Joe Rogan Experience #1630 - Dan Crenshaw

1. 0:00 – 15:00

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   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays)

   2. DCDan Crenshaw0:15

      I have a theory on this place.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      This place, Austin? Go ahead. T-

   4. DCDan Crenshaw0:18

      No, your studio.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Oh, what's the theory? Tell me the theory.

   6. DCDan Crenshaw0:22

      Well, it looks like a spaceship.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yes. So here's my theory.

   8. DCDan Crenshaw0:26

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      'Cause you had this grand master plan to get Elon Musk to admit that he's an alien.

   10. DCDan Crenshaw0:31

       He's definitely an alien. But that's not correct. This was already... This already existed. This was, uh, this-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Oh, really? You bought it as is?

   12. DCDan Crenshaw0:37

       Yeah. Well, (coughs) it's a long story and I can't get into too m- many details, but this was a conference room and so we converted this c- the conference r- conference room was already circular. We converted it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       But you put this weird alien stuff on it.

   14. DCDan Crenshaw0:51

       Yeah, this stuff we put on. These are just, uh, sound deadening panels.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       So that wasn't an attempt to get Elon to admit that he's an alien.

   16. DCDan Crenshaw0:57

       No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Because... Okay, so here's how I thought you were doing this.

   18. DCDan Crenshaw1:00

       Okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       You've conditioned him over time, right? You, you, you bring him into the studio, you're drinking with him, you got him really high. Let's say-

   20. DCDan Crenshaw1:07

       I didn't get him really high. He barely got... I don't even think he inhaled.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Oh.

   22. DCDan Crenshaw1:11

       Did he inhale?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Wow. All right. Well, the rest of America thinks differently.

   24. DCDan Crenshaw1:14

       He took a little puff. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       (laughs)

   26. DCDan Crenshaw1:15

       He's just naturally high.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Well- Pot probably doesn't work on aliens.

   28. DCDan Crenshaw1:18

       But you get him, you get him comfortable, right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Right.

   30. DCDan Crenshaw1:21

       And then you put him in a situation that looks like his home base-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Maybe. Yeah. …

   1. DCDan Crenshaw15:00

      what's behind this, what I believe is an extravagant theory of the simulation. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Maybe. Yeah.

   3. DCDan Crenshaw15:06

      You know?

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      No, maybe. Look, look, I'm not married to the, the th- the simulation theory. In, in fact, um, I think it's more likely, and this is gonna get real strange. I think it's more, more likely that it's, it's an inevitable possibility rather than it's, it's a reality. I think it's an inevitable possibility. I think if we don't blow ourselves up, there's gonna come a point in time where... Did you ever see, uh, Ready Player One?

   5. DCDan Crenshaw15:28

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      Great movie, right?

   7. DCDan Crenshaw15:29

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was pretty good.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Fun, fun movie. I think that's gonna happen. I don't think that's far away.

   9. DCDan Crenshaw15:33

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       That's probably 50 years in the future where you, you're gonna be able to put on a haptic feedback suit and some sort of-

   11. DCDan Crenshaw15:39

       Sure.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       ... VR goggles.

   13. DCDan Crenshaw15:39

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       And you're gonna enter into some incredibly advanced artificial reality, virtual reality that's amazing.

   15. DCDan Crenshaw15:47

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       That's more interesting than-

   17. DCDan Crenshaw15:49

       Th- that seems likely.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Yeah.

   19. DCDan Crenshaw15:50

       That seems likely.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       Yeah.

   21. DCDan Crenshaw15:52

       And, and then it's gonna be a new, a new trick of, well, how do we prevent people from... I don't know if we can prevent people. Or h- how do we deal with this, with this obvious problem where the rate, the virtual reality becomes the preferred lifestyle, which is, it already is for a lot of people-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Right.

   23. DCDan Crenshaw16:06

       ... playing the, um, playing video games or-

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Call of Duty.

   25. DCDan Crenshaw16:08

       ... on social media-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Yeah.

   27. DCDan Crenshaw16:09

       ... or whatever it is. And, um, you know, is, is this, is this a good thing? (laughs) It does- it doesn't seem to me that it, that it is.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       My, my position is that it's a thing.

