Joe Rogan Experience #1519 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Hello, Mike Baker. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Hello, Mike Baker.

   2. MBMike Baker0:02

      (sighs) Hello, Joe Rogan.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Brought your laptop this time, huh?

   4. MBMike Baker0:05

      Look at that. Laptop, I got a- a- a-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      You're prepared.

   6. MBMike Baker0:07

      ... pad of paper, I got a pen. Uh, what-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      There's many issues, there's many things-

   8. MBMike Baker0:10

      Thank you for my COVID test.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Oh, yeah, we needed that.

   10. MBMike Baker0:13

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:14

       We're doing them every week now.

   12. MBMike Baker0:15

       (sighs) Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:16

       I've- I've- I don't even know how many times I've been tested, but it's good to know.

   14. MBMike Baker0:20

       It's good to know. It's- it's- it's odd that you can travel across the country and find that some places, it takes you 10 days to get a response. Sometimes it takes 20 minutes to get a response. I- I- I... That's part I don't understand.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Yeah. Well, those super-duper ones they have at the White House, they can get those in 20 minutes.

   16. MBMike Baker0:34

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       The ones we have here, you can get the... Well, a 10-minute one, see, the antibody blood test will show you in 10 minutes whether or not you have an... This is the FDA-approved ones that we use here. They show you whether or not you have active antibodies, meaning a recent infection, you're probably currently fighting off the virus, or whether or not it's an old infection, so you've had the virus and beat it, and then the nose swab will say definitively if you've got it in your system.

   18. MBMike Baker0:59

       Mm-hmm. Now, if they come back during the course of this show and say that I've got it, am I quarantined in the studio, or-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Yeah, well, there, the antibody already is negative, is already negative.

   20. MBMike Baker1:07

       Okay.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       So most likely, you don't have it.

   22. MBMike Baker1:08

       Oh, good. Okay, good. Might feel better.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       There you go.

   24. MBMike Baker1:11

       Well-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       How'd you... Turn- turn this thing towards you, will ya?

   26. MBMike Baker1:13

       Yeah, yeah. Sorry.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       There you go. No worries.

   28. MBMike Baker1:14

       Yeah, that's better.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       So how do you, how do you feel about all this? Are you weirded out? Like-

   30. MBMike Baker1:18

       No.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Yeah.

   2. MBMike Baker15:00

      And, and, but the, the, the bottom line was, I mean, for, for Susan Rice, if you're just looking 'cause you're at ... You've, you've actually pinpointed the one chink in her armor, right? I can't say that anymore, can I?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      You can still say chink in your armor-

   4. MBMike Baker15:12

      Okay, okay.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      ... but you have to say it quick.

   6. MBMike Baker15:13

      Quick, okay. (laughs) You have to run right through it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      You can't say chink, one, two, three, four-

   8. MBMike Baker15:17

      Three, four-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      ... in her armor.

   10. MBMike Baker15:18

       ... in your ... Okay. So-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       It's like, you can say pussycat-

   12. MBMike Baker15:20

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       ... but you can't say pussy ...

   14. MBMike Baker15:23

       You gotta roll right through it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Yes.

   16. MBMike Baker15:24

       Yeah, okay. All right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       Yes.

   18. MBMike Baker15:25

       Um, so, uh, it ... That's the problem with her, is the Benghazi issue.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Yeah.

   20. MBMike Baker15:31

       So, uh, but look, the, the bottom line is if you don't believe that Joe Biden is likely going to be a ... The president for four years if he gets elected, right? For whatever reason. Then the VP pick is incredibly important, more so than we've had in a long time. And-

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       More so than ever.

   22. MBMike Baker15:51

       Yeah, more so than ever, yeah. And you want this to be a serious-minded individual. If you wanna hang that ... If you'd rather see him pick somebody like Karen Bass or Tammy Duckworth or someone, rather than a- a- ... than, um, someone who's had the, the range of experience, uh, within government that Susan Rice has had ... You know, again, I'm not shilling for Susan Rice, I'm just saying like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       But you, you, you would prefer her.

   24. MBMike Baker16:13

       I would prefer her just because I, I, I respect the, those, those areas that she's worked in.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Mm-hmm.

   26. MBMike Baker16:19

       I'm more focused on our position overseas, I'm more focused on the foreign policy and, and, and that sort of thing. And I realize that she's taken this hit for Benghazi. Of course she is, right? Rightly so. But, you know-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       So-

   28. MBMike Baker16:30

       This is a game-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       But why-

   30. MBMike Baker16:30

       ... of compromise.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Sure. …

   1. MBMike Baker30:00

      doing some things you disagree with vehemently, they could have also done something that helped move the country forward, did something that-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Sure.

