Joe Rogan Experience #1560 - Mike Baker

1. 0:02 – 1:19

   Fossilized walrus baculum cold open and settling into the show

   1. NANarrator0:02

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) It's a walrus dick, fossilized walrus dick.

   3. MBMike Baker0:17

      I got you. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Somebody gave it to me. Wasn't my idea.

   5. MBMike Baker0:20

      Ah. I coulda, I coulda had that information before I picked it up.

   6. NANarrator0:24

      Mike. Oh, nevermind.

   7. MBMike Baker0:25

      I'm sorry.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Check, check, check. There we go.

   9. MBMike Baker0:27

      That.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       There we go. Okay. Yeah, Steve Rinella was here yesterday, and, uh, I guess the technical term is bacula. I didn't know it was called a bacula, but that's what it is, so...

   11. MBMike Baker0:38

       (sighs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Dick bone.

   13. MBMike Baker0:40

       I've got one at home. Oddly enough, a friend of mine, who, uh, has been up in Alaska most of his life, he sent this, uh, this... It's very - it's not like this. It's, like, on this ornamental stand, and it's polished, and it looks like, you know, it looks like a piece of ivory almost. And I was like, "What the hell is this thing?" And, you know, but it was a great... It was very nice. You know, it was a gift he sent, and I, I never thought to ask him what the hell it was. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       A dick bone.

   15. MBMike Baker0:59

       Yeah, until he came to visit one time.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Are we rolling?

   17. NANarrator1:02

       Sure.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Yeah, let's just keep it from here. (laughs)

   19. MBMike Baker1:05

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Start it off with, "What, what type of animal was it?"

   21. MBMike Baker1:08

       A walrus bone.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       A walrus dick.

   23. MBMike Baker1:09

       Yeah, yeah, a walrus dick.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Was it the same size as that?

   25. MBMike Baker1:12

       No, no. This one was not as well endowed. Um, but it's shinier, the one that I've got. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Oh.

   27. MBMike Baker1:17

       It's polished.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Maybe it's older, more polished.

   29. MBMike Baker1:19

       Yeah, yeah.

2. 1:19 – 3:50

   Post‑election uncertainty: recounts, legal remedies, and the 2000 Bush–Gore comparison

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:19

      So, here we are, Mike Baker. It is Friday. The elections were Tuesday. We still don't know who the new president is, which I guess, um... I was having a conversation, I forget who told this to me, but the, uh, the Al Gore-Bush election took 45 days to resolve.

   2. MBMike Baker1:38

      Yeah, yeah. That-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:39

      I forgot that it was that long.

   4. MBMike Baker1:40

      Remember, they didn't get the, they didn't actually concede, I think, or whatever you want to call it, uh, get sort of the final count-in until, uh, 12 or 13 December, right? So, so Al Gore and his, his lawyers, uh, the DNC, they carried, you know, that in 2000, they carried that process out.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:57

      Yeah.

   6. MBMike Baker1:57

      And they were entitled to.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      Right.

   8. MBMike Baker1:58

      Just like, just like, uh, you know, in the current time if the, if the current president, if Trump wants to, uh, pursue remedies for what they perceive to be, uh, irregularities, then that, by law, you're entitled to do that. Now, you, you know, you don't want to get in the game of making spurious accusations and, and just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. So, it has to be based in something. Um, but this is not unprecedented.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      Right.

   10. MBMike Baker2:21

       And so, you know, I think people need to keep that in mind.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       I feel like there, there's part of me that feels like there's some fuckery afoot, for sure. But there's also part of me that thinks that, and this is gonna sound ridiculous, but maybe for the psyche of the country, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Biden won.

   12. MBMike Baker2:47

       Yeah, no, I, I, I see where you're going with it. I don't, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? I don't disagree, as long as that fuckery is properly investigated.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       Yeah.

   14. MBMike Baker2:57

       Right? And so, and I think it's, it's, it's pretty sweet, you know. I mean, look, you gotta be consistent, right? If you-

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       With your fuckery?

   16. MBMike Baker3:05

       With your fuckery, right. (laughs) If you've spent the past four years, uh, denying, uh, the results of the 2016 election.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       Right.

