cops.
- JRJoe Rogan
(inhales)
- JWJocko Willink
So- so- so just, you know, friendly fire, death. That right there, i- if you, if you take that and you just extrapolate that over how hard it is to be a police officer, that you can be going into a building and you shoot one of your friends because you think they're bad. That is a real problem. That's how hard this job is. My point is that's how hard this job is, but we have to do a better job of explaining that. We have to do a better job of explaining how hard this job is. As far as the, uh, "Hey, don't talk about black on black violence," I was trying, I was talking with my podcast bro, Echo Charles, who is a black guy. And we were talking about that, and I said, "You know, I think it might have a little bit to do with this. If you are, if you're watching UFC, and there's two guys that are fighting, and..."... the round ends, like just, just at the end of the round, all of a sudden the referee comes in and, like, punches one of the... J- like, like, just, just Muay Thai kicks a guy in the head and knocks him out. Everyone would be completely, uh, uh, utterly outraged about this, right? 'Cause-
- JRJoe Rogan
Of course.
- JWJocko Willink
... that guy wasn't in the game. What, what's that guy doing?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JWJocko Willink
So I think there's a little bit of that. That's, that's the, the, the referee is supposed to not do that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JWJocko Willink
And when you see a cop, the thought is, "Hey, that guy's, like, sp- that guy is viewed as a referee. That guy's-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- JWJocko Willink
"... not supposed to be doing this." So I think that is kind of where some of that, that, that outrage comes from, because this is a cop. This isn't supposed to be happening here.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JWJocko Willink
This, this guy is no... Not supposed to be killing people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JWJocko Willink
And he did.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's also that the cop is just a person who has this extraordinary power.
- JWJocko Willink
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, extraordinary responsibility too.
- JWJocko Willink
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
What, what's terrifying to me is that, well, wha- when I'm looking at this idea to defund the police, and then, uh, I'm thinking, like, "What are these s- what do these neighborhoods look like if you wind up doing that? And then how do you get back out of that? W- what do you do? Refund the police? D- Do you do... Ramp it up and do it better next time?" I mean, this is a long process. You're looking at a lot of trial and error here over, you know, perhaps multiple years before they figure out what, what they fucked up.
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Have you thought about…
- JWJocko Willink
Why would I wanna go and be a politician right now? Right? It's crazy. Like, for me to, to... for me to want to go into the, into the political world, there would have to be complete and utter chaos in America. I mean, way, way beyond, um, beyond where we're at right now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you thought about this?
- JWJocko Willink
Y- yeah. I mean, I'm telling you what I think. When-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JWJocko Willink
... when pe-... 'cause people ask me, "Oh, you should do this, you should do that." I say, "Um, you know, we're not at a point where we need this, the kind of-"
- JRJoe Rogan
We might be about four days away from it. (laughs)
- JWJocko Willink
We could be. I think the answer... you know, let's get, let's get, uh, Dwayne The Rock Johnson.
- JRJoe Rogan
I agree with you.
- JWJocko Willink
He's, he's the guy that could really, I think, unify people, and I think he would have to run as an independent, and I recommend he does it right now. Right, right now. He should be like, "Yeah, you know what? I'm in. I'm in."
- JRJoe Rogan
I think he would win.
- JWJocko Willink
I think he would win.
- JRJoe Rogan
I really think he would win as an independent.
- JWJocko Willink
He's obviously a smart guy. He's super articulate. He listens. You can tell that he listens. I mean, when you see him interact with people, he's, he's very genuine, how he interacts. He's built businesses, right? He's built big, well, uh, r- r- really, uh, productive businesses that are doing great. He, he's... uh, I think he'd be great.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's got a fantastic work ethic.
