Joe Rogan Experience #1612 - Robert Bigelow

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. RBRobert Bigelow0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Hello, Mr. Bigelow.

   3. RBRobert Bigelow0:15

      Hello. Good morning.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Good-

   5. RBRobert Bigelow0:16

      Or good afternoon.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      ... afternoon. Yeah, pleasure to meet you, pleasure to get to talk to you, and I, I really appreciate you coming on here. It mean-

   7. RBRobert Bigelow0:21

      My-

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      It means-

   9. RBRobert Bigelow0:21

      My pleasure.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       ... a lot to me. Um, you and I have, uh, some shared interests, clearly, in the world of, uh, UFOs, but I wanna talk... M- most people know of you because of Bigelow Aerospace. They know that you're this billionaire investor and you're a s- very successful businessman, but you have a, a deep fascination with UFOs.

   11. RBRobert Bigelow0:43

       Yeah. Yeah, sure do.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       How did this all get started?

   13. RBRobert Bigelow0:47

       Um, back when my, uh, when I was about three years old, which would be about 1947, in actually May of that year, my grandparents had a, um, very close encounter. It was dramatic. And, um, they were taking a, an afternoon, evening drive in the late afternoon up into the mountains and then coming on back down to, to Las Vegas and they saw, um, what appeared to be at first an airplane on fire. (clears throat) And, um, i- the object became closer and closer, uh, to them and they pulled off to the side of the road and at one point then it filled up the wi- windshield and they thought they were gonna die. And at the last second, uh, it shot off and, and, uh, disappeared and, um... (clears throat) I learned of this story when I was probably 10 years old and... 'cause I was three at the time and, uh, my mother had told me this story. So I approached my grandfather and he wouldn't talk about it. Now after all these years, like seven years have gone by 'cause I was intrigued with it and, uh, (clears throat) so I went to my grandmother and she on- only would say a few words, but she wouldn't talk, so I got the story from my mom and, um, and they had... My grandfather had to sit on the side of the road there in the car for a while to, um, (clears throat) recompose himself and, uh, uh, because they thought they were, they were gonna die and, uh, and then fin- he finally was able to drive on back to Las Vegas. So that was the beginning for me.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       Did he ever describe what... Y- you said it looked like a plane on fire, but like w- what was the shape of it as it got closer?

   15. RBRobert Bigelow2:36

       I, I don't recall any kinda shape that was, that was, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Disguised?

   17. RBRobert Bigelow2:40

       ... that my mother described. I don't recall that. Um-

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       But they just knew it wasn't a plane. They knew it was something-

   19. RBRobert Bigelow2:46

       That's right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       ... something crazy.

   21. RBRobert Bigelow2:47

       That's right. So in the family, uh, you know, in the family, the family had an event and I lived right next door to my grandparents and the family had an event, um, that kinda started things at that date. For me, other personal things came later, but for the family, that was a big deal.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       So this was, you said '47?

   23. RBRobert Bigelow3:08

       '47.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       And '47 was the time of the Roswell crash, '47 was the time there was a lot of UFO activity being observed worldwide and the speculation is that this had to do with the nuclear bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and all the tests that United States had done and Russia had done and that there was a lot of interest in, in obviously in that... Well, actually Russia hadn't dropped any bombs by that time, right?

   25. RBRobert Bigelow3:35

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       It was after that, but th-

   27. RBRobert Bigelow3:37

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       ... that there was interest in our species by extraterrestrials 'cause they're like, "Oh, these crazy assholes are detonating nukes." Like let's, let's go take a look at them.

   29. RBRobert Bigelow3:47

       Right. Well, you had, uh, so-called Foos Fighters during the war, these lights that were following, uh, bombers and the tail gunners were the ones that saw the most often of course and, uh, and that happened through, through the war and then, um, and then of course Roswell, but before that was Ken, Ken Arnold, right? In about-

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   And so he was…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

   2. RBRobert Bigelow15:00

      And so he was flying over Mount Shasta or somewhere in Washington there and saw these objects, nine objects, uh, kinda s- s- skipping along in formation. And, um, he, being a, a professional pilot, was able to estimate their speed, calculate that, and, um, they were traveling way too fast for conventional aircraft. And the shape that he described was... I've always thought them, of them, um, a little bit of a manta ray shape without the tail.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:31

      Mm-hmm.

