Joe Rogan Experience #1498 - Jon Stewart

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   And h- hi, Jon…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      And h- hi, Jon Stewart.

   2. JSJon Stewart0:02

      Hi, Joe Rogan.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      What's going on behind you? What is all that jazz?

   4. JSJon Stewart0:06

      Oh, it's all my ... When my kids were younger, this was their pla- ... I'm in the attic.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Oh. (laughs)

   6. JSJon Stewart0:11

      So, when they, when they were younger, came up here with their cousins and doodle, and, uh, then I got kicked up here. It's my office now, and I'm, I'm here with the bunny and the, the guinea pig and the rat.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Hey, man-

   8. JSJon Stewart0:20

      So I've been-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      ... I miss you. I miss you on TV right now. I really do. This is a perfect time for you. It's, uh, it's kinda crazy-

   10. JSJon Stewart0:28

       Uh, uh- (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       ... that you're not hosting that show anymore.

   12. JSJon Stewart0:31

       But there's so many people doing that kind of sh- ... You know, I was ... I really did burn out. Like, I, I felt like it's just redundant. You know, the nice thing for what you do is you get to curate and kind of be more active and to follow your own rhythm for it. I was really tied to that rhythm of the 24-hour news cycle.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Right.

   14. JSJon Stewart0:56

       And how fucking redundant it is and how cyclical. And at a certain point, I was like, "I don't know what else to do with this," and so I didn't wanna stay just 'cause I could. I just done it long enough, and so I thought, "Well, let me just..." It was just time. I felt like the audience needed a fresh perspective. I needed a fresh perspective. Like, I just, I just felt done. Like, I was more, I was more mad about shit than, than inspired, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       I appreciate that you decided to go out at the, literally at the very top, but it seems like ex- especially, like, right now, like, uh, John Oliver's killing it and Trevor Noah's doing your show. And it's like, this is, this is the- ... Uh, th- there's so much to mock, it's almost like an overload. And doing real commentary on politics today, in my opi- ... It's almost like you're doing commentary on pro wrestling. Like, this is a rigged game-

   16. JSJon Stewart1:53

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       ... and you're out here pretending like this shit makes sense.

   18. JSJon Stewart1:58

       Oh, it- yeah, it's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       It really is.

   20. JSJon Stewart1:59

       I- I think ... You're right. Well, it's also because that's ... The economic system that's been set up around politics is the very same that Vince McMahon set up around wrestling. You create ... I mean, it is a kind of, you know, kayfabe. It's a sort of like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Yeah.

   22. JSJon Stewart2:15

       ... there are characters. Y- y- you know what it's like. When you're trying to produce something every day, you're gonna go with kind of a boilerplate structure, so you're gonna say, "All right. Our show revolves around (snaps fingers) you're from the right, you're from the left. Whatever comes in, we're gonna filter it through that. We're gonna keep it producible." But it starts to, like you say, it becomes inauthentic. But the same thing would happen to me sometimes with ... Like, I'd be doing shows, and, and you would know. You weren't necessarily feeling the outrage of something or, uh, that, that the commentary was gonna be as spicy or as deep as you might want it, but you might kick it up a notch anyway 'cause it was performative.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       Hmm.

   24. JSJon Stewart2:59

       And I al- ... I, I always had to fight that instinct to not, to not give into the gravity of, like, what was expected of, of me, if that makes-

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Well, it's such, it's such a tightrope to walk because you're commenting, you're doing comedy on something that's actually serious, and it's great to mock the ridiculous aspects of it. But really, like, wh- ... If you're doing the, the Daily Show right now, like, we really are in a legitimately troubled time. Like, it's not-

   26. JSJon Stewart3:29

       No, that-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       It's not like a troubled time of 10 years ago or eight years ago. Like, this is a real troubled time.

   28. JSJon Stewart3:35

       No, and I think as that builds up, it becomes harder and harder. But I can recall, you know, people, people will say sometimes ... And look, I, I think there's a certain nostalgia that people view my time on the show as. Um, and I'm not being self-deprecating. I just mean, you know, when you walk away from something, I think of a kind of nostalgia about how, you, you know, I took a fair amount of shit while I was there and, uh ... But, but the point is, like, Charleston happened when I was hosting that show. Ferguson happened. The Iraq War happened. 9/11 happened. Like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Jesus.

   30. JSJon Stewart4:10

       These types of things were always ... And, and what would happen is you started to feel like you were expected to say something profound about it.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      instead of just existence. We were saying, "Oh my God, we have to protect ourselves from this-"

   2. JSJon Stewart15:06

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      "... viral, viral attack."

