Joe Rogan Experience #1628 - Eric Weinstein

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. EWEric Weinstein0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (upbeat music) Boom.

   4. NANarrator0:16

      Salud, my friend.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Oh, mazel tov. (glasses clink)

   6. EWEric Weinstein0:18

      Na zdorovie.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Oh. Those are the only ones I know.

   8. EWEric Weinstein0:23

      Yeah?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      I don't know another, uh-

   10. EWEric Weinstein0:24

       Sherifin is eg?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       ... salute.

   12. NANarrator0:26

       L'chaim.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Mazel tov, l'chaim, uh, na zdorovie. What are th- what's the other one?

   14. EWEric Weinstein0:30

       Skol.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       It's gotta be.

   16. EWEric Weinstein0:31

       What's that? Skol.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       What's skol?

   18. EWEric Weinstein0:33

       Skol, I don't know. Is that-

   19. NANarrator0:34

       Viking.

   20. EWEric Weinstein0:35

       ... Swedish, German, something.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Is that a Viking one?

   22. NANarrator0:37

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Oh.

   24. NANarrator0:38

       Slàinte or, uh, Irish-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Use your microphone, fella.

   26. EWEric Weinstein0:41

       (laughs)

   27. NANarrator0:41

       Sl- I don't know how to say it. Slàinte, or-

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       What is that one?

   29. NANarrator0:43

       ... the Irish one.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Oh, I don't know that one.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   You notice how everybody…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Like... And he, he was hilarious. And he was just talking about how th- he likes to smell girls' feet and we were all crying.

   2. EWEric Weinstein15:06

      You notice how everybody else's attraction is weird, and whatever your thing is, it's like, "Yeah, I don't know. I'm just into it."

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Well, it was funny. I mean, it was definitely weird 'cause it's unusual-

   4. EWEric Weinstein15:14

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      ... that someone would be... It's... I don't think it's unusual that guys are into feet. I think it's a lot more usual than you think. But I think what is unusual is that he was so, uh, open about expressing the fact that he was into feet in front of a group of strangers-

   6. EWEric Weinstein15:28

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      ... in a one-minute set on Kill Tony. 'Cause Kill... Do you k- do you know how Kill Tony works?

   8. EWEric Weinstein15:33

      Not really.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:34

      Kill Tony is, uh, the foundation... It was one of the foundations in, in co-... in Los Angeles, and I think it's gonna be the foundation in Austin, of the open mic community.

   10. EWEric Weinstein15:43

       Okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       Because it gives a comic one minute. He, the... Tony has... Tony Hinchcliffe d- developed the show, and him and Brian Redban, they do it together, and Tony has a hat. They shake the hat up, and they... Or a bucket. They reach in the bucket and they pull out a name.

   12. EWEric Weinstein15:58

       Okay.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Random. And then that person doesn't know if they're gonna perform or not. There's maybe 30 people that throw their names in, and maybe five get to perform. And Tony pulls that name out, calls the guy or girl or nonbinary folk, and they come running onto the stage and they do one minute of standup.

   14. EWEric Weinstein16:15

       Got it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       And this guy did one minute of standup about how-

   16. EWEric Weinstein16:17

       On feet.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       ... he gets hard-ons because of feet, and it was just hilarious. But he was talking about the smell of, of feet, and a girl got on stage and took her shoe off and he smelled her foot, and it was just... It was preposterous.

   18. EWEric Weinstein16:31

       Okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       But it's... It gives these comics an opportunity to, like... Th- uh, on that... at that night... I think it was me and Adam Egert that night, but it's like, Donnell Rawlings has been on. You know, all... Like, you name a com-... Do- Dom Irrera's a, a favorite guest. Like, gr- great comics are on it all the time. So there's a professional guest that sits there and talks to the comics, the comic does a set, and then we'll ask them... I've done it a bunch of times. We'll ask them questions-

   20. EWEric Weinstein16:58

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       ... like, "How long you been doing comedy?" Like, "What, what... Where'd you start?" W- you know, "What town did you start out in?" And then, then th- they tell you, "What are you doing now for money?" And, you know, they have great stories, and it's, it's fun, 'cause you get a chance to see the beginnings. And some of those comics have gone on, like Ali Macofsky, who has opened up for me in fucking arenas. She started out on Kill Tony.