   18. MBMike Baker3:11

       Or chasing the Russian collusion bullshit, or if you're in the media and you've been, you know, just throwing that crap around about the Russian collusion and happily doing it, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Right.

   20. MBMike Baker3:21

       For the past four years. Then, um, you really don't have the moral high ground now to say that the other side can't, you know, uh, investigate, can't cry foul, can't say they've got concerns, uh, and that we should just all, as Nancy Pelosi says, "We just have to unify now." I, I mean, I love that, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       Is that what she said?

   22. MBMike Baker3:39

       Yeah, she just, she came out today-

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       (laughs)

   24. MBMike Baker3:40

       And it's just like, oh, the good thing is we're, we just, we just need to unify, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       Under who?

   26. MBMike Baker3:44

       Uh, yeah. Well, under, under-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       Under you?

   28. MBMike Baker3:46

       Under, under the pre- under the president elect, as she referred to him, or soon to be.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Yeah.

3. 3:50 – 7:03

   Divided government, Georgia runoffs, and why Senate control matters most

   1. MBMike Baker3:50

      Uh, Joe Biden. But, I, I, I see what you're saying. Um, look, I'm far more concerned, um, because I like a divided government, right? I, I wouldn't want to see one party, regardless of which party it is, have control of everything. I always think that's when shit happens or, or, or, you know, it just, things go wrong.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      Right.

   3. MBMike Baker4:10

      So, I'm, I'd be fine, right? The republic's gonna survive just fine if, uh, for instance, the Senate remains in control of the Republicans. The House, you know, it's gonna be tighter now. Look, I mean, the House, you know, Pelosi lost, uh, you know, conservatively, you know, right now they're saying five seats, but there's 10 other seats leaning towards the Republicans in a heavy way. So, she could have a, you know, a 15-seat turnaround, 16-seat turnaround. It's gonna be a very thin majority that she's gonna have. But that's fine. So, they've got the House, the GOP has the Senate. Biden, Harris, you know, they win if they win. Okay, we're gonna be just fine, right? Um, my concern is, is the Senate. If that tips over and the deciding vote is cast by, uh, Kamala Harris, because it's 50/50, then we got a problem. And I think the most fascinating thing about all of this, which is getting lost in the wash because naturally we're all distracted with, with, uh, what's going on between Trump and Biden right now, is those two Senate races in Georgia, right? It's 48-48. Um, likely we're getting Alaska, North Carolina wrapped up for the Republican side. They're gonna end up at 50. You got two seats left, right? And those are both in, in Georgia. Those are both gonna be runoffs basically, in January sometime. Because i- unless they, one of them hits the 50% threshold. If, if, what's his name, Perdue gets the 50% plus one vote, okay. Then now it's 51, uh, to the, uh, to the Republicans and they have control of the Senate still. Um, otherwise, I, you know, I think we got problems if, if the Dems end up with the White House, the (laughs) Senate, and Congress. I'm just never comfortable with one-party rule.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      No, that sounds terrible. (laughs)

   5. MBMike Baker5:56

      (laughs) For sure. My God, it does. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:57

      Well, it's just I've never paid attention to the Speaker of the House until-... until it was Nancy Pelosi.

   7. MBMike Baker6:05

      (laughs) And it seems like it's been Nancy Pelosi for 112 years.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:09

      Well, wa- wasn't, was it the Speaker of the House that was Dennis Hastert? Is that what the guy that we were talking about the other day that got, uh, uh, arrested for molesting kids?

   9. MBMike Baker6:18

      Oh, kid toucher, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       Wasn't he the Speaker of the House?

   11. MBMike Baker6:21

       Yeah. Was he Speaker of the House or was... I guess he was, yeah, for a period of time. Uh-

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       Was it?

   13. MBMike Baker6:25

       Or, or Minority Leader. Um-

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       That's crazy that that guy got to that position and then wound up getting 15 months.

   15. MBMike Baker6:31

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Here it is.

   17. MBMike Baker6:32

       Is that all he got?

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       So 1999 to 2007, so-

   19. MBMike Baker6:34

       Okay.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       ... quite a while, eight fucking years. Longest serving Republic Speaker of the House in history.

