Joe Rogan Experience #1666 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum music plays) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. DTDuncan Trussell0:00

      (drum music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Welcome to episode 1,666. (echoes) Oh ...

   4. NANarrator0:22

      (chanting)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      (echoes) Oh ...

   6. NANarrator0:29

      (chanting)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      (echoes) Oh ...

   8. NANarrator0:40

      (chanting)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:48

      There can be only one (laughs) why? (laughs) ? I don't know, it's the rules. Them's the rules. (laughs)

   10. DTDuncan Trussell0:54

       That's a terrible rule. (laughs) That's like the worst rule.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       But for, for episode 1,666-

   12. DTDuncan Trussell1:00

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... there was only one option. That was you.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell1:03

       Oh, thank you. I'm honored by that. Thank you so much, Joe. It's so nice to be here.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Dude, it's so nice to see you.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell1:09

       Oh, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       It's ... You're such a good friend that every time I see you, I'm transported, like there's no time lost.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell1:16

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       You know what I'm saying?

   20. DTDuncan Trussell1:17

       Yep.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       When you've ... So tight with someone that when you see them again, you're like transported.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:23

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Like you're immediately back to where I last saw you again.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:26

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       There's no like, "Hey. God. Haven't seen you in a while."

   26. DTDuncan Trussell1:30

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       "How are you?"

   28. DTDuncan Trussell1:31

       "What's going on?"

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       It's like ah!

   30. DTDuncan Trussell1:33

       Yeah. Yeah. That's real friendship. I mean, that's it. If it's not that, what is it?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Facebook page-... Not the Russians. This one agency, I should say.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell15:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Internet Research Agency. They were making these memes, and she's like, "Hundreds of thousands of memes," and a lot of them are really funny.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell15:09

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      She's like, "I was really laughing while I was doing this." And she said she got to study how they created these pages, and that's where it was really interesting. Like, they would create these pages and they would use them for a while, so, like, maybe a Simpsons fan page or something like that, and they would get a certain amount of following. And then they would switch it over to Occupy Wall Street, or they would switch it over to Black Lives Matter-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell15:30

      Ah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      ... or they'd switch, switch it over to LBGTQ page. And they would just get a bunch of followers, and then just use those followers. Use a ton of hashtags and connect people through hashtags, and, and they would just try to figure out what sticks.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell15:43

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:43

      And they would have meme pages, and they, they would organize arguments. So, like, they organized a Texes- Texas separatist meeting across the street-

   10. DTDuncan Trussell15:53

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       ... from an Islamic, uh, some Islamic pride, uh, rally.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell15:57

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       So they got the two of them on catty-corner of streets, so they're yelling at each other. Like, they're like... D- you ever see that video of the, the cat and, uh, he's on a roof and, uh, a crow gets behind him and starts fucking with him?

   14. DTDuncan Trussell16:08

       (laughs) No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       And then he gets the cat to fight with another cat?

   16. DTDuncan Trussell16:12

       Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, yes-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       You ever see that video?

   18. DTDuncan Trussell16:13

       ... I've seen it. It's amazing. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       It's an amazing video.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell16:16

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       This crow is so slick.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell16:18

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       He, like, fucks with the cat, like, "Hey, man. Hey."

   24. DTDuncan Trussell16:20

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       "The fuck's going on with you, bro?"

   26. DTDuncan Trussell16:22

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       The cat's like, "Grr." And then there's another cat that's on another, uh, another rooftop just, like, five feet away. And that cat, he looks at that cat. He's like, "Man, fuck you." And then wa-... "Why you, why you staring at me, man," while this crow's fucking with me.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell16:34

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       And the crow goes and fucks with him.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell16:36

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      at parasites and how the fuck a parasite figured out a rewire, like, "Hey, uh, when the rats eat us, we can't, we don't fucking breed, okay? 'Cause we can't, we can't reproduce inside the rat's gut. We need to get in that fucking cat."

   2. DTDuncan Trussell30:15

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      "How do we do this?" So they figured out how to get in the cat, like, and the way to get in the cat is to trick the rat and then it gets to people, 'cause people love cats, right?

   4. DTDuncan Trussell30:24

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      So they tell pregnant women, "Never touch kitty litter."