   4. RBRobert Bigelow15:31

      They had kind of a... little bit of a curve, boomerang kind of shape to, to the craft. And, um... And that, (clears throat) that got an awful lot of attention 'cause he was a very credible fellow, uh, as were other people that later, um, revealed their own sightings, military backgrounds, people with... that were... had major rank or captain rank, you know? So they had, uh, yeah, they had, uh, stories you would listen to, you know, about their experiences because, uh, uh, they were professional observers in the, in the military and, um...

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:04

      And actually, while we were out eating dinner last night, um, Dan Crenshaw sent me a text, and I shared it with everybody at the table. And it's from American Airlines pilots that saw some-

   6. RBRobert Bigelow16:16

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:16

      ... spectacular sighting-

   8. RBRobert Bigelow16:18

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:18

      ... over the last couple of days.

   10. RBRobert Bigelow16:19

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       And, uh, they're, you know, trying to figure out what the hell these people saw. But something that sped by them at some insane rates of speed and you... there's a recording of them discussing it.

   12. RBRobert Bigelow16:30

       Yeah. (clears throat) Whether it's, uh, (clears throat) abnormal or conventional, um, that should never have happened in that proximity to that aircraft.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       Right.

   14. RBRobert Bigelow16:39

       Right? So if it were an accident, that's a really bad accident-

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       Right.

   16. RBRobert Bigelow16:42

       ... to have come that close. And, uh, if it were flying in the d- in the line of flight and it sped that fast over its head, then it was really moving.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Yeah. Well, w- does a conventional, uh, commercial aircraft go 400 plus miles an hour? American Airlines pilot reports seeing UFO. An American Airlines pilot reported seeing a long-

   18. RBRobert Bigelow17:00

       (clears throat) .

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       ... cylindrical object flying right over the top of the plane as he was flying. Um, Sunday's American Airlines Flight AA2292 was operating from Cincinnati to Phoenix using an Airbus-

   20. RBRobert Bigelow17:13

       (clears throat)

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:14

       ... A320 aircraft over the northeast portion of New Mexico at 37,000 feet. During what was otherwise a routine flight, one of the pilots contacted Air Traffic Control at Albuquerque Center. He said, "Do you have any targets up here? We just had something go right over the top of us. I hate to say this, but it looked like a long cylindrical object that almost looked like a cruise missile type of thing moving really fast right over the top of us."

   22. RBRobert Bigelow17:36

       Yeah. So what's mi- missing is propulsion signature.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       Yeah.

   24. RBRobert Bigelow17:40

       Right? So they... That should have been evident that, uh, it had some kind of propulsion.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:45

       That you could see the burners. Yeah.

   26. RBRobert Bigelow17:47

       The exhaust. Some kind of exhaust was, was going on, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:49

       Yeah.

   28. RBRobert Bigelow17:49

       You would think, um, that they could detect that if it were in the line of sight, if they were... if they were behind it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       Well, that's a very short description though. I mean, maybe it did have some sort of propulsion that they s- they saw.

   30. RBRobert Bigelow18:00

       Yeah. Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   And when you mean…

   1. RBRobert Bigelow30:00

      you know, we... It was... It's been a 20-year process and, um, at first you try to, uh, try to engineer... Um, I, in fact, I... Uh, nothing about, about the origination was original with me because I became, um, incredulous about what NASA had done in the, uh, in the early '90s, uh, with the- something called the Transhab and, uh, it was a vehicle to take people to Mars. And Congress cut the funding for that. Um-And, uh, oh my god, how could they do such a thing? Because it was very apparent, apparent that, that, that craft was, uh, really cool for a lot of reasons. And so I started the company, started putting money in it and started going after that. And then after about three years, acquired, um, a license, exclusive license to use their patent for, (clears throat) just for the enclosure. No book of instructions came with it. There wasn't a manual saying, "Here's how you do this." And so we started from scratch. And we had no assistance from NASA whatsoever in, in, in arranging architectures and engineering. And then through a process of trial and error and testing and testing and testing, destructive testing, um, long duration leak tests. Uh, destructive because you had to, to try to quantify the, the strength of, uh, (clears throat) of the materials. And we were using factors much more demanding than the factors for metallics. Um, factors of four instead of metallics maybe one and a quarter or something. And, uh, uh, and (clears throat) we finally engineered envelopes that were, uh, very durable ballistically. Uh, we did a lot of what's called hyper velocity impacts, uh, uh, tests where you shoot a particle at about seven kilometers a second, six to seven, uh, depending on the type of gas gun you're using, and, uh, seeing how well the structure can defend against something going that fast. Um, actually, the defense on something going fast is easier than a particle going slower, like a bullet, for example. Uh, kinda crazy but for some reason that, that, uh, uh ...