   21. MBMike Baker6:40

       Wow.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       And he was a kid fucker.

   23. MBMike Baker6:43

       And what was his sentence? His sentence was only 15?

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:45

       15 months.

   25. MBMike Baker6:46

       How's that work?

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       Yeah, exactly.

   27. MBMike Baker6:49

       Ugh.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       Exactly. How does that work?

   29. MBMike Baker6:51

       (sighs) Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       He knows where the bodies are buried.
4. 7:03 – 9:08

   Political hypocrisy, social media outrage, and distrust in institutions

   1. MBMike Baker7:03

      But I, I, I, I think... Look, my favorite, uh... (laughs) It's, it's the irony, right? It's the lack of self-awareness on both sides that I always find fascinating. Um, my favorite tweet, uh, so far since Tuesday, since the election day, uh, was after, I think it was, came out on Wednesday. Some progressive tweeted, I think I'm almost getting it word for word. "Republicans are such sore fucking losers."

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:30

      (laughs)

   3. MBMike Baker7:30

      And I read it and I thought, "Well, this has gotta be, like, a parody, right? They gotta be kidding around." And so then you have to dig in there and investigate and read everything else they've been reading or writing and, and you look and you realize, no, it's, they're serious. And then you read the thread after that and all the responses are like, "Oh, that's so true. The fuckers, they can't take a loss." And you're thinking, there is no fucking self-awareness on that side.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:51

      Well, it's, I have no respect for people that mass generalize entire political parties like that. It's so stupid. Republicans are such this.

   5. MBMike Baker8:01

      Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:02

      Like, come on. Just, just stop. I know what you do. You just, you're just spitting out nonsense. Like, that's, it's one thing if you wanna say that... I guess that, it is what you're saying on Twitter, though. The problem is it's written down, right? So you take it more seriously.

   7. MBMike Baker8:14

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:14

      But if you're just having coffee with your friend and you're like, "Republicans are such fucking sore losers." And they're like, "Yeah, right?"

   9. MBMike Baker8:19

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       Like they would say, "They are, right?" You know, but when you're saying it to the whole world, it's like you're allowing the whole world to listen in on a conversation you're having at Starbucks.

   11. MBMike Baker8:28

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       You gotta be a little bit better at being self-aware and also recognizing that you spent, if you're a, a hardcore Democrat, you spent the last four years saying Russia got Trump into power and even after the evidence-

   13. MBMike Baker8:41

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       ... comes out that that's not true, you, you're, you're in denial of that.

   15. MBMike Baker8:45

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:46

       And have never taken it back.

   17. MBMike Baker8:47

       And you've got, you've got different groups, right? I mean, and this is, again, you're right. This is, this is on both sides.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       Mm-hmm.

   19. MBMike Baker8:51

       This is right, this is left, this doesn't... It's, it's always, you know, they say, "Oh, that co- that coffee went all over the place." Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       Yeah, but I caught it.

   21. MBMike Baker8:57

       You did? No.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:58

       I did, it went over a little bit. I caught it in mid-spill.

   23. MBMike Baker9:02

       You need to... Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       Just leave some towels in here, buddy. I always spill.

   25. MBMike Baker9:04

       (laughs) Just some, leave some towels and-

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       It's a shaky time.

5. 9:08 – 10:04

   Zoom-call scandal, porn addiction, and the ‘can’t you wait 30 minutes?’ tangent

   1. MBMike Baker9:08

      ... some lotion in case, uh, yeah, we do a Zoom call. Um, just-

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:11

      I'll just... How was that?

   3. MBMike Baker9:12

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      Isn't that crazy?

   5. MBMike Baker9:13

      Wow. Who thinks about doing that on a Zoom call?

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:15

      It's not just one person that's been busted doing that, either.

   7. MBMike Baker9:18

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:18

      It's quite a few.

   9. MBMike Baker9:18

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:19

       You know what this shows you, really? How many men are addicted to pornography.

   11. MBMike Baker9:22

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       That's what it shows you.

   13. MBMike Baker9:23

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       How many men are addicted to masturbation and pornography, so much so that while they're supposed to be working during the day, they, they can't help themselves.

