Joe Rogan Experience #1659 - Scott Eastwood

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Scott Eastwood 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

Joe Rogan 0:14 Cheers, sir.

Scott Eastwood 0:15 Hey.

Joe Rogan 0:15 Crack one of these open.

Scott Eastwood 0:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:17 So, are these your beers? You make your own beer?

Scott Eastwood 0:19 We, we make our own beer. I don't actually make it.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Do...

Scott Eastwood 0:22 But-

Joe Rogan 0:22 But someone-

Scott Eastwood 0:23 Someone makes it.

Joe Rogan 0:23 ... connected to you and your company makes it.

Scott Eastwood 0:25 E- exactly. It's called Made Here, and every part about the process is made in America.

Joe Rogan 0:29 I have your socks.

Scott Eastwood 0:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:31 I have your underwear too, right?

Scott Eastwood 0:32 Yeah, yeah, I left you some stuff.

Joe Rogan 0:34 So what else do you make?

Scott Eastwood 0:35 Well, we started with, uh, socks and boxers.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Cheers, sir.

Scott Eastwood 0:40 Cheers. Um, and then we decided we wanted to do consumables.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Wow, that's good beer.

Scott Eastwood 0:46 That's an IPA.

Joe Rogan 0:47 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 0:48 We have three different kinds.

Joe Rogan 0:49 That's very good.

Scott Eastwood 0:50 Yeah. I don't know if you're an IPA guy, but-

Joe Rogan 0:52 I love IPA.

Scott Eastwood 0:53 Okay.

Joe Rogan 0:53 I, I, I'm not a beer snob. I like stouts, I like ales, I like, I like beer.

Scott Eastwood 0:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:59 But, you know, but I like IPA. I like the kind of bitterness to it.

Scott Eastwood 1:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02 I like it. I liked Uncle Sam too. Look at that.

Scott Eastwood 1:04 You like it? I've been, I've been fighting with my partner, to be honest, about it.

Joe Rogan 1:08 About Uncle Sam?

Scott Eastwood 1:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09 You don't like it?

Scott Eastwood 1:10 Well, here's the thing.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Okay.

Scott Eastwood 1:12 It reminds me a little bit of government.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Ooh.

Scott Eastwood 1:15 And I'm not super government-y.

Joe Rogan 1:18 Government-y? (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 1:18 Government-y. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19 That's what I would say too-

Scott Eastwood 1:21 It, it's a thing.

Joe Rogan 1:21 ... if I knew zero about politics. "I'm not, like-

Scott Eastwood 1:22 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:23 ... real government-y."

Scott Eastwood 1:24 (laughs) "I'm not really government-y." Um, no, I fucking hate politics to be honest.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Yes. I'm not a fan.

Scott Eastwood 1:29 I, I hate them, yeah. Um, but you know what? I like the colors, I like the thing, I like what we stand for. It's our ethos. It's like we stand for every process along the way, celebrating the American worker, celebrating America, and we don't, we don't, you know... It's, it's just, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:45 One thing that is weird is that Uncle Sam doesn't have a face, that he's in darkness. Like you can see the hat, but-

Scott Eastwood 1:51 But he could be like anybody, right?

Joe Rogan 1:52 He seems like a demon, like the Grinch.

Scott Eastwood 1:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:55 Doesn't he?

Scott Eastwood 1:55 The government is kind of demonic.

Joe Rogan 1:57 You know what I'm saying, Jamie? You, you see what it...

Narrator 1:59 I like his, uh, I like his tie. Like he just got off of work.

Joe Rogan 2:01 The tie, yeah, right. He got off of work.

Scott Eastwood 2:02 Yeah.

Narrator 2:02 Last Friday.

Joe Rogan 2:03 He's listening up with a bow tie.

Scott Eastwood 2:03 He's like, "I'm here to party."

Joe Rogan 2:04 He's here to party, but he's also a demon.

Scott Eastwood 2:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Like he's got, like, his hair in his face, and he looks like the Grinch. It could be anything.

Scott Eastwood 2:11 The Grinch? Like you mean from the Christmas movie?

Joe Rogan 2:14 Yeah, like he's all like fuzzy.

Scott Eastwood 2:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:18 You know what I'm saying?

Scott Eastwood 2:18 I never thought of him like the Grinch. I guess, kind of.

Joe Rogan 2:20 He could be the Grinch.

Scott Eastwood 2:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21 But he's got no eyes. He's got no face.

Scott Eastwood 2:23 Hey.

Joe Rogan 2:24 But you can see his hat. It's very confusing. There it is.

Scott Eastwood 2:26 There it is.

Joe Rogan 2:27 Oh, he wiggles a little too.

Scott Eastwood 2:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:30 That's even weirder. So he's like a dream.

Scott Eastwood 2:31 How did you pull that up so fast?

Joe Rogan 2:33 Jamie's a wizard.

Narrator 2:33 I got a .beer domain.

Scott Eastwood 2:36 Yeah.

Narrator 2:36 Madehere.beer.

Joe Rogan 2:38 Oh. Oh, no shit.

Scott Eastwood 2:38 Do you know that, do you, do you know that actually 90% of pretty much all beer we drink in the US is either foreign owned or they use foreign ingredients?

Joe Rogan 2:46 What?

Scott Eastwood 2:47 Yes. True story.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Really?

Scott Eastwood 2:49 Yeah, man. I didn't know any of this about-

Joe Rogan 2:50 Sam Adams?

Scott Eastwood 2:51 Well, I, I, I can't speak for each beer, so I'm not gonna like start shitting on other beers.

Joe Rogan 2:55 All right, but Sam Adams is all about like, "Made here. Made in America."

Scott Eastwood 2:58 Yeah, and, and there, and there are, so 10% of...

Joe Rogan 3:01 10%?

Scott Eastwood 3:02 Yeah. But this one is, you know, 100%, so...

Joe Rogan 3:06 Ah, it's very good.

Scott Eastwood 3:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:08 What, what do they... So it... No... It's hops, right? They use hops.

Scott Eastwood 3:11 Hops, yeast-

Joe Rogan 3:12 And s-

Scott Eastwood 3:13 ... barley.

Joe Rogan 3:14 ... um, some companies use rice, don't they?

Scott Eastwood 3:17 I think so. Yeah, I mean like Jap- Like a lot of Japanese beers use rice.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Yeah, because some, some beers, uh, you could drink if you're on a keto diet. I think Heineken.

Scott Eastwood 3:26 Really?

Joe Rogan 3:27 I think so.

Scott Eastwood 3:28 That doesn't sound right.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Maybe it's just some keto asshole telling you that.

Scott Eastwood 3:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:31 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 3:32 Some guy said, "Really?"

Joe Rogan 3:33 I don't think Heineken is made with wheat.

Scott Eastwood 3:37 Are you doing-

Joe Rogan 3:37 Oh, that's what it is. It's like glu- gluten-free. No, I'm not kee- not keto.

Scott Eastwood 3:40 You've... I heard you talk about it before.

Joe Rogan 3:42 Yeah. I mostly eat meat.

Scott Eastwood 3:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:46 Yeah, but, uh, um, uh, latley I've been trying to cut... I, I weighed 208 the other day. It's the fattest I've ever been in my life.

Scott Eastwood 3:53 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 3:54 I was like, "Jesus Christ," because I've been dealing with this back thing that you saw, that I hurt myself, uh, doing jujitsu this morning.

Scott Eastwood 3:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:00 Um, I've been dealing with this to the point where I've been doing a lot of physical therapy, and, uh, over the last few weeks, I've been training pretty hard again because the back's been feeling good until this morning. But, uh, I got out of a really... Because it was just trying to let everything relax, but I did not get out of a food rhythm.

Scott Eastwood 4:18 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:19 My food rhythm went... I just... I, when I ch- work out hard, I eat whatever the fuck I want, but when I'm not working out hard and I eat whatever the fuck I want, I just start getting fat face. I start, I start chipmunking up.

Scott Eastwood 4:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:32 I see this, this starts getting fat, and then I start getting the, uh, above the dick fat. You know what I mean?

Scott Eastwood 4:38 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 4:38 You know that?

Scott Eastwood 4:38 Yeah, no one likes that.

Joe Rogan 4:39 Yeah, where I could like... and I always get this fat here.

Scott Eastwood 4:43 Yeah. But you know what the other side of that is? Sometimes if you get too skinny, then you're like a little gaunt.

Joe Rogan 4:49 Hmm, right.

Scott Eastwood 4:50 And that doesn't look good either.

Joe Rogan 4:53 Yeah. Um, it's probably better for you though.

Scott Eastwood 4:55 Probably.

Joe Rogan 4:56 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 4:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:57 I don't want to get too skinny, but I like being lean. I like being healthy. I'm, I'm really at my best when I'm like 195. When I'm 195 to 200, I'm okay, but when I get 205 to 208 and-

Scott Eastwood 5:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:09 ... I'm just... Dude, I'm a glutton. I got a real problem.

Scott Eastwood 5:11 Just like the stuff, the things.

Joe Rogan 5:12 I fucking eat, dude. I eat way too much. I have a real problem.

Scott Eastwood 5:17 I, I do too. I do too.

Joe Rogan 5:18 I always o- over... Always over order. Like if I'm hungry and I get a cheeseburger, I'll get two cheeseburgers, even though I don't want a cheese... uh, even if one cheeseburger is enough, I order two, and then I see that second one there, I just start eating it anyway, even though I'm not even... I'm full. I just keep eating.

Scott Eastwood 5:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:34 It's terrible.

Scott Eastwood 5:34 But if you go to like In-N-Out, then you get like two and you don't feel bad. You get them protein style.

Joe Rogan 5:39 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 5:40 That's not bad.

Joe Rogan 5:40 That's a good move.

Scott Eastwood 5:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:41 I heard In-N-Out out here is not as good.

Scott Eastwood 5:44 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Somebody told me it's not as good.

Scott Eastwood 5:46 I feel like it's as good.

Joe Rogan 5:47 But that's a thing they say, like people... (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 5:50 That's a Cali- That's a California thing to say.

Joe Rogan 5:51 It's one of those Whataburger enthusiasts, they'll tell you.

Scott Eastwood 5:54 Ah, of course.

Joe Rogan 5:55 You know those people? Those Whataburger people are weird. It's like they're seeing life through a lens, like, "Let me wear your glasses." Like, "What do you see? What does the world look like to you? What color is the sky?"

Scott Eastwood 6:05 Well-

Joe Rogan 6:06 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 6:06 ... I feel like, (laughs) I feel like those people, and I don't know them exactly, but ... Or maybe I'm not, they're just not aware I'm friends with them, they'd be the same people who, who, like, resist change.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Right. Right.

Scott Eastwood 6:17 You know? They'll be like, "We can't have in or out here."

Joe Rogan 6:19 Bro, I grew up on Whataburger. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 6:21 Yeah. And you're like, for Austin, you know, that's a thing right now. It's like, everyone's like, "Oh, can you believe, can you believe what Joe Rogan's doing to Austin?"

Joe Rogan 6:28 Oh, that's so silly.

Scott Eastwood 6:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:29 I haven't done anything. I brought in a bunch of funny comedians and Elon Musk. You're welcome.

Scott Eastwood 6:33 You're welcome.

Joe Rogan 6:34 He was coming ... Elon was coming anyway. I didn't bring him.

Scott Eastwood 6:37 No.

Joe Rogan 6:37 But, uh-

Scott Eastwood 6:37 But even he can't afford to live here now.

Joe Rogan 6:39 Pfft. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 6:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:40 Five Guys Burgers, in my opinion, shits on all of 'em. You know why?

Scott Eastwood 6:44 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 6:44 Bacon and jalapenos. We're done.

Scott Eastwood 6:47 I like it.

Joe Rogan 6:48 They give you jalapenos.

Scott Eastwood 6:49 I like Five Guys. It's good.

Joe Rogan 6:49 And bacon.

Scott Eastwood 6:51 Yep.

Joe Rogan 6:51 And their fries are better. You can get fries with spices.

Narrator 6:54 Have you slept, have you slept at P. Terry's since you've been here?

Joe Rogan 6:55 I like P. Terry's.

Narrator 6:56 P. Terry's is pretty good.

Joe Rogan 6:57 P. Terry's is pretty fucking good, pretty fucking good.