   22. EWEric Weinstein17:19

       Okay.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       Yeah. And so it's like you could develop a legitimate professional career from this, but it's like, a really good path for the- these amateurs to get like one minute of stage time. So they hone this one minute, hoping they're gonna get called onto the stage. And usually, like, if you're a d- halfway decent comic and you've been doing it, you know, six months, a year, you probably have a minute. You probably have a minute where you can get up there and rock it for a minute. And when they d-... Some of them are terrible, but some of them are really funny. Some of them, they've-

   24. EWEric Weinstein17:47

       What's the best way to get people opened up almost instantly with no foreplay?

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       To go on s-

   26. EWEric Weinstein17:52

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:52

       Yeah, you don't... There's no way. You know, you have just have... It's... There's a different way for you-

   28. EWEric Weinstein17:58

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       ... than it would be for Jamie, than it would be for me. Everybody's different.

   30. EWEric Weinstein18:01

       I've seen it be different for you on different nights.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Well, it's real wacky…

   1. EWEric Weinstein30:00

      Like, there's no part of the mainstream that looks at all credible to me anymore.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Well, it's real wacky now, right? And here's a, here's a wacky one where the New York Times, um, is they, th- they're debunking this idea that the Wuhan lab may have been the source of COVID when they're... like, when all these different people are talking about it.

   3. EWEric Weinstein30:23

      You've been on this for forever.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      We have been on it forever. What it's, it's, it's extraordinary is the, The New York Times is still saying debunked claims with no evidence whatsoever. You know, Saagar Enjeti from the Rising and The Hill had this whole piece about it on his, uh, YouTube channel.

   5. EWEric Weinstein30:39

      I love what they're doing.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:40

      They're the best. They're the best, because-

   7. EWEric Weinstein30:42

      Well he's got two channels. Have you been on-... either?

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      Um, well I've, I've only had him on here and Kristol together.

   9. EWEric Weinstein30:48

      Okay.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       But what I liked about-

   11. EWEric Weinstein30:48

       By the way, that was, what you guys did right at the beginning of that, where they explained what happens... I didn't mean to cut you off, but-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       That's okay.

   13. EWEric Weinstein30:54

       Um, what happens in the cycle when your team wins and your team loses, and how b- they've both broken out of that, and they've thrown that away now.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Yes. That was-

   15. EWEric Weinstein31:01

       That was-

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       That, they, they are what we need.

   17. EWEric Weinstein31:02

       That, that was 10 minutes-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Yeah.

   19. EWEric Weinstein31:03

       ... that I needed to hear, that you j- I thought you broke new, you, the three of you guys broke really new ground.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       They're what we need.

   21. EWEric Weinstein31:09

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       The, the, there's a, a reasonable person on the left and a reasonable person on the right, and they're both committed to honesty above all. Right? They might have different philosophical perspectives-

   23. EWEric Weinstein31:18

       I think they're coming together. I think Kristol's coming towards Saagar because she's seeing-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       Yes.

   25. EWEric Weinstein31:23

       ... the rot on the left. And-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       Yes.

   27. EWEric Weinstein31:24

       What my hope is, is that she's going to be, um, a credible progressive who's rejecting all this nonsense progressivism.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       Yeah. I think, I think you're right. She's very smart and so is he, and the two of them together are wonderful.

   29. EWEric Weinstein31:38

       Right. What were you gonna say-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       They're magic.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   But it's important though.…

   1. EWEric Weinstein45:00

      only use up four characters (laughs) so they don't have to do the whole thing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      But it's important though.

   3. EWEric Weinstein45:03

      We should be able... Uh, but what I'm trying to say is we should be able to say something like P-B-U-H about the whole thing that we have to say every time we wanna have an opinion-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Hmm.

   5. EWEric Weinstein45:12

      ... because it's just too expensive. The overhead is killing us.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      (smacks lips) I see what you're saying. Yeah, I, I, I, I just-

   7. EWEric Weinstein45:18

      Like all usual caveats. I, all I wanna say is, all usual caveats. And then I wanna abbreviate that, so I go, all usual caveats, and then I can get on with what I'm starting to say.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:27

      My hope is that the outrage Olympics will be exhausting for people-

   9. EWEric Weinstein45:32

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       ... and they'll eventually come out on the other end and realize that y- what's important is just be nice, just be nice and be a good person and, and, and stop bullshitting people.