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:31

      And when you mean defense, you mean something like micrometeors or space-

   3. RBRobert Bigelow32:34

      Yeah, actually-

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:34

      ... junk?

   5. RBRobert Bigelow32:35

      ... smaller than that, you know.

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:36

      (clears throat)

   7. RBRobert Bigelow32:36

      Maybe the size of a centimeter, uh, which is actually a big particle historically to hit something, you know, like the station or whatever. Um, I think maybe some of the solar rays have been hit by something that large but, um, so you're defending against, uh, also radiation. Um, aluminum structures are not what you wanna be inside, uh, especially for deep space missions outside of LEO, low Earth orbit. Um, and, uh, there's something called secondary radiation that, that propagates so... and background galactic radiation has heavy protons and, and, uh, um, it's, it's more lethal.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:17

      So what did you do to shield your habitats from radiation?

   9. RBRobert Bigelow33:22

      (clears throat) Well, the hull has no aluminum, uh, structure so, um... And the hull is a matrix of many layers of different kinds of materials. Um, and those materials are, um, like Kevlar, you know, or Vectran. We use Vectran, um, for the re- for a couple reasons, but it's like Kevlar. And so through a series of, of, uh, other materials in addition to, to, uh, that type of material, you start to evolve a shield. (clears throat) And the shield on a B330 overall is about 15 to 18 inches thick. And there is... uh, there are spaces in between layers, so it's not as though you compress it-

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:21

       Mm-hmm.

   11. RBRobert Bigelow34:21

       ... and it's gonna be a foot and a half thick.

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:23

       Right.

   13. RBRobert Bigelow34:23

       (clears throat) But it's those spaces that make a difference in how debris breaks up and finally just becomes dust. Or if it's too fast and too large, it's not dust. It's gonna succeed on going through.

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:39

       And when it does, is there a patch method-

   15. RBRobert Bigelow34:41

       Yeah. (clears throat)

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:41

       ... that you use to ...

   17. RBRobert Bigelow34:43

       First of all, you have to maybe locate... There could be things on the hull that are in the way because you use the hull as an attaching surface and so that volume is very useful. And, um, so assuming you've located it now, uh, and it depends on the size of the particle. If it actually was significantly large, it'd blow off whatever was attached to the hull, mean it'd just put another hole right through whatever's attached, so it'd be easier to find the hole. Uh, that's the good news. Um, bad news, the gas is, you know, your gas is escaping a lot faster. So you do have some time though in a large volume for that gas to totally escape. So then you have to make a judgment as to, uh, do you have time to create the patch? And it's actually fairly simple process because anything you put there wants to stick to the wall, right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:32

       Mm-hmm.

   19. RBRobert Bigelow35:33

       Uh, but, uh, depending on a basketball size something, uh, there's not an explosion. It doesn't go boom like a balloon. Um, it just loses gas, um, you know, your air. And, uh, so you'd probably have time to go to the airlock unless, uh, you're on the party or something.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:52

       So you'd have to escape.

   21. RBRobert Bigelow35:52

       You'd have time to escape.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       But that would be the move. You really wouldn't be able to pass through the big hole-

   23. RBRobert Bigelow35:54

       You'd wanna... Yeah, you'd wanna be able to go someplace else, you know. Hopefully you're attached to something that can accommodate whoever's on board.

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:01

       Why did this become your, uh, area of specialty when it comes to, uh, aerospace? Like, why did you invest in this? Why'd you invest in habitats?