Narrator 6:58 And we talk about it very much.

Scott Eastwood 6:59 (laughs)

Narrator 6:59 My family does.

Joe Rogan 7:00 It's only here though. It's only here.

Narrator 7:01 My fucking kids talk about it every day. It's really good.

Joe Rogan 7:02 They love P. Terry's.

Narrator 7:03 I love it.

Scott Eastwood 7:03 Really?

Joe Rogan 7:04 I, yeah. I'm a, I'm a P. Terry's fan. I like P. Terry's. But Five Guys, in my opinion, is the fucking GOAT. That's the king.

Scott Eastwood 7:10 Five Guys is good.

Joe Rogan 7:11 Five Guys.

Scott Eastwood 7:11 They have good fries too.

Joe Rogan 7:12 The better fries. Their, their fries, they have those spicy Cajun fri- what are they? Are they like Cajun or something?

Scott Eastwood 7:17 Hmm. I don't know if I've had those.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Those Five Guys fries.

Narrator 7:18 I don't know. They should only have one size that they give you so many.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Right.

Narrator 7:21 Like, the smallest, a bag full.

Scott Eastwood 7:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 They give you a bag of fries. They're preposterous. And you, you get free peanuts when you go to Five Guys.

Scott Eastwood 7:29 Do you really?

Joe Rogan 7:29 Yeah, they give you bags of peanuts. They have peanuts everywhere. You could just go there and eat peanuts.

Narrator 7:34 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 7:35 Dude, I gotta tell you, man.

Joe Rogan 7:36 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 7:37 Uh, the studio and this whole new thing, like, is, is really cool. I like it.

Joe Rogan 7:41 Thank you. Thank you very much, man.

Scott Eastwood 7:42 It's like a spaceship.

Joe Rogan 7:42 Thank you.

Scott Eastwood 7:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Yeah. We, uh, shout out to my boy Matt Alvarez who's out in the hallway. You met Matt, who I was making fun of his man bun.

Scott Eastwood 7:49 Oh, that was the guy who did all this?

Joe Rogan 7:50 He built this. Yeah, he's awesome.

Scott Eastwood 7:51 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 7:51 He's great guy. And he built the ... And there's a shooting star that goes across the sky.

Scott Eastwood 7:55 No.

Joe Rogan 7:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll go flying across like every 40 seconds or so. And then Ways2Well, uh, hired, um, these Roadside Relics fellas. Uh, my friend Todd built this for me. Look at that. Isn't that dope?

Scott Eastwood 8:09 That's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 8:10 I can't turn my back very good.

Scott Eastwood 8:13 Dude, I feel like, I feel like ... I gotta, I just gotta point this out because I feel like since the last time we spoke-

Joe Rogan 8:18 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 8:19 ... you have gone to the stratosphere of, like ... Po- call it whatever, podcasting, radio, being a entertaining host, and now all eyes are on what Joe Rogan says.

Joe Rogan 8:33 Yeah, it's not good. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 8:35 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 8:35 You guys should be paying attention to other things. Um-

Scott Eastwood 8:37 I know.

Joe Rogan 8:38 ... I'm the same person.

Scott Eastwood 8:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:39 You know? Well, you know what it is? It's like, what's, what's odd, I think, for them, is that an independent person, like, liter- lit- legitimately independent, who has a skeleton crew ... I mean, my crew is, um, I have a video guy, I have a booking guy, I have powerful Jamie, and, and that's it. That's the whole crew.

Scott Eastwood 9:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 9:02 I mean, and then it, it reaches some preposterous number of human beings.

Scott Eastwood 9:07 What does that, what does that feel like when they just use you as, like, clickbait?

Joe Rogan 9:12 Uh ... It's not good. It doesn't feel good if I pay attention to it, but I don't pay attention to it.

Scott Eastwood 9:18 Smart.

Joe Rogan 9:19 Yeah. I go, "Pfft, so what are you saying? Fauci's commenting on me? Why is he talking about me? What are you doing?"

Scott Eastwood 9:25 Wild.

Joe Rogan 9:25 "Why don't you concentrate on gain of function research over there in Wuhan?"

Scott Eastwood 9:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:29 You know, "Concentrate on what you may or may not have been involved in." I, uh, I, I find it very odd 'cause I'm doing the same thing that I've always done. I just have people on and talk shit.

Scott Eastwood 9:41 Sure. I even saw, like, the other day ... I mean, you know, I was thinking about coming on your show, and I was like, "Oh, wow, this is, like, crazy 'cause he's, he's the, the center of the stratosphere, it seems like, what people are talking about." And I was like, I, I saw something about Prince Harry contenting on you.

Joe Rogan 9:57 "Prince Harry went over me!" I was like, "Prince Harry, guess what? You're in my act now. Whoops." (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 10:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:01 I was like-

Scott Eastwood 10:02 That's a, kind of a dumb move for him to say anything. I was like, "Yeah."

Joe Rogan 10:04 Well, Prince Harry's a silly fella. I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm sure he's a nice guy.

Scott Eastwood 10:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 I wouldn't wanna be Prince Harry. I wouldn't b- wouldn't wanna be someone who is famous for being a part of a royal family. So you're literally famous for no reason. You're famous f- through ... It's not you're famous from, for your perspective or your, your, your work or some- something you've created.

Scott Eastwood 10:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:24 You're, you're just literally famous because you're attached to a monarchy. And you're atta- you're literally attached to one of the strangest situations, where people are worshiping the ancestors of people who suppressed their ancestors.

Scott Eastwood 10:38 Sure.

Joe Rogan 10:38 I mean, that's what it is. I mean, I'm not saying that they're bad people, the royal family in England. I'm not saying they're bad people, but-

Scott Eastwood 10:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:44 ... if you go back in time, you'll find some bad people who did some horrible shit. I mean, that's what Robin Hood's all about, right?

Scott Eastwood 10:49 And that's why we got out, right?

Joe Rogan 10:50 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 10:50 I mean, that's why America is America.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Yeah. Well, I, my family came from Italy and Ireland. But yeah.

Scott Eastwood 10:55 But-

Joe Rogan 10:56 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 10:56 ... they got out.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 10:56 But I'm just saying that's why this country ... We broke away from them.

Joe Rogan 11:01 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 11:01 We're like, "Screw you guys. We're not listening to some people over here telling us what to do."

Joe Rogan 11:05 Exactly. Well, even over there, they gave up on them. They're just, they're just sort of a figurehead.

Scott Eastwood 11:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Right?

Scott Eastwood 11:10 I mean, it's weird, the, like, thinking ... The whole royal thing is a weird thing. Like, any elitist thing is a weird ...

Joe Rogan 11:17 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 11:18 Like, "Hey, we're better than ..." Or, "We're this just because-"

Joe Rogan 11:21 Exactly.

Scott Eastwood 11:22 "... of a bloodline or something, you know?"

Joe Rogan 11:23 Well, that's what the thing that people have the hardest time about with celebrities. And I agree with them. It's like, why does someone ... Like, that's what I think about myself. Like, why does my opinion matter more? Because more people are paying attention to it? Like, I don't think my opinion matters more. If you have an opinion and your opinion differs from mine, if you and I were having a conversation at a restaurant or a bar, I would listen to you. I, I don't think my opinion matters more because more people listen. But that's what celebrity is. Celebrity is ... There's a lot of people out there that voice their opinion and l- legitimately believe that more people should listen to them because they have 12 million Instagram followers or because they're famous or because they're ... They have a, a Grammy award-winning album or they, they won an Oscar. It's nonsense. We're, we, we are all-... individual human beings, eh, you know, irregardless of your connection to any racial group or ethnic group or social group or sexual gender group, whatever it is, political group, whatever it is, geographic group. We're just humans. And the weird thing about celebrities is they're just humans, but they're humans that get a disproportionate amount of attention, you know? And I think you can probably relate to that because-

Scott Eastwood 12:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:38 ... you're not just a movie star, you're the son of one of the greatest movie stars the world has ever known, which has got to be fucking bizarro world. And you kind of look a lot like him. Like, I was watching Wrath of Man last night. First of all, it's weird watching people you're friends with who are movie stars. So I'm like, "Oh, hey, Scott." (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 13:00 (laughs) All my friends say this, by the way.

Joe Rogan 13:01 I'm like, "But yeah, I've fucking-"

Scott Eastwood 13:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:02 "... I've, I've gone elk hunting with you."

Scott Eastwood 13:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:04 "You and I shared elk, elk hunting camp, you know?"

Scott Eastwood 13:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:07 "By the way, you were the first guy to kill. You were the first guy to get an elk out of the whole group."

Scott Eastwood 13:11 I do, I do what I can, bro.

Joe Rogan 13:11 It was amazing.

Scott Eastwood 13:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:12 It was pr- ... But I love that, I lo- ... 'Cause you know, you know, you, you and I did that podcast with Cam Hanes, greatest bow hunter ever.

Scott Eastwood 13:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Right? And we're hanging out with him and then all of a sudden we're in camp with him and you're the guy who comes home first with an elk. It was amazing. It was pretty dope. But like, I know you as a human being. So to see you in a movie is like odd, but I'm kind of used to it. I'm kind of used to knowing people that are, that are like-

Scott Eastwood 13:38 Seeing them on the thing.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 13:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:39 Like Post Malone's in that movie.

Scott Eastwood 13:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:40 And I, I, I texted him, I said, "I just saw you get whacked in a Guy Ritchie movie, LOL." (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 13:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:45 And like, (laughs) you know, it's like, it's odd.

Scott Eastwood 13:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:48 It's odd. The, the whole celebrity thing is odd. But to ... There's ... I always used to wonder, why are celebrities always friends with celebrities? I always used to wonder that, like they're always hanging around together and going to parties together. But now I understand it. It's like they don't feel like anybody else can understand them.

Scott Eastwood 14:04 Well, I, I used to hear this funny thing all the time and (laughs) I guess it makes sense. You fuck who you're closest to. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:13 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 14:13 I mean, you know, not that like, you know, you're fucking every celebrity, you know, but you're just, I think-

Joe Rogan 14:18 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 14:19 ... by nature you're around them so because you're in movies with them or you have to do press or the thing and, and so-

Joe Rogan 14:25 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 14:25 ... you just become friends.

Joe Rogan 14:25 I had a conversation with a woman about this once where she was say- ... We were talking about Brad Pitt, and Brad Pitt who had gotten divorced from Angelina Jolie and I said, "I think he should just marry a waitress, just marry like a normal person." And she's ... This is the conversation. It went like something in the, um, I was ... I doesn't remember, I don't remember. I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember it completely clearly, but it was somewhere in the lines of that would be a disproportionate s- like, uh, the, the, the ... It was something along the lines of the power in the relationship would be disproportionately towards Brad Pitt. Like-

Scott Eastwood 15:04 Maybe, maybe not. What if-

Joe Rogan 15:05 You know what I got from that?

Scott Eastwood 15:06 ... she's a badass?

Joe Rogan 15:07 You know what I got from that? That lady really wanted to fuck Brad Pitt too.

Scott Eastwood 15:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:12 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 15:12 She definitely did.

Joe Rogan 15:13 And she was, she's like, "No, he's just-"

Scott Eastwood 15:14 She's like, "Oh no, he's gotta, he's gotta be with me."

Joe Rogan 15:17 But it was this thing where like there's something wrong with Brad Pitt dating a waitress. Like that if Brad Pitt-

Scott Eastwood 15:25 That's crazy. That's crazy talk.

Joe Rogan 15:25 But you know what I'm saying?

Scott Eastwood 15:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:26 But like that he being this very wealthy, famous guy, it would be a, a bad thing if he was involved, you know? So like he should stick to his own humans. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 15:39 (laughs) That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 15:41 It was a weird conversa- ... I mean, she wasn't, I'm gonna be like, she wasn't being rude about it. It was just like, "Oh, I think, you know, that's a disproportionate sort of power dynamic." That was kind of how-

Scott Eastwood 15:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:52 ... that she was putting it. And maybe it was just a flippant reaction. She hadn't really thought about it clearly, but I was like, "Huh, do you think so? Maybe."