   11. EWEric Weinstein45:43

       H- how long is this taking? I mean, the late '60s were over very quickly.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       The pro- well, the problem is it's weaponized.

   13. EWEric Weinstein45:50

       I know.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Right? Like, accusations are weaponized and any time something happens, you can politicize that event and, and use it to-

   15. EWEric Weinstein45:57

       But it's so effing boring. I can't stand how boring it is.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       But it's not just boring, it's dangerous, right?

   17. EWEric Weinstein46:02

       It's dangerous and... Well, this is the thing, right? It's, it's these twin... People talk about this in terms of, like, combat, you know, dangerous and boring.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Mm-hmm.

   19. EWEric Weinstein46:12

       And the... It's much more dangerous the more bored you get, 'cause mostly nothing's happening.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Right.

   21. EWEric Weinstein46:18

       And that's the thing that, uh... you know, I wrote an entire article about this with Kayfabe, which is that you, in order to get wrestling to be exciting, you had to move away from actual wrestling, and that's the origin of professional wrestling-

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       Right.

   23. EWEric Weinstein46:30

       ... is that matches would last too long and then mostly nothing would happen and then somebody'd be crippled for life.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. EWEric Weinstein46:38

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       Yeah.

   27. EWEric Weinstein46:38

       It wasn't a good business model.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       Yeah. Um, it's just we're, we're at a weird time where people are pushing narratives and, uh, and then other people are joining in because that narrative fits along with their ideology, even though they know there's some horse shit-

   29. EWEric Weinstein46:56

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:56

       ... to what that narrative is. Like, a good example is, um... Do you, are you aware of that 65-year-old woman that got beaten up in New York City?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:32

   Yeah. …

   1. EWEric Weinstein1:00:00

      she, she has an idea that somehow she's protected because she's part of this romantic-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Yeah.

   3. EWEric Weinstein1:00:07

      ... story in her own mind. And-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Yeah, I see what you're saying.

   5. EWEric Weinstein1:00:09

      ... you know, I really believe that the Viking and, like, all of it, Trump, you know, and all of this stuff, people don't feel fully alive. They don't realize we are actually attacking the Capitol Building of the United States of America.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      That they didn't realize what they were doing while they were doing it.

   7. EWEric Weinstein1:00:25

      I think the idea is we-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      I don't think that's true.

   9. EWEric Weinstein1:00:26

      ... we're in a sort, sort of live action role playing and I believe that, you know, sometimes people probably go into combat that way.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       Maybe. I think those people genuinely thought that they were patriots.

   11. EWEric Weinstein1:00:38

       Yep.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       And I also think a lot of them are genuinely not bright. There's a lot of those guys that I saw being interviewed where they were talking about why they were doing-

   13. EWEric Weinstein1:00:47

       I watched people come out of it. I watched people snap out. A lot of people were like, "The moment that I realized I was too far in," and then such and such. It was like a c-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       You get caught up in the crowd.

   15. EWEric Weinstein1:00:55

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       Yeah.

   17. EWEric Weinstein1:00:55

       You get caught up in the, in the narrative.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       But it's al- but also I watched people, like particularly that guy with the Buffalo hat on-

   19. EWEric Weinstein1:01:00

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       ... that got interviewed. That's a dumb guy. He's a, a dumb guy who is good at stringing words together with, you know, QAnon themes.

   21. EWEric Weinstein1:01:10

       You mean the guy smiling with the podium?

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       Mm-hmm.

   23. EWEric Weinstein1:01:11

       With the lectern?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of that going on. These, these are men mostly.

   25. EWEric Weinstein1:01:18

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       There, there was a few women, but men who are, uh, unexceptional that think they're exceptional because they're tied into a thing that they believe is like a movement-

   27. EWEric Weinstein1:01:28

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       ... to, uh, to, to free-... to, to, the, the, I think they just believe democracy is being served in some strange-

   29. EWEric Weinstein1:01:37

       I-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       ... fucking way.

Episode duration: 3:17:14