   15. MBMike Baker9:31

       Yeah. And you would think, though... Yeah. I mean, it, it's, that's, that's a very good point. It's just, I, I'm just, you're stunned by the idea that perhaps during a business Zoom call you could set that aside for the, for, for that 30 minutes or so.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       Yeah.

   17. MBMike Baker9:45

       But, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       I mean, uh, I wonder if they're still listening to the conversation. How does it not-

   19. MBMike Baker9:49

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       ... break your concentration?

   21. MBMike Baker9:51

       Who knows?

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:52

       You know?

   23. MBMike Baker9:52

       Some people find different things interesting. Um, so-

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:55

       (laughs)

   25. MBMike Baker9:56

       ... we're gonna run through those second quarter numbers. Oh, God. Okay.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       Something about the second quarter.

   27. MBMike Baker9:59

       Here come the second quarter numbers.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Ugh.

   29. MBMike Baker10:03

       Ugh. The logistical supply chain.

6. 10:04 – 35:00

   How vote counting works: Pennsylvania rules, observers, and ‘perception of fraud’

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:04

      What is, um, like, the status right now? It's like Pennsylvania... So here we are, first of all, uh, it's Friday, okay? The election was on Tuesday. We're, we're supposed to know who the president is. How the fuck does an Alaska know?

   2. MBMike Baker10:17

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:17

      I just read that Alaska only has 50% reported.

   4. MBMike Baker10:20

      Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it's a-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:21

      You lazy fucks.

   6. MBMike Baker10:22

      ... it's a big space. It's a big space. You gotta... It's a lot of distance to, for those, you know, sled dog teams to go with the ballots and, and-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:28

      Is that what it is?

   8. MBMike Baker10:29

      I... Well, no. I, I can't imagine that's what it is.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:32

      Someone's lazy.

   10. MBMike Baker10:32

       Right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       Someone up there is lazy.

   12. MBMike Baker10:34

       Yeah. I mean, it's got... But it is, it is funny because, okay, look, if, if you, if one side's winning two to one, uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       But there's 50% left.

   14. MBMike Baker10:42

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       You can't really call it.

   16. MBMike Baker10:43

       No, you can't, you can't call it. No, it's, that, that is... Okay. I, it's true. But yeah, so where we are is, is, uh, what the hell? It's, it's, uh, Friday and...

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:54

       It looks like Pennsylvania-

   18. MBMike Baker10:55

       You would have thought.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:55

       ... is leaning towards Biden.

   20. MBMike Baker10:57

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       Georgia's leaning towards Biden. It's basically over for, for Trump.

   22. MBMike Baker11:01

       You would... I mean, if you look at it, there, you don't see a lot of avenues, uh, for success on, on this one. I mean, look, Pennsylvania, you know, they're still saying, rightly so, it's too close to call. They've got 8,000 some odd, uh, military absentee ballots still to count. The assumption would be just like they-

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       Those would be Trump.

