Joe Rogan Experience #1635 - Katie Spotz

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Okay. Hello, Katie. How are you?

Katie Spotz 0:16 Hi, Joe. Good.

Joe Rogan 0:16 What's happening?

Katie Spotz 0:17 Yeah, not much. How are you?

Joe Rogan 0:18 Not much at all? This is very uneventful for you. It's funny that you're nervous to do this, but yet you're not nervous to row a boat. Well, you might have been nervous. Were you nervous to row across the Atlantic?

Katie Spotz 0:29 I definitely was nervous, and I think, like, that is a good thing to be able to channel that energy to, you know, make sure bad things don't happen, but that was definitely more my comfort zone than doing something like this.

Joe Rogan 0:41 Is that the cra- ... Well, obviously it's the craziest thing you've ever done, right? I shouldn't say obviously.

Katie Spotz 0:46 Um, well, I think that, like, the last endurance challenge, it was, like, running 33 hours straight and I think that hit my physical limit more than the row did. Like, after the row, I felt like my body could probably continue going, um, but it was just, yeah, more mentally challenging.

Joe Rogan 1:06 How did you get started doing these kind of things?

Katie Spotz 1:09 Um, so I would definitely consider myself more like an accidental adventurer. So, um, I had to take a gym class to get my, um, high school diploma, and through process of elimination, I wanted to find, like, the easiest A. Because at that point I was, like, a benchwarmer and I didn't really excel in- in those team sports. So, the easy A was a walking, running class, and, um, I did the ... I signed up just, like, trying to do the bare minimum, and it was during that class where it was like, "Okay, I'm already forced to be here. I might as well try to run." And I set that target of running one mile straight, and, um, I never thought I could do that. And so when I did run one mile straight, it was probably equivalent to people who run a marathon, you know? Like, just feeling, like, really elated and that's the seed that planted all the adventures to come. It's really just that one mile and realizing that I was limiting myself by, um, what- what I thought was possible, and one mile turned into two, two into three, and that was really how I did my first marathon and every- every event was, like, started from really that place, that one mile.

Joe Rogan 2:35 So you were sort of an athletic underachiever or a not interested in athletics person?

Katie Spotz 2:41 So, uh, in middle school, I- I, like most people, did all the sports, all the team sports, and it was m- ... The focus was like, "Oh, hey, let's hang out. Let's make friends," and- and it ... My priority was definitely, like, just hanging out with friends. I didn't have that, like, competitive sense about it, and, um, once it got too competitive, I kinda checked out because I was like, "Why are you guys making a big deal about this?" Do you know what I mean? Like ...

Joe Rogan 3:09 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 3:10 When- when you see it, when, like, the parents are more invested-

Joe Rogan 3:14 Oh, yeah.

Katie Spotz 3:14 ... and you're like-

Joe Rogan 3:15 That's bad. Yeah.

Katie Spotz 3:15 ... "Settle down." Um, so when it became stressful and not fun, that's when I checked out and I didn't really have interest in that, and so, um, when it became my own, when it became something that was very internally driven and not anything other than the pure curiosity, I- I would say that, um, people who do athletic things, like, they could be driven by many things, and I would say at the core, one of the driving factors is just, like, a kidlike wonder of, like, "Can I climb a tree? Can I do this? Can I do that?" And it's, like ... I think curiosity is very underrated in that, like, it could really propel you to see what's possible, and so curiosity time and time and ag- again has, like, brought me to do things that I never imagined doing.

Joe Rogan 4:09 Do you still think back to that first mile, like completing that first mile and that elation, that feeling of elation where you were like, "Oh my God." Like, a new door's opened?

Katie Spotz 4:21 All the time. Like, some of my friends now that, like, I'm more in ultrarunning, it's like w- w- ... We'll- we'll hear ourselves. I mean, I'm- I'm not exempt from this, but saying things like, "Oh, it's just a mile," or, "Just five mile," or, "Just a marathon," or, "Just ..." Whatever you wanna adjust it, but, like, I still don't feel like I've lost sight of that because, I mean, I know this is kind of harsh, but, like, sometimes I say to my friends, like, "Well, tell that to someone who can't walk." Like, i- it really is worthy of celebrating every step, every mile, and so, um, I- I mean, yeah. I think there's, like ... (sighs) It- it's just one achievement opens the door to o- other ones, and so, yeah, I definitely, um, don't feel like I've lost that sense and I think that's important to keep just so it ... I don't know. It keeps you in that humble state rather than expecting that just because you did it, you can in the future.

Joe Rogan 5:23 Yeah, it- it really is interesting how people are limited by their own- their previous experiences and what they've sort of established as their boundaries.

Katie Spotz 5:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:31 And then you see them expand past those boundaries and then just ... It changes them.

Katie Spotz 5:35 Totally.

Joe Rogan 5:35 It changes who you are.

Katie Spotz 5:36 I mean, like, one of the things that I'll get now is, like, "Oh, I could never run a marathon," and my first thing is like, "Oh, which ones have you tried?"

Joe Rogan 5:46 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 5:46 And of course they're like, "No, I've never tried," and I'm like, "Well ... "... there you go. You actually have to try and if you haven't tried, then you really don't know if that's truthful that you can't run a marathon. So, um, yeah, I think we get in our own ways more than, than anything else. And I'm not saying, like, (sighs) you know, there, it was ... My first mile running was very, like, not graceful. It was like, basically, I was like, "I wanna get this over with as fast as possible." So I was completely winded. I didn't know how to pace myself, and like, um, I don't know the whole, like, reason behind it, but it's like you have that metal mouth.

Joe Rogan 6:29 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 6:29 Do you know about that?

Joe Rogan 6:30 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 6:30 It's like when something ... I don't ... Do you know the science behind that?

Joe Rogan 6:35 I don't.

Katie Spotz 6:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:35 But I know it's like there's like a metallic-

Katie Spotz 6:37 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 6:38 ... thing in your mouth?

Katie Spotz 6:38 Yeah, it almost tastes ... And it's because, like, you're pushing almost, like, too hard and it's like bursting something in your, your, your lungs, but yeah, so, so clearly-

Joe Rogan 6:49 Is that what it is? Really? It's bursting something in your lung?

Katie Spotz 6:50 I think so.

Joe Rogan 6:51 Maybe it's blood-

Katie Spotz 6:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:52 ... because blood does have sort of a metallic-

Katie Spotz 6:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:53 ... copper-like taste to it.

Katie Spotz 6:55 Yeah. Anyways, I didn't know how to pace myself-

Joe Rogan 6:58 Oh, so you went-

Katie Spotz 6:58 ... because stuff like that (laughs) would happen to me-

Joe Rogan 7:01 Oh.

Katie Spotz 7:01 ... like, "Oh, okay."

Joe Rogan 7:02 So you went too hard too fast.

Katie Spotz 7:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:03 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 7:03 And that's not what endurance is about, so.

Joe Rogan 7:06 No, it's about steady.

Katie Spotz 7:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:08 Right?

Katie Spotz 7:08 Totally. Like, um, yeah, like understanding aerobic and anaerobic and, like, just basically being able to talk the whole time and-

Joe Rogan 7:17 Right. So you start off with this first mile-

Katie Spotz 7:20 Yeah, I do.

Joe Rogan 7:20 ... and then you eventually work your way up to all these challenges.

Katie Spotz 7:23 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:24 And then eventually, you decide, "I am gonna row across the Atlantic Ocean by myself."

Katie Spotz 7:33 Yeah. So, okay, so the row. Um-

Joe Rogan 7:35 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 7:37 ... I was on a bus, right? And I was, like, talking to someone sitting next to me, and we were talking about endurance challenges and, um, I was a stubborn, know-it-all 19-year-old. So, of course, I was like, "Oh, I've heard it all. I know people climb Mount Everest. I know people sail around the world. I know about all these things." And then he mentioned his friend rowed across the Atlantic, and that was, like, that just stopped me in my tracks. Like, "What? Like, people can do that?" Like, I'd never ... It was so far beyond anything I ever imagined, and, um, I think, like, with endurance, what's so cool about endurance is, like, at a certain point, everyone's body hurts, right? So what makes endurance, like, a really cool experience is seeing how the human will and how, like, determination and how a strong mind, like, you ... It's a requirement because everyone, no matter how fast or slow you are, is going through that, that mental wall. And so, um, yeah, I found out about ocean rowing, and I was really captivated not only by, um, that mental component because, like, if you do a marathon, you go home, you take your shower, you, um, you have people cheering you on, but, but ocean rowing, you're stripped raw of that. And, and something about that was intriguing to me because it's like, okay, how can you dig deep internally when you don't have the, you know, the finish line, um, you know, whatever, uh, party and, like, the swag and the people and the nice co- cozy bed. And I just kind of, I liked that idea of, like, being so stripped raw that you have to dig deeper than you ever would if you didn't have all those other externals. So yeah, I found out about it on a bus. I went home and went and Googled everything I could about ocean rowing, and it was at a time where I did my first ultra-marathon, so it was like 100-kilometer run or 62 miles, and it was, again, one of those moments where I was like, "I never thought I could do that," and my body proved otherwise. So what are all the other things that I'm saying I can't do but maybe I can? So, it was really that information at that particular time where I was, like, really open to the idea of, "Wow, maybe it is possible." But, um, it was a matter of, like, researching everything. It wasn't like, "Oh, I gotta do this." It was, "Oh, I gotta find out everything." Because, I mean, if someone told you, "Oh, someone rowed across the Atlantic," wouldn't the first thing be like, "Is that really true?" Like, so, I mean, uh, that was the first place I, I looked, like, are people legitimately doing that.

Joe Rogan 10:37 How much time was it between you finding out about it and you actually doing it?

Katie Spotz 10:40 Two years.

Joe Rogan 10:41 That's not that long.

Katie Spotz 10:42 No. No.

Joe Rogan 10:44 Did ... What kind of training did you do?

Katie Spotz 10:47 Um, so, like, physical training, like, compared to doing, like ... I've trained for, like, Ironmans and then trained for adventures, like physi- purely physical to, like, these more adventure-type things. And, like, training for an Ironman, 90% is, like, what you're doing in the gym. For ocean rowing and for, like, the more adventure-type, um, athletic pursuits, I would say that, like, 90% was, like, the logistics. Like, you could be the most fit person in the world, but if you don't have a boat, what does it matter? Like, so I spent most of my time just, like, sorting out through all the logistics, the sponsorship, getting the gear, training with the gear. But, um, yeah. Like, my training priorities for rowing and ocean were, um, injury prevention, so I did a lot with, like, strengthening my core and my lower back, and then on the weekends is when I would do, like, a six-to-eight-hour row, training row, just to get, more to get used to the boat and the equipment more than anything else. But-

Joe Rogan 11:54 And you would go on a lake? What-

Katie Spotz 11:56 Lake Erie.

Joe Rogan 11:57 Lake Erie?

Katie Spotz 11:57 Yeah. Yes.

Joe Rogan 11:57 Now, how fast do you go on this boat?

Katie Spotz 12:02 Uh, like-... maybe I would go, like, 30 miles a day.

Joe Rogan 12:07 No, no, no, how fast, like, per hour?

Katie Spotz 12:09 Uh, three, two or three miles.

Joe Rogan 12:11 Two or three miles per hour?

Katie Spotz 12:13 So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:13 So basically, like, the speed of walking.

Katie Spotz 12:15 Yeah. So, um, my boat was a 19-foot rowboat. It was, like, 400 pounds, but once it was fully loaded, it was 1,000 pounds. So it did have, like, a sliding seat-

Joe Rogan 12:31 There it is.

Katie Spotz 12:31 Yes. Okay, so, um, I, I had a sliding seat, so that meant that, like, my legs and my back were the main source of, like, power. But, um, I think the best, like-

Joe Rogan 12:46 You mean a sliding sea- seat, like a rowing machine?

Katie Spotz 12:48 Uh, exactly. So, like-

Joe Rogan 12:50 So that helps you?