Scott Eastwood 16:00 Well-

Joe Rogan 16:00 But I was like, "Maybe you should just date a normal hu-" He, he-

Scott Eastwood 16:02 No, I think, yeah, I think you're right. I think you're 100% right. I mean, pro- ... You know, his life is so abnormal, you counterbalance that out with someone who's like grounded. And not that he's not grounded, but someone who's got to, you know, just be in it every day and th- there might be something amazing there.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Yeah, maybe.

Scott Eastwood 16:20 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Depending on the character of the human that he gets involved with. I think he'd, he'd have to get involved with someone who understands how to work hard and struggle. Like someone who unders- ... who, uh, uh, like a strong character-

Scott Eastwood 16:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:33 ... someone who has like a strong will, like someone who, um, who knows how to do things, get things done, 'cause some people are overwhelmed by anything difficult, you know, bec- ... And I think that's the way society has sort of set us up because if you look at, like, modern society, it's really easy to get food, it's really easy to get some kind of employment for most people. It's really easy to survive. Medicine is readily available if you, I mean-

Scott Eastwood 17:05 In America.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Yeah. In America.

Scott Eastwood 17:06 In America.

Joe Rogan 17:07 Yeah. Or, uh, good point. Our society right here-

Scott Eastwood 17:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:09 ... in America. And this is just relatively speaking. Of course people can get very ill. Of course people can die. Of course people can be in poverty. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is comparatively, when you look at the rest of human history, it's really easy to survive today. So human beings are not as, not as comfortable or not as accustomed to like severe adversity as we have been throughout all of human history.

Scott Eastwood 17:38 Sure. Like running from a lion.

Joe Rogan 17:39 Yeah. Or even-

Scott Eastwood 17:40 Like getting up in the morning and-

Joe Rogan 17:41 Dude, I was looking at some pictures of pioneers the other day. There were some old black and white, like where the people had to stand still and they're ka-toosh-

Scott Eastwood 17:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:47 ... and they did that thing. And the looks in these people's faces-

Scott Eastwood 17:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:50 ... the hardships that they must have faced and-

Scott Eastwood 17:53 Sure.

Joe Rogan 17:54 ... this, this house they built out of trees behind them and then this, the ... You want to talk about gaunt?

Scott Eastwood 18:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:00 It's like, bro, these people barely had enough food to keep the heart ticking.

Scott Eastwood 18:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:03 You know? They were all like real skinny or real (grumbles) you know, like just-

Scott Eastwood 18:07 No, I think about that a lot. I think about how we're so lucky right now in this point in history.

Jamie Vernon 18:14 And, and not that they weren't lucky and, and probably they didn't know any better and they were like, "This is great. My life's happy if, you know, if I was able to get shelter and food." But we can get on a plane and go anywhere in the world in twen- less than 24 hours. That's insane.

Joe Rogan 18:29 Insane.

Jamie Vernon 18:30 And that happened over the course of 50 years, we mastered flying, which is-

Joe Rogan 18:36 Nuts.

Jamie Vernon 18:36 ... nuts. I mean, we can go anywhere.

Joe Rogan 18:40 Well, not only that, it's gonna get even crazier because they're, they're developing supersonic planes.

Jamie Vernon 18:44 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Again. You know, the Concorde-

Jamie Vernon 18:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:47 They, they got rid of the Concorde quite a long time ... I, I think it killed a bunch of rich people.

Jamie Vernon 18:50 Really?

Joe Rogan 18:50 Yeah, I think that's what happened. The last Concorde crash, I think it, it whacked a bunch of really rich people, and like, "This fucking thing is not safe."

Jamie Vernon 18:57 Uh-oh.

Joe Rogan 18:57 But they're, they're developing commercial jets that are going to be able to go anywhere in the world in four hours.

Jamie Vernon 19:05 No.

Joe Rogan 19:05 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 19:06 What?

Joe Rogan 19:07 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 19:07 That's gonna be crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Crazy. Supersonic jet travel.

Jamie Vernon 19:09 That might be too much. That might be too much, though.

Joe Rogan 19:11 Not onl- Well, even crazier than that, China is on the verge of developing some insane supersonic travel where they ... I, I think it's more for military, uh, applications, but there's a wind tunnel that China has developed.

Jamie Vernon 19:27 Really?

Joe Rogan 19:28 Yeah, that puts it, like, way ahead of what the American capabilities are in term ... At least what we know, right? What, whatever black ops and shit they're doing in the middle of the desert.

Jamie Vernon 19:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Um, but-

Jamie Vernon 19:41 Do you think that that has anything to do with ... 'Cause I just watched this 60 Minutes last night about the, the uo- UAPs or u-identified-

Joe Rogan 19:50 UFOs.

Jamie Vernon 19:50 ... you know, UFOs, but they call 'em uO- UAPs.

Joe Rogan 19:53 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 19:53 Did you see that? Uh-

Joe Rogan 19:54 Yeah, unidentified aerial phenomena.

Jamie Vernon 19:56 Yeah. And do you think that has anything to do with it? Because ...

Joe Rogan 19:59 It could. I don't ... I mean, who knows? Um, Jeremy Corbell is a good friend of mine and he's the guy who's been releasing them along with George Knapp, who's the journalist out of Las Vegas-

Jamie Vernon 20:08 Hm.

Joe Rogan 20:08 ... who was the guy who originally broke the Bob Lazar story in the late '80s. And there have been, uh ... It's, it's interesting because they're basically a go-between. It's they're getting direct correspondence from people on the inside.

Jamie Vernon 20:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:24 Um, sailors, uh, com- ... Uh, like guys like Commander D- David Fravor who, who saw that Tic Tac, um, shaped, uh, object off the coast-

Jamie Vernon 20:34 Flying across the sky, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:35 Off the Nimitz that went from 80,000 feet above sea level to 50 in less than a second. And-

Jamie Vernon 20:40 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 20:41 It's crazy. They-

Jamie Vernon 20:42 I went on the Nimitz, by the way.

Joe Rogan 20:43 Did you?

Jamie Vernon 20:44 I got to go on the Nimitz for 24 hours.

Joe Rogan 20:47 Wow.

Jamie Vernon 20:47 Fly in, land on the thing.

Joe Rogan 20:49 Oh, my God.

Jamie Vernon 20:50 It was crazy. Gotta go.

Joe Rogan 20:52 Does it ... Th- So it c- Like, a wire catches the jet?

Jamie Vernon 20:55 Full wire catches the jet.

Joe Rogan 20:56 Fuck.

Jamie Vernon 20:57 The whole thing. Land there, get off, go hang with all the crew. I mean, th- It's a full city. It is a floating city. They have a dentist office. They have an infirmary. They have an ER. They have ... You know, they can do anything. They have f- And it's fully nuclear-powered.

Joe Rogan 21:15 (sighs)

Jamie Vernon 21:15 So the thing can last, like, 50 years or something without getting refueled.

Joe Rogan 21:20 Whoa. That is crazy.

Jamie Vernon 21:21 It's nuts.

Joe Rogan 21:22 That's crazy. How big is it? See if you can get a video of the Nimitz.

Jamie Vernon 21:26 It's, it's, it's like four football fields long-

Joe Rogan 21:30 This, this video.

Jamie Vernon 21:30 ... or something crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:30 This, is it right here?

Jamie Vernon 21:31 It's his video.

21:32 Yeah. Oh, this is ... Yeah, that ... We made this video.

Joe Rogan 21:34 Yeah. There it is.

Jamie Vernon 21:34 Yeah, yeah.

21:34 Oh, there we go.

21:35 Yeah, we made this.

21:36 Wow. (sighs)

Joe Rogan 21:37 (laughs) Look at the fucking thing.

Jamie Vernon 21:38 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:38 Oh, my God. It's so huge. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 21:40 I know.

Joe Rogan 21:41 Wow. Wow.

Jamie Vernon 21:42 It's nuts. And we really have kinda mastered the military as a society, right? It's pretty nuts.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 21:51 And I hear China is on their third ... I, I didn't realize we only had 11 of these things. I thought we had 100, but we only have 11. And China is, like, is building their third right now.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Uh-oh.

Jamie Vernon 22:07 I was like, "Uh-oh, that's pretty close to 11."

Joe Rogan 22:10 (sighs) Wonder what John Cena has to say about that. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 22:17 (laughs) That poor bastard.

Joe Rogan 22:18 But they're, but they're ... Yeah, it's, it's, it's wild. It's, um ... It's ... Yeah. It was, it was crazy. But anyways, I don't know where we were on the UFOs.

Jamie Vernon 22:26 Uh, well, w- well, we were talking about the Nimitz. And, um, uh, Commander David Fravor and this, uh, these, th- these ... I mean, they, they did capture some of them on video. You know, there's the, the gimbal video and the go-fast video. And then there was actual ph- video footage of the craft that Commander Fravor and, uh, the other fighter pilots saw. It's a strange thing. And whether or not it's China, um, you know, who knows? We don't, we don't have, uh, any understanding of what the technology is. It ... And when I say we, I mean, like, the general public. Um, I'm sure someone in the military has an inkling of what's going on, and someone at the highest levels of physics. But the thing is, it's, it's a propulsion system that is ... It's alien com- in compar- Not alien, like, from another world, but alien in comparison to everything that we use conventionally. Hm.

Joe Rogan 23:23 In terms of, like, a jet. You know, a jet burns fuel, it pushes out the back. The fuel blasts the thing forward because it pushes this way and it goes that way. The same with rockets, same with jets, same with everything we use. This doesn't do that. It doesn't give off a hi- a heat signature. They don't know, uh, why it can do what it does. It can move thousands of miles an hour instantaneously. They don't know if, if it's occupied. That's the thing. It's, like ... I, I mean, I've said that I think it's probably ... There's probably, uh ... They're probably some sort of a drone, some sort of drone technology. But even if it was a drone technology, the way it was explained to me, um, is that when something moves that fast, anything that we have, that we've developed that moves that fast, like, instantaneously would break apart. Like, we don't, we don't have anything that's, like, structurally, structurally-

Jamie Vernon 24:15 Sound?

Joe Rogan 24:15 Yeah, sound enough to take that kinda g-force, that instantaneous g-force. You go-... you know, 80,000 miles an hour, whatever the fuck it is, like, i- instantly.

Scott Eastwood 24:25 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 24:26 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 24:26 To think though that if we could figure that out, we possibly could travel to other-

Joe Rogan 24:33 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 24:34 If we could figure out something that is sound that could go into outer space and travel at some crazy speed.

Joe Rogan 24:39 The idea is that it's some sort of a gravity propulsion system, that it doesn't work in a propulsion system like the conventional sense where it pushes something out the back. It works in a way that it bends gravity.

Scott Eastwood 24:50 What?

Joe Rogan 24:51 Yeah, exactly. W- you know, look, I don't know how dumb you are-

Scott Eastwood 24:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:54 ... but I'm pretty fucking dumb.

Scott Eastwood 24:55 Pretty dumb.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Yeah, so-

Scott Eastwood 24:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:56 ... this is a, a rough conversation to have. Uh, it's... Whatever the fuck it is, it's pretty clear that the government has reached a point where they've decided to st- start discussing it with us. And, you know, I had Christopher Mellon on from the Defense Department, and he (clears throat) ... formerly of the Defense Department, and he was talking about it. And the way he described their interactions with these things, like, it's very troubling because we don't understand what they're doing. We have no control over them. They can do things we're not capable of doing. They hover over top secret military bases. They hover over aircraft carriers and they... We don't know what they're doing. We don't know how they're operating. We don't know who's controlling them. You know, they can operate for hours and hours in the sky. W- there's nothing that we have that can do that, nothing that we have that can move that fast, that can-

Scott Eastwood 25:43 Wow.

Joe Rogan 25:43 ... that can just literally just hang out there for hours.

Scott Eastwood 25:46 So, so what was his prognosis? Did he think it was from-

Joe Rogan 25:52 He didn't... He's, he's pretty, uh, logical. He doesn't have, uh, a prognosis. He doesn't have... He doesn't even make an estimation or a guess. He's basically just trying to relay what they've encountered so far. And one of the things he said that's even... that disturbed me or, like, made me pause is, like, we have only seen the tip of the iceberg of the evidence they actually have.

Scott Eastwood 26:16 Because a lot of it's classified?