   29. DCDan Crenshaw16:20

       It's a thing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. I don't th- I don't know if anything is a g- I don't know if agriculture's a good thing.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   No. …

   1. DCDan Crenshaw30:00

      to say everybody should have access to good healthcare? Is that a wrong statement to make?

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      No.

   3. DCDan Crenshaw30:03

      No, of course not.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      I mean, I think, I think of us as a community, I think of the United States as a community, and I think if there's someone in the community that is, uh, that's hurting co- because of bad circumstance or bad fortune-

   5. DCDan Crenshaw30:16

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      ... we should be able to take care of them.

   7. DCDan Crenshaw30:18

      But the same-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      The same way we're able to keep the power grid up, the same way we're able to fix the bridges, we should be able to provide healthcare to the-

   9. DCDan Crenshaw30:25

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       ... members of our community.

   11. DCDan Crenshaw30:27

       So the question is, how do we get there?

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       But here's where I get, here's where I get conservative. I think we should also make people personally responsible for their own health.

   13. DCDan Crenshaw30:34

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       I think you should step up and say, "Hey, y- I, I want you to have healthcare based on your current circumstances, but I also want you to do the work to get your health better." And that's where I think we need to make a division.

   15. DCDan Crenshaw30:46

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       And I'm n- I'm, I'm as left as I am right, because I'm s- I'm left on so many things, but I'm right on so many things, too. Like Chris Rock said, "I'm, I'm pretty fucking conservative on crime."You know, I get- I get angry-

   17. DCDan Crenshaw30:59

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       ... when- when I- I- I see lax crime or- or- or lax, uh, law enforcement. When I- when I see, like, people not supporting law enforcement or not understanding the nature of crime or not understanding what happens when criminals realize that there is no law enforcement.

   19. DCDan Crenshaw31:16

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Like, Jesus Christ, like-

   21. DCDan Crenshaw31:17

       Incentives matter.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       It matters a lot.

   23. DCDan Crenshaw31:19

       And- and I think that's the, what you're getting at, and-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       Human nature matters.

   25. DCDan Crenshaw31:23

       And- and to- to say that incentives matter, um, it- it might be a conservative position. I think that you could also say it's a classically liberal position. You know, if I were to try to categorize you, Joe, I'd, uh, put you in a lot of classically liberal areas, where you, you know, believing in free speech and free debate and these classically liberal ideas that our country was founded on. It does seem to me now that the Republican Party's the only one defending these more classically liberal ideas. Now, in healthcare, again, this is, some- sometimes I, this is what I always say. Look, we have to ... and I think Jordan Peterson puts this the best way, about the- the balance between chaos and order and the balance between the left and the right, the left representing chaos, the right representing order. Now, it's not derogatory to say that they're representing chaos. It just means they're representing constant change.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       Yes.

   27. DCDan Crenshaw32:07

       But that's unhealthy left by itself, just like may- maybe an adherence to- to pure hierarchal or hierarchal order is also unhealthy left by itself, and so a balance is needed. But to solve the problem, to- to solve problems that you want to solve and to- and to get to the change that we, some- that we agree that we want to make, now, first we have to agree on the change. Now, in this case, we do. Everybody should have access to good healthcare.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:32

       Yeah, we all agree on that one, right?

   29. DCDan Crenshaw32:33

       Sometimes we don't agree on the change. Like, on the border, we don't agree. The left wants to go a totally different direction.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       Well, let's just talk about healthcare first.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Well, they're saving money.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      how, how do they justify that?

   2. DCDan Crenshaw45:02

      Well, they're saving money. I mean, it's-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Like, if you say ... But I understand that, but if you say, like, it costs X amount to repair an ACL surgery.

   4. DCDan Crenshaw45:09

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      If you blow your ACL out and you gotta repair it, if Medicare is only willing to pay 60% of that rate, like, what are they saying?

   6. DCDan Crenshaw45:16

      Well, the, the-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Are they saying you don't deserve any more money because it's not-

   8. DCDan Crenshaw45:19

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      ... worth that much?

   10. DCDan Crenshaw45:20

       Right. That's what they're saying. And, and this, and this-

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       But, so, is it just a-

   12. DCDan Crenshaw45:23

       ... and this, and this gets at another problem that, that, that the Trump administration fixed, was just price transparency. 'Cause, 'cause this is the other thing, nobody seems to know how much anything costs. Okay? So, so the way things, the way we price out how much things cost in healthcare is based on these formularies that are derived from CMS, which is Medicare and Medicaid.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       What's CMS?