Katie Spotz 12:51 ... it, it, it means that, like, the power was coming from the most powerful parts of my body, not my arms. So some people assume, like, "Oh, it's just your upper body. It's just your arms." But in fact, it's more your legs and back. But, um-

Joe Rogan 13:05 So this thing's going two or three miles an hour.

Katie Spotz 13:07 Correct.

Joe Rogan 13:07 And how many miles is the Atlantic Ocean? How many miles across?

Katie Spotz 13:10 3,000.

Joe Rogan 13:11 Oh. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 13:11 Or th- yeah, 3,000, so-

Joe Rogan 13:13 Jesus Christ. Oh my God.

Katie Spotz 13:15 Don't think about it.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Oh.

Katie Spotz 13:16 Just don't even think about it.

Joe Rogan 13:18 Oh my God, that's so far. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 13:20 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:22 That's so far.

Katie Spotz 13:24 It was the worst reaching the halfway point, just because, like-

Joe Rogan 13:27 How long did it take you the whole trip?

Katie Spotz 13:29 70 days.

Joe Rogan 13:30 70 days?

Katie Spotz 13:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 That's not that bad-

Katie Spotz 13:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:33 ... when you think about it, how far you went.

Katie Spotz 13:35 Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, I, I anticipated it would be 70 or 100 days, and so-

Joe Rogan 13:40 Oh my God, that's a big gap.

Katie Spotz 13:42 ... I had 30 days of extra food and some-

Joe Rogan 13:45 Oh, that's good.

Katie Spotz 13:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:47 Was anybody monitoring you?

Katie Spotz 13:49 Uh, I had, like, a tracker so people could, like, look online and see where I was. Um, but there wasn't, like, a follow boat or anything like that.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Oof.

Katie Spotz 14:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:00 What were those nights like?

Katie Spotz 14:02 It was pretty amazing. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah?

Katie Spotz 14:04 So, of course the stars were amazing, like shooting stars and just, like, yeah, breathtaking. And then what surprised me, like I thought it was, like, "Wait, um, is this real? Am I hallucinating?" But the, the, I think the most stunning part was actually looking in the water because they had, like, um, this type of glowing plankton, so it was, like-

Joe Rogan 14:25 Oh, yeah.

Katie Spotz 14:25 ... a phosphorescence. So sometimes I would see things glowing in the distance, and then all around my boat, um, any time my oar hit the water, like, I would see all of that. And-

Joe Rogan 14:37 Wow.

Katie Spotz 14:38 Yeah. Like, I was so busy planning the trip and the logistics that I didn't know, like, what wildlife I'd see. And so that was definitely, like, a pleasant surprise to, to see that.

Joe Rogan 14:49 That must've been really crazy.

Katie Spotz 14:50 Yeah, have you ever seen?

Joe Rogan 14:52 No. No, I've seen it on video.

Katie Spotz 14:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 14:54 See if you can find video of it.

Katie Spotz 14:55 Um-

Joe Rogan 14:55 What is it called?

Narrator 14:56 Bioluminescence.

Katie Spotz 14:56 It's bioluminescence, but there are, like, Puerto Rico is probably the closest place to here that has really good bioluminescence too. Like ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:08 So that, it really looked like that?

Katie Spotz 15:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Like that, that bright blue?

Katie Spotz 15:11 Around my boat, yes.

Joe Rogan 15:11 That's amazing.

Katie Spotz 15:13 Very trippy.

Joe Rogan 15:15 That is so wild.

Katie Spotz 15:16 But, um-

Joe Rogan 15:16 Wow, look at that.

Katie Spotz 15:16 Yeah, so I could put my hand in the water and, um-

Joe Rogan 15:21 Did you take any photos or film it or anything like that?

Katie Spotz 15:23 I did have some, uh, film and, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:27 Of this?

Katie Spotz 15:27 Sometimes I ... no, like, you can't, uh, really take good ... I mean, yeah, I didn't have really good-

Joe Rogan 15:36 Bioluminescence photos?

Katie Spotz 15:38 (laughs) Um-

Joe Rogan 15:40 God, look at that shore. That's insane. Now, you said the stars.

Katie Spotz 15:45 The stars were amazing, yes.

Joe Rogan 15:47 Like, how amazing?

Katie Spotz 15:49 I mean-

Joe Rogan 15:49 There's no pollute- light pollution at all, right?

Katie Spotz 15:51 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I mean, it, it, in some ways it felt like I was just, like, living this National Geographic experience of, like, you know, I had dolphins come right up to my boat. I had-

Joe Rogan 16:03 Oh, really?

Katie Spotz 16:04 Um, yeah, yeah. Like, uh, I think it was, like, the fourth way mark, I was like, "I wanna celebrate." And, um, my way of celebrating was very limited. It was like, "Oh, am I gonna have two Snickers bars?" Like, there's not really a w- anything other than what I had, but this pod of dolphins surrounded my boat and were doing, like, flips and tricks and, like-

Joe Rogan 16:25 Really?

Katie Spotz 16:26 ... right at that moment that I was reaching it. So yeah, the, the dolphins and sharks and birds and, um, I even had, like, fish following right underneath my boat. Like, because barnacles would grow. It was like I h- on, on the side of my boat, I would, um, scrub 'em off, but sometimes they would just keep following my boat. So every time I, I, I named them Ed, Edd, and Eddy, but I had, like, three dorados that would keep following, and birds that came on my boat. And-

Joe Rogan 16:58 Wow.

Katie Spotz 16:59 Yeah. I didn't think that there would be that many birds out there, but ...

Joe Rogan 17:04 Yeah, how are they getting out there? (laughs)

Katie Spotz 17:05 I don't know. I didn't ask, but-

Joe Rogan 17:07 Man, I think they, I think some birds can actually fly-

Katie Spotz 17:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:10 ... right across the ocean-

Katie Spotz 17:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:11 ... which is pretty amazing. Yeah.

Katie Spotz 17:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:14 So the dorado, that's a dolphin fish, right?

Katie Spotz 17:16 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 17:17 They were-

Katie Spotz 17:17 And they're-

Joe Rogan 17:18 Th- they were hanging out under your boat?

Katie Spotz 17:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:19 Those are delicious.

Katie Spotz 17:20 Yes.

Joe Rogan 17:20 That's a mahi-mahi.

Katie Spotz 17:21 Yep.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 17:22 And then I had a lot of flying fish. That was another-

Joe Rogan 17:26 Oh.

Katie Spotz 17:26 ... unexpected thing, like, to constantly be hit by them.

Joe Rogan 17:29 Oh, really?

Katie Spotz 17:30 Especially, like, morning and, and, like, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:33 Did they ever-

Katie Spotz 17:34 Dawn and dusk.

Joe Rogan 17:34 ... wind up inside your boat-

Katie Spotz 17:35 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:36 ... where you had to chuck 'em back in?

Katie Spotz 17:36 Yeah, and I would wake up just because they would fly into the cabin and, like, yeah. Flying fish.

Joe Rogan 17:44 Wow.

Katie Spotz 17:45 Have you seen flying fish?

Joe Rogan 17:46 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 17:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:47 Yeah, I've seen 'em in the wild.

Katie Spotz 17:48 It's kinda cool.

Joe Rogan 17:48 It's really cool. What did you eat?

Katie Spotz 17:51 Uh, so, um, everything had to be light just because I was pushing it, so I had, like, freeze-dried meals-

Joe Rogan 18:00 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 18:01 ... um, which aren't like the MREs that have liquid in it. So-I had a desalinator, so I would convert the salt water into drinking water.

Joe Rogan 18:10 Really?

Katie Spotz 18:11 Yeah. Which is crazy because I was doing that journey to raise money for clean water, and yet I had a better source of water than a billion people. So that was just like... Yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 18:24 So this desalinator, I did not know-

Katie Spotz 18:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:27 ... that they had a portable desalinator that's that small.

Katie Spotz 18:29 It was... So I had the main desalinator which works by reverse osmosis, and there were two solar panels that powered all the electronics. And, um, I had a handheld one, which fortunately I didn't have to use that, but that would take two hours to pump the water that I need. And then as-

Joe Rogan 18:48 For the whole day?

Katie Spotz 18:49 Correct. And then as my third option, I did also have wa- like ballast water that I could refill with salt water so it would help maintain the self-righting capability, because that was another thing. This rowboat wasn't like something you get in Dick's Sporting Goods. It was like, um, self-righting, so that meant that even if I had big waves, that it could flip and would flip back over again because of the design of the boat, and then the ballast water helped with that self-righting capability.

Joe Rogan 19:17 So your ballast water was fresh water, just in case-

Katie Spotz 19:20 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 19:20 ... of a chance that you needed water-

Katie Spotz 19:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:21 ... you can get that-

Katie Spotz 19:22 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:22 ... and replace it with salt water.

Katie Spotz 19:23 And then like the last week of my journey, I started e- just using the ballast water because it was easier and I knew I was about to finish.

Joe Rogan 19:31 When you say, um, you replaced it with salt water, did you have containers that you would take the ballast water out and put it into some sort of a, a drinkable container?

Katie Spotz 19:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:42 And then-

Katie Spotz 19:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:43 ... 'cause you would have to get it all out and then put the salt water... You can't mix it, right?

Katie Spotz 19:47 Correct. So I had my own, like, water containers but they were in these like, I think it was like a platypus-type water-

Joe Rogan 19:54 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 19:54 ... containers, so yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:58 So who planned this stuff out for you as far as like the construction of the boat and the ballast water and all that jazz? Did you have to design all this yourself, or?

Katie Spotz 20:06 So I was fortunate because I was able to buy it used, so there was-

Joe Rogan 20:14 Oh.

Katie Spotz 20:14 ... another-

Joe Rogan 20:16 Somebody quit. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 20:16 (laughs) No. But-

Joe Rogan 20:17 Someone made it a third of the way across.

Katie Spotz 20:18 But he, he made it. His name's Paul Ridley, and he did it, um, a year before me. He's-

Joe Rogan 20:24 Oh, so he actually did it.

Katie Spotz 20:25 He made it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:26 How many people have done it?

Katie Spotz 20:27 Uh, I mean, I don't know. I know there's more people that have been to the moon. Um...

Joe Rogan 20:34 Really?

Katie Spotz 20:36 Uh, there's not a lot of Americans. Most of the ocean rowers are from like the UK. But, uh, for solos, I don't know, a few 100? Uh...

Joe Rogan 20:49 Wow.

Katie Spotz 20:50 Yeah. So the only other Amer-

Joe Rogan 20:53 Wait a minute, few hundred people haven't been to the moon.

Katie Spotz 20:56 450?

Joe Rogan 20:57 To the moon? No. In space.

Katie Spotz 21:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 21:01 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 21:01 I know there's not a lot.

Joe Rogan 21:02 It's a small handful-

Katie Spotz 21:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:04 ... that have been to the moon, allegedly. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 21:08 (laughs) Are you next?

Joe Rogan 21:11 No. (laughs) Now, when you're, um, getting this from this guy who's done it-

Katie Spotz 21:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:16 ... did he look at you and go, "Katie, don't do it."

Katie Spotz 21:19 Um, I think he was so excited to have someone lined up to buy it because there's not many-

Joe Rogan 21:24 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 21:24 ... people who wanna buy it that it's like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:25 Imagine you put that on eBay. (laughs) Hey-

Katie Spotz 21:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:29 ... who wants to go across the fucking ocean by yourself?

Katie Spotz 21:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Uh, I did it. Wanna buy my boat? You'd have to be a fan of his maybe.

Katie Spotz 21:36 Would you ever row across an ocean?

Joe Rogan 21:38 No, I would not, Katie.

Katie Spotz 21:39 Are you sure?

Joe Rogan 21:39 Thank you for asking.

Katie Spotz 21:40 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 21:40 Yeah. No. I don't have that kind of time.

Katie Spotz 21:42 Oh. But there's like, there's... You have your whole life in front of you.

Joe Rogan 21:48 Hmm. Hmm.

Katie Spotz 21:49 No?

Joe Rogan 21:50 No.

Katie Spotz 21:50 You... Well, what, what's one thing that you do wanna do before, like you know?