   25. RBRobert Bigelow36:11

       (clears throat) Well, I... at first I, uh, played around with some other companies. I invested in two or three other companies in the late '90s. Um, one, uh, they were, uh, rocket plane type companies. Um, I came very close to investing in, (sighs) in, uh, what, uh, Burt Rutan was creating before Virgin came along. And, um, so I was looking for some place to go, somewhere to put capital money and, and energy and passion into something. And, uh, so I did these, these investments in these different companies, and then I stumbled on the TransHab, you know, so...

   26. JRJoe Rogan36:52

       So your initial idea was maybe some sort of commercial space travel type investment, something like Virgin Galactic or something like-

   27. RBRobert Bigelow37:00

       Yeah, I really didn't know. I think the most enticing thing was what, uh, Burt was working on. And, um... and that, the, uh, financial model for that was very attractive. Um, and, um... I think he was... of course, he's a aircraft design genius. Uh, he has so many awards, you hardly can count them. As you walk down the hallway to his office, it's like floor to ceiling plaques, you know? Yeah, got a couple extra just for souvenirs, you know, put something-

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:34

       (laughs)

   29. RBRobert Bigelow37:34

       ... you know? But, uh... and so, he's a, he's a total genius. And he, by the way, had his own UFO sighting that has stayed with him all his life.

   30. JRJoe Rogan37:44

       When... How old was he when he had-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Nope. No. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      at an insane rate of speed that's not even... it doesn't make any sense with any technology that we've ever even theorized.

   2. RBRobert Bigelow45:08

      Nope. No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      So these are, these are things that were tracked by instrumentation.

   4. RBRobert Bigelow45:15

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      So it's not this is the best instrumentation.

   6. RBRobert Bigelow45:18

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      This is instrumentation that's used by the United States military to protect the borders. This is all the real shit. So when you read things like that in The New York Times, everybody has to kinda go, "Huh."

   8. RBRobert Bigelow45:28

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:29

      "Okay."

   10. RBRobert Bigelow45:30

       And then, and then you couple that with (clears throat) hundreds of thousands or millions of other events and stories (clears throat) that have happened over the last 50, 60, 70 years, you, you think, "Oh my God, uh, we're so far behind, you know, of what else is going on."

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Right. Because we've been so-

   12. RBRobert Bigelow45:49

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       ... afraid of ridicule for so long.

   14. RBRobert Bigelow45:50

       How long is it gonna take us to get to that point?

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Right.

   16. RBRobert Bigelow45:53

       You know? And do we even understand b- even b- the beginnings of the physics of it?

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       (clears throat)

   18. RBRobert Bigelow45:58

       Because what if they're consciousness operated? You know, that's it. You don't have the right signat- mental signature, it isn't going anywhere. Nothing is coming on. You know, there's no lights. Da-da, the dash didn't light up.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Right.

   20. RBRobert Bigelow46:10

       So-

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       Sort of like when you walk up to your car, like, uh, I have a, a Ford F-150. When I get near it, it knows I'm there 'cause my f- key fob.

   22. RBRobert Bigelow46:20

       Sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       You know?

   24. RBRobert Bigelow46:20

       Sure.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       And when I touch the handle, or like a Tesla is a better example.

   26. RBRobert Bigelow46:23

       But if somebody else has your key fob-

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       Yes.

   28. RBRobert Bigelow46:25

       ... it's gonna, it's gonna light up.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       Exactly. But instead of it-

   30. RBRobert Bigelow46:28

       Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   (clears throat) …

   1. RBRobert Bigelow1:00:00

      sometimes.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      (clears throat)

   3. RBRobert Bigelow1:00:01

      They would be in that kind of a position. And, um, so did you describe everything in your drawing? Maybe not. Well, then you didn't get 100%, did you? But you- you were spot on as to where they were. You could go find that location, and that's actually where they were at that point in time. It was true. That's exactly where they were.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      So they were able to figure out where people were and they were able to get a sort of an understanding of what they were doing and how they were doing it and what their surroundings look like?