   14. DCDan Crenshaw45:43

       Uh, uh, it's Medicare and Medicaid. It's the government organization. Um, and, and derived from private insurance. And so, that's how we sort of analyze what it costs. But, but you go ask a hospital, not all hospitals, but many, and they're like, "Well, I can't tell you exactly how much it costs." I'm like, "Well, what do you mean you can't tell me?" So, price transparency something is a rule that was imposed recently that will fix this problem and get us to this point where we can finally start shopping around. Now, some hospitals do do this, and they make a big deal out of it. They say, "Look, here's our prices. We're posting them." A lot of, um, this, um, independent, um, facilities will do this as well. This is, this is what it's moving towards. The direct primary care system that I was just talking about, that's, that's getting at that truth. Well, it's like, "Look, this is what your care costs. Here's all the services you get for 75 bucks a month." Again, it's not insurance. It's not catastrophic, but here's all the services you get. Now you have a relationship with your doctor. You never have to talk to insurance. It's just he's, he or she is there all the time. So, what do you do about insurance? Go back to the food stamp analogy. Put money in a, in a, in a health savings account and it'll allow you to choose what insurance works for you. Like s-

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       Wait, hold on. Stop.

   16. DCDan Crenshaw46:52

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:52

       When you say, "Put money in a health insurance account," w- what does that mean? Like, where's that money coming from? I don't-

   18. DCDan Crenshaw46:57

       That would, that would be ... So, that would, that would-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       So, so do you get to allocate how much money goes to, to this or to that?

   20. DCDan Crenshaw47:01

       Yeah. It would be means, it would be means-tested just like anything else.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       Means-tested? How so?

   22. DCDan Crenshaw47:05

       It means t- mean- if you're poor, you get more. If you're you, you don't get any money.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       But, uh, w- when you say the money goes into some sort of account, like, what, what ... The individual.

   24. DCDan Crenshaw47:14

       Health savings account.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       Like, the individual wants ... But the individual who wants healthcare, like, what happens if that money runs out? What if you have so many health problems? What if you're just unfortunate biologically and you have a-

   26. DCDan Crenshaw47:23

       Well, you'd be buying insurance with that, with that health savings account. So, the idea-

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       You would be buying insurance.

   28. DCDan Crenshaw47:27

       Yeah, it would, 'cause-

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:27

       So, it would be up to the individual to choose-

   30. DCDan Crenshaw47:30

       Right.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:44

   Yeah. Th- there's a,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      but forcing yourself and then getting to the bright light of success, getting to the bright light of understanding your boundaries and your limitations, and that these are flexible, and that you can expand those boundaries and expand those limitations and become a stronger version of who you are today. But people don't like that, 'cause it makes them uncomfortable. So what they wanna do is chastise all the people who are calling out for them to be better and get angry at all the people that are forcing them into a position where they have to look at themselves objectively and understand that they've got some flaws. But we all have flaws. But a guy like you, who's been through BUD/S, who's a Navy SEAL, who's wearing an eye patch for a fucking reason 'cause you were blown up, right? You're a guy who understands the real physical consequences of actual danger, real danger, and real work, real hard work, and overcoming those things. And a lot of people don't like that. They don't like being forced to acknowledge the fact that some people have experienced things that they couldn't possibly understand and they couldn't possibly comprehend.

   2. DCDan Crenshaw1:01:00

      Yeah. Th- there's a, there's a lack of perspective out there. And, um, you know, at the end of Hell Week is the most elated that any man will be, because they're get... that you, you, you end Hell Week on a Friday afternoon. You've been through hell. I mean, it's... Your body is, is swollen. It's beaten. You, you look like a bag of shit. It's, it's really, it's really impressive what we do to these people (laughs) and that they can sustain it for wha- what, uh, what is... It starts about Sunday and then ends Friday afternoon. Um, and, and you're elai-... But it, but, but people... You would think that you'd go to sleep immediately, but it's not what happens. There, there's a problem where we have to get guys to sleep.... on Friday because they have a, the, the, it's almost like they're elated.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

      Euphoria.