   4. JSJon Stewart15:09

      And what it makes you realize is how much money it takes to ante up to the American way of life. And what I mean by that is, like, if you wanna buy, if you just wanna buy in to play a hand, right? What's your ante? Well, now they say you gotta go to college. So, you're talking about a $200,000 ante.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:27

      Yeah.

   6. JSJon Stewart15:28

      Just to get in the fucking game.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Right, to get a job when you get out where you're not gonna make a fraction of that every year, so you're gonna be behind the eight ball for the rest of your life.

   8. JSJon Stewart15:36

      Right. Now think about, you know, uh, Black people not being able to build equity and wealth through generations-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:43

      Right.

   10. JSJon Stewart15:45

       ... of, you know, government policy that excluded them from, you know, from whether it's the Homestead Act or the Federal Housing Administration or the GI Bill, you know, all these government interventions, socialism if you will, entitlements if you will, w- were made to help white families build equity, right? Over generations. Black people were explicitly excluded from that. So add that on top of the amount of money that you win and you start to see the hole that we've dug for people.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Yeah.

   12. JSJon Stewart16:17

       And if we don't address that hole, I don't care how many fucking comedy sketches we pull and how many things go, like, we've, we're not doing anything. And-

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       Yeah, we haven't addressed the hole that exists from being 150 years removed from slavery, which is crazy.

   14. JSJon Stewart16:33

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       That's not, that's a, a, a blink in time. It's nothing.

   16. JSJon Stewart16:37

       And how crazy is it that, like, and you al- I always hear it from, like, the but people, they're like, "The George Floyd thing, yeah, that was terrible, but..." And they, as soon as they say the but, I'm like, "No, no but." No, but he wasn't an angel. No, but-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Doesn't matter.

   18. JSJon Stewart16:50

       ... he was... What doesn't matter? And when you're upset that people are pulling down Confederate statues, like, people have been begging for that since they got, th- those things got put up in the 1920s to really lock in Jim Crow. Like, those things aren't there, they're not memorials, uh, to the dead, they are hagiography to a war for slavery. Like, we shot the movie down South, man. So I, I saw these monuments, you would think they would say, like, "Here's a statue of, uh, uh, Robert E. Lee." "This motherfucker fought-"

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       (laughs)

   20. JSJon Stewart17:26

       "... in a civil war to, to keep people slaves. And then we built this thing in the '20s to make Black people kind of afraid so that they knew they couldn't take it." But it doesn't say that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       Right.

   22. JSJon Stewart17:35

       It said, "This, this great man." Like, of course people are gonna pull them down because they've been begging for us to do something about it for 100 years.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:46

       It's also the origins of those. A lot of those statues were actually put up during the Civil Rights Movement.

   24. JSJon Stewart17:51

       Of course.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       And they're cheaply made. They were put up as a, a middle finger to the Civil Rights Movement.

   26. JSJon Stewart17:57

       No, no, no question. Look-

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:59

       Yeah.

   28. JSJon Stewart17:59

       But, but we need something at a, like, there has to be a process. You know, I always think about, like, what South Africa did. There has to be a painful led process that allows us... 'Cause I, I still think to this day, and I don't know how, how your experience with this is, but, like-I still think there's a large swath of, you know, white people in society who feel like they blame Black people for not being able to get out of this hole that we put them in, or that the government put them in, but they think it's a problem of culture and virtue. Like, "Hey man, if they would just, uh, pull their pants up and, uh, talk different, you know, they wouldn't have such a hard time." "Hey, why don't you just work harder?" And-

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       No, that's a... that's a-

   30. JSJon Stewart18:47

       (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, the jet fuel…

   1. JSJon Stewart30:00

      with these people and help them.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      Yeah, the jet fuel burned at the Trade Center is another excellent example of, of first responders, right, that were, uh, terribly sickened and, uh, many, many of them died because of the fumes. And, and r- and people in the res- the surrounding areas. In fact, um-

   3. JSJon Stewart30:16

      Right.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      ... Donna Summers died of lung cancer, and she lived-

   5. JSJon Stewart30:20

      Oh, did she?

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      ... near there. Yeah.

   7. JSJon Stewart30:21

      I don't doubt that it's related, could-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      It could be related, but it's, it's-

   9. JSJon Stewart30:24

      But 19-

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       Many people did.

   11. JSJon Stewart30:26

       Jim, Jimmy Sondrova, he was a cop, and he got really sick. I mean-... those guys developed the, the pile cough, like, a day into the, the search and rescue. But Jimmy Zadrova, he g- he gets sick and they kept trying to tell him that, A, first it was in his head, and then it was, it had nothing to do with where you were and, and working on the pile and 9/11. And then, they tried to say, like, "It's from snorting drugs." They fucking tr- m- you know, ruined this man's reputation as he's dying. He dies, they do an autopsy, in his lungs, everything you could possibly imagine from a pulverized building.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       Jesus.