   24. MBMike Baker11:18

       Those would be for Trump, just like they assume a lot of the mail-in ballots in, in the Philadelphia area or Allegheny are, i- i- it will be for Biden. Um, but they have to go through that process. Now the... Pennsylvania's an interesting one, right? I mean, I... Again, uh, there's a lot of people that are, that are getting very pissy about Trump's attitude towards this whole thing. And could he be more eloquent? Could he just shut the fuck up and let the system work, right? Let his legal teams do what they're supposed to do and what they're entitled to do? Um, and just say, you know, "We just have to work through the process"? Well, yeah, he could. Of course he could, but he's not going to. But Pennsylvania's interesting because the, the, the problem up there... And maybe there's no fucking fraud. You have to... It's, it's like an investigation, right? When you do an investigation, you have to base it on...... right from the very beginning, you had to base it on facts, on something concrete, right? If you don't, you're building an entire investigation potentially on, on very shaky ground. The whole thing comes tumbling down and it's a, it's a house of shit. So, you know, it's like, uh, it's like a, a, an operation, intel operation everybody remembers or maybe not, the WMD, you know, fiasco, you know, from Iraq. The idea that, "Oh, my God. We gotta get in there because they got WMD." Well, a lot of that, you know, was, was based on one source reporting, right? Which got into the reporting chain and then got re- re- re- uh, reinvented in another report, and then got, you know, uh, self-corroborated in other reporting. And before you know it, you're confirming all the same information from originally that one source, right? Very shaky, so you're not (laughs) building a, uh, an invasion of a country on, on (laughs) solid information. So with Pennsylvania, um, if people are looking at that and going, "Oh, there's all sorts of shit going on and it's, it's, it's, it's fraud," well, you gotta step back and you gotta say, "Okay, where are the problems?" Now, there's a handful of, of issues that I think are legitimate in Pennsylvania, one of 'em being, uh, this idea that the State Supreme Court, uh, circumvented what the legislative branch in Pennsylvania said about, uh, ballots and when you can count the ballots, up until what time, uh, the post-marking on the ballots. And, and so that's a legitimate issue that probably or could end up in, in a higher court is, did the State Supreme Court in Pennsylvania have that right according to the Constitution to just... 'Cause, because the state houses in each state set the, the laws about th- th- this very thing. And you got a problem, though, in Pennsylvania because the state house is run by Republicans. Now, this bullshit about how long it's taking to count the votes could have been sorted out if a year ago, or not even that, if six months ago when we knew this pandemic was, was a problem, when we knew we were gonna get unprecedented levels of mail-in, uh, votes, if the Republican State House had said, "Okay, here's when we can start counting those mail-in votes: as soon as we start receiving 'em (laughs) ." How about that? So they could have been well ahead, you know? So it, it's, it's both, both sides have fucked this up, right? It's not one side or the other. Both sides, once again, both, you know, it's, it's, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the truth is always, uh, you know, we talked about this before, is always somewhere in the center and that's, that's true here. But anyway, Pennsylvania close to call, um, you know, this idea that they're, they're preventing observers from coming in or standing close enough, 'cause they allowed 'em in but then, you know, were they able to stand close enough to observe anything of any value, um, that should never be in question, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       So they let them in. Is this all been corroborated? This is proven? They let 'em in, but they wouldn't let 'em actually observe what they were doing?

   26. MBMike Baker14:47

       Yeah, there was delays in some districts, right? Some e- 'Cause counties run these elections and, and so some counties, you know, do it by the book and others apparently have decided they can do things a little bit differently. So, um, some, uh, they were not able to get in as far as access goes as, you know, once the vou- voting started some they weren't able to go in for the pre-vote counting or the pre-, uh, the pre-voting day counting of these ballots. Um, and others they were able to go in and they were kept maybe 25 feet back instead of, uh, what ap-

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       That's crazy.

   28. MBMike Baker15:20

       ...parently was like a six feet distance that it had been, I, I think. I'm not, don't quote me on this, but maybe a, a responsibly decided that you could be six feet away because of social distancing.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       H- how could you read it 25 feet away? That seems insane.

   30. MBMike Baker15:31

       Exactly. Some places had 'em watching on monitors, which again, is, is, is, is useless. But, uh, so and those, the, the problem there is that should never happen. You should be able to always agree, both sides, that you need, uh, campaign observers in there and they have that right to observe the counting of these things. And it all comes down to the same issue whether it's that or whether it's, um, you know, uh, counting ballots because, you know, the, or, or discarding ballots because a person's died (laughs) previous to the election. It all comes down to the perception of fraud. There may not be anything going on in this election in terms of fraud, fraudulent activity. When it, when, when all is said and done, all the investigations are done, but the damage is already done because people perceive it as, as, as, as possible. A lot of people perceive it as likely or as happening, and if you don't have a transparent system set up, right, that is easy to see, it... You've gotta be able to look at it, the, and not be told by politicians, not be told by, uh, you know, election officials or the media that it's, it's a, it's a good credible system. The, the, the voter has to be able to look at the process and say, "Yeah. Yeah, that's fair and transparent." It's like, um, it, you know, it's, it's like, uh, cover for action, right? If I'm doing a, if I'm doing surveillance on some target, right? Um, and I'm out in the middle of some, whether it's a shithole or whether it's, uh, you know, an, uh, urban center in a developed country, I have to have cover for action. I have to have a reason that is plainly obvious by passerbys or by local authorities or police that patrol the area, "Oh, I get it. That's why he's there," right? We did an op one time where, um, it was overseas. We were waiting for a target to, uh, to show up, um, and it was, uh, it was a port, right? And, uh, a lot busy, a lot of people coming and going, tourists, uh, workers, commercial workers, everybody coming and going from this busy port. And, you know, what you didn't have is you didn't have a lot of people just hanging out, right? There weren't a lot of opportunities just to hang out, so you had to, I had to have a reason, right? So what do you do? You set somebody down there with a couple of, uh, pieces of luggage and a, and a baby stroller and a baby. Um, don't ask me where we got the baby from. And you, uh-
7. 35:00 – 42:03