   3. MBMike Baker30:08

      ... had extreme positive effects, so.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      Well, that's the Genghis Khan argument, you know.

   5. MBMike Baker30:11

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      He opened up trade with China in the process of killing 10 million people, he opened up trade with the East.

   7. MBMike Baker30:16

      Was he a free trader? I didn't know that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      Oh, yeah. Sure.

   9. MBMike Baker30:18

      Yeah, yeah. He's a free trade guy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       Free trade/raper.

   11. MBMike Baker30:21

       Yeah. He was your first NAFTA murderer. Yeah. Um...

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       He killed so many people they changed the carbon footprint of the Earth.

   13. MBMike Baker30:27

       Yeah. I, I saw, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       Like, the New York Times had this crazy article about it that like, he literally killed 10% of the people on Earth. But...

   15. MBMike Baker30:34

       He was an angry man.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Look, it's awful that we have history that's filled with terrible acts and deeds. Uh, but I, I don't think that, uh, removing statues of people who tried to make a difference, you know, uh, within the, the context of their, their time, you know, with Lincoln 1865, with George Washington 1700s, I mean, this is... You're, you're, you're talking about people that when they were doing this, they were the best example of humanity that you could find.

   17. MBMike Baker31:01

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       They were the best example of what we had. I mean, when George Washington was the first president of the United States, I mean, you wanna talk about a fucking radical undertaking, this crazy experiment in self-government, w- while they escaped from the, the grasp of, of Europe. I mean, it's really nuts.

   19. MBMike Baker31:19

       Yeah. And, and (sighs) again, I think there's, there's a, an element here that we, we missed the, we missed the boat, maybe again, right? We've gone through these... It's not like we haven't had protests before, you know, Black Lives Matter protests and, and over the same issues of, uh, police brutality and all that. But, um, I, I... It all falls into that same bucket from my perspective that we, we don't do the hard things, right? The hard things would have been to say, uh, from a, a local, state, and federal position, "Let's enact these different, let's, uh, do protocols that can improve policing. Let's do those things that we need to do." That's a heavy lift in a way. The easier things are, "Let's tear down the statue," right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       Right.

   21. MBMike Baker31:58

       Or, you know, find, find a way to, to, to make us feel better about ourselves without necessarily having to... And it's like this, this, uh, shell game, I think, that, that politicians sometimes play, right? That... And you see it, you saw it in Portland where, you know, "Okay, let's just placate this for a while. It'll make, uh, everybody feel better and then they will, uh, protests will die down." Right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       Well, Seattle's the best example, right?

   23. MBMike Baker32:19

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:19

       When the mayor came out and said, she called it, "Maybe it's the Summer of Love."

   25. MBMike Baker32:22

       (sighs) Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. '67, the Summer of Love.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       Uh, they have, have they totally squashed that now? Is that, that whole place brought back to the original business owners?

   27. MBMike Baker32:31

       Uh, I, you know, I, I, I don't know is the answer to that question.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:34

       (sighs)

   29. MBMike Baker32:34

       I, I do know that they've, you know, they've been looking at, how do we do, um, community-based policing? How do we defund the police and yet still have something that resembles a response to the citizens' need for security? I don't know what any of all that dribble means.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:49

       Yeah. Listen-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. No, I, I...…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      And when you're out there, y- y- you're screaming and you're fucking holding arms and you're saying, "We will overcome," you really think like you are doing something. I mean, it really does f- I'm sure it feels good.

   2. MBMike Baker45:09

      Yeah. No, I, I... A lot of this is about, you know, feeling like, I mean, y- y- you're, you're making a difference, right?

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Yeah.

   4. MBMike Baker45:15

      Even if you, even if you aren't. I don't know whether we've talked about this before, but I think one of the, the... You're absolutely right. There's... They're overwhelmed with information because we have so many more outlets.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      Yes.

   6. MBMike Baker45:24

      There's so many outlets for gathering information.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:26

      And most people are reading social media all day.

   8. MBMike Baker45:30

      All day.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      But very little else that's real.

   10. MBMike Baker45:32

       What drives me crazy is, I mean, you just do it. You can, you could spend five minutes doing it, right? Just go while you're walking around. Maybe not now because everybody's hiding in their hidey-hole, but, you know, just the, the constant with the phone, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Yeah.