   13. JSJon Stewart31:07

       Mm. Asbestos, limestone, cyanide. Like-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       Oh.

   15. JSJon Stewart31:12

       ... crabs. Like, it was an utter disaster and, and they just keep fighting people and they're doing the same thing to these veterans now with, with, uh, the burn pits. And it's, you know, the whole thing's just gotta stop. Th- there's gotta be a presumption, uh, for these illnesses so that these guys don't have to fight so hard to get-

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       What-

   17. JSJon Stewart31:32

       ... you know, disability or healthcare.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       I think a lo- a- along the same lines we're talking about reform of the police department, there has to be some reform of the healthcare system that deals with veterans because it seems to be just this long history of doing it a certain way to save the most money possible and-

   19. JSJon Stewart31:47

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       ... the, the idea that these guys are sacrificial anyway, you know? They're sending them off to potentially die. If they come back alive, we, you know, we do our v- they do our, their very best to not treat them and to not spend any more money on them. And it's-

   21. JSJon Stewart32:01

       That's right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       ... it's sick.

   23. JSJon Stewart32:01

       That's right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       It's amazing we have so many guys that are still patriotic that still wanna go and do this considering the fact that they're treated so poorly when they return.

   25. JSJon Stewart32:10

       Yeah. And they lose, you know... Listen, being in the military is isolating in the first place. It's just not that, you know... I- it's only less than 1%, I think, of the population. Put on top of that, when you get out, you know, you, you're used to being with a unit, you're used to that comradery, you're used to, uh, all pulling for the same, you know, working as a team. Well, now you're removed from your unit and if you're hurt, that's even further isolating. You know, uh, uh, and, and in that moment to have to then y- you're worried about your future, your family's future. And in that moment when you, when, that's when the government should step in and go, "Hey man, w- you fulfilled your service to us, you fulfilled that covenant, we will fulfill that covenant to you. You know, we will send that, that, you know, we'll do the right thing."

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:59

       Right.

   27. JSJon Stewart33:00

       And they, and they do the opposite.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       They do the opposite.

   29. JSJon Stewart33:03

       Which you've seen. That's the thing. It's... Some of this shit is so simple and fair and obvious, and you do wonder, like, how has this system become so corrupt and corroded that we can't anymore as a people do the right thing? Just do the right fucking thing. How did that, how did we get here?

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:25

       Well, I think, again, this speaks to what's going on in this country in terms of revolt. That we, we realize, like, all this stuff, whether you're talking about the healthcare system, whether you're talking about police reform, whether you're talking about impoverished communities that are stricken with crime and drugs, th- it's not changing b- uh, under the normal conditions. Like, something has to happen and something has to happen in a big way to change it. And all these things need to be addressed, right? The healthcare of soldiers needs to be addressed, reform of the police, reform of these communities. Like, it has to be addressed. If you're gonna spend trillions of dollars to bail out these large corporations, you gotta s- you, you, you've gotta work on these other problems too. You can't just ignore them because they're not the ones who are funding your campaign.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JSJon Stewart45:00

      feel like one of the hardest thing to do is to maintain your kind of creative barometer so that you don't let those kinds of things, when you feel like they're not constructive, pull you too far to, uh, the outrage world or some other things, like, to maintain that... And that's why I think it's good, like, what, what you do in terms of conversa-... like, you basically say, you know, "I'm gonna do long form," because that, you know, feels like, a- at least from my perspective, the healthiest form-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:34

      Yeah.

   3. JSJon Stewart45:34

      ... is, is conversation, is-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      But even in that case, people will take long form, edit things-

   5. JSJon Stewart45:41

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:41

      ... outta context, and then it becomes the same problem that we have-

   7. JSJon Stewart45:45

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:45

      ... with Twitter and with everything else. You get these little sound bites or these little video clips, and you don't understand the full context of the conversation or what th- what was actually said, and then people get outraged at that. It's, you know, it's, uh-

   9. JSJon Stewart45:58

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       ... we are living in a very strange time, and I believe it's an adolescent stage of communication. And I think it's going to give-

   11. JSJon Stewart46:04

       Exactly.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       ... the frustrations for this are going to give birth to a, a better form. And I think one of the things that podcasts, uh, what it, what... it's in response to and the, the popularity of the long form is in response to people being upset with, like, these traditional late night talk show things where there's a window here with one guy on the right and a window here with a guy on the left, and there's a person in the center and they're yelling at each other, and then you cut to commercial, and you don't really feel like things got resolved. So, the response to that, where people are gravitating-

   13. JSJon Stewart46:32

       It's theater.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:33

       It's the- it's theater. Yeah. I think-

   15. JSJon Stewart46:35

       Do you... I'm saying, was it hard for you... You know, at... When we came up as comics, it was also at that point, like, it was sort of a gladiatorial environment, you know? And I remember, you know, the Boston scene, uh, you know, was always like, "That's a tough scene."