   Mail‑in ballot narratives, viral clips, and debunking the Wisconsin ‘100% Biden dump’ claim

   1. MBMike Baker35:00

      And so you have the perception, whether it's existing, whether it's happening or not, you have this perception of fraud. Um, look, I mean, you've got... And, and social media just, just, just pumps the shit out of this and, and causes this problem in a, a major way. You've got, uh, these videos now that are floating around, uh, Twitter and, and elsewhere, of, of ballot, uh, workers, uh, working at polling stations, uh, filling out, right? Filling out ballots.

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:25

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MBMike Baker35:26

      And so they'll, they'll just like lock in, they'll take 10 seconds of, of somebody taking a, an empty ballot, stamping it, filling it out, and then putting it in the box, then taking another one, stamping it, filling it out. And, and, and people will go, "Oh my God, they're falsifying ballots. They're just creating ballots out of whole cloth." And then that'll blast around. And before you know it, you got like, you know, 100,000 people retweeting this bullshit without investigating it. Going back to what I said before. You, you can't just... (laughs) You can't build your argument on, on shit, you know? Now, if that's a problem, fine, investigate it. But you also have to look at what are the other scenarios. Well, maybe these are all ballots that wouldn't fit through the scanner or that, you know, got kicked out. And so now what do they gotta do? They gotta put them on to a, a new ballot, run it through or whatever. I mean, th- that, that happens, right? That's, that's a thing. I'm-

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:12

      I don't understand what you're saying. If you... If someone is write... Is the person in front of them who filled out the ballot with them?

   5. MBMike Baker36:18

      No.

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:19

      Okay. So-

   7. MBMike Baker36:19

      So-

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:19

      ... if someone fills out a ballot, and there's an issue with that ballot, then you allow a worker to, to, uh, make a copy of that ballot?

   9. MBMike Baker36:28

      With ... under observation.

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:29

       Under observation?

   11. MBMike Baker36:30

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:30

       By who?

   13. MBMike Baker36:31

       Uh, by the campaign, which I, I'm not a polling expert, but-

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:33

       But that's the thing though.

   15. MBMike Baker36:34

       You know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan36:34

       Like, is it a Repub-

   17. MBMike Baker36:35

       All right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan36:35

       Like, if it's, if he's filling it out for a Republican, is a Democrat over his shoulder to make, making sure that-

   19. MBMike Baker36:39

       You're, you're supposed to have, uh-

   20. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       One of each?

   21. MBMike Baker36:41

       ... one of each. Yeah. You're supposed to have, uh ... Uh, both parties have the ability to have men there.

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:44

       They're both driving Ferraris afterwards.

   23. MBMike Baker36:46

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I say- so I guess m- my point is, whether it's that or this, you, you can't just, you can't just assume that the shit that you see ... Uh, we should- how do we not know this, right? By now, the shit that you see on social media, you should probably question it and at least do your own research and find out whether it's true before you then kick it back out or talk about it like it's gospel.

   24. JRJoe Rogan37:05

       Here's what I'm ready to talk about like it's gospel, even though I have no evidence whatsoever-

   25. MBMike Baker37:09

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan37:09

       ... 'cause people keep saying it to me over and over again, "In Wisconsin, um, of 100,000 votes came in for Biden overnight, and they were 100% for Biden. They were for no one else."

   27. MBMike Baker37:20

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:20

       Is that true?