   6. DTDuncan Trussell30:26

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      "Get..." 'Cause that stuff can get in you and if it gets in you, it fucks with the child's development.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell30:31

      Yep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:31

      It's, uh, related to, uh, decrease in IQ, uh, increase in, um, uh, impulsive behavior.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell30:40

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Increase in... Sapolsky was saying that there was an... I don't know about the IQ thing. Google that, find out if that's, this... I might be wrong about that. If toxoplasmosis in children leads to a decrease in IQ, that's some... The decrease in IQ thing is, like, what the fuck causes IQ, right? You know, like, what are all the little pieces that are moving in place there?

   12. DTDuncan Trussell30:59

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       But anyway,Sopalsky said that, um, motorcycle victims, when he was doing his residency, they would come in and there was a disproportionate amount of motorcycle resident, uh, mo- uh, motorcycle accidents, rather, that have toxoplasmosis in their system-

   14. DTDuncan Trussell31:13

       Whoa.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       ... when they would test them. So his, the doctor that he was working with when he was doing his residency told him, "Let's test him for toxo." And he's like, "Is, there's a disproportionate number because it makes them reckless. It makes people reckless."

   16. DTDuncan Trussell31:25

       Fuck.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Also-

   18. DTDuncan Trussell31:26

       That's so weird.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       ... here's... Another thing that's wild, a disprop- like, when you look at toxoplasmosis infections, there's some sort of a connection to successful soccer teams.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell31:36

       What?

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       Yeah, (laughs) countries with successful soccer teams generally have a higher rate of toxo.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell31:43

       Whoa.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       But that doesn't necessarily mean it's the toxo that's causing them to be successful. It could just be coincidental because those are the countries that, like, are really obsessed with soccer because it doesn't require much money to enter. Like, poor people can play it. You just need, like, a ball, tape, and you kick that around.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell31:59

       Huh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:59

       Right? So, like, the idea is, like, there's a lot of games that come out of soccer r- that aren't soccer. They, they, they start playing it and get really good at it.

   26. NANarrator32:08

       I think the IQ thing is something similar.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:10

       Oh, it is? True.

   28. NANarrator32:10

       It's just something that's overrepresented among people with only elementary education.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:15

       Right.

   30. NANarrator32:15

       So it's just about who they, who they looked at for this study.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   In any way. …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell45:00

      And, and, and the... And all the stuff that's causing all this fucking turmoil in society is related to humans coming to this weird point of freedom where we might not have to be what we were born as in any way.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      In any way.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell45:17

      In any way. And for... And that, for whatever reason, is very upsetting to some people. Some people don't like it. They're like, "You got to be what you were born as." All things, all things. You know, if, if, if it's... Tomorrow, a technology emerges where you could change your ethnicity. Think of the, the... Think of the, uh...

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:37

      Some people would be mad at you for doing that.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell45:38

      The cultu-... Yeah. Well, yeah, it would be a huge controversy, man. And similarly with gender, but not with... just with gender. Imagine if tomorrow, you know, anyone who wants to could turn into the most in-shape person ever. So now, you know, now when you see someone who's in shape, you're like, "Wow, they've got a lot of discipline." But that all goes away. There's no more... You know what I mean? There's no currency anymore. And, like, "Oh, wow, you're a master pianist? Oh, that's amazing. So what, what app did you use?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:07

      Right. "You learned it right. You learned it easy."

   7. DTDuncan Trussell46:09

      "You know, oh, you're such a-"

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:10

      Instantaneously.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell46:11

      "You've become so..."

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       Cheers, my brothers.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell46:14

       "You become so much funnier ever since you did that upgrade."

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Right.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell46:18

       You know what I mean? "I..." You know? "I, I-"

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       But isn't this ego? Right? Like, isn't this what we're thinking about? Just ego that, like, people have gone through this intense, laborious process to become the greatest tennis player of all time, but if you could just get there through technology, isn't it... It's... I mean, I get that there's like, all these signals of discipline and-

   15. DTDuncan Trussell46:38

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       ... all these signals of being something special, but it seems like that's just because it's hard to do, right? It's... There's a thing that's going on here-

   17. DTDuncan Trussell46:48

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:48

       ... where it's like, we're praising things that are hard to do because it's an ethic, right? It's, like, burned into our system, and we think it's definitely positive. The things that are hard to do make you a better person. But we're basing that on the idea that that's the only way to make you a better person. Like, that just taking-

   19. DTDuncan Trussell47:04

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       ... these downloads and all of a sudden learning how to play concert piano or learning how to do kung fu or learning how to do calculus, like, instantaneously adds to your database. Maybe you just become the same version or, or even maybe a better version of a better person, because you're not constantly bitter about struggle. Because one of the things that sucks about really famous people or, uh, really successful people or really exceptionally accomplished people is they want you to know, right? When they kno-... Want you to know, and I think we've all been guilty of it, and I don't... I know I've been guilty of it for sure, you know, where I was like, uh, like, happy about certain success and I bragged about it. And, and, you know, in retrospress-... re- retrospect rather, it's probably gross, but in the moment, I was being celebratory.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell47:48