Joe Rogan 26:17 Yeah. A lot of it's classified and a lot of it is people on bases have filmed things and then they've locked it down. Now, Jeremy Corbell is getting a lot of attention because a lot of these people that have these videos, they reach out to him. Because if you're someone in the military who's concerned about these things and you're like, "Look, we gotta stop bullshitting the American public and let... just, and the world, and stop keeping this stuff secret and put it out there. So let scientists look at it. Let propulsion experts look at it. Let, you know, engineers look at it and let them explain why we can't do this, and explain how maybe something could be made if you had some insane amount of power or some incredible breakthrough in terms of technology that could allow some being, whether it's us, whether it's like... whe- whether we don't know that some... whether it's Russia or China or whoever has this capability, or whether it's some being from another planet or whether it's something that lives in the ocean." You know, that's the weirdest one, man. They've, they've got video... One of the more recent videos that Jeremy released is, uh, what they call a trans-medium vehicle, meaning it flies through the air and then goes into the water. And they're like, "What the fuck is that?"

Scott Eastwood 27:37 What?

Joe Rogan 27:38 Yeah. And this is from... I believe it was from 2019, but this was another one of their, uh, breakthrough videos where this is... You know, this is also filmed... I think it was filmed from an aircraft carrier. What was the, uh-

Scott Eastwood 27:52 I feel like I s- maybe I heard a little bit about that on 60 Minutes.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 27:55 That it went into the water.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Bro, it, it's freaking people out.

Scott Eastwood 27:57 And four people saw it.

Joe Rogan 27:58 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 27:58 Four fighter pilots-

Joe Rogan 28:00 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 28:00 ... actually saw it. They were all... said the same thing, "No, we saw this." And two different planes.

Joe Rogan 28:05 Yeah. Someone filmed something off the coast of Hawaii that did something very similar recently too. Same thing, went, went into the water.

Scott Eastwood 28:13 Really?

Joe Rogan 28:14 Yeah. They don't know what the fuck it is, man. They don't know what it is. Uh, it's weird that we're seeing so many of them recently. And I think it's because our fucking society's falling apart. (laughs) I think they realize we're sleeping at the wheel.

Scott Eastwood 28:26 Maybe or, or there's just way more video cameras now.

Joe Rogan 28:31 Could be.

Scott Eastwood 28:32 Right? I mean-

Joe Rogan 28:33 Could be.

Scott Eastwood 28:33 ... it's kind of like I see all these shark videos, right?

Joe Rogan 28:36 Did you see that recent one?

Scott Eastwood 28:37 No. What's the recent one?

Joe Rogan 28:38 Oh my God. There's one off of Massachusetts where there's a bunch of tourists on a boat.

Scott Eastwood 28:41 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 28:42 Oh my God. This thing is so big.

Scott Eastwood 28:44 So big.

Joe Rogan 28:44 It's so big. It's like a 15-foot-long great white.

Scott Eastwood 28:47 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 28:47 It's swimming through the water right next to them.

Scott Eastwood 28:49 They're so... And they're so wide too.

Joe Rogan 28:51 Dude, this is... This is a wild one because the guy who's, uh, filming is like, "Holy shit." Like, you, you can see this thing swimming in the water while there's like, you know, 50 people in this boat watching it.

Scott Eastwood 29:02 You see, I think though... I think a lot of it-

Joe Rogan 29:04 You got a-

Scott Eastwood 29:04 I think they've been there for a long time. I think they've been there for a long time, and we just have more cameras. I don't think there's any more sharks. I mean, maybe because we're not... we're not hunting them as much, but I... It feels like there's just more cameras.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Well, that's the case for sharks for sure because of drone technology. Like, one of the things they've done off the coast of Malibu is there's a bunch of people surfing.

Scott Eastwood 29:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:28 And they're having a good time. "Yeah, man, taking in the waves."

Scott Eastwood 29:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:31 And then you look, like, 100 yards off and there's a great white swimming around. They have... They're completely oblivious.

Scott Eastwood 29:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:36 They have no idea.

Scott Eastwood 29:36 I'm a surfer, so I get that.

Joe Rogan 29:38 Do you s- Where do you surf?

Scott Eastwood 29:39 Uh, well, I surf all over. I actually just got back from Mexico. I was down there just on a surf trip at the very bottom of Mexico on the border of Guatemala.

Joe Rogan 29:48 Are there sharks out there?

Scott Eastwood 29:50 Oh, yeah. I mean, you don't see-

Joe Rogan 29:52 You're cool-

Scott Eastwood 29:52 ... you don't see them.

Joe Rogan 29:53 You're cool with that?

Scott Eastwood 29:53 Look, man. We're all just-

Joe Rogan 29:55 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 29:55 We're all... We're all (laughs) ... We're all renting space on this planet, you know. It's like-

Joe Rogan 30:00 I feel you.

Scott Eastwood 30:01 If that's the way I'm gonna go, that, that's not a bad way.

Joe Rogan 30:04 Can you... Did you find that video?

Scott Eastwood 30:06 It's the... I found one that it's not... It might not be new. You might have just seen it, but there's a bunch of ones from like... There's Large Marge, they call it, I guess.

Joe Rogan 30:13 No, this is, uh... This is-

Scott Eastwood 30:14 You never heard of that one?

Joe Rogan 30:14 ... really recent. This is filmed-

Scott Eastwood 30:16 I know. I'm not seeing any recent videos popping up.

Joe Rogan 30:18 Um, m- uh, large shark-

Scott Eastwood 30:21 I know. That's why I typed in Massachusetts-

Joe Rogan 30:22 ... off coast of Massachusetts. Nothing?

Scott Eastwood 30:24 ... and it's not giving me anything. There's too many videos from, like, last year.

Joe Rogan 30:26 (sighs) (clears throat) ... there's too many shark videos out there.

Scott Eastwood 30:29 There's a lot of shark videos.

Joe Rogan 30:30 Yeah. Um, I don't... I think there's more sightings than there have been before. Well, the Commander Fravor one is from 2004, uh, that sighting, but one of the things that the guys in the Nimitz were saying is that they were encountering these things on a regular basis.

Scott Eastwood 30:45 Sure.

Joe Rogan 30:46 They were encountering multiple, uh, objects like that a month.

Scott Eastwood 30:49 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:51 This is another one? What is this one?

Scott Eastwood 30:52 It says, "Five days ago." Almost what you were saying.

Joe Rogan 30:54 Uh.

Scott Eastwood 30:54 Duxbury Beach, great white shark, 15 feet in length. But this is like a...

Joe Rogan 31:00 Yeah. This isn't the one. This is off a beach. Oh, that's a big fucker. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 31:05 That's like- I mean-

Joe Rogan 31:05 (laughs) Those things scare me.

Scott Eastwood 31:06 You know what the thing is, though, that's crazy, is like, we're fishing for tuna and a lot of their food.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 31:13 And then people are like, "Well, you can't kill a shark."

Joe Rogan 31:16 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 31:16 And you're like, well, but you'll go to Nobu and have like this, you know, blue fin sushi that's delicious, but you know, where's your-

Joe Rogan 31:25 But you know what happened? Here's the shift, because people used to eat shark all the time.

Scott Eastwood 31:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:28 They used to go to a restaurant and order mako shark. Um, the sharks fin soup controversy happened-

Scott Eastwood 31:35 Sure.

Joe Rogan 31:36 ... where people saw that some people were hacking the fins off sharks and then throwing them back in the water to die, and the abject cruelty of that struck a chord. And then, the zeitgeist decided that sharks should be protected.

Scott Eastwood 31:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:53 And that we shouldn't eat sharks.

Scott Eastwood 31:55 I, yeah, I'm, I guess I'm... Look, I'm, I'm all about animal conservation. I'm al- I also eat meat and eat fish, and I think responsible fishing, responsible hunting, that's the answer, not, uh... There's not one size fits all, like, no, it's just over. It's like, well, come on. Like don't be... Let's calm down.

Joe Rogan 32:16 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 32:17 We've been doing this since the beginning of time. Let's just let it cycle and repopulate and, you know, live maybe... Instead of every time you go to a sushi restaurant, there's this, this one thing that you have to have.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 32:30 It's, you know, that's not in season.

Joe Rogan 32:32 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 32:32 Right?

Joe Rogan 32:32 I think, I think what we need to do is have really responsible wildlife biologists examine populations, whether it's, uh, wild animals or wild fish. And the problem that we're encountering for sure, uh, is that there's people in other countries that just don't give a fuck.

Scott Eastwood 32:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:51 And they just will overfish areas and that... You know, look, if you're poor, I get it. You know, if you're- you're living in some country and this is the o- the only way you feed your family, you know, who gives a shit about those fish? That's how- that's your perspective? I get it. But there, there won't be an unlimited amount of them. There's gonna come a time, their fishing methods are so effective-

Scott Eastwood 33:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:15 ... that they're able to pull so many fish out of the water, and so indiscriminately, where, you know, dolphins get caught.

Scott Eastwood 33:22 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:23 Turtles get caught in nets.

Scott Eastwood 33:25 But it does feel, it doesn't feel like... If you are from a very poor country and that's all you have is fishing and that's your thing, that doesn't feel like it's doing the major dent in the ocean. It's the, the massive trawlers.

Joe Rogan 33:39 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 33:39 The, the big corporations-

Joe Rogan 33:40 Right.

Scott Eastwood 33:40 ... that take, take, take, take, take because they have to have whatever it is on their menu.

Joe Rogan 33:46 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 33:47 You know? It's like, okay, I get it. It's like, you know, you're a fisherman, you're feeding your family. That's like, that's a sustainable way of going about it. You go out and get fish, you bring it back. But if you're... You just have to totally destroy the ocean doing it, that's maybe at the cost of, just for profit, seems a little...

Joe Rogan 34:06 Well, it's crazy-

Scott Eastwood 34:07 You know?

Joe Rogan 34:07 ... because it's, there's... You know, the ocean is kind of like fair game, right? There's, uh... In, when you're in the wild ocean. I don't know-

Scott Eastwood 34:17 Mariti- maritime laws.

Joe Rogan 34:18 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 34:18 They're, they're different. They're not... They're like its own country almost.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Right.

Scott Eastwood 34:23 You know?

Joe Rogan 34:23 Like, I don't know what regulations they have-

Scott Eastwood 34:25 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 34:25 ... in terms of like how many tuna you can pull out. Do they- I mean, is it regulated? And if you d- if you are like using nets, how do you control how many tuna you get?

Scott Eastwood 34:33 Well, it's regulated. It's regulated in, in America.

Joe Rogan 34:35 Right.

Scott Eastwood 34:35 Um, at, at least in our surrounding waters, right? Like, fi- Fish and Game do regulate, you know, limits and commer-

Joe Rogan 34:42 Sport fishing, for sure. The commercial-

Scott Eastwood 34:44 And commercial. And commercial.

Joe Rogan 34:45 Right.

Scott Eastwood 34:45 And they have seasons, but like you said, once you get outside of, you know, into international waters, that's where it gets complicated.

Joe Rogan 34:52 Yeah. I mean, how do you stop a country from overfishing? I mean, they've had a hard time, like Sea Shepherd has had a really hard time stopping people from whaling, believe it or not. In this, in this day and age, they'll, they... What Sea Shepherd has caught is these, uh, countries that pretend they're doing it for scientific purposes.

Scott Eastwood 35:12 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 35:12 So, they'll kill a whale and they'll, they'll say it's for research. They'll like have a research vessel.

Scott Eastwood 35:17 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:18 And they'll kill these whales and they'll have them on their boat and then they just sell them and use the parts and use all the stuff that they... You know, like, they use them for cosmetics and all sorts of weird things. And-

Scott Eastwood 35:29 Get the oils and stuff.

Joe Rogan 35:30 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 35:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:30 And they'll say that this is for research.

Scott Eastwood 35:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:34 And, you know, they've done an amazing job highlighting these issues, but it's very difficult to get other countries to comply. And, you know, those Sea Shepherd folks, they put their lives at risk doing that because there's an, an immense amount of profit-

Scott Eastwood 35:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:46 ... involved in a whale. Which is-

Scott Eastwood 35:49 How, how do you draw the line though? Like if someone... Say, say a country like Iceland, for example, who has been whaling for the beginning of time.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 35:57 And they're eating the whale.

Joe Rogan 35:59 Right.

Scott Eastwood 35:59 So then, it gets into like a weird no man's land where you're like, "Okay, I can s- tell you you can't fish that, but you can fish this."