Joe Rogan 21:54 I'm n- That's not appealing to me.

Katie Spotz 21:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 21:56 People like you are appealing to me. People-

Katie Spotz 21:58 Oh.

Joe Rogan 21:58 ... that do things like that, you're very appealing.

Katie Spotz 22:00 Well-

Joe Rogan 22:01 I like talking to you.

Katie Spotz 22:02 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:02 I don't wanna do it. I get it.

Katie Spotz 22:04 Oh.

Joe Rogan 22:04 I know it's gotta be mind-bending and very, very difficult.

Katie Spotz 22:08 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:09 I'm very aware of that.

Katie Spotz 22:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:11 That's an enormous amount of time.

Katie Spotz 22:12 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 22:12 70 days? I have three jobs.

Katie Spotz 22:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 I've no desire to take 70 days off of any of them.

Katie Spotz 22:18 Okay. All right. Well-

Joe Rogan 22:20 But I get it. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 22:24 (laughs) Yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Joe Rogan 22:28 But you-

Katie Spotz 22:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:29 You're interesting because when I said, when you said that to me, "Would you do it?"

Katie Spotz 22:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:34 ... then all of a sudden you, you're like probing, you're like looking into my brain. You, you wanted to see what's going on in my soul, I could tell. Like, you're like, "Would you do it?" Hmm.

Katie Spotz 22:44 (laughs) Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Maybe you're a quitter.

Katie Spotz 22:45 No, it's just like-

Joe Rogan 22:47 Maybe, maybe you wouldn't do it-

Katie Spotz 22:48 No.

Joe Rogan 22:48 ... 'cause you don't have the courage.

Katie Spotz 22:49 That's not, that is definitely not true, because most people who do want to do these things, do you know what the limiting factor is? Well-

Joe Rogan 22:56 What?

Katie Spotz 22:56 ... the perceived limiting factor.

Joe Rogan 22:58 What is it?

Katie Spotz 22:58 Because i- there's always a way or there's always a limit, right? Like, so money can be a limiting factor for a lot of adventurous things and-

Joe Rogan 23:08 Sure.

Katie Spotz 23:09 ... I've, I've, I th- I hope that when people like see some of the things I've done, they are encouraged and know you can do things on a shoestring. You don't have to, um, you know... But, and that's just, yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 23:22 Well, there's also taking 70 days off work.

Katie Spotz 23:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:25 That's, that's very difficult for a lot of people to pull off.

Katie Spotz 23:27 That's true.

Joe Rogan 23:28 It's hard for people to get a week off work, right?

Katie Spotz 23:30 Yeah, yeah. But you could look at it a different way, like-

Joe Rogan 23:32 How old are you, Katie?

Katie Spotz 23:34 33.

Joe Rogan 23:34 How old were you when you did it?

Katie Spotz 23:36 22.

Joe Rogan 23:37 So when you were the- when you were young and you, like -- d- what were- what were you doing for a job when you did this?

Katie Spotz 23:43 So I just graduated from college and I was working for a nonprofit for a year beforehand, so I was planning this during my senior year.

Joe Rogan 23:52 So did you stack some money aside?

Katie Spotz 23:55 Um, so I ... There's no way I would have been able to do it without sponsors.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Oh.

Katie Spotz 23:58 So there were some, uh, Cleveland companies that were able to partner up. And, um, the purpose behind it, there's definitely a purpose behind why I do what I do, and that's always been water. And, um, so there were also some companies that shared the- the vision and passion that, you know, everyone on our planet should have clean water and there's ways to- to do that. So, um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:25 We do some work with, uh, Fight for the Forgotten.

Katie Spotz 24:27 Okay.

Joe Rogan 24:27 It's my friend Justin Wren's organization. Do you know who they are?

Katie Spotz 24:30 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 24:30 They build wells for the Pygmies.

Katie Spotz 24:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 24:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 24:33 Yeah. He's, uh ... He's a pretty amazing guy. He's been going over there for years and he spends months every year over there in Africa building wells. And he's immeasurably helped the lives of countless people over there.

Katie Spotz 24:46 Yeah. It's amazing, like-

Joe Rogan 24:48 Just something that we just take for granted, like here, water. Right? It's right there on the table.

Katie Spotz 24:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:52 You might drink it, you might not. We might throw it in the sink.

Katie Spotz 24:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:56 Mm.

Katie Spotz 24:56 Yeah. I ...

Joe Rogan 24:58 Delicious water.

Katie Spotz 25:00 I mean, that is one thing that is very universal.

Joe Rogan 25:02 It's crazy that some people don't even drink it. You know John Daly, the bo- the golfer?

Speaker 25:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:07 I was watching an interview. You know who he is?

Katie Spotz 25:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:10 I don't golf, but he's a famous golfer, famous for being a guy who just gets hammered all the time and he smokes cigarettes, but he's a really good golfer.

Katie Spotz 25:17 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 25:17 Just a big fat guy who doesn't take care of himself, but he does not drink any water at all. And they did an interview with him and they said, uh, "How much Diet Coke do you drink a day?" And he said, "Somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 large Diet Cokes a day." So he goes to McDonald's-

Katie Spotz 25:36 Ew.

Joe Rogan 25:36 ... and he gets those extra large-

Katie Spotz 25:39 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 25:39 ... things of Diet Coke. He says, "McDonald's has the best fountain drinks." (laughs)

Katie Spotz 25:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:44 But he says he hates water. He doesn't drink any water. I'm like, "Wow." If you were thirsty, like there ... what is it? (laughs) It's 16, 26 to 28 cans of Diet Coke a day. "Now I have 10 to 12 at most. I only smoke two packs of cigarettes a day, not three, so I'll be all right." (laughs)

Speaker 26:04 That's just 17 terrible-

Katie Spotz 26:05 Oh my God.

Speaker 26:05 ... pieces of health advice from John Daly.

Joe Rogan 26:07 (laughs)

Speaker 26:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:08 He's quite a character.

Katie Spotz 26:10 Like, what about his teeth? His teeth can't be good with all of that.

Joe Rogan 26:13 Oh, well, I- I don't know. It's a good question. Look, he's out there with a cigarette in his-

Katie Spotz 26:16 I hope he has a g-

Joe Rogan 26:17 ... mouth ... Look at his stomach.

Katie Spotz 26:18 ... dentist.

Joe Rogan 26:20 1991 to 2017. He's- he's fat now, but still a really good golfer. That golf is a- such a strange game, you know. You can make a living as an athlete and not even be remotely athletic or in shape or even healthy.

Katie Spotz 26:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:34 You just have to be able to do a few moves.

Katie Spotz 26:36 Yeah. There are some sports you can get away with.

Joe Rogan 26:38 Not rowing across the ocean, Katie.

Katie Spotz 26:41 Yeah, well, I mean-

Joe Rogan 26:41 How many cigarettes did you smoke while you were rowing across the ocean? (laughs)

Katie Spotz 26:44 I definitely did not smoke 28 cigarettes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:48 (laughs) Um, but- but- but water. So water-

Katie Spotz 26:50 Water, yes.

Joe Rogan 26:51 ... is ... That's what you were doing it for.

Katie Spotz 26:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:53 You were doing it to raise money.

Katie Spotz 26:55 Correct. Yeah, so ...

Joe Rogan 26:56 What- What's the organization?

Katie Spotz 26:58 Um, right now I'm working with an organization called H2O for Life, and they partner with schools here in the United States to help schools, uh, get clean water all around the world. And, um, what's also really cool about them is they create service learning opportunities for schools here. And I think that c- that ... You know, sometimes when I'm involved with clean water, it's like, "Well, what are you doing here?" And H2O for Life does do things here to help kids feel part of something bigger, to help kids develop empathy and concern and care for other people. So I think what they do is pretty unique in that they can both help others outside of the United States and both help fill that need for kids here to feel part of something. So the row raised 150,000 for water projects, and then through all the different Adventures, it's been about 400,000.

Joe Rogan 27:57 That's awesome.

Katie Spotz 27:57 Yeah. It is really cool to, like, see the impact. And, um, I keep tabs on that, the different projects. And, um, right now it's 20,000 people that have gotten clean water through Adventures and, um, yeah. I mean, it really doesn't take much to help with clean water. And, um, I- I ... Yeah. I ... You could support ... I mean, there's so many great causes to get behind. Um, what's also encouraging about clean water is there are solutions. It's not this unknown, it's not this, um, we're putting money into research to figure out if it will work. There are, um, wells, bore holes, rainwater harvesting. There's so many different solutions tailored to the communities that, um, that- that- that work, so ...

Joe Rogan 28:52 So what made it ... L- like, when you were thinking about doing this, what made clean water ... What made that the thing you chose to- to have as your main charitable organization?

Katie Spotz 29:02 So I was living in Australia and they were experiencing a ... like, a- a pretty significant drought. And Australia is very developed, it's, um ... And to see the major headlines, to see the rules like, "Oh, you can't water your- your grass right now. You can't wash your car right now," and just to see that happening in somewhere so developed, it had it in the back of my mind, like, "Wow, water isn't that something that should be taken for granted and it isn't just this unlimited resource." And so I was studying environmental science and I remember one of my professors mentioned that the wars of the future would be on water. Like b- ... And- and in some countries it's already the case. And-... to me, that was kind of like that one sentence that I couldn't unlearn, I couldn't stop thinking about, and it just hit me at, at a core of, like, that is so wrong. And I th- uh, yeah, I was 19 or 20 and, um, at that point, I felt like I had a, like a, a little bit, because of traveling, like, I had a little bit of a sense of what was going on in the world. But to know at that point one in six people didn't have clean water, I was like, "Wow, I didn't even know about one-sixth of our planet and what their daily struggle is." And, like, the fact that it's a problem that has a solution and it's something that, like, I don't know what c- cause could have as big as i- impact as water, because you think, like, okay, if you, what, what can you live without? Um, you can't even survive three days without, without water so, um, and just, like, thinking about health, half of the hospital beds are filled because of unsafe drinking water. If you think about environment, if you think about education, um-

Joe Rogan 30:59 Half of the hospital beds in the world? Is that what you mean?

Katie Spotz 31:02 Yep. And like-

Joe Rogan 31:04 Really? Half?

Katie Spotz 31:04 Yeah. Like, um, the, for children in the world, the greatest killer is diarrheo- diarrheal disease and that is because of unsafe drinking water, and that is, like ... I, uh, there's this documentary that came out recen- well, within the last year called, I think it's Brave Blue World, and Matt Damon, um, shared something at the, at the beginning about, like, imagine that right now we find the cure for all childhood cancers, and then imagine in 50 years from now these kids are still dying from this very cancer that we have a cure for, and that is what's happening with clean water. And I mean, if you, it just, I don't know, it still boism my, boils my blood just, like, thinking about, like, how wrong it is. And when you, when you see how wrong it is, I mean, I, I feel like, of course, I would want to support that and, and do something. And, like, when I s- first started learning about it, I was, I, the first water project I, um, was able to fund was in Haiti, and I was learning about how some places they don't even name, give their kids a name until they're five years old.

Joe Rogan 32:18 Oh.

Katie Spotz 32:18 Because w- okay, so who is affected by the water crisis? Women and children. Children, their bodies aren't strong enough to withstand and to fight back all the, um, bacteria and, and the, like, viruses and all the, um, things-

Joe Rogan 32:35 Parasites.

Katie Spotz 32:35 Yeah, exactly. So, so they won't-

Joe Rogan 32:38 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 32:38 ... even give their kids names until they, they think they'll be able to, to live, right? So, like, just thinking about that is like, these are, these are real people, like, these are, I don't know, I, I-

Joe Rogan 32:50 They're real people today.

Katie Spotz 32:51 Yeah. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 32:52 Yeah, this is not real people 5,000 years ago.

Katie Spotz 32:54 No. And, like, just the idea of not even giving your child a name because of that fear of, like, they might not even live so you don't even wanna get, like-

Joe Rogan 33:03 My friend Lex, Lex Fridman?