   5. RBRobert Bigelow1:00:31

      That's the tip of the iceberg.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

      The tip of the iceberg. But what was the methodology? How would a person remote view? Would they be alone in a room? Would- would- di- did they have to achieve a certain state of meditation? Like, what did they do-

   7. RBRobert Bigelow1:00:42

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      ... to- to do this?

   9. RBRobert Bigelow1:00:43

      So, um, they would be in a room, (clears throat) a- and with a- with a, uh, a control, per- controller, I forget the terminology now that they used. So the remote viewer would be there at a desk and pad and paper and- and- and there would be, um, the person sitting across as a controller. And then at the appointed time... And it depends on how these remote viewing sesson- sessions were constructed, I think. Uh, the real people that you should talk to are the guys that ran the- the programs. I'm- I'm just, you know...

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       I talked to Ed Daines. That's the guy that I talked to, the only guy.

   11. RBRobert Bigelow1:01:18

       I would recommend, uh, people like Hal Puthoff.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       Okay.

   13. RBRobert Bigelow1:01:22

       He would be a very, very good person to talk to on this.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       So how would someone learn how to do this and who figured it out initially?

   15. RBRobert Bigelow1:01:32

       (clears throat) Don't know who, um, was necessarily the first. Um, you have early players, um, like Pat Price, Ingo Swann, I think Helen Hammond, uh, Joe McMoneagle, those kinds of folks. Um, and I'm not sure the genesis of, of how it began. A lot of times things happen by accident, right? Um, and you stumble on something and say, "Oh, wow, what is, what ha- just happened?"

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       Right.

   17. RBRobert Bigelow1:01:58

       Um-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:58

       But, but it has to be some sort of a repeatable skill, like something that you could teach someone how to do, right?

   19. RBRobert Bigelow1:02:04

       Yeah. And, and (clears throat) I believe what I've been told is, is that, um, most people have some degree of abilities that are beyond the five senses. And some have more of those abilities than other people. Um, and, uh, so (clears throat) it can be taught and b- built up and developed, but some people are more predisposed to certain kinds of stuff than other people are.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

       And so how would they train people to do something like this?

   21. RBRobert Bigelow1:02:37

       (clears throat)

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

       Who, like who was the first person to figure out that they could do it, and then how do they train other people to do it?

   23. RBRobert Bigelow1:02:43

       Uh, Joe McMoneagle has a book. Um, I think he authored it back in 1993. And he had, I believe, a near-death experience about 1970-ish, '70. And, um, I mean, pe- there's li- there's a lot of literature out there on the shelves that people can buy. They can, they can get ahold of this stuff-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:03:03

       Mm-hmm.

   25. RBRobert Bigelow1:03:03

       ... without having to talk to these fellas and these people. Um, and the stories are amazing as to what they can do. So (clears throat) it's... And purportedly, um, distance is irrelevant. I mean, you could do something thousands of miles away, and that could be the target, and you can describe that target. It doesn't have to be on the surface. It can be a building. It can be inside a building. It can be inside a room. I mean, it gets, really gets strange.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:33

       And so you have actually experienced this and you are 100% on board with remote viewing. You think it's real.

   27. RBRobert Bigelow1:03:39

       (sighs) Well, I've experienced it to a re- wee extent.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:41

       Yeah.

   29. RBRobert Bigelow1:03:42

       I hired a fellow, uh, to do it twice.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:45

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:24:32

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. RBRobert Bigelow1:15:00

      Bob's... the truth or the majority of- of everything that Bob has said. I wouldn't bet against it." Uh, could there be errors on omissions for different reasons? Yeah. Sure, there could.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:11

      Mm-hmm.

   3. RBRobert Bigelow1:15:13

      (clears throat) But, um, the- the, uh, (clears throat) I- I c- I would tend to say Bob is- is legitimate, um, and, uh, you know, I don't... There are certain aspects of things that are parts of stories that you wonder, "Well, how could this happen?" And so forth. But I think if you s- if you take-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:34

      (clears throat)

   5. RBRobert Bigelow1:15:34

      ... all of the collective information and the work that George Knapp has done to validate things, it's awfully damn impressive.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:43

      But George is such an important part of it because he's a legitimate investigative journalist, and that was his career. And so he-

   7. RBRobert Bigelow1:15:49

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:50

      ... poured himself into this.