Joe Rogan 36:08 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 36:08 It kind of is a little...

Joe Rogan 36:11 I feel you.

Scott Eastwood 36:12 You know?

Joe Rogan 36:12 Yeah, it's weird. Well, also indigenous c- uh, communities are allowed to, uh, hunt whales and seals and all sorts of other things in this country.

Scott Eastwood 36:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:20 And, you know, the rest of the folks aren't. It's, it's, it's touchy. Like, uh, like I don't wanna eat a fucking whale. I don't wanna kill a whale.

Scott Eastwood 36:27 No, probably not.

Joe Rogan 36:27 They're cool.

Scott Eastwood 36:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:29 Have you ever seen a whale in the wi-

Scott Eastwood 36:30 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:30 ... in the wild?

Scott Eastwood 36:30 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:31 Oh my God, I've been-

Scott Eastwood 36:31 Amazing animals.

Joe Rogan 36:32 We went on a, uh, a whale watch, uh, tour in Hawaii last year. Uh, pre-COVID. It was amazing. Dude, they breach the water in front of you and it's like, "Oh my God!"... I mean, it was incredible.

Scott Eastwood 36:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:46 I mean, my kids were screaming, we were screaming. It was like, you get close to them and you see them out of the water, and you, you can't believe it.

Scott Eastwood 36:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:52 S-

Scott Eastwood 36:52 The magnitude of-

Joe Rogan 36:53 Oh.

Scott Eastwood 36:54 ... how big they are.

Joe Rogan 36:54 Immense.

Scott Eastwood 36:55 And then, you hear them under water. (whining)

Joe Rogan 36:58 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 36:59 Like, they're talking to each other.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Yeah. They're inc- they're incredible.

Scott Eastwood 37:02 They're incredible.

Joe Rogan 37:02 But then again, orcas come along and murder them. So, like-

Scott Eastwood 37:05 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 37:05 ... hey, what do you do about that? Like, we can't stop... Look, everybody loves orcas.

Scott Eastwood 37:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:11 Everybody. But-

Scott Eastwood 37:11 Unless you're getting eaten by one.

Joe Rogan 37:12 But they call them killer whales because they kill whales.

Scott Eastwood 37:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:16 That's what's fucked.

Scott Eastwood 37:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 It's like, hey man, I don't know who I like more. Like, if there's a, a gang fight between whales and orcas-

Scott Eastwood 37:24 Mm.

Joe Rogan 37:24 ... I don't know whose team I'm on. (smacks lips) I don't know what to say there.

Scott Eastwood 37:28 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 37:28 I don't wanna pick a side.

Scott Eastwood 37:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:29 Right? How do you pick a side there? Everybody loves orcas. Everybody loves whales. But when you see a whale getting fucked up by killer whales, like, what do you do?

Scott Eastwood 37:39 It's w- yeah. It's, that's nature right there and it's, that's like it's distilled down to its granular moment.

Joe Rogan 37:45 It's like the ultimate-

Scott Eastwood 37:45 It's a-

Joe Rogan 37:45 ... question. Like, whose side are you on, right? Do you love wolves or do you love elk? If you see a-

Scott Eastwood 37:52 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 37:52 ... wolf eating an elk asshole first and tearing it apart and it's (imitates whale sounds) .

Scott Eastwood 37:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:59 And it's, you know, trying to get away-

Scott Eastwood 38:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:01 ... and it's getting ripped apart. Like-

Scott Eastwood 38:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:02 ... I'm not on team elk or team wolf.

Scott Eastwood 38:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:05 What do I do? I just, I have to just accept that this is a part of the cycle of life.

Scott Eastwood 38:10 So, I s- I ... It's actually on my Instagram, uh, from a while ago, Jimmy. But, uh, I paddled out in near-southern Baja and ... On a paddleboard with my buddy because we saw some killer whales. And we're like, "Yeah, let's just go paddle out there and see." And my buddy starts making whale noises. And I'm, I'm sort of like (laughs) , "Okay, dude. Okay, ha ha." Like, "Ha, you're gonna get them. They're gonna come back." They make a U-turn. (gasps) A mom and a baby orca combed up to us. We're on an inflatable paddleboard.

Joe Rogan 38:45 Is this you guys?

Scott Eastwood 38:46 Yep, this is it.

Joe Rogan 38:47 Oh, my God.

Scott Eastwood 38:48 And they-

Joe Rogan 38:48 Whoa, that's crazy.

Scott Eastwood 38:51 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Oh, my God (laughs) , they're under you.

Scott Eastwood 38:53 And so, and so at this point I, uh, uh, now, like, I'm like, "Oh my God, this is so cool."

Narrator 38:58 And then they sw-

Scott Eastwood 38:58 And then I freak out because then I'm like, "Hey bro-

Joe Rogan 39:00 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 39:00 ... stop. You can't ... Now we're the prey."

Joe Rogan 39:04 You don't even have life vests on. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 39:05 We're the prey. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:07 That's incredible. I wanna hear these fucking news people talk about it. "Incredible."

Scott Eastwood 39:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:12 "Scott Eastwood off the coast of Mexico, spots a killer whale."

Scott Eastwood 39:17 (laughs) That's, that's ... I think that's what they said.

Joe Rogan 39:20 My favorite, um, broadcast moment of all time was like, one of ... It was one of these guys that's doing that. "He does this thing where he talks like this." And then a bee-

Scott Eastwood 39:30 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:30 ... gets on him.

Scott Eastwood 39:31 I've seen this.

Joe Rogan 39:31 Says, "You motherfucker, get the fuck off-" (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 39:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:34 So good.

Scott Eastwood 39:35 So good.

Joe Rogan 39:35 Like, we need like real people news. We need like a r-

Scott Eastwood 39:38 Yes.

Joe Rogan 39:38 Like, that guy just to drop all that bullshit and just b- be who you are when the bee was going after you.

Scott Eastwood 39:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:44 And tell me what's going on now.

Scott Eastwood 39:45 He's like, "Get me out of this country of motherfucking shit."

Joe Rogan 39:49 (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 39:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:49 But it's incredible because you see like this, like, full dropping of this act.

Scott Eastwood 39:54 I know.

Joe Rogan 39:55 That act is a weird act. It's like they feel like they have to do that. Like, "Hey, here's Bob with the weather." It's the same thing with like, uh, top 40 DJs.

Scott Eastwood 40:03 Mm.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Like, "Coming up next-"

Scott Eastwood 40:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:04 ... you know? And then they have this like fucking voice that they put on.

Scott Eastwood 40:08 "DJ Skittles."

Joe Rogan 40:09 Yeah, it's weird.

Scott Eastwood 40:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:10 It's like someone must have been really good at that voice somewhere along the line.

Scott Eastwood 40:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:15 And everybody was like, "Wow, I wanna p- I wanna sound like Tom. Tom is really good on the mic."

Scott Eastwood 40:19 That's true.

Joe Rogan 40:20 "He's got that voice."

Scott Eastwood 40:21 Do you remember Pablo Fr-

Joe Rogan 40:22 Who is this guy? (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 40:23 Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan 40:23 Pablo Francisco. Yeah-

Scott Eastwood 40:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:24 ... he's a friend of mine. Here he goes.

Narrator 40:26 Oh, no, I ain't messing with you. Oh, no, dude.

Scott Eastwood 40:29 (laughs)

Narrator 40:30 Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Scott Eastwood 40:33 (laughs)

Narrator 40:36 Oh, no, I ain't messing with you.

Joe Rogan 40:38 Is it ... What is that? Uh-

Scott Eastwood 40:39 A bison.

Joe Rogan 40:39 Is that a bison?

Scott Eastwood 40:40 He's like-

Narrator 40:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:41 Good move.

Scott Eastwood 40:42 I saw that animal.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Get the fuck out of there.

Narrator 40:43 Oh, he's messing with you.

Joe Rogan 40:44 Where is the bison? Is he climbing in the truck?

Scott Eastwood 40:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:47 He climbed in his car. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 40:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:50 He climbed in the hatch.

Scott Eastwood 40:51 Maybe he saw a grizzly. He was in Yellowstone.

Joe Rogan 40:52 Oh, shit. Speaking of that, d- it's- it's-

Scott Eastwood 40:53 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Going viral today. Did you see this video of the l- lady attacking the bear that was going after her dogs- Yes.

Scott Eastwood 40:59 ... in her backyard?

Joe Rogan 40:59 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 41:00 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 41:00 This dog was s- ... Well, what was going on was the bear was a mama bear with her cubs, and they were running across the top of this like, um, uh, like, uh, stone fence.

Narrator 41:11 Wild enca- Sorry.

Joe Rogan 41:12 Yeah, p- play it.

Scott Eastwood 41:13 I don't know that song.

Joe Rogan 41:14 And the lady is a fucking gangster.

Scott Eastwood 41:17 No.

Joe Rogan 41:17 So, she's only 17.

Scott Eastwood 41:17 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 41:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take it from the beginning. Take it from the beginning because you get to see the little ones.

Scott Eastwood 41:22 Is that a black bear?

Joe Rogan 41:23 The little one. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 41:23 Or a brown bear?

Joe Rogan 41:23 See the little ones? See the little bears?

Scott Eastwood 41:25 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 41:25 See, it's a mama with her cubs.

Scott Eastwood 41:28 Oh.

Joe Rogan 41:28 And so, the bear does not want to hurt those dogs. Look at that crazy lady though. That lady is gangster as fuck.

Scott Eastwood 41:35 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 41:35 She just pushed that bear off the top of the fence. I mean that-

Scott Eastwood 41:37 Oh.

Joe Rogan 41:37 ... that's a fucking 300-pound bear. That's a color phase brown bear, right? So, the dogs are barking. The bear swatting at them, but the only reason why the bear is doing that is 'cause the mama bear, and she's got her cubs with her. But that lady is a fucking gangster.

Scott Eastwood 41:53 She's a gangster.

Joe Rogan 41:54 Look at her, grabs her little arms.

Scott Eastwood 41:55 That's pretty boss.

Joe Rogan 41:56 Come on, man. Oh, it's a 17-year-old girl.

Scott Eastwood 41:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:59 Oh, my God.

Scott Eastwood 42:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:00 Even more gangster. Look at that.

Scott Eastwood 42:03 She has no idea how lucky she is.

Joe Rogan 42:05 She's a savage. Look at her. Somebody marry that girl.

Scott Eastwood 42:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:08 Wait till she turns 18 and marry her.

Scott Eastwood 42:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:10 She's a keeper. That's a keeper.

Scott Eastwood 42:13 That's a keeper.

Joe Rogan 42:13 Right?

Scott Eastwood 42:14 That's pretty boss.

Joe Rogan 42:14 That ki- ... I wouldn't do that.

Scott Eastwood 42:16 I know.

Joe Rogan 42:16 I'd throw a rock (laughs) from a fair distance.

Scott Eastwood 42:19 I know-

Joe Rogan 42:19 But-

Scott Eastwood 42:19 ... we were just talking about, uh, Yellowstone and I saw that and I was telling you about the hunting and the bears.

Joe Rogan 42:25 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 42:26 Now you got me thinking about it.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Oh, Wyoming. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 42:29 Wyoming.

Joe Rogan 42:29 Yeah, you're going to Wyoming. Be very careful. I've had friends that have enc- have had encounters with bears in Wyoming. It's, it's, uh ... Wyoming's gorgeous but it's really lightly populated. There's very few human beings.

Scott Eastwood 42:42 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 42:42 And, uh, the bears up there are no joke.

Scott Eastwood 42:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:47 You know? And when-

Scott Eastwood 42:48 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 42:48 The thing is if like ... It's almost like if you shoot a bear at night-... you know, like, if you shoot a bear at, like, 6:00 PM and it gets dark at 7:00 PM, like, just get out of there. Just d- g- you're not gonna pack it out at night.

Scott Eastwood 43:03 Well, I'm not hunting bear up there.

Joe Rogan 43:04 No, no.

Scott Eastwood 43:05 But if I shot a bear-

Joe Rogan 43:06 Did I say a bear?

Scott Eastwood 43:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:06 Did I say a bear? Or I'm s-

Scott Eastwood 43:07 Yeah, bear. You meant elk.

Joe Rogan 43:07 I meant an elk.