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:50

       Yeah.

   17. JSJon Stewart46:50

       And we'd come up and it was kinda gladiatorial and... but you had that audience and it... and you develop kinda that thick skin. Is it hard to then make that switch in your mind to this different form that's so much more considered, so much less about, uh, uh, conquering the stage?

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       Yeah.

   19. JSJon Stewart47:13

       It is about being open. And is that something that, for you... What, what was the switch for you from those two forms? 'Cause that's a, that's an interesting switch.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:25

       Well, in the beginning, there wasn't a very good switch, you know? It's like, one of the reasons why the early episodes (laughs) sucked. It's like, I didn't know what I was doing and I didn't think anybody was listening. It was just for fun. And there was-

   21. JSJon Stewart47:35

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:35

       ... a lot of just hanging out with comics and just doing what comics do. If we're at a diner somewhere, just talking shit and making each other laugh, but we're doing it and videotaping it. And then along the way, I started interviewing actual interesting people and talking to them and having conversations and not... You know, I don't... You know, I... there's a place for comedy, and then I, I don't... I, I make a really big point in never trying to force comedy into places where it doesn't belong. That's the... I do that also with the UFC. When I do commentary, I'm never funny.

   23. JSJon Stewart48:06

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan48:06

       There's no reason to be. It's not what my job is, you know? And then when I'm doing a conversation with someone, I just try to talk. I don't try to be a comic. I don't try... I just... I'm a human. I want, uh, I wanna know what they're talking about, and I wanna, uh, I wanna get them to expand upon their ideas as best-

   25. JSJon Stewart48:23

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:23

       ... as they can. And I wanna be engaged. That's what I'm, all I'm trying to do. So, it wasn't that... it wasn't that was a big transition. It was that I had to learn how to do this thing that I didn't think-

   27. JSJon Stewart48:34

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:34

       ... was a skill. I thought that, like, being on the radio or podcasting, you know, was just talking.That's what I thought, it's like, you're just talking. And then I realized, no, no, no, you're talking in a way that people want to listen. You're making it entertaining, you're keeping your ego in check, you're, you're moving the conversation along while not being overbearing. You're not letting people ramble too much where it's boring you. You gotta figure out how to juice things up and push them and massage them and move them around.

   29. JSJon Stewart49:01

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan49:01

       It's a skill, and I didn't think it was a skill. And, uh, you know, and like I said, that's one of the (laughs) reasons why my early episodes suck so bad.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   How do you... You…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      are the ones that the people that are in a bad position right now, they really respond to when it comes to l- there's an emotional connection with s- If you see some guy and he's on the cover of Men's Health magazine and he's ripped and he starts talking about fitness, you're like, "Get the fuck out of here. I can't relate to you. I'm never gonna look like that." But if you see someone who is in this, sit- the situation that you're in currently-

   2. JSJon Stewart1:00:19

      How do you... You do, like-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      ... and they turned it around-

   4. JSJon Stewart1:00:21

      You already look like that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

      Well, not me, but-

   6. JSJon Stewart1:00:24

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      Listen, I've been working out my whole life. I've never stopped. L- But if someone is fat, I'm talking from their perspective, and they see some guy who's really thin and chiseled, they're n- it's not gonna make sense to them-

   8. JSJon Stewart1:00:35

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

      ... that they could ever be like that. But if they see someone, there's a lot of really fantastic photos and, and, and Instagram and Facebook pages online where you can get inspiration from someone who actually stuck to a diet, actually stuck to an exercise routine, and then speaks really well about how much it improved the way they feel, their emotions, their depression-

   10. JSJon Stewart1:00:56

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       ... all the aspects of their life. And that's, I think, one of the more... Like, David Goggins is a great example of that. I use him all the time because he's this incredibly inspirational guy who w- is a Navy SEAL, and, and at one point in time he was 300 pounds, he was drinking milkshakes, and he puts those pictures of himself on Instagram all the time just to let people know, "Hey, I'm not some alien. I'm, I'm a person who was weak, just like you. I was lazy, I got fat, and then I figured out how to train my mind to be disciplined, and I figured out how to be happier." And I think that-

   12. JSJon Stewart1:01:28

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       ... that's really important for people to see that it's-

   14. JSJon Stewart1:01:30

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       ... we're not in a static state, we're all in a constant state of improvement and growth, hopefully, or deterioration if you're not careful.