   9. RBRobert Bigelow1:15:51

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:52

       And exposed all the different aspects of this story that seemed to indicate that he's telling the truth.

   11. RBRobert Bigelow1:16:00

       Oh, yes. Yeah, and- and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:16:01

       That- that's- that's what's crazy about it.

   13. RBRobert Bigelow1:16:03

       (clears throat) And George is not any normal journalist. He is... He's like, what? He has like six Peabodys.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:16:09

       Yes, he's fantastic. So-

   15. RBRobert Bigelow1:16:10

       And-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:16:11

       He's diving into this and-

   17. RBRobert Bigelow1:16:12

       Yeah, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:16:12

       ... the more he uncovers, the more it seems like Bob LaJ- Bob Lazar story's legitimate.

   19. RBRobert Bigelow1:16:16

       Right. Right. So (clears throat) I- I think until you... I- I like the philosophy of reserving judgment until you have a preponderance of evidence that, uh, really moves you one way or another. You don't have to have 100%. I go by reasonable doubt.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:16:33

       But what was it like for you to be this guy who's had this deep fascination with flying saucers and here you are talking... Like, let me tell you my experience with Bob, doing the podcast with Bob. I wanted one of two things. I wanted to go, "Oh, this guy's full of shit." Or I wanted, "Whoa, this guy's... It seems like he's not full of shit. I think he's telling the truth. I think this guy really did encounter these aircrafts and really did work on these spaceships, whatever they are." That's what I'm... where I'm at right now. My experience with him, my communication with him, he didn't seem like he was full shit at all. He's clearly a brilliant guy. His story has not changed at all over the 30 plus years that he's been saying it. It's a crazy story. But when you're-

   21. RBRobert Bigelow1:17:20

       (clears throat)

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:17:20

       ... a person like yourself m- you saw m- even more than I, who are... is obsessed with this subject, this p- the possibility of alien life that's visitate- visited this earth and- and maybe even left crafts behind, and maybe these crafts are in the possession of some secret government agencies that are trying to observe them and back engineer them, what is it like to talk to this guy? To this... 'Cause this guy has seen the thing you're looking for. This guy, the... all the... your- your searching, and all of your wondering and staring out into the heavens, and here's a guy that has actually touched it, actually worked on it, been inside one, tried to figure out how they work, can't do it, doesn't understand it, is talking to these people. Everything's compartmentalized. You got the metallurgist people that are working on the- the- the- what- what kind of alloy this thing is made of, you got him who's a part of the people that are trying to understand the propulsion system, and then you've got people that are g- giving you this information that, like, maybe they have, uh, been here forever. Maybe this is a part of an archeological dig, maybe they've been trying to study these things for decades with no- no advancement at all.

   23. RBRobert Bigelow1:18:30

       Yeah. So we came across or, um, (clears throat) myself and a couple other people came across to folks who could collaborate some of the things going on out there, um, (clears throat) such as silent craft actually lifting off at nighttime, um, (clears throat) not looking as though the control was very good, (clears throat) but actually lifting off, maneuvering like a real small trial kind of thing. Um, and that fellow ob- observed it from a distance h- where he wasn't supposed to be. Uh, George has come up with- with collaboration, I think, from two or three other sources also, besides what Bob said about certain aspects of things out there. It's just that Bob's story (clears throat) is so much more in depth.... so much more detail, like that book, uh, that he talked about years ago coming across. Um, uh, amazing things. So-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:19:33

       So what- tell people about the book?

   25. RBRobert Bigelow1:19:35

       Well, there was a, there was a book. As I remember, there was some kind of, um, a book that Bob, um, was allowed to look through, or he actually s- or he seized the opportunity to do it when he was in a room where the book was, but I think that was by design. And it was some kind of a holographic book that as you opened up the pages, whatever the stories were became a hologram. That's my recollection of a conversation that's decades old now. So, um, um, you know, if I got it wrong, fire me.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:20:14

       Yeah.

   27. RBRobert Bigelow1:20:14

       It's, it's, uh-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:20:15

       Understand.

   29. RBRobert Bigelow1:20:15

       You know, it's, you'll have to talk to Bob about that, would ya?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:20:18

       Okay.

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