Scott Eastwood 43:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:08 I'm just confused 'cause I'm scared of bears.

Scott Eastwood 43:10 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:10 So I'm like, I'm saying bear, thinking about elk. If you shot an elk up there, what I should say is-

Scott Eastwood 43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 ... and you know, it's like 6:00 at night and you're ch- trying to pack it out-

Scott Eastwood 43:18 Come back in the morning.

Joe Rogan 43:19 ... come back in the morning. Yeah. You know what they do, is guys, like, pee around the elk and they'll take their clothes off, and they'll throw the smell of their clothes on, on the carcass so the bears will hesitate. You know?

Scott Eastwood 43:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yeah. They'll, they'll throw, like, shirts, like sweaty shirts and shit on the elk-

Scott Eastwood 43:36 And I was listening to that, I was listening to that when you were talking to Renello on here.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Oh, when he almost got killed in, uh, Fog Neck Island? That's a terrifying story.

Scott Eastwood 43:45 Terrifying.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Yeah. That's the situation. That, that is exactly the situation where they shot an elk and then they went back to retrieve it. And when they went back to retrieve it, a bear had decided it was his.

Scott Eastwood 43:58 Not cool.

Joe Rogan 43:58 And it was like an 11-foot bear.

Scott Eastwood 44:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Bro. This ceiling is what? What is the ceiling? Is this 10 feet?

Jamie Vernon 44:05 No, nine.

Joe Rogan 44:06 Nine? (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 44:08 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 44:08 Oh, man. I was just looking at a 10-foot ceiling.

Joe Rogan 44:10 (laughs) Just fucking imagine something two feet taller than this ceiling. Ah! (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 44:17 So messed up.

Joe Rogan 44:17 Dude, just come- fucking imagine something two feet taller than this ceiling that weighs 1,000 pounds.

Scott Eastwood 44:24 That you can't outrun.

Joe Rogan 44:25 Oh, not even close. They run faster than the fastest sprinter that's ever lived.

Scott Eastwood 44:30 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 44:31 You know John Dudley?

Scott Eastwood 44:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Shout out to John Dudley of Nocktown Archery.

Scott Eastwood 44:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:35 He, uh, was watching through a scope and he saw a bear kill a moose by swatting it on the back and breaking its back.

Scott Eastwood 44:44 No.

Joe Rogan 44:44 He said it hit it in the back and it snapped the bear, the bear snapped the moose's spine. What?

Scott Eastwood 44:52 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 44:53 What?

Scott Eastwood 44:54 Did it fall down a cliff or something?

Jamie Vernon 44:55 Must have.

Joe Rogan 44:55 Just fucking (mouths explosion) just fell down. That's how powerful they are.

Scott Eastwood 45:01 Man, you got me a little nervous, I'm not gonna lie.

Joe Rogan 45:03 It's like you punching a baby.

Scott Eastwood 45:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 45:06 What is this? Oh, yeah, this is this one, this moose was on the side of the road and this bear comes along and just drags it away. I don't know if this moose got hit by a car or what. Probably. But look how this bear just grabs it and just drags it.

Scott Eastwood 45:19 It's nature, man. It is, it is not-

Joe Rogan 45:22 Yeah. I mean-

Scott Eastwood 45:22 ... forgiving.

Joe Rogan 45:23 It's not forgiving, but it's also the reason why there's enough resources. There's a reason... I mean, it's a horrible thing to say, right? But there's a reason why there's enough plants, there's a reason why there's enough birds and there's enough, you know, g- ground squirrels and all these diff- There's a balance to all this and it has to exist in this way. You can't just let moose overpopulate the Earth. They'll run out of food and then they'll, uh, be wracked with disease and they'll be everywhere. Like, you need bears to kill the moose and you need... Unfortunately, you, you need all these animals to... Uh, d- they'd be... The only way to balance them out is something has to come along and eat them. So there's a-

Scott Eastwood 46:02 So what kil- what kills humans?

Joe Rogan 46:03 We do, and disease.

Scott Eastwood 46:05 That's true.

Joe Rogan 46:06 And stupidity. You know? You need to go to, uh, all, all those Instagram pages where-

Scott Eastwood 46:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:12 ... dudes are doing, like, crazy stunts and I watched, uh, Willy D had a, uh, a video of these, this couple fighting on a porch and they fell off the porch.

Scott Eastwood 46:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:23 They were, and they were fucking slapping each other and fighting and shit on a porch, and the porch collapsed and they fell-

Scott Eastwood 46:28 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 46:28 ... two stories onto the concrete below. It's rough. That's what kills people.

Scott Eastwood 46:33 Humans.

Joe Rogan 46:35 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 46:35 And disease. You're right.

Joe Rogan 46:36 Two, two fat people getting in a fight.

Jamie Vernon 46:37 Oh, sh-

Joe Rogan 46:37 Yeah. Yeah, it's rough. You wanna watch it? Here.

Jamie Vernon 46:39 All right. All right.

Joe Rogan 46:39 Put it up for us guys.

Scott Eastwood 46:39 It's crazy though, like-

Joe Rogan 46:40 Don't sh- don't show it to everybody else, just look at my face.

Jamie Vernon 46:43 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:43 I'll loo- uh... Here, watch this.

Jamie Vernon 46:46 Oh, to restart, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:46 Show it again. Restart.

Scott Eastwood 46:47 Oh, my.

Jamie Vernon 46:48 Uh, there, there.

Joe Rogan 46:50 Watch this.

Jamie Vernon 46:51 You see how it just goes?

Joe Rogan 46:52 Watch this. Boom.

Scott Eastwood 46:53 Oh.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 46:55 My God.

Joe Rogan 46:55 Not good. And I'm pretty sure the lady landed on her head.

Scott Eastwood 46:58 It's crazy though, like, to think about the things we do (bang sound) to other humans.

Joe Rogan 47:01 Yeah. Horrible.

Scott Eastwood 47:02 The, like, the, the atrocities, just things. And we're, we're an evolved so- society at this point. We're an evolved species, kind of, not really.

Joe Rogan 47:11 The most, well, really, the most evolved the world's ever known.

Scott Eastwood 47:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Well, the abso- look, we are n- certainly not perfect but when it comes to conflict, we are the most evolved the world has ever known because we can, we can protest this conflict. Like, look at what's going on right now with Israel and Palestine. Whatever side of the fence you fall on, and I don't wanna be political about this, but I wanna say that the world is watching and the world is watching what's happening in Gaza. The world is d- and then people have their opinions one way or the other. But everyone is aware of what's going on in a way that has, is unprecedented. Like, if you g- you wanna go back to World War II, we would get newspapers from World War II, right? We would get, they would, they would show, uh, before movies, they would show news clips when you could see what's happening overseas and people would kind of try to put together a sense of what's going on. There's n- there's no real footage when they stormed the beach at Normandy, right?

Scott Eastwood 48:12 No.

Joe Rogan 48:13 I mean, but we know-

Scott Eastwood 48:13 No GoPros.

Joe Rogan 48:15 We know it must've been horrific. Horrific. But now we get to see things. We get to see the iron curtain over Israel. We get to see the, the rockets flying back and forth. It's fucking crazy. We get to see things.

Scott Eastwood 48:28 Oh, I mean, it's, it's just nuts. Over, I mean, over what? Like what... At the end of the day-

Joe Rogan 48:33 I don't understand it.

Scott Eastwood 48:33 ... I mean, we, we're only just here for this little-

Joe Rogan 48:36 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 48:36 ... little blip and then it's gone. It's over. We're dust and we spend it hating each other, fighting each other. It's just, it's sad.

Joe Rogan 48:44 Most of it, in my opinion, is an extreme lack of either one-on-one communication or the ability to come, to, to u- to understand each other.Like, if you're talking about countries, like it's, like China versus United States, or Russia versus United States, what... Like, we're not talking to them. We don't even know what their language sound. We don't understand what they're saying, right? If, if we had some sort of a war with China, we don't even know what their perspective is. We can't, we don't, we, we don't speak their language, right?

Scott Eastwood 49:21 Yeah. We're all just humans. They're humans, we're humans.

Joe Rogan 49:23 Exactly.

Scott Eastwood 49:24 We're all, we all have to do the same thing. We're all ... Inher- inherently, there's a lot of good-

Joe Rogan 49:29 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 49:29 ... and a lot of good people. Why can't we just come to that middle ground and go, "Okay, look, we're, we're all here existing. Let's just try to be better."?

Joe Rogan 49:39 Well, I think people are inherently wrapped in conflict. I think we have been since the beginning of time, because conflict is the only thing that's allowed us to survive, right? Whether it's conflict, uh, getting, you know, protecting ourselves from predators, or conflict because of, uh, raiding tribes that were trying to take what, what we had.

Scott Eastwood 49:56 Resources, right?

Joe Rogan 49:57 Yeah. We, yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're someone who's coming from a desert and you, you run into this oasis, and this oasis is filled with people that have a, an, uh, an incredible bounty of food, but they're trying to protect it, and you have children to feed, you go into war. I mean, that, that's what's happened throughout human history.

Scott Eastwood 50:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:14 People have always attacked the other, and especially if the other speaks some sort of different tongue that you don't understand, it's, it's easy to-

Scott Eastwood 50:21 So you can't find common ground-

Joe Rogan 50:22 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 50:23 ... and say, "Okay, hey-"

Joe Rogan 50:24 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 50:25 "... let's, let's find a middle ground here. Let's, you know, here's what we need, but here's what you need. Let's, let's, let's cut the deck."

Joe Rogan 50:30 Yeah. I mean, just think about how easy it is for people in this country to, to demonize the other when it comes to people in this own countr- in the same country as them, that speak the same language, that hold different political beliefs.

Scott Eastwood 50:44 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 50:45 Crazy. Crazy. I mean, when, when Trump lost and Biden came into office, and they started putting together lists of, uh, Republicans that, uh, that, uh, somehow or another aided Trump, and they're like, they, they wanted to blackball these people and make sure they never worked again, and make sure that, that they were ostracized, and like, whoa. Like, you're making lists? Like, didn't we learn anything from the McCarthy era? Like, what are you, what are you doing? But it's like this, this other, this ... You're not treating them as com- as people that have a different perspective than you do, that maybe you can come to common ground with, and just have a conversation, and like, we're all here for a short amount of time. We want our children to be happy. We want our, our communities to be safe. We want our, our, our families to be healthy, and people to be educated, and, and to do well and prosper, right? That's what everybody wants.

Scott Eastwood 51:35 You'd think so, though, and then you see, like you said, you know, making lists or trying to take people down because-

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 51:43 ... they did something or they said something, you know, that they didn't like, and they're trying to get them fired from their jobs, and take away their ability to make money. It just-

Joe Rogan 51:53 It's weird.

Scott Eastwood 51:54 ... it m- it's, it's sa- it's sad. I'm like, "Damn, man."

Joe Rogan 51:56 It is sad. It's sad. Uh, well, you know what? It's a newfound tool, and I don't think people know how to use it correctly.

Scott Eastwood 52:02 What, because ... Are you saying it's newfound because of-

Joe Rogan 52:04 The internet.

Scott Eastwood 52:04 ... technology?

Joe Rogan 52:05 Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 52:05 'Cause information just spreads so fast?

Joe Rogan 52:08 Yeah. Well, e- everyone has the ability to do it now, right? Like, people have the ability to, uh, voice opinions and attack people, and e- e- even express opinions that are silly. And, and other people will agree with those silly opinions 'cause they're silly as well. Like, I was watching this video the other day where this woman was saying that if you, uh, you are not willing to date someone because they're overweight, she was this enormous lady, she was saying if you're not willing to date someone if they're overweight, then you're a bigot.

Scott Eastwood 52:38 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:39 And that e- things you share in common with someone, you know, the differences of opinion should be like, "I like this kind of food, I like that kind of food," but if you're not interested in someone who's overweight, that's like saying, "I don't like people because they're a different race than I am." That's racist. Or, "I don't like people because they're, um, you know, they have a handicap." That's ableist. She's like, "If you're saying you're not attracted to someone 'cause they're overweight, then you're fatphobic and you're a bigot." It w- it's one of the wildest videos I've ev- 'cause people were freaking out laughing at it and mocking it and getting angry about it. But my point about it was this is perf- it's a perfect example, because what the internet has done is allow people that most people wouldn't listen to them in the real world. Like, if you were working with some lady-

Scott Eastwood 53:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:27 ... and she was like, "The only reason why, um, men are not attracted to me is 'cause they're bigots," you'd be like, "Okay, Denise."