   4. DCDan Crenshaw1:01:45

      Yeah, there's a euphoric feeling and they won't stop talking. I would not stop talking. And then I ate like a whole tub of ice cream and then I threw it all up. It was really weird.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

      (laughs)

   6. DCDan Crenshaw1:01:52

      And it, and then you, and you don't really sleep that much anyway 'cause it, 'cause your body's really bloated so you also pee all night. But anyway, um, but yeah, so you don't sleep. So you'd think you'd be tired, but you're not because at a certain point you're just, because you get that brown shirt. So that's what happens, like if you, if you haven't been through Hell Week, you wear a white shirt. After, after, after Hell Week, you wear a brown shirt. It's a very significant thing. And, um, then you find out that, uh, the training just gets suckier and so that, that sucks. So the euphoria is, is gone ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

      (laughs)

   8. DCDan Crenshaw1:02:18

      ... after S- and then you get blown up and who knows? But, um, but that moment is special because there's value in suffering. And in today's society, we have convinced ourself that there is no value in suffering, that the entire role of, say, government is to end your suffering. But this is a false promise. Not only is it a false promise, but it w- it will create a weak society that is unable to sustain itself. That's a really important point, and I think there's, I think there's deep truth in that. This is why victimhood politics is so dangerous, and I would say populism is too. I, I, I, I, I think the two are almost indistinguishable from each other. People are always trying to talk about populism on the right and the left, and I say, "Look, well here's what populism is. It's telling you what you feel, it's mirroring your feelings back to you, it's telling you what you want to hear as opposed to the truth." So that, I, I think that's a decent definition of populism. I don't like it, I don't like people embracing it, um, it, it doesn't just mean, hey, things that are good that people are for. Well, you know what? A lot of people are for $1,600 checks that are free (laughs) . That doesn't mean it's a good policy.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:03:20

      Right.

   10. DCDan Crenshaw1:03:20

       That's a good example of populism.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:21

       Right. If people voted, if they voted and said, "Do you want $100,000 for free a year?"

   12. DCDan Crenshaw1:03:25

       Yeah, totally.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

       Mm, everybody would vote yes.

   14. DCDan Crenshaw1:03:27

       Yeah, why wouldn't you?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:28

       Yeah, it's like-

   16. DCDan Crenshaw1:03:29

       But is, but is it, uh, but is it a sustainable policy? You know, of course not.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:31

       Right, of course not.

   18. DCDan Crenshaw1:03:32

       Um, and the, the kind of amounts to the, to the, I think, drastic lurches in, you know, welfare policy or infrastructure spending and all of these things that, that we're seeing. It's populism on steroids. It's telling you what you want to hear, and that's not truth. That's not truth, and we have to get back to truth and we have to get away from this victimhood mentality where we actually, we actually elevate this idea of being helpless. See, that's what's changed. That's what's changed in the last decade. It used to be that, well, you, you might feel some shame if you were the type to, "You know what? You know what? I just, I, I need some help. I feel bad about it. I'm gonna get back on my feet, but I need some help right now." That used to be the sort of American way, all right? We, we need a safety net.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:04:13

       Yeah.

   20. DCDan Crenshaw1:04:13

       That's n- nobody would disagree with that. We, we need a safety net. We need to help people who have truly fallen on hard times, who've lost their jobs because of COVID. But does that also mean we need to provide a $1,400 check to somebody who never lost their job and whose biggest hardship has been Zoom meetings? Of course not. But over 100 million people were getting checks that never lost their jobs.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:04:31

       100 million?

   22. DCDan Crenshaw1:04:32

       Easily. It's, it's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:33

       Through COVID? Did-

   24. DCDan Crenshaw1:04:33

       It's way more. It's way more than that. I, I'm, I'm cutting it off at 100 million so I don't get fact checked.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:04:37

       Hold on. Explain that to me.

   26. DCDan Crenshaw1:04:38

       W- when we, when we send out checks, the direct cash payments, I've always been against direct cash payments.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

       So, uh, these, the COVID stimulus checks?

   28. DCDan Crenshaw1:04:46

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:04:47

       So-

   30. DCDan Crenshaw1:04:47

       'Cause they go out to anybody who makes-

Episode duration: 2:54:21