Katie Spotz 33:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:05 He's a, a scientist that works with, um, artificial intelligence. He posted something on his Instagram. It's, uh, yesterday. It's a crazy statistic about, um, children and infant mortality from, uh, uh, believe it was 200 years ago. Look at this. In 1800, 43% died before the age of five. Today, it's 4%. Just imagine that.

Katie Spotz 33:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:31 And that was all over the world.

Katie Spotz 33:32 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:33 43%. But that's not the case everywhere.

Katie Spotz 33:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:39 Obviously. If you're not naming your kids, it's probably, uh, a, that's probably where the gap is-

Katie Spotz 33:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:45 ... 'cause it's not 5% of American children die before that age.

Katie Spotz 33:49 Yeah. So, yeah, water has, has always been something that, um, has given me hope, just seeing that there, there's, there's definitely real change is possible with it.

Joe Rogan 34:03 It also seems like it's financially possible.

Katie Spotz 34:06 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:06 That w- you're not talking about giving everybody diamonds.

Katie Spotz 34:08 Correct. Like, um, I mean, with these water projects, it's not just, uh, clean water. Like, that's the pretty part, but, like, they also need, like, latrines. And so most of these charities that are working to solve the water crisis are not just doing water. They're doing, um, sanitation and hygiene education. So on average, it's, like, about, I mean, it depends, like, rainwater harvesting is a lot cheaper than building wells. And so, um, but on average it's, like, $50 for one person to get clean water, so it's, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:45 For their life?

Katie Spotz 34:46 Um, depending, like, it's hard to-

Joe Rogan 34:49 $50?

Katie Spotz 34:49 At least 10 years though for most of the water projects.

Joe Rogan 34:55 God, that seems like a hurdle that's so easy to get over.

Katie Spotz 34:58 Correct.

Joe Rogan 34:58 For the ... Yeah.

Katie Spotz 34:59 Yeah. So, I mean-

Joe Rogan 35:01 There's just not a financial incentive for people to do it. That's what it is.

Katie Spotz 35:04 Yeah, I mean, it, it's kind of like i- it's not because there's a lack, like, the solution is there. It's just, like, the motivation to, you know-

Joe Rogan 35:15 Right.

Katie Spotz 35:15 ... put resources and energy towards it. But, um, I've definitely felt very encouraged just seeing how many people have been supportive and, and, um, yeah, I mean, just-... yeah, it's, yeah, you could say, like, "I raised this much," but truthfully, it's, I witnessed the generosity of others who believed in- in a similar thing that- that I did.

Joe Rogan 35:41 When you say that, obviously children, but why- why are women more affected by it than men?

Katie Spotz 35:46 Um, because it's their responsibility to go and collect the water, so on average it's like four miles every single day that they have to go, and it's not just the fact that it's a long walk, but when you're coming back you're carrying the, um, jerrycans, which could be 40 pounds. It could also be dangerous. They could be attacked, there could be wild animals, so, um, they are the ones who are responsible for collecting it.

Joe Rogan 36:11 And the men are out hunting or something?

Katie Spotz 36:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:14 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 36:15 And, um, also, like, for females, um, if there aren't any, like, um, latrines, like once they hit puberty, um, and they're having their menstrual, uh, cycle, they will just not go to school anymore because they don't have a way to, you know, take care of themselves, so women and children are definitely the ones who are affected the most.

Joe Rogan 36:41 Mm.

Katie Spotz 36:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:42 Well, all in all it's poor people.

Katie Spotz 36:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:45 And this, uh, organization has been around for how long doing this?

Katie Spotz 36:50 Um, H2O For Life, over a decade? Yeah. So they have partners in the field building- building all the different projects and, um, there's been maybe 40 or 50 projects that were funded through all the different adventures, and then I have been able to, uh, visit some of them in Kenya and South Africa, um, after the fact, after the projects were built and... yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:19 Now how do you, like, how'd you get connected with them and what... how does it work? Like, does- do your sponsors pay X amount per what happens when you complete this? Like, how does that work?

Katie Spotz 37:31 Um, so for the row there were corporate sponsors that helped pay for the cost of the event, and then I did things like sponsor a mile, um, sometimes, like, I'll do work with Rotary Clubs. They've been super supportive and a good partner on hosting different events.

Joe Rogan 37:49 I don't even know what a Rotary Club is, but I know that word.

Katie Spotz 37:52 Oh. Okay. So there's 30,000 Rotary Clubs all around-

Joe Rogan 37:54 Do you know what it is?

Katie Spotz 37:55 ... the world.

Joe Rogan 37:55 What's a Rotary Club?

Speaker 37:56 Sort of. Uh, my dad used to be in one, but I... it's like a group of guys that meets and hangs... it doesn't have to be guys, a group of people that meets, have lunch, talk about business sort of stuff.

Joe Rogan 38:05 That's what it is? 'Cause it's one of those things-

Speaker 38:07 In the neighborhood, sort of, like community.

Joe Rogan 38:08 I... until this moment in my life I've never even thought what's a Rotary Club.

Speaker 38:12 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 38:13 Oh, well, let me tell you. (laughs)

Speaker 38:14 They sponsor may- I know the name of... yeah, she knows more probably than me.

Katie Spotz 38:17 Um, so Rotary Clubs you probably have seen their signs, like, "Oh, we're meeting every Tuesday at 8:00." Uh, so it's usually, like, leaders in the community get together once a week and they do local and global service projects. So it's a- it's a service organization. Um, so there's your local one, then there's districts, and then they meet for, like, global conferences, but, um, basically, yeah, their- their focus is how can we make our community better local- locally and globally. And so we've partnered on different, like, fundraisers and, um, and then... so- so there's partnering with schools, partnering with ro- rotary clubs, and then part of, like, whenever I do speaking, I do it in return for donations to the cause, and then finally, um, some corporate sponsors will do, like, a matching fund challenge, so whatever other individuals raise, they'll match that. So it's definitely, like, seeing who's interested and who's also passionate about it, but there's definitely never been, like, this is how it's always been. Like it's kind of, um, working with w- what interests of others that- that, um, yeah, also want to do something.

Joe Rogan 39:35 So you had a series of sponsors?

Katie Spotz 39:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:38 And you have a series of sponsors for all your adventures?

Katie Spotz 39:41 Usually, yes. Yeah. Like some of my, like, smaller adventures were more like on a shoestring, um, but-

Joe Rogan 39:49 How do you go about acquiring these sponsors?

Katie Spotz 39:52 Um, (sighs) so a lot, like... because especially for my first adventures, um, I didn't... that wasn't my network. Um, it was a lot of, like, cold- cold calling and just looking for companies that I thought would also, um, share that- the- the same vision, but, uh, yeah, it... really just like sending emails or s- asking to set up meetings but, um...

Joe Rogan 40:24 So you do it all yourself?

Katie Spotz 40:26 I do, but of course, like, no one ever does anything by themselves. Like everyone's always supported.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Sure. Sure.

Katie Spotz 40:33 But no, I don't have like a agent or anything like that.

Joe Rogan 40:38 Seems like you should.

Katie Spotz 40:40 I don't... I'm... I mean, I... maybe. I don't know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:44 (laughs) But it seems like y- these things that you're doing, especially the rowing across the ocean, it's pretty high profile, right? It feels like someone can get involved and sort of boost your signal.

Katie Spotz 40:55 Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm open. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 40:59 Are you gonna do something else crazy?

Katie Spotz 41:01 Um, I definitely feel called to do... like, so, with ocean rowing, um, most people go from like one island to another because you're right within the trade winds, so i- it takes about 100 miles offshore until you're right in those trade winds. And so, um, I was very intentional about the row and going mainland to mainland, and the reason behind that is just because, um...I have always thought it would be so cool to go around the whole world by human power. Like, um, and when I, you know, when that idea came or whatever, uh, I, I basically said, "Okay, so what's the hardest part? What's the part you're most likely to fail?" And if you're going around the whole world, the row is the part that you're most likely to fail. Half of the people do, um, and it's the most expensive and I would never want to go on this around the world trip and then fail at the last, like, leg, you know. And so that, that was always, like, the original vision of just like going completely around the world by human power and, um, I think realistically it would be done in legs so, um, I would like to do the next leg which would be cycling from where I landed in South America, so I landed in Georgetown, Guyana, um, and then cycling from South America to North America and that would take probably about a year. But, um, yeah, so that was always, like, something but it's not... The reason I haven't done it is because I have a lot of other things that I've done and am doing that I'm, I'm interested in and I always thought, like, a journey like that is something that you could do much older and like, um, because, like, there's a certain kind of fitness you need for an Ironman versus cycle touring. Um, you really, like-

Joe Rogan 43:10 You're not racing.

Katie Spotz 43:11 Correct. And like, I kind of wanted my 20s to be more racing and more pushing. Like, I, I really enjoyed doing Ironman after Ironman after Ironman and, and just like feeling fast and like, the more I do endurance, the l- I'm losing that speed and so, um, it's kind of like a balance and so I, yeah, I think the around the world trip certainly would be something I'd love to explore doing. Um, I am also aware that like for endurance, being in my 30s is probably the best for recovery so although I think people could cycle around the world in their 60s and 70s, um, I think I would enjoy it more now just because of that r- ability to recover and like, sleeping in a tent and dealing with all like, the, um, climate and, um, just kind of living wild like that but, uh, yeah. Yeah, that would be one of the, like, challenges that I could see pursuing in, probably in legs rather than just doing the whole thing because it would be like three years.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Now when you (sighs) th- think about doing something like that-

Katie Spotz 44:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:25 ... do you get concerned about your safety?

Katie Spotz 44:27 Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, like I, uh, of course. Like I, I don't do these things because I don't, like have concern. I definitely was concerned about the ocean and I think that's why I spent so much time, like researching it and asking all those questions and looking at what were the backups and take, I, I definitely took it very seriously and took those risks very seriously but, I don't know. Like-

Joe Rogan 44:56 Did you encounter any hairy moments while you were out there?

Katie Spotz 44:59 Yeah, I had like 30 foot waves at-

Joe Rogan 45:02 Holy shit.

Katie Spotz 45:03 Yes. But-

Joe Rogan 45:05 30 feet is a lot.

Katie Spotz 45:06 Yes, it is.

Joe Rogan 45:07 What's this, what's this roof? Maybe- Eight? Maybe 10. 10?

Katie Spotz 45:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:10 May- maybe. 10. Okay. Three times- The most. ... the size of this roof.

Katie Spotz 45:15 But let me-

Joe Rogan 45:15 Fuck that.

Katie Spotz 45:16 Okay, but here's the thing about that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:20 (laughs) You're in a little row boat.

Katie Spotz 45:22 But-

Joe Rogan 45:22 30 foot waves is crazy.

Katie Spotz 45:23 These boats are designed for it.

Joe Rogan 45:25 I understand.

Katie Spotz 45:25 So it's kind of like what's the point of having this fancy boat if you don't get to see the full possibilities and capabilities of it. So-

Joe Rogan 45:33 You're kinda crazy. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 45:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:35 I understand what you're saying.

Katie Spotz 45:37 Like, I could have been in a re-

Joe Rogan 45:40 Right.

Katie Spotz 45:40 ... like ranky tank kayak-

Joe Rogan 45:41 Right.

Katie Spotz 45:41 ... at that point if I didn't. Like, so when you row an ocean you're not like, "Hey, what's hurricane season? Let's go." Like, I wasn't out there when... So I worked with a, a weather guy and, um, we knew that it could be like that so I had a backup like place. So, so here's what happened. I was about to land. I had these big waves and then I was like, "Oh no."

Joe Rogan 46:06 You were about to land? So was it the end?

Katie Spotz 46:07 Yeah. Correct. And it-

Joe Rogan 46:09 Oh my goodness.

Katie Spotz 46:09 ... it's known because it's like the continental shelf so it jumps from being thousands of feet deep to, to pretty shallow so it, it's known to have these like waves and winds and it's just known for that kind of thing so I had an option of landing there but I would need a boat to tow me in, um, because I could crash into cliffs or crash into something because it's so impossible to be precise when you have those big waves so that's kind of, that's where the detour happened. So I ended up two countries west of my original destination because I didn't want to tow. Like-

Joe Rogan 46:48 Mm.