Scott Eastwood 53:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:34 "Have a nice day."

Scott Eastwood 53:35 Denise.

Joe Rogan 53:35 "See you Monday."

Scott Eastwood 53:36 You crazy girl, you.

Joe Rogan 53:37 You would just, you would go, "Okay, bye. Sorry, Denises."

Scott Eastwood 53:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:40 I don't wanna turn Denise into the new Karen.

Scott Eastwood 53:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:42 But y- you-

Scott Eastwood 53:43 But it s- sounds right.

Joe Rogan 53:44 But you wouldn't, you wouldn't take her seriously.

Scott Eastwood 53:47 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 53:47 But if this person goes online, they go on TikTok and they put this video out there, and then a lot of other crackpots on Tickpod-

Scott Eastwood 53:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:55 ... on TikTok-

Scott Eastwood 53:56 Tickpod. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:57 ... TikToks, on TikTok, like, "Yeah, she's right. Yeah."

Scott Eastwood 54:01 Denise.

Joe Rogan 54:02 You know?

Scott Eastwood 54:02 Go, Denise.

Joe Rogan 54:03 "All these people don't like me because of that." And like, ugh, it's just people have found their tribe now, and their tribe may be, maybe it's not good to find other mentally ill people-

Scott Eastwood 54:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:15 ... and, like, get together and decide that you guys are right-

Scott Eastwood 54:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:18 ... and the rest of the world that's objective in reasoning is the, the, they're the ones with the problem.

Scott Eastwood 54:23 Yeah, just compassion, you know? Like, just, "Hey, you know what? That ... Okay, cool. Have your own view, whatever."

Joe Rogan 54:29 We definitely need more of that.

Scott Eastwood 54:30 "Just, it doesn't mean that, it doesn't mean that the other person's wrong too." Both can exist together.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 54:36 It's like, "Hey, you can think that all these people are bigots, and I can think this, and maybe we can find a common ground that, okay, maybe not everyone's a bigot." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:44 Maybe Denise just needs to go to the gym. Denise?

Scott Eastwood 54:47 It's true.

Joe Rogan 54:48 You're gonna be okay.

Scott Eastwood 54:49 We love you, Denise.

Joe Rogan 54:50 Can you just start drinking water? Lay off the Kool-Aid. Let's go. Let's go. Start doing, start walking around the hill. Just do something.

Scott Eastwood 54:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:58 Just, you don't even have to lift weights. You know, you don't have to do anything crazy. Let's start slow. Let's start slow.

Scott Eastwood 55:03 Get you a Peloton.

Joe Rogan 55:03 Change the diet. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 55:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:05 Pelotons are great. You got a video of someone in front of you.

Scott Eastwood 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:09 I was actually doing the, um, the stair mill while I was watching The Wrath of Man.

Scott Eastwood 55:14 You were watching a movie while working out?

Joe Rogan 55:16 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 55:16 So you're a savage.

Joe Rogan 55:16 That's the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it because a movie like that, like a Guy Ritchie movie, it's all fucking crazy action, "Ha." It's, uh, it keeps you going.

Scott Eastwood 55:24 And you went the whole time? You started and did the whole movie?

Joe Rogan 55:27 No, I did not. I did 45 minutes-

Scott Eastwood 55:29 Okay.

Joe Rogan 55:29 ... and then I watched the rest of it in my office with my feet up. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 55:33 Okay. Now, now you sound like a normal person.

Joe Rogan 55:34 Drinking Kill Cliff.

Scott Eastwood 55:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 55:36 Yeah, no, I, I, I watched it in two steps.

Scott Eastwood 55:39 I think that's a, that's a pretty brutal workout if you did two hours.

Joe Rogan 55:41 It's a dope movie, though, because I like what he did with the timelines. He switched the timelines up, and he made it like you have to go, "Oh, oh, I, I got you."

Scott Eastwood 55:50 Well, he's got a way... Guy Ritchie has a way of, um, letting the audience still have to do math in their head after the scene's over.

Joe Rogan 55:59 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 55:59 You know? Like, you're still figuring it out. You're going, "Uh, oh," as the next scene's already happening. So it's playing this catch-up game, which I think is like a... It's a math equation for your mind.

Joe Rogan 56:10 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 56:11 Which is why I think his stuff's so stylized and cool.

Joe Rogan 56:14 Well, I was really impressed with him when I, when I met with him and talked to him. Like, I have him on the podcast. He's a, he's an intense guy. And he's a, you know, he's a legit Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.

Scott Eastwood 56:25 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:26 From-

Scott Eastwood 56:26 I've run with him before.

Joe Rogan 56:27 From Renzo.

Scott Eastwood 56:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:28 You know, that's, that's top of the food chain, man. It's like, if you're a black belt from like Rickson or Renzo or Royler, like one of those black belts, like, that is very impressive.

Scott Eastwood 56:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:41 So he's, um, he's an accomplished man. He's a, he's a pr... Like we were talking about before, like, if Brad Pitt's gonna find a waitress, she's gotta be someone who needs him.

Scott Eastwood 56:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:51 She understands-

Scott Eastwood 56:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:52 She understands adversity. That's more important than anything. Someone who can accomplish ad- uh, things, and someone who can handle adversity. Like that young lady that attacked that bear and pushed that bear off the top of that, that fence, that lady's... That girl, that young girl is different. That-

Scott Eastwood 57:10 She's got a killer instinct.

Joe Rogan 57:11 That's the, the... But those are the people that you want. You want the people that can pick up a car because their kid is trapped underneath it.

Scott Eastwood 57:16 Sure.

Joe Rogan 57:16 You know what I mean?

Scott Eastwood 57:17 Well, there's t- There's people, when you apply pressure to them, they excel.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 57:22 And then there's some people, you apply a pressure and they crack.

Joe Rogan 57:25 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 57:26 And it's just a b- And I don't think you can, like... Maybe you can train that.

Joe Rogan 57:30 You can train it.

Scott Eastwood 57:30 You can train that.

Joe Rogan 57:31 You can definitely train it.

Scott Eastwood 57:32 But I think there is-

Joe Rogan 57:33 You can definitely train it.

Scott Eastwood 57:33 ... that, there is an instinct too.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 57:34 Like some of people can be really good out the gate at it.

Joe Rogan 57:37 I think that's because of their upbringing, though. I think it's 'cause of a lot of thing... I think some of it, uh, man, I'm just guessing, right? But some of it may be genetics or epigenetics, but I think some of it is their upbringing. Like, what have they encountered when they were younger? One of the things that I've found is that men who have older brothers that beat them up-

Scott Eastwood 57:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:56 ... those motherfuckers are not to be messed with, 'cause some of the toughest dudes I've ever met have bigger brothers, 'cause they're just ready to go, 'cause their brother's been fucking with them since they were one years old, and they are ready to go. Like some of the toughest guys in the UFC had tough older brothers.

Scott Eastwood 58:13 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 58:13 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 58:14 I'm, uh... You've seen it way more than anyone else, so I'm sure you're able to correlate the two.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Jim Miller, uh, Chris Weidman. You can go down the list. Like some of the baddest motherfuckers that ever competed in the UFC-

Scott Eastwood 58:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:25 ... have older brothers who are also beasts. And like, uh, like Matt Hughes, one of the greatest of all time, has a fucking twin, and they used to hate each other and beat the shit out of each other. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 58:37 Wow. I didn't know he had a twin.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Can you imagine? Like, another Scott-

Scott Eastwood 58:41 Oof.

Joe Rogan 58:41 ... Eastwood staring at you, ready to fuck you up.

Scott Eastwood 58:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:43 Ready to steal your woman and eat your food.

Scott Eastwood 58:46 Saying you're nothing. You're nothing.

Joe Rogan 58:47 Yeah. "You can't leave a piece of cake in the fridge? Fuck you."

Scott Eastwood 58:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:50 You know? (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 58:52 That would be, that would be, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:54 It makes you a savage, you know? And I think some people it's, you know, it's nurture. Some people it's nature. But the, the people that can handle pressure... It's like some people rise to the occasion. Other people are diminished by the moment. Some, some big moments that cause people to be paralyzed, and s- some, some people just know how to act, you know?

Scott Eastwood 59:18 Do you think that's, do you think that's, though... Maybe, you know, some people were just maybe coddled too much, and then they... When the pressure happens they're like, "I can't, I can't deal."

Joe Rogan 59:30 Yeah, for sure.

Scott Eastwood 59:31 You know?

Joe Rogan 59:31 There's definitely some of that, but you can learn how to deal. It's not im- impossible to learn. You can grow.

Scott Eastwood 59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 You know, J- John Donaher has this concept that anyone can completely reinvent themselves in five years.

Scott Eastwood 59:46 In f- just five years?

Joe Rogan 59:47 Yeah. In five years, you can make massive progress in whatever you're trying to do.

Scott Eastwood 59:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:53 And he uses, uh, martial arts as an example. He uses Mike Tyson as... He's on the Lex Friedman podcast. I was watching a video about this the other day. Um, and he uses Mike Tyson as an example. He uses, uh, some, several other martial artists, some judo players, and some other people as examples. But the idea is that if you fully dedicate yourself to something, that you can with... In five years time, you can make massive improvements. And I think he's right.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:18 That's it. It's like ten- 10,000-hour rule, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:20 So I bet in five years, if you just-

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 It's... I think it's just a, uh, a fully, a fully dedicated person do... Whatever it is, whether it's playing chess or painting or anything.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:31 Just- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 Fully dedicated to something that in, in five years time... And he just uses that as an, uh, a rough timeframe, but it's like, uh, there's... It's an established timeframe. Like many people have done that within five years.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:44 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 And he's... Like, the Mike Tyson thing, like, at 13 years old he was adopted by Cus D'Amato. By 18 he was one of the most feared heavyweights on the planet, and a professional, and smashing people. You know, um, there's, there's a lot of other examples of that, though.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:57 No, I think, uh, I think you're right. I mean, I think he's right. Uh, I think when... I always hear people say, like, sometimes they want things or, you know... And I'm like, "Well, do you really want it?" 'Cause most people when they want something-... they just go do it. When they, when you really want something.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:01:13 When you really want something, you're, you're just doing it. And if you talk about it and you talk about, "Oh, here's what I want, here's what I want," it's, like, likelihood, you might not have actually wanted it. You just th- you know, you're just, you're saying that, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Well, maybe you want it, but you just don't, you don't y- know exactly how to go out and do it.

Scott Eastwood 1:01:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Like-

Scott Eastwood 1:01:33 I'd agree with that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 ... like, some ... There's people that have exper- like, say if you're, like, a person who's, like, an elite track and field athlete, which is a very difficult pursuit, right? It's y- it, it requires, like, running, and you gotta, the, uh, the, in, the m- the discipline involved, and, you know, you're, you're competing against people that everyone knows how to run, okay? It's just like left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot. So d- for you to be the elite at that requires a special kind of willpower. Like, for you to be elite at things that other people can do too, that's a special kind of person.

Scott Eastwood 1:02:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 You know what I mean?

Scott Eastwood 1:02:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Like, there's genetic advantages. There's certain ... Like, m- I'm not fast, man. I've never been a fast runner. I'm, I got short legs, you know?

Scott Eastwood 1:02:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 I weigh too much for my height. I'm not goin' quick.

Scott Eastwood 1:02:18 208. Gotta get you to 195.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Some, some ... (laughs) Some people, some people can run, man. They can fucking run. And I've, uh, I've, uh, experienced this when I was young. I re- I remember, like, running against other people that were, like, really good runners. I'm like, "Damn, that motherfucker's, like, way faster than me and he doesn't even run." It's just, there's advantages that some people have genetically. But then, there's, there's people that are in that same r- like, that have genetic advantages, but also have extreme discipline and willpower, and every day, they wake up thinking, "I am going to be faster today. I am gonna run harder today. I'm gonna push myself more. I'm gonna stretch more. I'm gonna recover better. I'm gonna do, uh, more ice baths. I'm gonna do more massage, and I'm gonna get a, whatever it is, a 10th of a second quicker, you know, a, a second quicker, two seconds quicker. I'm gonna beat them all." And th- that kinda person's a, the- they can accomplish anything. If they go from that to something else-

Scott Eastwood 1:03:13 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 ... the kind of willpower that you have to have here-

Scott Eastwood 1:03:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 ... as long as you could shift mindsets-

Scott Eastwood 1:03:17 No, when you see, like, guys, like, even, like ... You ever met Kelly Slater?