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:49

       But that is the thing where when people are trying to do something and it's difficult to do, when someone does something like that, we admire them because they made it through. But ultimately, the benefit is supposed to be that it makes them somehow or another a better version of what they were.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell48:04

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan48:04

       With everything they do, whether they climb Mount Everest or write a novel-

   25. DTDuncan Trussell48:07

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:08

       ... hard things make you a more interesting person.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell48:10

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:10

       Everybody that I know has gone through some interesting shit. And it's one of the things that I love most about comics, because I know the emotional roller coaster ride that it takes to become a competent comedian-

   29. DTDuncan Trussell48:20

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:20

       ... where you're a working professional. It's fucking crazy.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Right. …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:00

      that is easier to study than whatever it came from. Gain-of-function, make it so that it infects mice, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      Right.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:05

      Now you can put it in mice and start studying the way it works in living organisms, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? So that's gain-of-function research, right? So like virologists... So now there's like the, a moratorium on it, at least I hope there is. It's very strict. But virologists are kind of like, "Look, uh, we have to do gain of function if we're gonna study the shit that's coming," because we want to try to at least begin the process of making a vaccine, understanding how it's gonna affect civilization so that if it does come, if the demon comes out of hell, we know the spells to cast. That's r- the reason we got the COVID vaccines. Everyone's like, "They, they started working on it six months ago." It's like, no, they didn't. They've been working on versions of it for a while because of this very thing. But anyway, the problem is, the problem with gain of function, the double-edged sword is, you're making the thing. It's like instead of waiting for the demon to explode from hell, you summon it in a sealed chamber of Lornax. It's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

      Like where they put the Hulk in that clear box?

   5. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:08

      Yes, exactly.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

      Pull that video up. Pull that, uh, excuse me, that, uh, text up, brother, 'cause this text is insane about mouse pox. I'm gonna read this to you folks 'cause it's such a fucking... Listen to this. "A virus that kills every one of its victims by wiping out part of their immune system has been accidentally created by an Australian research team."

   7. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:27

      Yep.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

      Just imagine that. A virus that kills every one of its victims was accidenta- "Whoops, we were trying to make syrup."

   9. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:36

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       "And we wanted to put it on our pancakes, but we accidentally made a virus who kills everybody."

   11. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:41

       Uh-uh. Everything-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       What does that mean? Wait a minute, it's not an accident if that's what you're working on.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:45

       Well no-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

       Is that what they're working on?

   15. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:46

       But that, the reason they're working on it is because-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       Right.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:49

       ... you would rather understand it in a laboratory than all of a sudden mouse pox naturally mutates...And suddenly, shi- shit tons of people are just dying and we have no idea how to deal with it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       Oh, yeah.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:04

       So, the-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

       For sure, but-

   21. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:04

       ... that's the argument for gain-of-function research-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:07

       Oh, I get it.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:07

       ... oh, okay, okay. Oh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       No, no, no, I get the argument for it. It's, I mean, it's really interesting, right? It's like, how do you understand how a virus mutates other than making it mutate yourself and you do it in this, like, really safe, contained environment. That place was-

   25. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:20

       But life finds a way, doesn't it?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

       Well, that place wasn't safe. That place had been cited for safety violations and-

   27. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:26

       What?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:26

       ... 2018.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:27

       I didn't know that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:28

       Find that please. This mousepox is scaring the shit out of me, Australia. What are you doing, Australia?
6. 1:15:00 – 1:15:46

   Yeah. …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:00

      from, from my perspective, that it's just good karma-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:03

      Yeah.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:03

      ... to, to, f- we call it whatever you want to call it. But to be sort of, I think anything that you're drawn to like that, whether it's like, you know, religious imagery or whether it's a style of literature or whatever, you're supposed to... That's, that's like the X marks the spot. Like, you're supposed to go deep into it to understand because, you know, those images, there, there's so, there's so much associated with those images. They're fractals.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:30

      Right.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:30

      And s- and the fractal contains within it all the Scriptures. And so, you know, the Scriptures, when you convert them into imagery, they turn into a Ganesh or a Buddha. But... 'Cause it's all the same. It's like the way if you make ice hot it turns into water, or-

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