Katie Spotz 46:49 How terrible would that be?

Joe Rogan 46:50 Tow would've sucked.

Katie Spotz 46:51 Yeah. Like, oh here I did it. Not- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:53 If you, if you didn't have to get towed would you go back and do it again?

Katie Spotz 46:56 Uh: (sighs)

Joe Rogan 46:57 You might have to, right?

Katie Spotz 46:57 I don't know. I don't know. I don't even want to think about that. Like so that's, yeah. That I, I mean, that's not solo.

Joe Rogan 47:04 No.

Katie Spotz 47:04 You got that?

Joe Rogan 47:05 No.

Katie Spotz 47:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Yeah. See, I think you'd do it again.

Katie Spotz 47:08 Or I would just go from where they pick me up and then-

Joe Rogan 47:13 Mm, that seems lame.

Katie Spotz 47:14 I know but (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:17 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 47:17 It doesn't seem-

Joe Rogan 47:18 Says me, a guy who's not even willing to go across a lake.

Katie Spotz 47:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:21 Don't listen to me.

Katie Spotz 47:23 Maybe some day. You never know.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Maybe not. How about that?

Katie Spotz 47:25 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:27 (laughs) How many Ironman have you done?

Katie Spotz 47:31 Five.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Does it bother you it's an Ironman not an iron person?

Katie Spotz 47:35 No, it doesn't.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Why is it Ironman if you're, you're doing it?

Katie Spotz 47:38 I don't know. You wanna-

Joe Rogan 47:39 Seems weird.

Katie Spotz 47:39 You sh- you should ask them. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 47:41 Seems kind of weird.

Katie Spotz 47:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:42 And I'm not even one of those people.

Katie Spotz 47:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:44 You know, that complains about that kind of shit? But why does it have to be Ironman if like all sexes can do it?

Katie Spotz 47:50 I don't know. But like ...

Joe Rogan 47:51 What if you're non-binary?

Katie Spotz 47:53 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 47:54 What if you're asexual?

Katie Spotz 47:55 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 47:55 What if you're like a zur, and you're like, uh, (metal clanking) "I'm just an iron thing. I'm an iron they." (laughs)

Katie Spotz 48:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:02 Why don't they just call it iron they? No, doesn't sound as good.

Katie Spotz 48:06 (laughs) Um-

Joe Rogan 48:07 It's a problem, right, if you're a woman. Like, if I was a guy and I was competing in an Ironwoman Championship, I'm like, "Yeah, I took third place in Ironwoman." They'd be like, "Why are you in a woman's contest?"

Katie Spotz 48:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:18 Well, it's open for everybody. They just call it Ironwoman. What the fuck is that?

Katie Spotz 48:23 Yeah. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Right? Wouldn't you?

Katie Spotz 48:26 I don't make these rules.

Joe Rogan 48:26 Now that you're thinking about it. Someone should start attacking them on Twitter, and they would change their name.

Katie Spotz 48:31 It's possible. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:34 (laughs) Well, they're changing so many names because of, uh, you know, social justice warriors, uh, attacking people. What was it? There was a recent one that they're changing. They're changing the word man.

Katie Spotz 48:46 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 48:46 They're taking the word man out of something. Goddamn it, I forget what it is.

Katie Spotz 48:50 I mean, what would we have to call it, so we would call it ... It's not Ironman or what?

Joe Rogan 48:55 Ironhuman.

Katie Spotz 48:55 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 48:56 What's wrong with Ironhuman? That has man in it too, by the way.

Katie Spotz 49:00 Uh, um-

Joe Rogan 49:01 Human.

Katie Spotz 49:01 Because it doesn't sound ...

Joe Rogan 49:04 As good?

Katie Spotz 49:04 No.

Joe Rogan 49:05 Why? It sounds dope. I like it better.

Katie Spotz 49:07 It sound-

Joe Rogan 49:07 Ironhuman.

Katie Spotz 49:07 It's not as punchy.

Joe Rogan 49:09 Oh. Ironman's more punchy?

Katie Spotz 49:11 I don't know, like sometimes when things are shorter.

Joe Rogan 49:13 Hmm. I get it. I get it. Yeah. Still.

Katie Spotz 49:17 I mean, there's things in this world that are definitely worth changing, and I would like to-

Joe Rogan 49:23 Guess not one of them?

Katie Spotz 49:24 ... focus on water. But if you want to take that one up-

Joe Rogan 49:26 Right. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 49:26 ... I'll, I'll focus on water. You focus on that one.

Joe Rogan 49:28 I'm gonna row across the ocean to get rid-

Katie Spotz 49:30 (laughs) For-

Joe Rogan 49:30 ... of the name of Ironman.

Katie Spotz 49:31 Ironman.

Joe Rogan 49:32 Change it to Ironhuman. No. Uh, just saying.

Katie Spotz 49:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:37 How many have you done?

Katie Spotz 49:38 Five.

Joe Rogan 49:38 Wow.

Katie Spotz 49:40 You know they make them longer too. There's like ... They like make them, I think, three times as long.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Oh, really?

Katie Spotz 49:47 Yeah. That's a thing.

Joe Rogan 49:49 That's ridiculous.

Katie Spotz 49:50 Yeah. I, um ... The longest I've like biked once was like 375 miles in 24 hours.

Joe Rogan 49:57 Whoo.

Katie Spotz 49:58 And the longest I've run is 138 and I think that's it. Like, I don't think I would like to go any further.

Joe Rogan 50:04 My buddy Cam, he does a lot of them. Cam Hanes, he's done the Moab 240-

Katie Spotz 50:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:08 ... and the Big Foot whatever this Big Foot two... It's like 205 or something like that.

Katie Spotz 50:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:13 The Moab 240's a three-day-

Katie Spotz 50:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:16 ... three-day jam.

Katie Spotz 50:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:18 And they're t- They're trying to do something even crazier.

Katie Spotz 50:20 Yeah. They ... I, I, I believe it.

Joe Rogan 50:22 I don't know.

Katie Spotz 50:23 I mean, they're ... I have seen like 200 is the new 100.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Yeah. These people are out of their fucking minds.

Katie Spotz 50:29 I mean-

Joe Rogan 50:29 He's got a son doing it now. Yeah. He's crazy.

Katie Spotz 50:34 I, I-

Joe Rogan 50:34 Son Truett.

Katie Spotz 50:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:35 He's ... I think Truett's like ... He's in his early 20s. He's, he's the kid that broke Goggins's chin-up record.

Speaker 50:42 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 50:42 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 50:43 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 50:43 Was he mad about that?

Joe Rogan 50:44 Son, son's a savage too. Was Goggins mad?

Katie Spotz 50:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:46 No. He loves it.

Katie Spotz 50:46 Is he gonna try to break it again?

Joe Rogan 50:48 I'm sure, I'm sure he'll break it, break ...

Katie Spotz 50:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:49 Who broke his? Yeah. He has to. I think another guy holds ... Goggins held the world record, and then, um, Truett broke Goggins' record, but I don't believe that was the world record anymore. I think there was another guy-

Katie Spotz 51:01 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 51:01 ... who broke the world record.

Katie Spotz 51:03 Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 51:03 Phew. Yeah.

Katie Spotz 51:03 So it's like a little hot potato.

Joe Rogan 51:04 It's an insane amount of chin-ups. It's like thousands of chin-ups.

Speaker 51:08 54-year-old Mark Jordan.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Oh, Jesus. He's older than me?

Speaker 51:11 420.

Joe Rogan 51:13 Let me see what this savage looks like. That's insane.

Katie Spotz 51:17 So since you-

Joe Rogan 51:17 Jesus Christ, look at the build on that man. See, that's an even bigger problem, right, because that guy has to carry all that weight. Like he's heavier. 'Cause when you look at, um, Goggins or Truett-

Katie Spotz 51:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:29 ... they're smaller guys. Like, Goggins is, uh ... Is that Truett there?

Speaker 51:33 I think so. Maybe.

Joe Rogan 51:35 Yeah. I don't know if that's Truett.

Speaker 51:39 No, it's not. No, this is 2017.

Joe Rogan 51:41 No. Okay.

Speaker 51:41 Five most pull-ups in one minute, sorry, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:42 See, savages keep breaking it.

Speaker 51:44 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 51:44 I think what's interesting-

Joe Rogan 51:46 That guy's jacked though, that's what's nuts, so how thick that dude is.

Speaker 51:49 4300 actually it says.

Joe Rogan 51:51 Oh. That's so much.

Speaker 51:52 4321 in 24 hours.

Joe Rogan 51:54 That's so much. Oh my goodness. That is so much. Texas man.

Speaker 52:00 Yeah. Corpus Christi.

Joe Rogan 52:01 Mark Jordan. Shout out to Mark. Yeah, usually they're not that muscular, 'cause that's ... He's carrying around ... I'm sure he's got muscular legs too. Carrying around a lot of weight.

Katie Spotz 52:11 So-

Joe Rogan 52:11 It's easier for slimmer people to do chin-ups.

Katie Spotz 52:14 I have a question.

Joe Rogan 52:15 Okay.

Katie Spotz 52:16 Um, so since you like meet all these people that do fit things-

Joe Rogan 52:21 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 52:21 ... who is a person that you've met or like a record that you admire or ... I don't know. Like the coolest.

Joe Rogan 52:31 The coolest?

Katie Spotz 52:32 The coolest human feat.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Hmm.

Katie Spotz 52:35 The person who you have the most respect for for doing ... I don't know. Like-

Joe Rogan 52:39 Maybe you, Katie.

Katie Spotz 52:41 No.

Joe Rogan 52:42 Might be.

Katie Spotz 52:42 No. Can't be.

Joe Rogan 52:44 Why?

Katie Spotz 52:44 Because there's so many cool things.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Well, you d- What you did is pretty cool. By yourself alone in the ocean for fucking days and days and days and days and days and days and days with phospholuminescent water and the stars and dolphins are playing with you. What you did is pretty fucking cool.

Katie Spotz 53:03 Well, thank you.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Pretty cool. You know? That's, uh, that's up there.

Katie Spotz 53:09 Okay. But what's the ... What's, what's, you know, what's up?

Joe Rogan 53:12 Um ... Eddie Izzard impressed me the most because what he did, he had zero training and he wasn't in shape and he's a comedian. He just did it on pure will. And he, he's done multiple ones of these, but I shouldn't say he anymore because now he wants to be called a she. She. I'll just call him her, Eddie.

Katie Spotz 53:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Eddie ran the entire length around the UK.

Katie Spotz 53:41 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Yeah. And but with zero training. And they documented it in a documentary. I mean, Eddie's feet were falling off. I mean, the skin was just completely removed.... and it was, it's, it's horrific to watch when you see, like, them trying to tape up the toes and deal with all the blisters, and then running the next day. Eddie's out there huffing it. I mean, but not in shape. Not like a person like you, or like Cam Hanes or David Goggins. A person that is just, just through sheer will decides they're gonna run around the entire length of the UK-

Katie Spotz 54:18 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:18 ... and do it all for charity. And then since then, Eddie's done, uh, she's run through Africa, and did a recent one where they were doing it on, uh, on Zoom. That one was on a treadmill, and did, what was it, like, 26 marathons in 20-

Speaker 54:38 31 in 32 days.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Yeah. Something crazy.

Speaker 54:41 Something like that, 32 in 31 days around.

Joe Rogan 54:43 Yeah. That's pretty damn impressive, because, uh, Eddie's not a- a an athlete per se.

Katie Spotz 54:48 Hmm. It sounds like you- he's or she or he/she-

Joe Rogan 54:52 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 54:53 ... sounds pretty athletic.

Joe Rogan 54:54 She, yeah, she used to be called he. It's confusing because she still likes girls.

Katie Spotz 54:59 Hm.

Joe Rogan 55:00 Or as, uh, Eddie says, fancies the ladies. But whatever. When you're that badass, I don't give a fuck what you call yourself or who you are or-

Katie Spotz 55:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:09 I'll say whatever you want.