   29. MBMike Baker37:21

       Uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan37:21

       You know what I'm talking about?
8. 42:03 – 52:14

   Mask culture and pandemic signaling: courtesy vs virtue, plus Joe’s testing protocols

   1. JRJoe Rogan42:03

      These are the same people that have like their fucking Twitter profile picture with a mask on. Hey. Stop.

   2. MBMike Baker42:11

      Yeah, it's my-

   3. JRJoe Rogan42:11

      Just stop.

   4. MBMike Baker42:12

      It's my-

   5. JRJoe Rogan42:12

      You don't have-

   6. MBMike Baker42:12

      ... it's my mask of righteousness. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan42:13

      You're ... You got a selfie with a mask on. Fuck you.

   8. MBMike Baker42:16

      Yeah. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan42:16

      You know what you're doing. That's a weird political statement.

   10. MBMike Baker42:19

       Yeah. I guess-

   11. JRJoe Rogan42:20

       Isn't it weird? I don't mean fuck you.

   12. MBMike Baker42:21

       It's ... Well, no.

   13. JRJoe Rogan42:21

       I say fuck you. I'm getting aggressive.

   14. MBMike Baker42:23

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan42:23

       I didn't, I didn't mean it.

   16. MBMike Baker42:24

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan42:24

       I'm just being silly.

   18. MBMike Baker42:25

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan42:25

       People think I'm serious sometimes.

   20. MBMike Baker42:27

       No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan42:27

       I have to be careful.

   22. MBMike Baker42:28

       No, but it's ... (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan42:31

       But he said fuck people who wear masks.

   24. MBMike Baker42:33

       Oh, my God. He's an anti-masker. Uh, look-

   25. JRJoe Rogan42:35

       Oh, anti-masker's a new thing, I think.

   26. MBMike Baker42:37

       Pfft. Yeah. I, I gotta tell you, I, I... Look, I, I, I think it's, it's a simple thing. Put on a mask. But, but you're right. There are, there are people who wear it proudly like the-

   27. JRJoe Rogan42:45

       Yes.

   28. MBMike Baker42:45

       ... the early days of adopting and, and driving a Prius, right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan42:47

       They're, they're doing it.

   30. MBMike Baker42:48

       It's the same idea.
9. 52:14 – 1:07:09

   Protests, police reform, and the dynamics of moral certainty on social media

   1. MBMike Baker52:14

      Yeah. Look, uh, one thing this whole process has, has taught me is that I find the most annoying people I, I think exist out there are, um, really, really self-righteous-

   2. JRJoe Rogan52:24

      Yes.

   3. MBMike Baker52:24

      ... progressive white people, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan52:25

      Oh my God. (laughs)

   5. MBMike Baker52:26

      Yeah. That, that demographic, right? I mean, (laughs) , the one, the one thing I could say is I can't stand that, that group, right? And, and now, again, you could say the same thing about the hard, you know, side on the oth- on, on the right, right? I mean, there's, there's just... Both those, those, those people... And they probably have more in common than we think, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan52:46

      For sure.

   7. MBMike Baker52:46

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan52:46

      It's an ideology thing.

   9. MBMike Baker52:47

      Yes, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan52:48

       Yeah. It's you, you want people to know where you stand on something, and you believe that where you stand makes you more virtuous.

   11. MBMike Baker52:57

       Yes. Yeah, that's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan52:58

       Yeah.

   13. MBMike Baker52:58

       ... that's, that's a very eloquent way of putting it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan53:00

       And you wanna kick them in the balls.

   15. MBMike Baker53:01

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan53:02

       All of them.

   17. MBMike Baker53:02

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan53:02

       You just want to run up to them, "Shut your fucking-"

   19. MBMike Baker53:06

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan53:06

       "... dirty, stinky mouth."

   21. MBMike Baker53:08

       (sighs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan53:08

       "You're annoying."

   23. MBMike Baker53:09

       Oh, my God.

   24. JRJoe Rogan53:09

       "You ruin all these good causes."

   25. MBMike Baker53:11

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan53:11

       That's the problem with all these great causes. There's, there's some amazing causes that I support-

   27. MBMike Baker53:16

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan53:16

       ... but they're also supported by twats-

   29. MBMike Baker53:18

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan53:18

       ... and these guys that are just, just the most annoying liberals, where-

Episode duration: 3:05:40