   16. JSJon Stewart1:01:38

       But does that ... You know, the thing that I worry about those sometimes is similarly to economic distress. Does it make a person's health be a function of their virtue? Does it, does it take something that is beyond a lot of people's control that ... Isn't that a little bit of like, "Hey, man, if you just pull your pants up, you, you could do it." Like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       No, it's not.

   18. JSJon Stewart1:02:03

       ... or-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       It's ... You know what it is?

   20. JSJon Stewart1:02:04

       ... looking the wrong way.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

       Yeah. I know what you're saying, but it's not. Okay. It's, "I did this and I can show you how I did it, and maybe you can do it too." That's what it is. We don't have to look at every success as somehow or another, they're thumbing in the face of people who can't achieve a, a similar goal. But- Right. ... w- w- but there are enough people out there that can, that we should concentrate on that because I think it'll have a significant improvement on the overall health of us, again, as a community. And I think this is really how we have to look at th- the, the United States and human beings on Earth in general. We have to look at each other as a bunch of people that could very well be neighbors. We're comm- we're a community. And if you're my-

   22. JSJon Stewart1:02:42

       Your community-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:42

       ... friend and you were fat and you were willing to listen, and I used to be fat too and I can tell you, "Hey man, this is what I did. I stopped drinking soda."

   24. JSJon Stewart1:02:51

       But that's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:51

       What's that?

   26. JSJon Stewart1:02:51

       But there are people that are, there, there are people that are ............................ I mean, I, I understand the point there. And, and I'm ... Look, I'm an advocate for plant-based stuff. I think that's ... it's a healthy way to do it. Uh, but obviously, eating is such a personal experience that I hesitate to ever, uh, impart that i- in any other way. But I just feel like sometimes for people, it's almost more debilitating for that mentality of, "This is how you do it, you just gotta get your shit together and, and go through this way." I, I do think you have to present more options, but know that it's maybe more complicated. And people can be overweight or whatever and be healthy. It's not necessarily, uh, you know, something that's corrosive to them. But-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:40

       Well, it is though.

   28. JSJon Stewart1:03:41

       ... I don't know-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:41

       Being overweight is necessarily corrosive. It's not healthy for anybody. It's less healthy than being at an optimal weight. That's what's important. It gives you some sort of a burden. Whether that burden is sustainable is debatable.

   30. JSJon Stewart1:03:56

       Right.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:53

   I- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      bodies torn apart by wolves in, in the woods. It's a wild, wild thing out there, man, and I think we're so insulated by it in th- in our culture of today that it's one of the reasons why veganism and all these things are becoming so attractive. I would hope that along with that, we're gonna be nicer to each other, that we're gonna be, we're gonna grow to be-

   2. JSJon Stewart1:15:19

      I-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:19

      ... a kinder human race. I really-

   4. JSJon Stewart1:15:21

      That I really hope that happens too.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:22

      ... hope that.

   6. JSJon Stewart1:15:22

      Yeah, because I think it's, it's about consideration. You know, for me, I think it was, there was a certain part of consciousness that I never ascribed to animals to some extent. I mean, it's funny because I always thought of myself as, oh, I, I, you know, I love animals. I, you know, always had dogs and cats and, you know, you'd find a bird with a broken wing and you stick him in a box and two weeks later, he flies away and-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:42

      Yeah.

   8. JSJon Stewart1:15:42

      ... you're a hero. But I never really ascribed, like, individuality to them, and I think that was the change for me, was interacting in an indi- in an individual way with different-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:55

      On your farm.

   10. JSJon Stewart1:15:56

       On the farm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:57

       Yeah.

   12. JSJon Stewart1:15:57

       And, you know, I always did tell my mother, once, once we named them.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:16:00

       (laughs) Yeah.

   14. JSJon Stewart1:16:00

       But it's fun. You, you watch them, like, they're play- they'll, they'll play or they... And it, it just changed my relationship to what I wanted it to be with animals. And it, it, it just made it untenable in that moment for me, but I truly understand, like, that that has been a, a really individualized, personalized experience that, that, that I made. And like I say, I would love it for people to make that connection, because I think it's profound. There is, there is something about that connection for people that when they do see it... You know, it's funny, I'll talk about the pigs and they'll be like, "Uh, what are," you know, "They're wh- well, they just eat everything?" You're like, "No, they're really playful. They're smart." You know, you have to-

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