Katie Spotz 55:10 Well, what was the distance for the UK run?

Joe Rogan 55:13 Good question.

Speaker 55:15 Totally more than 1,100 miles, uh, 43 marathons in 51 days, 27 miles a day at least.

Katie Spotz 55:21 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:21 You gotta understand that this is not an in shape person.

Katie Spotz 55:25 I'm surprised that there was an injury to stop that. I think, like, injury is definitely one of the biggest, like, you know, challenges.

Joe Rogan 55:35 Oh, yeah. For sure. How old was Eddie at the time?

Speaker 55:38 It was in 2009 so a little bit younger, but-

Joe Rogan 55:42 40?

Speaker 55:44 Um, let me see if it says on that thing.

Joe Rogan 55:46 Probably 40. Not young.

Speaker 55:48 I only trained for five weeks right before it. And then-

Katie Spotz 55:52 That's really-

Speaker 55:52 Yeah, it's not saying. Uh, I'll check something else, sorry.

Katie Spotz 55:56 Like, usually you taper two or three weeks.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 55:58 So that's, like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:59 No, it's nuts.

Katie Spotz 56:00 Yeah, that's not.

Joe Rogan 56:01 And if you watch the documentary, you just see it's just sheer will.

Katie Spotz 56:05 Yeah.

Speaker 56:05 He was 47 at the time.

Joe Rogan 56:07 You could say he was 47 at the time because he was a he then.

Speaker 56:10 47-year-old actor was 47 at the time. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:13 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 56:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:16 That's not young. Um, it's super impressive. That's probably the most impressive thing.

Katie Spotz 56:21 Yeah, I'd be curious. There's a-

Joe Rogan 56:22 But just because of that-

Katie Spotz 56:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:23 Because I know, like, my friend Cam Hanes, he runs every day, he's in great shape. He just ran 100 miles like it was nothing.

Katie Spotz 56:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:29 Just did it, like, last weekend. Did a, did a 100-mile race-

Katie Spotz 56:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:33 ... and he doesn't even tell anybody. Just goes and does 'em. 'Cause he does it so much. He runs, literally when he prepares for these things, he runs a marathon a day. Every day. But so him-

Katie Spotz 56:44 That's a lot.

Joe Rogan 56:44 ... doing that-

Katie Spotz 56:45 Yeah, it's like-

Joe Rogan 56:45 ... not as impressive-

Katie Spotz 56:46 I get it.

Joe Rogan 56:46 ... as Eddie doing it, just 'cause Eddie's not in shape.

Katie Spotz 56:49 Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, like, even in Ironmans, like, of course there's these people who finish in eight, nine hours. But sometimes the most impressive thing, like one of the races I did, my friends and I, we stayed until the last person came. And this person was out there for 17 hours, like, and they made it just within, like, 20 more seconds to go.

Joe Rogan 57:10 Oh, wow.

Katie Spotz 57:10 And, like, yeah, it, it, it, it's almost just as inspiring if not more to see that person who's just barely made it-

Joe Rogan 57:19 Right.

Katie Spotz 57:19 ... than the one who's just like, "Oh-"

Joe Rogan 57:21 Right, through sheer will.

Katie Spotz 57:21 "... I could do that again." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:23 Yeah. But there's not one person that's the most impressive. It's, there's a lot of re-

Katie Spotz 57:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:30 One of the more interesting things about doing a podcast is the, that you can talk to people from all walks of life.

Katie Spotz 57:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:37 And so my understanding of human beings is very broad in a sense that, like, "Oh, I met someone like her. Oh, I know a person like that."

Katie Spotz 57:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:46 "Oh, that guy, yeah, that's like this person." Like, there's ... If you just live in the same place and communicate with the same people and you don't get out and you don't travel and you don't meet really unique and interesting people, you have an idea, you have a little box that you look, that you put human beings in. My box is enormous. So what I think of what's possible with people is enormous.

Katie Spotz 58:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:11 You know? So it's made me very, very open minded in terms of what's possible, in terms of just the different kinds of people, different styles of human being, 'cause that's kind of what it's like. Like, there's different styles of human being, different ways that people talk, different ways people protect themselves with their speech and with their manner of talking. They shield themselves. And then other people that are just wide open.

Katie Spotz 58:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 Some people that really because they're really good at one thing, they think they know it all about everything. That's an- an unusual thing. What's that, like, what's that called? The Dunning-Kruger effect? But then there's other people that are-

Katie Spotz 58:47 Wait, what does that mean?

Joe Rogan 58:49 Uh, I think it means when you have, uh, an expertise in one subject, you, uh, grossly overestimate your understanding of other subjects. Let's see-

Katie Spotz 59:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 59:01 ... see what, see if we can find the definition of that.

Katie Spotz 59:04 Okay. I've never heard that.

Joe Rogan 59:04 You've never heard that?

Katie Spotz 59:05 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 59:05 It's a commonly used phrase because it's, it's very common amongst really brilliant people unfortunately. There's brilliant people that dismiss other disciplines and other works and other, um, fields of, of interest-

Katie Spotz 59:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:22 ... because it's not inside of the ... Here it is. It's a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability.

Katie Spotz 59:34 Oh, psychological bias.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Okay. Yeah, would be an amateur chess player overestimating their performance in the upcoming chess tournament compared to their competent counterparts. Hmm. I think I fucked that up then 'cause I thought that it had to do with someone being really good at something else, and that's why the Dunning-Kruger effect takes into posi- That's how I've always thought of it. So what, the way I'm, way I'm looking at it, I'm looking at the Dunning-Kruger effect-... based on people that are good at other things. And so, like, usually, like, maybe someone is a, a great mathematician, but they have a, a kind of funky view about religion.

Katie Spotz 1:00:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 Or, uh, maybe there's someone who is a, a brilliant psychologist, but they, uh, maybe have a dismissive view of martial arts or people that practice it. I know people that are, um, into athletics, and they're athletic trainers and they dismiss yoga. They have zero experience in yoga. And I've had arguments with people about that. Like, guys who are, like, professional trainers that train elite athletes, and they dismiss yoga.

Katie Spotz 1:00:44 What do they have against yoga?

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 It's not that they have anything against it. It's that they don't understand what they're talking about, 'cause they believe that because they're so good at this one thing-

Katie Spotz 1:00:53 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 ... maybe plyometrics, explosive training, that you talk to them about yoga and they'll be dismissive of it. I'm like, "Well, how often are you doing it?" You know? Like, listen, I've done a lot of shit. Yoga's hard. It's good.

Katie Spotz 1:01:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 It's r- it's... I don't think it's the only thing you should do.

Katie Spotz 1:01:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 But, you know.

Katie Spotz 1:01:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 I talked to this one lady. She, uh, used to go to my yoga class, and she was in her 50s and she was fucking shredded. She had, like, this crazy six-pack and super jacked. And I go, "You don't just do yoga." And she goes, "No, no, no, I do a lot of weightlifting and I do a lot of CrossFit," and stuff like that. She goes, "I don't think you should just do yoga." She goes, "But I think you should do yoga."

Katie Spotz 1:01:28 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 And I was like, "Yeah, I kind of agree." Like, 'cause I think just doing yoga, you get one of them weird guru bodies.

Katie Spotz 1:01:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 You know? (laughs) Where you're real bendy, but it doesn't seem like you can help anybody move a couch.

Katie Spotz 1:01:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 You know? Like, I think weightlifting is... Especially as you get older, I think it's imperative. I really think it's important. And some sort of, some sort of resistance training just to keep your bone density and keep your muscles and tendons strong and... But yoga has, uh, some profound mental benefits.

Katie Spotz 1:01:56 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Some psychological benefits.

Katie Spotz 1:01:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 And it's hard. It's fucking hard. Like, holding all of those po- s- p-... I like to do hot yoga too.

Katie Spotz 1:02:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 So holding onto those poses when it's 105 degrees and you wa- you're watching sweat pour off of you and your heart's pounding out of your chest.

Katie Spotz 1:02:11 Yes, but sometimes when you do those hot yoga classes, you would be sweating if you were just sitting there, so I think sometimes... You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 1:02:22 ... it is hard, but if you were sitting there, you probably would be sweating too. So it could be...

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 It... Well, that's because it's harder-

Katie Spotz 1:02:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 ... when it's hot.

Katie Spotz 1:02:31 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Because it makes your body-

Katie Spotz 1:02:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 ... produce heat shock proteins.

Katie Spotz 1:02:34 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Which makes it better. The idea... See, this is where... another thing that people get screwed up. They say, "Oh, no, no, it's not that hard. It just seems hard because it's hot."

Katie Spotz 1:02:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 No, no, no. It's fucking hard, and it's harder because it's hot.

Katie Spotz 1:02:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 So your body has to work harder. It feels harder because it is.

Katie Spotz 1:02:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 'Cause it's more difficult for your body. So because it's more difficult for your body, your body has to produce these cytokines.

Katie Spotz 1:02:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 And that is, uh, massive an- m- b- it's, it, it's massive for anti-inflam- inflammation benefits. And there's actually a study they're doing at Harvard right now about hot yoga, and they're trying to find out if hot yoga has similar benefits to that... Was it Finland that did that yoga stu- that, uh, sauna study? I keep fucking it up. I always say Norway.

Speaker 1:03:19 I think it was actually Finland, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Finland, right?

Speaker 1:03:21 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yeah. There's a study that they did out of Finland that showed a 40% decrease in all cause mortality for people that did sauna, I think it's at 170 degrees, 20 minutes, four times a week.

Katie Spotz 1:03:34 Huh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 40% decrease of all cause mortality, heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything, across the board.

Katie Spotz 1:03:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 Because of the heat shock protein benefit.

Katie Spotz 1:03:43 Huh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Because of the fact that your body is kind of freaking out because of the heat, so it produces those cytokines and that has massive benefits for your health, and psychological benefits.

Katie Spotz 1:03:54 So one of the coaches I worked with for Ironman... Like, I used to do hot yoga a lot and he, his concern for me in doing that on top of Ironman training was just like, "Okay, so you are already so dehy-... Like, hydration is already so hard with training, whatever, 20 hours of sweating, y- by running and biking and swimming." So that, that's the only thing that I've heard, like... I don't know. Have you heard anything about that? Like...

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 You definitely can get dehydrated if you don't plan accordingly.

Katie Spotz 1:04:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 But what you really need is an electrolyte supplement.

Katie Spotz 1:04:28 Yes. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 So I, I d- I use liquid IV. I just take... I g- I'll do two of those in a day, is genuin- generally what I do, 'cause I work out a lot.

Katie Spotz 1:04:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 But when I do the sauna, I do one after the sauna. Um, if, but if I do a hot yoga class, I'll do it before the yoga class. So I'll do, like, an hour before the yoga class, I'll drink 32 ounces of water with liquid IV. The only problem is having to pee. That's the problem, you know? We talked about that before the podcast. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 1:04:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 If you drink a lot of water... My daughter, my 10-year-old, has, uh, decided to drink massive amounts of water now. So she has this-

Katie Spotz 1:05:02 Oh, the jug?

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 ... jug.

Katie Spotz 1:05:03 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 It is so big. It's huge. And she was laughing. And I go, um, "Why are you doing this?" And she goes, "Well, water's really good for you. And, uh, I just wanna see if I can drink this f- f- y- every day." And I go, "Well, you definitely can-"

Katie Spotz 1:05:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 "... drink it every day." So I go, "How many times do you have to pee at class?" She goes, "Oh, uh, every class, I have to, I have to get up and pee multiple times," and she's laughing. I go, "Multiple times during class." I go, "What do your teachers think about this?" She goes, "They laugh. They think it's funny, 'cause they know that I have this giant jug of water on my table." I'm like, "Okay."

Katie Spotz 1:05:34 She might be going, uh, over-hydration, hyponatremia, like, that-

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 No, she's not doing that.

Katie Spotz 1:05:40 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 Because she's doing it through the entire day.

Katie Spotz 1:05:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 But that is a danger.

Katie Spotz 1:05:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 But that's when you're forcing water into your body.