- JWJocko Willink
Got a fantastic work e- work ethic that he... you know, he built. He came up from nothing, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JWJocko Willink
He had seven bucks in his pocket. We all know the story. And, and he has more bucks in his pocket than that now. So... a- a- and most important, I think, I think he's just a popular guy. You know, he would get up and, and when the country's going through hard times... You know, I was talking to a friend on the way up here, and they were saying, "Hey, you know, p- people want leadership and they're looking for it, and, and they're not hearing it." And a lot of times people don't even recognize the fact that they don't have leadership.They... you don't even recognize it. It's a leadership vacuum, so they don't even know what they should be thinking. Look, let me give you an example. Your... let's take a SEAL platoon. A SEAL platoon raids a house, there's some explosions, there's some gunfire, and no one's really sure where it's coming from and no one's really sure what to do. Now, that individual, a lot of the individuals in that platoon are just kind of holding on security. They're holding their... the- they're not really sure what to do, and they're not really even recognizing that there's a leadership vacuum. But then someone comes in, the leader, the platoon chief, the platoon commander comes in and goes, "Everyone get to the f- roof right now." And everyone goes, "Oh, cool. Now we know what to do." So, same thing happening in America right now. There's no kind of voice saying, "Hey, everyone. This is what I just saw on this video. This is what I just saw. This was a heinous crime. This obviously... we have some deep-rooted problems that we need to fix. Here's the way I'm gonna move forward addressing these problems, getting to the bottom of them, and here's how long the timeline is gonna be. And by the way, my ears are open and, you know, wherever the play is... you know where I'm coming right now? I'll be in Minneapolis tomorrow afternoon." That's... you know? Like, "Oh, we got a problem like that? If we have a problem like that, I am going on the ground. I will be there..." I'll be there. What do... I- I'm the... I guess I'm the president, so I'll be there in, what, two hours? I'll be there on the ground. I'm gonna find out what's going on. I'm gonna meet with people. We're gonna talk. I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna find out what this means. I'm gonna get to the bottom of these problems." That's, that's what... Then you can actually speak from a position of, "Okay, I just spoke to these nine people. Matter of fact, they're coming with me. We're gonna come up with a plan. We're gonna come up with a plan together."You know, that's another huge leadership... Everyone thinks in the military that the, that the leader sitting at the top going, "All right, gentlemen, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna approach this building from the west. We're gonna assault the front door." No. That's not the way it works. That's not the way it should work. The way it should work is, I say to you, Joe, I say, "Hey, Joe, here's the target I want you to go after tonight. Come up with a plan." And you say, "Okay, cool." And then you, if you're a good leader, you get with your team and say, "Hey guys, here's the target we're going after. How do you all think we should do it?" And now you all come up with your own plan together, and then you come back to me and say, "Hey, Jocko, here's how I wanna do it." And I say, "Looks good." And maybe if I gotta make a little adjustment I say, "Hey, make this little adjustment here or maybe use this weapon over here," or whatever. I make little tiny adjustments, but it's still your plan. And from a leadership perspective, that means you are... You and your team are totally bought into the plan. You made it up. As opposed to me coming down and barking orders at you and telling you how we're gonna do it. Doesn't work. I mean, I can force you to do it 'cause I outrank you. "No, I order you to do this." That doesn't, that doesn't fly. You know how many times in my entire military career I said, "Hey, I'm the boss. You better do what I tell you to do"? You wanna know how many times I said that? Zero. Zero times. No one thinks like that. So, in a leadership position what you have to do, do is say, "Hey, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna find out what's going on. I'm gonna talk to people and we're gonna put together a plan to figure out how we're gonna get this solved." This is not acceptable in America.
- JRJoe Rogan
That sounds fantastic, but what if you're a Republican and they're Democrats, and then you get on the ground and you have a mayor that's non-compliant, you have a governor who disagrees with your strategy, they don't want you there in the first place, they wanna work it out themselves, they wanna defund the police. They're voting unanimously-
- JWJocko Willink
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to defund the police. They don't like what you're saying.