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yeah, I love Kelly.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:22 He's, like, he's good at anything he does.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:25 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 He's good at being handsome too.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:27 (laughs) Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 Somebody, somebody ... (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 1:03:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Somebody had made a photo of the two of us together, and it's, like, Joe Rogan next to a much prettier Joe Rogan. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 1:03:39 Yeah. (laughs) No, but he's, he's good at anything he puts his mind to-

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:41 ... because he's so disciplined. Whatever that 10th of a second is, or whatever that thing is, he just does and does and does, and then it transfers to anything, whether it's golf or, you know, uh, bowling, i- beaching anything.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Yeah, yeah. To be that good at riding waves, to be that good at being able to anticipate which way the waves are going and balance yourself perfectly. You know, Shane Dorian's a good friend of mine as well, and he's another one. He's just a savage, just-

Scott Eastwood 1:04:08 Savage.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 ... m- giant wave-ridin', fuckin'-

Scott Eastwood 1:04:12 Beast.

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 ... barbarian, you know?

Scott Eastwood 1:04:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 I mean, to be a person like that, it's a, that's ... That guy could do anything, you know? He c- and he's a huge bow hunter, you know? Uh, that's, uh, i- he, what, what ... W- when you can do that, when you can ride giant waves, you could basically do anything. Because when those giant waves, when those fucking 100-foot-tall waves, when you're inside of those things in a tube-

Scott Eastwood 1:04:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 ... if you-

Scott Eastwood 1:04:36 I love, I love hearing you explain, like, "In the tube-"

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 When you-

Scott Eastwood 1:04:39 ... "Like, in a 100-foot wave." (laughs) There's something about it so funny about-

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 It's-

Scott Eastwood 1:04:42 ... you just, "You're in that tube."

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 It's insanity.

Scott Eastwood 1:04:44 (laughs) It is.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 You watch those videos. Like, if you fuck up, you're dead.

Scott Eastwood 1:04:48 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 You're dead.

Scott Eastwood 1:04:49 No, there's, there's a huge quantum jump from surfing whatever size waves, mediocre-size waves, to even big w- like, I'd call big waves, like, 20 feet. These guys are surfing ... the 20 foot is nothing to them.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 What's the biggest wave anyone's ever surfed?

Scott Eastwood 1:05:10 It's, it's hard to quantify, I think. I think it's, like, a-

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 I'm saying 100 feet, but I'm just talking out of my ass. I have no idea.

Scott Eastwood 1:05:16 Probably. I would, I, I would say you're probably right. I mean, it depends on how you judge the wave, but-

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 Let's guess, let's guess.

Scott Eastwood 1:05:22 Uh, I would say that there's probably been a 100-foot face, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 All right. The highest wave anyone has ever surfed.

Jamie Vernon 1:05:28 The, the, for whatever reason, the w- it says the world record is 75 feet, or something like that, but then right below it, it says there's a 100, someone that's sur- surfed a 101.4-foot wave.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Yeah, but it's-

Scott Eastwood 1:05:41 Yeah, but it's, like, pretty hard to measure it, right?

Jamie Vernon 1:05:42 ... you gotta-

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 You gotta measure that in bitch feet, so like-

Scott Eastwood 1:05:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 ... someone like me looking at a, a 75-foot wave is, like, 700 feet high. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 1:05:50 Oh, yeah. I mean, you be in-

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 Is there a video of that?

Scott Eastwood 1:05:53 The thing is, you'd be in full panic.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 Oh, my God. Look at this.

Scott Eastwood 1:05:54 Full panic.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Oh, my God. Ah. I'm so scared.

Jamie Vernon 1:05:58 It's gonna keep getting bigger, I think, here.

Scott Eastwood 1:05:59 He's not even at the bottom of it yet. Look at that. He's not even-

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 Oh, my God.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:01 Not even close to the bottom.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 Y- What language is that, uh, video in?

Jamie Vernon 1:06:05 Mm ...

Scott Eastwood 1:06:06 That's in, um, that's Nazare, that's, uh, in Portugal.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 Oh.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:10 Portugal, so it's-

Scott Eastwood 1:06:10 That's that big wave. Um, I've been there, actually. I've never surfed it, but-

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 (gasps) Oh, my God, look at it crashing down. Oh, Jesus. (laughs)

Scott Eastwood 1:06:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 That is a crazy wave, man.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:22 And he got out pretty unscathed on that one.

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:26 Jet ski ready to pick him up. It's not, (explosion sound effect) that's not always like that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 I- yeah, if he makes it.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 If it doesn't smash him on the top of the fucking head and drag him into the reef.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:37 That place is dangerous.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 It's gotta be.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 You've y- you surfed that?

Scott Eastwood 1:06:41 I haven't surfed that. I've been there.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 What's the craziest place you've surfed?

Scott Eastwood 1:06:44 (inhales deeply) Ooh, the craziest place I've surfed is probably South Africa.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 Ooh, great whites, right?

Scott Eastwood 1:06:55 Yeah. Great whites, big surf, scary, freezing cold.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Freezing cold?

Scott Eastwood 1:07:01 Freezing cold.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 Really?

Scott Eastwood 1:07:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:02 But hot outside?

Scott Eastwood 1:07:04 Warm outside, not hot, but i-

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 Really? South Africa's not hot?

Scott Eastwood 1:07:07 (clears throat) No, not really. I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 Really?

Scott Eastwood 1:07:09 ... it's nice. It's like California.

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 Oh.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:11 It's like Mediterranean.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 So it's California water temperatures-

Scott Eastwood 1:07:14 Colder.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 Or colder? I don't know.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:16 Colder. I mean, there's places that, that get less cold as you go up-... the East Cape.

Joe Rogan 1:07:21 That makes sense that there's more great whites there, 'cause great whites like the cold water, right?

Scott Eastwood 1:07:26 They seem to but, you know, there's been great whites spotted off and tagged that have gone down to Hawaii.

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 (gasps) .

Scott Eastwood 1:07:33 So, they, they travel the globe. It's ... There's no real ... We're still learning about them. They're dinosaurs.

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 (gasps) Look at this, "The biggest wave ever recorded measured 1,720 feet." (gasps)

Scott Eastwood 1:07:46 I don't think that's real.

Joe Rogan 1:07:47 (gasps)

Jamie Vernon 1:07:47 It says it was in Alaska, and, uh, not- no one's surfed it.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:51 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:07:51 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 You don't think it's real? It's on surf- surfertoday.com?

Scott Eastwood 1:07:53 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 1:07:53 An earthquake triggered it.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:55 The internet. Totally true.

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 Oh, an earthquake triggered it?

Jamie Vernon 1:07:59 It's more pictures now

Narrator 1:07:59 Okay, maybe. I don't know what happened.

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 Oh, okay. An earthquake triggered it?

Scott Eastwood 1:07:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 1958, Lituya ... Is that how you say that? Lituya Bay, southeast of Alaska.

Scott Eastwood 1:08:07 I mean, it's crazy when you see some of these videos of the tsunamis coming in.

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 Oh.

Scott Eastwood 1:08:11 Have you seen those?

Joe Rogan 1:08:12 I have.

Scott Eastwood 1:08:13 It's ... It ... That is the most terrifying thing.

Narrator 1:08:15 Oh, yeah, I've seen it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Yeah. Oh, I couldn't imagine.

Jamie Vernon 1:08:16 Maybe the wave ... Maybe that's how long it was, not how tall it was.

Joe Rogan 1:08:20 When I lived in California, um, we were getting our kitchen redone. Our kitchen was all fucked up and we, um, we decided to rent a house. Um, so we said, "Well, while our kitchen's getting all fucked up, we can't really cook at our house. Let's rent a house." So, I wa- I always had this idea that it'd be cool to, like, live on the ocean, in Malibu. So, I'm like, "Let's rent a house on Malibu." And it's real expensive, and it was real weird. Um, but we got this house, and the way it was set up, it's like it had poles into the ground, and the water would literally come under the house. In the daytime, it's dope as fuck-

Scott Eastwood 1:08:55 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 ... 'cause you're looking out there and it's blue water, you're eating your breakfast. You're like, "Wow, I feel so fortunate that I could live like this." Even for as sh- uh, y- ... like three months-

Scott Eastwood 1:09:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 ... I was like, "This is cool." But at nighttime, it's terrifying. When you look out there at nighttime, the ocean lets you know what it really is.

Scott Eastwood 1:09:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:13 In the daytime, the ocean's like, "Look at all the birds. Oh, did you see that dolphin?"

Scott Eastwood 1:09:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 "Cra- did we see a dol- ... Oh, my God, I see a dolphin. So cute." But at nighttime, you go, "Oh, my God. That's an unstoppable force of water-

Scott Eastwood 1:09:30 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 "... and nature-

Scott Eastwood 1:09:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 "... that's impossible to imagine." The da- ... There's something about the darkness. When it's dark at night and you see the stars and you look out and you see all the water and you realize what it really is. Plus, nighttime's when I get high as fuck, right? So, I'm sitting there, looking out the window, high as fuck-

Scott Eastwood 1:09:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 ... and the water's right there, I'm like-

Scott Eastwood 1:09:49 Just freaking out?

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 Oh, my God, I was so-

Scott Eastwood 1:09:50 You're freaking out, man.

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 I was so freaking out. I was freaking out.

Scott Eastwood 1:09:53 I thought you were gonna go say that it was weird because of, like, all the weirdos in Malibu or something.

Joe Rogan 1:09:59 Well, it was a little bit of that, too.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 But I like weirdos. Uh, I don't ... I'm not scared of weirdos. I think they're an i- an integral part of our society.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:07 Yeah, at least it's not boring, right?

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 Yeah. We need 'em. We need weirdos. You can't get by with no weirdos, you know?

Scott Eastwood 1:10:12 What's the weirdest experience you've had with a crazy fan? How about that?

Joe Rogan 1:10:17 Uh, I don't know if I should talk about it on the air, 'cause I don't wanna encourage more-

Scott Eastwood 1:10:23 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:10:23 ... similar type of situations.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:25 Behavior, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 But let me just say this, that be- ... From the Spotify thing, things have ramped up considerably. Not just ramp- ... And ramped up in, like, when you're talking about, like, the scrutinty- scrutiny-

Scott Eastwood 1:10:38 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:10:38 ... that I experience and the, the criticism that I experience. Uh, but also, the- the just- the amount of people that think they have to talk to me. That they- that- that's important, th- that they have to talk to me.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:50 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 You know?

Scott Eastwood 1:10:52 Yeah, that's weird. I mean, it's weird. It ... I'll- I'll be honest. Even today, I had someone text me randomly. They wanted me to get you something, 'cause they'd heard that ... By the way, I didn't even tell them I was coming on this. I had told my- one of my close friends. He must've said something to one of his friends, and they said something to another friend. And he texts me out of the blue, I didn't have this guy's number, and he said, "Hey, can you get, uh, Joe Rogan something for me?" I was like, "What?" I was like, "Who is this?" (laughs) And that's how weird it ... And I've dealt with it my whole life because of my father.

Joe Rogan 1:11:26 Right.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:27 Where people think that I am a conduit. Even before I was doing my own movies and things, I was a conduit to him in that they could just come to me with these odd requests-

Joe Rogan 1:11:38 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:38 ... and that my dad would be, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:11:40 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:40 ... like, somehow open to them.

Joe Rogan 1:11:42 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:42 So, it's like I w- ... I- I get, I understand it, and I have to field it, you know? It ... All ... Every week, there's emails and crap and stuff, and now I just, I just put on horse blinders.

Joe Rogan 1:11:55 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:55 But it's, uh ... It's a weird place 'cause it's like you said, it's like you're not doing anything different. You're not ... You're living the same life you were living, but there's people coming out of these weird places trying to come at, like, angles at you.

Joe Rogan 1:12:11 Well, this, this, uh,