Katie Spotz 1:05:47 I mean, I've-

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Right? People have died from that. Like-

Katie Spotz 1:05:49 I've had hyponatremia before.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Did you really?

Katie Spotz 1:05:51 Uh, biking across America.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 Wow.

Katie Spotz 1:05:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 What happened?

Katie Spotz 1:05:56 Uh, it was... I mean, yeah, I, uh... I've had-... had, like, I mean, if you do endurance stuff, of course some things happen. Like, I've had, uh, rhabdo. I've had-

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 When you had rhabdo, what'd they have to ... Rhabdomyolysis. What'd you have to do to, uh-

Katie Spotz 1:06:14 Um.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 ... fix that?

Katie Spotz 1:06:15 So that was the thing. Like, I ... This is gonna sound so stupid, but I was like, "But I don't feel like it." Like, and I've had, like, internal bleeding. I was like, "But I don't feel anything." Like, so what ... They, they just give you IV, and that ... I was, yeah, that was as far-

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Just, just drink water?

Katie Spotz 1:06:33 Uh, they gave me like two liters of IV, and that-

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 And that's it?

Katie Spotz 1:06:38 That was all. And then, yeah, I, I think I was just monitoring, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 And rhabdo is your muscles start to break down and-

Katie Spotz 1:06:45 Yeah, so, yeah. Whenever you're working out, you're ideally breaking down your muscles, because that's how they grow stronger. Um, so from my understanding, I mean, I'm not, like, a, you know, a, this, yeah. But from my understanding is that, um, it's like i- i- when your muscles are breaking down, it's in your bloodstream, and your kidneys are trying really hard to filter it out, filter it out. And if there's so much breakdown, it's beyond your kidneys' ability to filter, filter, filter, so it could cause kidney failure.

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 So it's clogging your pipes-

Katie Spotz 1:07:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 ... basically, huh?

Katie Spotz 1:07:19 Yeah. So, um, I, yeah. So, like, yeah. I know that, like, the stuff I do, no doctor would be like, "Yeah, that sounds great. Go-"

Joe Rogan 1:07:30 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 1:07:30 "Go run 100 miles." But-

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 Doctors tell you not to do everything, though.

Katie Spotz 1:07:33 I know. That's true. They don't want the liability of being, like ...

Joe Rogan 1:07:36 It's not just that. It's just, like ... The, like ... Uh, when I got my first knee surgery, I remember my doctor saying, "Well, no more martial arts for you." I was like, "The fuck out of here." Like, "What are you talking about?"

Katie Spotz 1:07:47 (laughs) Watch me.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 I was like ... At the time, I was 22 or something like that.

Katie Spotz 1:07:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:52 I'm like, "You're fucking crazy." Like, "What are you saying? Are you fixing my knee or not?"

Katie Spotz 1:07:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 "Is it fixed?" Like, and, "Well, it'll be more vulnerable now." "Okay."

Katie Spotz 1:08:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 And then what? I gotta get it fixed again? Like, in my mind, I was like, "I don't even know what you're saying. I'm gonna stop working out. I can't do martial arts ever, ever again?" And then it happened again. When I got my second knee surgery, I had a meniscus scope, and the doctor, same thing. They were like, "Well, you need, you n- really need to stop this." I'm like, "Oh, okay. I do?" Meanwhile, I don't. Look, 'cause here I'm still doing it 20 years later, and I'm not in pain. Like, you guys are out of your fucking minds.

Katie Spotz 1:08:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 'Cause they just ... They're so risk averse. They just want to avoid any kind of real problems you could have with your body, but (sighs) I think your body's supposed to be used.

Katie Spotz 1:08:38 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 You gotta use that-

Katie Spotz 1:08:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 ... damn thing.

Katie Spotz 1:08:40 I mean, like, I'm really into rollerblading right now.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 Oh, boy.

Katie Spotz 1:08:43 I could go on about the benefits of rollerblading.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 Tell me. Please.

Katie Spotz 1:08:46 I think Raven was talking to people-

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 Please.

Katie Spotz 1:08:48 ... before this. Okay, rollerblading is so great. Um, and some people are like, "Oh, I'm, I ... my balance is so terrible." I'm like, "Well, you should probably rollerblade, because how do you improve your balance? By doing things that are make challenging your balance."

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:09:03 Like, you don't get better by avoiding it, so.

Joe Rogan 1:09:06 Uh-huh.

Katie Spotz 1:09:07 But that's what people say. "Oh, I, I can't rollerblade because of that." No, you should rollerblade. Just wear your helmet. Get s- you know.

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 Knee pads.

Katie Spotz 1:09:15 Get your knee pads.

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 Elbow pads.

Katie Spotz 1:09:15 Do what you gotta do.

Joe Rogan 1:09:16 Do you have the hand things too?

Katie Spotz 1:09:17 I don't. I-

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 You don't?

Katie Spotz 1:09:18 ... I just have the helmet.

Joe Rogan 1:09:19 Ooh, what about your hands?

Katie Spotz 1:09:21 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 Don't you worry about the soft tissue in your fingers?

Katie Spotz 1:09:24 No, not at all. (laughs) I rode across the Atlantic. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 1:09:28 ... I'm used to the-

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 Rough-

Katie Spotz 1:09:30 ... you know, having calf kills-

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 Rough stuff.

Katie Spotz 1:09:32 ... if needed.

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:09:33 But running, and I think most, uh, endurance athletes end up doing the same repetitive thing, right?

Joe Rogan 1:09:40 Right.

Katie Spotz 1:09:40 And what most weaknesses are your hips, like ... And a lot of people have knee issues, which is because of weak hips. And so, I think what's really great about rollerblading is it targets, it targets the very, um, areas that are, um, often very, like, underdeveloped with running and biking and repetitive-

Joe Rogan 1:10:04 And that's your hip muscles?

Katie Spotz 1:10:04 Hips, and then I think there's the stabilizing muscles.

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 1:10:08 And, like, you'll get that with, like, the Pilates and, and things like, you know, one-legged typed drills. And, and I don't, I don't necessarily think the stabilizers ... Like, w- from my experience, like, if my quads are really strong and I'm trying to run, I'm gonna rely on my quads. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna be like, "Hamstrings, work really hard," because I already know my quads are really strong. But with rollerblading, I think it gets into all these little stabilizing muscles.

Joe Rogan 1:10:39 Mm-hmm.

Katie Spotz 1:10:40 And I ... So the areas that I'm really sore from rollerblading is, like, my low back, and that's another area that matters a lot with, like, running, because, um ... Like, I think running you could definitely think about, like, your strength and your muscle. But y- but what's also, from my understanding is, like, 30% of your run efficiency happens, like, because of your form. And yeah, low back definitely helps with form. And I don't know. I was just, like, thinking about, like, what sports are fun, and I don't think you could be in a bad mood while roll- rollerblading.

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 Yeah, it seems like it's a good time.

Katie Spotz 1:11:20 I ... Yeah, it's ... Ev- I just, I could really-

Joe Rogan 1:11:23 It looks festive. You can't be angry while you're rollerblading.

Katie Spotz 1:11:26 No, and you could, like, listen to music and, like-

Joe Rogan 1:11:28 Yes.

Katie Spotz 1:11:28 ... jam out, have fun.

Joe Rogan 1:11:29 Jam out.

Katie Spotz 1:11:30 I jam out.

Joe Rogan 1:11:31 Yeah, there you go.

Katie Spotz 1:11:31 That's what my friend and I are doing every weekend now.

Joe Rogan 1:11:35 So that's your thing?

Katie Spotz 1:11:36 Uh, for now, and-

Joe Rogan 1:11:37 You gonna rollerblade across America?

Katie Spotz 1:11:39 Um, no.

Joe Rogan 1:11:41 Are you thinking about it?

Katie Spotz 1:11:42 No, I thought about it.

Joe Rogan 1:11:43 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 1:11:45 (laughs) Here's the thing. It's really ... Okay, so I have the three-wheeled rollerblades. There's four-wheels, which is what most people probably have used, but three-wheels are a lot faster, and it's really hard to stop.

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 Is the two in the front or in the back?

Katie Spotz 1:11:59 No, it's, it's, it's not skating. It's like one-

Joe Rogan 1:12:01 Oh, in line.

Katie Spotz 1:12:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 Oh, like a blade.

Katie Spotz 1:12:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:12:04 Oh, okay.

Katie Spotz 1:12:04 So I cannot stop very well.

Joe Rogan 1:12:07 Well, that sucks.

Katie Spotz 1:12:07 And so I would not-... want to go across America if I didn't know how to stop it.

Joe Rogan 1:12:12 Why didn't you go roller skating? Is that too easy?

Katie Spotz 1:12:14 Oh, no. I don't ... I, I feel like-

Joe Rogan 1:12:16 That's for babies?

Katie Spotz 1:12:16 ... it's slower.

Joe Rogan 1:12:17 Oh, you wanna go fast.

Katie Spotz 1:12:19 I mean, it does feel-

Joe Rogan 1:12:20 Feel like Ricky Bobby. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 1:12:24 (laughs) Well, I mean, who wants to go slow?

Joe Rogan 1:12:26 I get it.

Katie Spotz 1:12:27 Like, so, I think rollerblading's really fun, and people should try it if they haven't.

Joe Rogan 1:12:32 It seems like a good time.

Katie Spotz 1:12:34 Yeah. And there are certain things that, like ... So, like, gymnastics, it, like ... It's very artistic and fun to watch, but I'm sure for the gymnasts, it's not actually fun and artistic to do. But I think, like, ice skating and rollerblading, like, it's fun for the person and for the person watching. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:12:54 I don't know. I think gymnastics are fun. My daught- my middle daughter does gymnastics. She's really good at it.

Katie Spotz 1:12:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:59 And she loves it.

Katie Spotz 1:13:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:13:00 She ... We have to stop her from doing it in the house. She does, like, back handsprings in the hallway.

Katie Spotz 1:13:04 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:13:05 And I go, "Hey, hey, hey, come on."

Katie Spotz 1:13:07 (laughs) That's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 1:13:08 "Cut the shit." Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:13:09 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:13:09 She loves it. Like, she gets out on the trampoline and does flips and all kinds of shit.

Katie Spotz 1:13:13 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:13:13 She goes bananas. Y- you can't stop her. She loves it.

Katie Spotz 1:13:16 I've never really been ... I always assumed that ... Because it just looks so hard. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 I think a lot of things that look hard, when you finish 'em, is a feeling of elation. Does that sound familiar?

Katie Spotz 1:13:28 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:31 (laughs) I think when you don't think you could ever do a back flip, and then all of a sudden, you, you can hit two in a row, or do-

Katie Spotz 1:13:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:37 ... a tuck and do a forward one, and, you know, and then you start doing it, and then you get better, and your form gets better, it's like everything else. It's like martial arts, you know?

Katie Spotz 1:13:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:45 Like, martial arts are really hard.

Katie Spotz 1:13:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:47 But when you get good at it, it's like, wow, this feels like you're in a real live video game, you know?

Katie Spotz 1:13:52 Yeah. Do you have anything that you're, like ... You know? Like, my little thing is, like, the splits. I've never worked my way into that, but, like-

Joe Rogan 1:14:00 Oh, you should be able to do that. You're s- you're an athlete.

Katie Spotz 1:14:02 Uh, my hamstrings are really tight.

Joe Rogan 1:14:04 Yeah, you could do it.

Katie Spotz 1:14:06 I mean, it would take time.

Joe Rogan 1:14:09 I think it's fascinating. When I talk to someone like you that is willing to row across the fucking ocean-

Katie Spotz 1:14:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:17 ... and you're saying it would take time to do the splits-

Katie Spotz 1:14:21 Because my body ... Yeah, because I trained it to do one thing.

Joe Rogan 1:14:25 Yeah, no, I understand.

Katie Spotz 1:14:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:27 Yeah, but-

Katie Spotz 1:14:28 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:14:28 ... it's just a matter of stretching.

Katie Spotz 1:14:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:30 It's easy.

Katie Spotz 1:14:32 I mean, it's patience.