- JWJocko Willink
Cool. O- Okay. If that's where we're at right now, let's, let's come up with a plan. Let's see how we get through this. Here's some things I'm worried about. 'Cause if you, if you're telling me you wanna defund the police because you think that this police department is completely and u- utterly corrupt, okay, let's, let's explore that. 'Cause you could be right. You could be right. This is where a lot of leaders make a mistake where it becomes an ego thing. Especially, like you're talking Republican and Democrat, so that means if I'm a Republican, no Democrat can have a good idea, ever. And if I'm a Democrat, no Republican can have a good idea, ever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- JWJocko Willink
That's completely wrong. That's completely wrong. So, even right now, like, when you threaten me right now, right now, you're like, "Hey, what if I tell you I wanna defund the police?" And I wi- I tell you I don't want the cops. And I wa- You tell me all those things. As a good leader, you know what I'm gonna say? "All right. There must be something really bad going on here, beyond even what I just saw on this video. I'm coming and I wanna hear what's happening, and I want you to tell me what your suggestions are. And if your suggestions are to defund the police, let's explore where that, where that plays out. Let's see where that ends up." Because as we start peeling back the layers, even the most, even the most, uh, ardent anti-police person, y- you're gonna get to a point where you say, "Okay, when my house is..." When, when one of your constituents house is being broken into, who are they going to call? What, what mechanism are we gonna put in place for security? How are we gonna keep people safe from crime? And then they've gotta answer that question. And, and maybe they come up with a good answer. I, I don't know yet. But as a leader, you have to listen to other peoples' ideas. And we have to... You, you absolutely have to do that. There's a, a saying from Patton. "A leader on the front line is alway- always right." The leader on the front... "The leader on the front line is always right." So I've always tried to embrace that theory, not just from a leadership perspective, but even from a human perspective. You know, when you wanna tell me something that I don't know about, I'm gonna listen to you. I'm actually gonna... I'm actually really gonna listen to you. I'm gonna try and ask myself, "Well, let's see. Joe lives in this city and Joe's here with this community, and Joe is telling me right now that we should have no police here. Well, could he be very emotional? Yes, he could. Does that mean I should not listen to anything he says? No, it doesn't. It means I should monitor your, your emotions and I should take that into account. But I should also be saying, "There's gotta be some core to, of truth to what he's saying." Now, is it possible that Joe's just a bad actor and just evil? Yes, it is. How do I know that unless I listen to you? The answer is, you don't.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I'm hearing right now? Jocko and The Rock 2020.
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what I'm hearing. Come on, son.
- JWJocko Willink
I think-
- JRJoe Rogan
America needs you.
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah. Well, um, I really hope it doesn't get to that point.
- JRJoe Rogan
What you're saying all makes fantastic sense.
- 1:00:00 – 1:15:00
(sniffs) …
- JRJoe Rogan
the country of people like, "You, you can be president in this country."
- JWJocko Willink
(sniffs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, even if you're born out of a single fam- single-mother family and you're, uh, a black guy, y- you can ... You ... As long as you've got the goods, you can make it. Like, this is great. This means we really are living in a meritocracy." And it would be great if there was a gay guy that had the same experience. Like, like all the people that are homophobes are like, "Ah, but that fucking Mayor Pete-"
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"... he's got me. He- yeah, he- I- I'm not ... Uh, the Bible says, but you know what? Fuck the Bible."
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"I'm voting for that guy. He's better than Trump."
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, that would be great. But he's just n- I don't think he's the guy.
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe he's the guy someday, but he's also a young guy, right? So who else? Who the fuck is there?Especially since it's gonna be Biden, and he said it's gonna be a woman. He's definitely not going to go with Tulsi. She's too fucking dangerous.
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The, the Democrats are scared of her. She doesn't play games.
- JWJocko Willink
Which is so crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know. She's got everything.
- JWJocko Willink
She's got everything. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Everything they want. Woman of color, congresswoman, served overseas-
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... uh, d- two deployments.
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
She's got everything. Really-
- JWJocko Willink
She's super articulate.
- JRJoe Rogan
Super articulate.
- JWJocko Willink
She's level-headed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Super level-headed, very intelligent-
- JWJocko Willink
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... but she's just not corrupt. (laughs)
- JWJocko Willink
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
She's got this one problem. (laughs)
- JWJocko Willink
Oh... (laughs)
- 1:15:00 – 1:15:14
Section 6
- JWJocko Willink
money. And by the way, you're making something. You're making something with your hands, you're producing something here in this country. That's just like w- well, it's like when you go hunting, when I go hunting, you get something for yourself. There's a certain feeling-
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