   12. MBMike Baker45:44

       If people have five seconds of free time on their hands, they don't know what to do. So they get their phones. They say, "Okay, well, if nothing else, at least I look like everybody else staring at my phone." But I think one of the interesting things is with news dissemination is if you go back to (sighs) you know, the '50s, the '60s, uh, '70s, we had a, a shared moment, right? Every day, for the most part, right? Everybody would sit down at, whatever, five o'clock or 11 o'clock across the country, and you'd watch the news on one of three, basically three outlets, ABC, NBC, or CBS. And so for that moment, if you think about it, the vast majority of people who were paying attention to this were getting their, their news delivered from the same one of three sources. There was a sh- there was a commonality there. And they would, you know, process it differently based on their own experiences and beliefs, but at least there was that point of commonality. And that disappeared, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:41

       Yeah.

   14. MBMike Baker46:41

       That doesn't happen anymore.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:42

       Right.

   16. MBMike Baker46:43

       And, and I don't... You know, I don't know where I'm going with that, just banging on about it, but I find it interesting.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       There's n- There's no objective news source anymore. That's a problem as well. There's a left news source-

   18. MBMike Baker46:52

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:52

       ... and a right news source. There's no straight-up Walter Cronkite person that's giving us the facts.

   20. MBMike Baker46:58

       Well, Walter had his, had his, had his own, you know, beliefs too.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:02

       Maybe he's a bad example.

   22. MBMike Baker47:02

       Well, no, no, no.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       But he's objective.

   24. MBMike Baker47:04

       But it's, it's as close as you're gonna get to a good example, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:06

       Yeah. Yeah.

   26. MBMike Baker47:07

       You just didn't know it. It wasn't in your face, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       I would like to see someone today-

   28. MBMike Baker47:10

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       ... that tells you the real facts, you know?

   30. MBMike Baker47:12

       Well, I've said this before is if, if you... It's a cash-heavy business. If you had the, if you had the capital to set up a, uh, an outlet that simply told you what the fuck happened that day, right? And here's your news.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:05:18

   I thought you didn't…

   1. MBMike Baker1:00:00

      ... You know, they just-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      I thought you didn't want a big dog.

   3. MBMike Baker1:00:01

      Well, no, we wanted another big dog, like, to- to go with our ... Uh, the other one we've got now is Hendrix, the, uh ... He's also an idiot. I- I should've just named him Idiot, but he's- he's a ... The greatest dog who ever lived.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      What is he?

   5. MBMike Baker1:00:12

      He's a- he's a- he's a English golden retriever.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      Ah.

   7. MBMike Baker1:00:13

      Great. Oh my God, what a great dog.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      I love golden retrievers, man.

   9. MBMike Baker1:00:16

      Fantastic.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

       Marshall's the first golden retriever I've ever had and I just ...

   11. MBMike Baker1:00:19

       Yeah, he's beautiful. You had him here the last time I was here. Beautiful dog.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       I- I- I can't get over how much I love that dog.

   13. MBMike Baker1:00:24

       Yeah. They look at you with, like, everything they got.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       Yeah.

   15. MBMike Baker1:00:27

       Right? They just stare at you and they're just like, "Whatever."

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       But I-

   17. MBMike Baker1:00:29

       Uh- uh.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       When I wake up in the morning, he waits for me outside the bedroom door and then I- I ... We have this little, like, uh, routine. I go, "Good morning, sir! Good morning!"

   19. MBMike Baker1:00:38

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       And he starts going, "Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!"

   21. MBMike Baker1:00:41

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       He picks a toy up. He has to have a toy in his mouth for whatever ... You know, Goldens always wanna have something to show you their brains out.

   23. MBMike Baker1:00:46

       Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       So he's got like ... He goes and gets a ... He has a box of toys for s- he's so spoiled. He's gotta, like, a box of stuffed animals. He runs over, grabs a toy, and comes over, "Woo!"... ooh, ooh, ooh!

   25. MBMike Baker1:00:56

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       And I go, "Good morning, sir. Good morning."

   27. MBMike Baker1:00:59

       (laughs) .

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       And then, you know, usually we go work out together.

   29. MBMike Baker1:01:01

       Yeah. Yeah. Our, ours, uh, ours will spend all day out, uh, in the compound trying to catch squirrels.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       Ah.

Episode duration: 2:44:49