Joe Rogan 1:14:35 It's just f- it's just consistency.

Katie Spotz 1:14:37 That's true.

Joe Rogan 1:14:38 I, I've been doing it my whole life.

Katie Spotz 1:14:39 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:14:39 I've been stretching my whole life, so ... Even though I'm a meathead, I'm very flexible.

Katie Spotz 1:14:45 Do you do any of the yin yoga?

Joe Rogan 1:14:47 Yin yoga?

Katie Spotz 1:14:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:48 What is that?

Katie Spotz 1:14:49 Oh, okay. So, that's like, uh, the one where you're just, like, holding things for three minutes, and, like-

Joe Rogan 1:14:55 Oh, wow.

Katie Spotz 1:14:55 ... it's ... Uh, from my understanding, it's, like, one of the best types of yoga for runners, because, um, yeah. Like, it's the least muscular. Um, so-

Joe Rogan 1:15:08 Hmm.

Katie Spotz 1:15:08 ... it's like ... It, it would be like nappy time yoga.

Joe Rogan 1:15:11 Oh, okay.

Katie Spotz 1:15:13 Like, that one's-

Joe Rogan 1:15:14 Mostly on the floor?

Katie Spotz 1:15:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:15 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:15:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:16 Okay.

Katie Spotz 1:15:16 But it's, like, probably the best stretching yoga there is.

Joe Rogan 1:15:19 Yeah, just stretch.

Katie Spotz 1:15:21 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:15:21 Just make yourself stretch.

Katie Spotz 1:15:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:23 Yeah, just decide, "I have an hour and a half right now that I'm gonna do nothing but stretch." It's very ... It r- ... You'd be amazed at how much tension you carry in your muscles too.

Katie Spotz 1:15:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:32 Like, whenever I have a show, like, a comedy show, and I'm a little tense, I stretch. I feel way better afterwards.

Katie Spotz 1:15:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:39 It's like all this ehh, and then just, like, ah. It just r- it just ... The f- ... You have more mobility. Everything moves better, you know?

Katie Spotz 1:15:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:48 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:15:48 Yeah. I definitely like the tennis ball too for, like, my back.

Joe Rogan 1:15:51 Oh, yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:15:52 That's the best.

Joe Rogan 1:15:52 Oh, we have these things, those hyp- Have you tried those fucking Hyperice balls?

Narrator 1:15:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:57 These, these ... They're, they're these things. They're hard, and they vibrate like crazy, and you roll on 'em-

Katie Spotz 1:16:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:02 ... and it just ... (imitates vibration) Just sit. Well, try it afterwards, afterwards.

Katie Spotz 1:16:06 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:16:06 It's one of our sponsors, but you get on it and roll around on it. It just loosens everything up. It's like, oh. It's so much better than a tennis ball.

Katie Spotz 1:16:14 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:16:14 'Cause I was using lacrosse balls-

Katie Spotz 1:16:15 Yeah, that's what I do too.

Joe Rogan 1:16:15 ... for a while. Those are nice.

Katie Spotz 1:16:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:17 This is, this is like that times 100.

Katie Spotz 1:16:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:20 Yeah, it's awesome.

Katie Spotz 1:16:21 Huh.

Joe Rogan 1:16:21 Dude, the vibration is crazy. It's like, "What the fuck is in here that makes this thing vibrate like that?"

Katie Spotz 1:16:26 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:16:26 And they have a roller that does the same thing. I'll show you later.

Katie Spotz 1:16:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:29 But yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:16:29 My friend has the wand one that she uses. Like, it's some kind of-

Joe Rogan 1:16:34 Um, Alex Honnold was here the other day.

Katie Spotz 1:16:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:37 You know who he is? The, the free solo-

Katie Spotz 1:16:38 The climber.

Joe Rogan 1:16:39 ... climber.

Katie Spotz 1:16:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:39 He's great. And we were talking about flexibility. He's like, "Yeah, I'm not really that flexible." And I'm like, "Well, wouldn't it help you-

Katie Spotz 1:16:44 Yeah, I would imagine.

Joe Rogan 1:16:45 ... to be flexible?" He's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely would."

Katie Spotz 1:16:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:48 And, and I'm like, "Why aren't you fucking stretching?" And he's like, "Well, it's really hard," you know? I'm like, "No, it's not." Like, you fucking climb El Cap with no ropes.

Katie Spotz 1:16:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:59 It's the same thing with you. It's like people are crazy. Like, people have this thing that they do that's really difficult that they don't think is difficult, and then they'll look at something else, and then be like, "I could never play piano."

Katie Spotz 1:17:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:17:12 (laughs) You know? It's like ... It's kind of the same thing. Like, we put-

Katie Spotz 1:17:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:15 ... limitations on ourself. Like, you say, "I would like to be able to do the splits." I swear to God, if you lived in Austin, I could get you to do the splits in 30 days. 100%. Depending on how fucked up you are.

Katie Spotz 1:17:28 But how, how, how much time would this-

Joe Rogan 1:17:30 You need an hour and a half a day.

Katie Spotz 1:17:32 To do the splits?

Joe Rogan 1:17:33 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:17:34 Oof.

Joe Rogan 1:17:34 (laughs)

Narrator 1:17:34 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 1:17:36 Like, you could run-

Joe Rogan 1:17:37 70 days across the fucking ocean.

Katie Spotz 1:17:38 No, it's not ... It's just, like, that would be 10 miles of running.

Joe Rogan 1:17:42 Yeah. Well, you could do that too.

Katie Spotz 1:17:43 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:43 It's not stopping you from doing that.

Katie Spotz 1:17:45 I mean, there's only so much time in the day.

Joe Rogan 1:17:46 Yeah, there's 24 hours. Yeah, you know how many times-

Katie Spotz 1:17:49 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:17:49 ... there is in a day. (laughs)

Katie Spotz 1:17:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:17:52 You just do it. But if you wanted that-

Katie Spotz 1:17:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:54 That's this thing that you keep saying.

Katie Spotz 1:17:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:56 You're, you're saying you wish you could do the splits.

Katie Spotz 1:17:58 Well, it's just one of the, like ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:00 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:18:00 In the future.

Joe Rogan 1:18:01 It's a fucking nother.

Katie Spotz 1:18:02 Not right now.

Joe Rogan 1:18:03 It's easy.

Katie Spotz 1:18:04 I have other-

Joe Rogan 1:18:04 I do it every day.

Katie Spotz 1:18:05 ... other things.

Joe Rogan 1:18:05 You do it.

Katie Spotz 1:18:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:07 Stretch.

Katie Spotz 1:18:08 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:18:08 You have to.

Katie Spotz 1:18:08 I'll let you know when I-

Joe Rogan 1:18:10 It's so important.

Katie Spotz 1:18:10 ... when I achieve my-

Joe Rogan 1:18:11 It's so important because it prevents injuries.

Katie Spotz 1:18:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:13 It allows you to have more range of motion. It's like ...... it's, and it's something that everybody loses as you get older.

Katie Spotz 1:18:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:19 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:18:19 For sure. Yeah. Like, I, I do do weights two or three times a week and then do, like, a yoga once a week. But I, yeah, I would definitely be more on the cardio side of the fence of like-

Joe Rogan 1:18:34 Oh, yeah. I would imagine. Well, a lot of runners are, like, real tight.

Katie Spotz 1:18:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:37 A lotta runners.

Katie Spotz 1:18:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:38 A lot of runners have very tight hamstrings 'cause it's, when you're done with all that running, you don't wanna fucking stretch. You're like, "I'm done."

Katie Spotz 1:18:44 Exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:45 "Let me have some Froot Loops or whatever."

Katie Spotz 1:18:45 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:18:46 (laughs)

Katie Spotz 1:18:47 Watermelon for me, but yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:18:48 Watermelon? Yeah. Th- you just want something, you know?

Katie Spotz 1:18:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:51 You don't wanna, like, force yourself into it. But, um, Goggins told me that he had such a, uh, problem with his psoas muscles that it was actually preventing him from running. Like, he was, he was trying to figure out what was wrong with them.

Katie Spotz 1:19:05 Huh.

Joe Rogan 1:19:05 And then he realized it was just tightness of his muscle.

Katie Spotz 1:19:08 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:19:08 And so then he started stretching, and then he got obsessed with stretching, and I think he told me he stretches two hours every day now. Something bananas like that, but that's very Gogginsesque-

Katie Spotz 1:19:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:21 ... that he would do something that hard two hours a day.

Katie Spotz 1:19:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:24 But it's just, it's everything. Stretching's everything.

Katie Spotz 1:19:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:27 It's so important 'cause it sucks is the thing about it too, that sucks. You know when one sucks for me the most is when I'm sitting down, grabbing my toes, and flattening my body to my thighs 'cause-

Katie Spotz 1:19:40 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:19:40 ... it's just s-

Katie Spotz 1:19:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:42 ... it sucks. It sucks to breathe. It's not fun. It's painful. But, but once I do it, I'm like, "I did it."

Katie Spotz 1:19:51 Yeah. Y- a lot of those stretches, it's, like, really bad for the first 30 seconds, and then sometimes it gets better.

Joe Rogan 1:19:57 Yeah. Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:19:57 Or not, but...

Joe Rogan 1:19:58 Yeah, you loosen up.

Katie Spotz 1:20:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:00 Yeah. Same thing with doing the splits.

Katie Spotz 1:20:01 The door one's really great, where you, like, lean into it and get your shoulders.

Joe Rogan 1:20:05 Which one is that? How do you do it?

Katie Spotz 1:20:07 Y- you, you put your (laughs) your, like, in the doorframe-

Joe Rogan 1:20:10 Oh, yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:20:10 ... and then you lean.

Joe Rogan 1:20:10 That's great.

Katie Spotz 1:20:11 That one's really good.

Joe Rogan 1:20:12 Yeah. Yeah. Hanging is great-

Katie Spotz 1:20:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:15 ... by your hands on a chin-up bar.

Katie Spotz 1:20:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:17 My god, that's so good for your shoulders. It's like so many people have shoulder pain, and a lot of it is just, like, everything's sort of impacted and tightened up and-

Katie Spotz 1:20:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:27 ... ah. And it's hard to stretch those things. But just hanging from a chin-up bar, it's like everything sorta, like-

Katie Spotz 1:20:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:33 ... stretches. And it feels great for your lower back too.

Katie Spotz 1:20:35 Totally.

Joe Rogan 1:20:36 You know?

Katie Spotz 1:20:36 One of my friends is really into the inversion-

Joe Rogan 1:20:39 Oh, yeah. I love those.

Katie Spotz 1:20:40 ... tables and everything.

Joe Rogan 1:20:40 Love th- You know what's the best one? Um, Teeter makes the ones that you hang by your ankles, but they also make this thing called the Dex. Do you know what that is?

Katie Spotz 1:20:48 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 1:20:48 It's the shit. You put your legs in it, almost like a leg curl thing, and then it, i- it hinges forward. And so you're hanging just from your hips. So there's no, um... (smacks lips)

Katie Spotz 1:21:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:21:01 The thing about the inversion table is you're hanging by your ankles.

Katie Spotz 1:21:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:04 And it's great.

Katie Spotz 1:21:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:21:05 It does loosen everything up. But this specifically targets your back. That's how it works.

Katie Spotz 1:21:11 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:21:12 It's phenomenal.

Katie Spotz 1:21:13 It reminds me of that, like, uh, ab crunch thing.

Joe Rogan 1:21:15 Yes.

Katie Spotz 1:21:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:15 Exactly. Exact-

Katie Spotz 1:21:17 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:21:17 And you can do back extensions on that thing too. You could use it for that as well if you want to. But-

Katie Spotz 1:21:23 That, that... Oh, sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:21:25 No, it's okay.

Katie Spotz 1:21:26 This is, like, definitely good for... Like, one of the things with ultra running that I noticed, like, there's a lot of weird things that, like, and one of them, like, is the swollen hands and, like, swollen feet. And-

Joe Rogan 1:21:40 Yeah.

Katie Spotz 1:21:40 ... usually every time after a